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Re: Berg vs. thal #dna

sbloom@...
 

"Berg" means hill and "tal" means valley. Though these have an obvious
connection, I wouldn't presume that Rosenbergs are related to
Rosent(h)als, for instance. In this case, Rosen- type names happen to
have many such suffixes and some are very common Jewish surnames. I am
sure there are many others besides Rosen- and that similar conclusions
would apply.

This does not mean that there is no potential for them to be related,
but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.

The root meanings here are Germanic, and in most cases, probably made
it to Jews via Yiddish. I don't think that such names usually relate
to occupation or specific location. I think they are just meant to be
nice sounding names.

Steve Bloom
Virginia, USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Berg vs. thal #dna

sbloom@...
 

"Berg" means hill and "tal" means valley. Though these have an obvious
connection, I wouldn't presume that Rosenbergs are related to
Rosent(h)als, for instance. In this case, Rosen- type names happen to
have many such suffixes and some are very common Jewish surnames. I am
sure there are many others besides Rosen- and that similar conclusions
would apply.

This does not mean that there is no potential for them to be related,
but I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.

The root meanings here are Germanic, and in most cases, probably made
it to Jews via Yiddish. I don't think that such names usually relate
to occupation or specific location. I think they are just meant to be
nice sounding names.

Steve Bloom
Virginia, USA


Re: "berg" vs "thal" #dna

cnydorf@...
 

I have noticed that people with partly similar names can be DNA
cousins. I have Altkrug and Erenkrug relatives >from the Suwalki area.
Maybe related people chose names that were partly similar. In Yiddish
'barg un tal' is used to describe a rugged landscape. Names with Rose
were frequently used by people descended >from someone named Reyzl
which means little rose.

Charles Nydorf


DNA Research #DNA Re: "berg" vs "thal" #dna

cnydorf@...
 

I have noticed that people with partly similar names can be DNA
cousins. I have Altkrug and Erenkrug relatives >from the Suwalki area.
Maybe related people chose names that were partly similar. In Yiddish
'barg un tal' is used to describe a rugged landscape. Names with Rose
were frequently used by people descended >from someone named Reyzl
which means little rose.

Charles Nydorf


"berg" vs "thal" #dna

S Vanning <svanning@...>
 

Your query has relevance to the difference of opinion over the origin of
such names, whether they are completely artificial, chosen by government
officials purely to distiguish one Jewish family >from another, or based on
the name of the family matriarch, embellished with a meaningless suffix. The
former opinion seems more likely but according to the latter Rosenthal or
Rosenberg would indicate an ancestress Rosa, Goldberg a Golda, Grynberg, a
Gryna (there was such a name). However it is highly unlikely that all
Rosenthals/ bergs with DNA matches etc. go back to the same Rosa, who would
have lived in the 18th century since Jews adopted such names only >from the
late 18th century. It might be worth checking the Y-DNA of any male matches
on Gedmatch or FTDNA to check if there is any match in the direct male line.

Stewart Vanning,
Jerusalem

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I've noticed that I have DNA connection to a number of people whose
surnames begin with the same root but end in either "berg" or "thal".
For example Rosenberg vs Rosenthal. Many of these people with the
mismatched suffixes also seem to have DNA connections to each other
according to Gedmatch. Might berg and thal be different translations
of the same original Hebrew or Russian suffixes? What is their
derivation? Do they relate to status or occupation for instance?

June Genis


DNA Research #DNA "berg" vs "thal" #dna

S Vanning <svanning@...>
 

Your query has relevance to the difference of opinion over the origin of
such names, whether they are completely artificial, chosen by government
officials purely to distiguish one Jewish family >from another, or based on
the name of the family matriarch, embellished with a meaningless suffix. The
former opinion seems more likely but according to the latter Rosenthal or
Rosenberg would indicate an ancestress Rosa, Goldberg a Golda, Grynberg, a
Gryna (there was such a name). However it is highly unlikely that all
Rosenthals/ bergs with DNA matches etc. go back to the same Rosa, who would
have lived in the 18th century since Jews adopted such names only >from the
late 18th century. It might be worth checking the Y-DNA of any male matches
on Gedmatch or FTDNA to check if there is any match in the direct male line.

Stewart Vanning,
Jerusalem

---
I've noticed that I have DNA connection to a number of people whose
surnames begin with the same root but end in either "berg" or "thal".
For example Rosenberg vs Rosenthal. Many of these people with the
mismatched suffixes also seem to have DNA connections to each other
according to Gedmatch. Might berg and thal be different translations
of the same original Hebrew or Russian suffixes? What is their
derivation? Do they relate to status or occupation for instance?

June Genis


ViewMate translation request - Russian vital record #general

Joe Lewis
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52478

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is supposed to be a vital record (birth) of a girl, Miram VOLINSKY, in
Zolotonosha, Russia, sometime between 1885 and 1890. I am trying to find out
the birth date, and all other information listed on the record. Unfortunately,
the titles of the columns were not included in the image.

The parents of the girl should be Gidaliah and Sara-Bella VOLINSKY.

Thank you very much,
Joe Lewis
Los Angeles, CA

Searching: LEWINSKY (Ekaterinoslav),
KRICHEVSKY, VOLINSKY, WOLINSKY, (Zolotonosha),
SCHARNOFSKY, RUBCHINSKY (Belilovka)
GOFFMAN, BRAVERMAN (Korosten)


ViewMate translation request - Russian vital record #ukraine

Joe Lewis
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52478
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is supposed to be a vital record (birth) of a girl, Miram
VOLINSKY, in Zolotonosha, Russia, sometime between 1885 and 1890. I am
trying to find out the birth date, and all other information listed on
the record. Unfortunately, the titles of the columns were not
included in the image.

The parents of the girl should be Gidaliah and Sara-Bella VOLINSKY.

Thank you very much,
Joe Lewis
Los Angeles, CA

Searching: LEWINSKY (Ekaterinoslav),
KRICHEVSKY, VOLINSKY, WOLINSKY, (Zolotonosha),
SCHARNOFSKY, RUBCHINSKY (Belilovka)
GOFFMAN, BRAVERMAN (Korosten)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation request - Russian vital record #general

Joe Lewis
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52478

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is supposed to be a vital record (birth) of a girl, Miram VOLINSKY, in
Zolotonosha, Russia, sometime between 1885 and 1890. I am trying to find out
the birth date, and all other information listed on the record. Unfortunately,
the titles of the columns were not included in the image.

The parents of the girl should be Gidaliah and Sara-Bella VOLINSKY.

Thank you very much,
Joe Lewis
Los Angeles, CA

Searching: LEWINSKY (Ekaterinoslav),
KRICHEVSKY, VOLINSKY, WOLINSKY, (Zolotonosha),
SCHARNOFSKY, RUBCHINSKY (Belilovka)
GOFFMAN, BRAVERMAN (Korosten)


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine ViewMate translation request - Russian vital record #ukraine

Joe Lewis
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM52478
Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

This is supposed to be a vital record (birth) of a girl, Miram
VOLINSKY, in Zolotonosha, Russia, sometime between 1885 and 1890. I am
trying to find out the birth date, and all other information listed on
the record. Unfortunately, the titles of the columns were not
included in the image.

The parents of the girl should be Gidaliah and Sara-Bella VOLINSKY.

Thank you very much,
Joe Lewis
Los Angeles, CA

Searching: LEWINSKY (Ekaterinoslav),
KRICHEVSKY, VOLINSKY, WOLINSKY, (Zolotonosha),
SCHARNOFSKY, RUBCHINSKY (Belilovka)
GOFFMAN, BRAVERMAN (Korosten)


Help with LICHTENSZTEJN vs DJAMENT and GOLDENZON pictures #general

charles goldenzon
 

Dear JGeners,
I put two pictures related to the above mentioned families - posts 52445 and
52476. In the GOLDENZON picture, taken in Chelm, I seek the names of some
unknown people. On the LICHTENSZTEJN x DJAMENT picture, I seek any relative
that can identify the kids in the picture and connect both families.

regards,

Charles Goldenzon
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: The URLs for the images are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=52445
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=52476

Please note that when sending messages about ViewMate requests, one should
include the URLs for the images in one's message. Also please write messages
in sentence case with proper capitalization (upper case letters, where
appropriate).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help with LICHTENSZTEJN vs DJAMENT and GOLDENZON pictures #general

charles goldenzon
 

Dear JGeners,
I put two pictures related to the above mentioned families - posts 52445 and
52476. In the GOLDENZON picture, taken in Chelm, I seek the names of some
unknown people. On the LICHTENSZTEJN x DJAMENT picture, I seek any relative
that can identify the kids in the picture and connect both families.

regards,

Charles Goldenzon
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: The URLs for the images are:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=52445
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=52476

Please note that when sending messages about ViewMate requests, one should
include the URLs for the images in one's message. Also please write messages
in sentence case with proper capitalization (upper case letters, where
appropriate).


NYC Birth Records #general

Mara Fein, PhD, CG <mfein@...>
 

The Reclaim the Records website is claiming that the 1910-1915 NYC birth
certificates are available for individual ordering through the Department
of Health.

Has anyone had success ordering birth certificates for these years?

Mara Fein, PhD, CG®
mfein@...

Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board
for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its
program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by
the Board's associates.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Birth Records #general

Mara Fein, PhD, CG <mfein@...>
 

The Reclaim the Records website is claiming that the 1910-1915 NYC birth
certificates are available for individual ordering through the Department
of Health.

Has anyone had success ordering birth certificates for these years?

Mara Fein, PhD, CG®
mfein@...

Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board
for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its
program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by
the Board's associates.


Alice GINSBERG #unitedkingdom

annewebber.uk@...
 

Can anyone help with information about Alice GINSBERG?

Alice GINSBERG was the daughter of Ludwig GINSBERG, a Berlin banker who died on
30 March 1939 in Berlin.

Ludwig GINSBERG had two daughters: Alice and Lotte. Lotte was born in Berlin
On 9 January 1920 and was deported to Riga on 19 October 1942. She perished there
on 22 October 1942.

According to German records, in 1952 Alice was living in Israel.

Documents in the London Metropolitan Archives however show that between 1949 and
1958 Alice lived at 9 Basil Street, Knightsbridge, and was working as a commercial
Artist. No information has been found on her after this date.

Does anyone know Alice or know of her? Does anyone know anything of her life?

Can anyone suggest how to find out further information about her? Also whether she is still living? If not, where she might be buried?

Any suggestions or help will be very gratefully received.

Anne Webber
London


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Alice GINSBERG #unitedkingdom

annewebber.uk@...
 

Can anyone help with information about Alice GINSBERG?

Alice GINSBERG was the daughter of Ludwig GINSBERG, a Berlin banker who died on
30 March 1939 in Berlin.

Ludwig GINSBERG had two daughters: Alice and Lotte. Lotte was born in Berlin
On 9 January 1920 and was deported to Riga on 19 October 1942. She perished there
on 22 October 1942.

According to German records, in 1952 Alice was living in Israel.

Documents in the London Metropolitan Archives however show that between 1949 and
1958 Alice lived at 9 Basil Street, Knightsbridge, and was working as a commercial
Artist. No information has been found on her after this date.

Does anyone know Alice or know of her? Does anyone know anything of her life?

Can anyone suggest how to find out further information about her? Also whether she is still living? If not, where she might be buried?

Any suggestions or help will be very gratefully received.

Anne Webber
London


JewishGen Education 2017 #unitedkingdom

bounce-3248984-785714@...
 

We are delighted to offer 'genners a range of courses in 2017.

1. Improve Your Organization Skills & Research Online (for Advanced
Beginners)-- Jan 2-29
2. Exploring JewishGen (Basic 1 – tuition waived for Value Added
‘Genners) – Jan 6-20
3. Brick Walls or Dead End-- Feb 3-24
4. Search Strategies – Using Google (Basic 2 – tuition waived for
Value Added ‘Genners) – Mar 17-31
5. Complex Genealogical Research in the U.S. – Apr 3-20

The three and four week classes are taught in our unique FORUM, a
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Students are encouraged to post one branch, set goals for their
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Consider the beginning course for organization and basic research
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Basic Courses are 2 weeks and text based with exercises; tuition is
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We strongly encourage you to look at the course details, instructor's
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and thanks for "listening"
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Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom JewishGen Education 2017 #unitedkingdom

bounce-3248984-785714@...
 

We are delighted to offer 'genners a range of courses in 2017.

1. Improve Your Organization Skills & Research Online (for Advanced
Beginners)-- Jan 2-29
2. Exploring JewishGen (Basic 1 – tuition waived for Value Added
‘Genners) – Jan 6-20
3. Brick Walls or Dead End-- Feb 3-24
4. Search Strategies – Using Google (Basic 2 – tuition waived for
Value Added ‘Genners) – Mar 17-31
5. Complex Genealogical Research in the U.S. – Apr 3-20

The three and four week classes are taught in our unique FORUM, a
personal mentoring experience, where students have the opportunity to
share their story and work one step at a time with the instructor.
Students are encouraged to post one branch, set goals for their
research and work interactively. Instructors are familiar with a wide
range of resources and offer text lessons to accompany the research
process.

Consider the beginning course for organization and basic research
skills (census, vital records, manifests) then move on to the Complex
U.S. course or the New York course (both cover naturalization,
military, governmental records, and local archival research)

Basic Courses are 2 weeks and text based with exercises; tuition is
waived for Value Added members of JewishGen who have donated $100 to
the General Fund in the last 12 months.

We strongly encourage you to look at the course details, instructor's
credentials and student requirements (time, fee, prerequisites) on
www.jewishgen.org/education. Course Registration opens two weeks
before the course start date. If, after reviewing the education page,
you have some questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@....

and thanks for "listening"
Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education,
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


FHL #ukraine

IMS <sechzer_arch@...>
 

What is an FHL?

Sent >from one of my gizmos

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Family History Library at an LDS facility.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FHL #ukraine

IMS <sechzer_arch@...>
 

What is an FHL?

Sent >from one of my gizmos

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Family History Library at an LDS facility.

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