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ViewMate # 37634: Hungarian group of people #hungary

Margarita Lacko
 

Hello,

I have re-posted a picture of a gentleman who is displaying several old
photos. A group of portraits are >from 1942 and another group >from 1945.

I only recognize two ladies: Agnes BANO and her sister Zsuzsi BANO. They
were born in Budapest, Hungary, and both survived the war there.

I suspect that the gentleman who appears to own these old pictures might be
living in Israel. Do you recognize him? Or anyone else?

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=37634

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Margarita Lacko
Hollywood, Florida
Hungary SIG #Hungary ViewMate # 37634: Hungarian group of people #hungary

Margarita Lacko
 

Hello,

I have re-posted a picture of a gentleman who is displaying several old
photos. A group of portraits are >from 1942 and another group >from 1945.

I only recognize two ladies: Agnes BANO and her sister Zsuzsi BANO. They
were born in Budapest, Hungary, and both survived the war there.

I suspect that the gentleman who appears to own these old pictures might be
living in Israel. Do you recognize him? Or anyone else?

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=37634

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.

Margarita Lacko
Hollywood, Florida
Re: jewish cemeteries in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Hi Renato,

1. there are several lists of cemeteries, but none of them is complete.
Almost every town or village had its own cemetery. There are towns and
villages with more cemeteries. You would be surprised to know how many tiny
villages had their own graveyards.
2. Öcs had its own Jewish cemetery for sure (theoretically the upper section
of the Christian/public cemetery) but as far as I know there aren't any
graves any more. Maybe it only had a couple of markers but noone really
knows.
3. Usually the pattern was the following: bigger communities set up their
cemeteries first and people who died in the nearby little towns were buried
in the nearby towns. Then each community set up its own cemetery and stopped
using the other cemeteries in the area (some kept using other cemeteries as
well and this situation was complicated with the split in 1869
(orthodox/neolog/status quo ante).

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/Historian/Private tour guide


Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
cell: +36-30-546-6950

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: jewish cemeteries in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Hi Renato,

1. there are several lists of cemeteries, but none of them is complete.
Almost every town or village had its own cemetery. There are towns and
villages with more cemeteries. You would be surprised to know how many tiny
villages had their own graveyards.
2. Öcs had its own Jewish cemetery for sure (theoretically the upper section
of the Christian/public cemetery) but as far as I know there aren't any
graves any more. Maybe it only had a couple of markers but noone really
knows.
3. Usually the pattern was the following: bigger communities set up their
cemeteries first and people who died in the nearby little towns were buried
in the nearby towns. Then each community set up its own cemetery and stopped
using the other cemeteries in the area (some kept using other cemeteries as
well and this situation was complicated with the split in 1869
(orthodox/neolog/status quo ante).

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/Historian/Private tour guide


Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
cell: +36-30-546-6950

This is our World and we only have One. Please consider not printing this
e-mail thus saving trees and lives. If you need to print use the
double-sided option.
Re: jewish cemeteries in Hungary #hungary

Steve Stein
 

My ggf was born in Ocs (Vezprem county Hungary) in 1833. As he had his first child
in Ocs in 1860, I suppose that his parents died there. But how can I find where
they were buried? Ocs is a little town (200 inhabitants) and I don't think
(although I should verify) that there is a jewish cemetery there.What was the use
in these times? If there was no jewish cemetery in the town of death, were jewa
buried in a cemetery of a larger town? Is there a list of jewish cemeterie in
Hungary? Thank you for your help and excuse may bad English
Renato Mannheimer (Italy)
Check out Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary, compiled by Jordan
Auslander. It is published by Avotaynu (http://www.avotaynu.com/books/Hungary.htm).
It gives such information.

Steve Stein
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: jewish cemeteries in Hungary #general

Steve Stein
 

My ggf was born in Ocs (Vezprem county Hungary) in 1833. As he had his first child
in Ocs in 1860, I suppose that his parents died there. But how can I find where
they were buried? Ocs is a little town (200 inhabitants) and I don't think
(although I should verify) that there is a jewish cemetery there.What was the use
in these times? If there was no jewish cemetery in the town of death, were jewa
buried in a cemetery of a larger town? Is there a list of jewish cemeterie in
Hungary? Thank you for your help and excuse may bad English
Renato Mannheimer (Italy)
Check out Genealogical Gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary, compiled by Jordan
Auslander. It is published by Avotaynu (http://www.avotaynu.com/books/Hungary.htm).
It gives such information.

Steve Stein
Bolgrad, Bessarabia, now in Odessa Oblast, Ukraine #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody, this is my reply to Jeffrey Knisbacher's post (see below)
about Jews in town of Bolgrad, Bessarabia, now in Odessa Oblast of
Ukraine...

I just want to mentioned that we received recently a set of photos from
Bolgrad Jewish Cemetery, and at some point you will see the index with
photos in JOWBR. It was interesting how I got these photos. First I post a
message on Facebook at Bolgrad Town page, asking about the Jewish cemetery.
That was a long time ago, but several weeks ago I got a message >from a
person who is working in Bolgrad Town Hall, telling me about an article on
their site: https://bolgrad.net/news.php?readmore=4068 about a group of
people >from Odessa Holocaust Museum together with youth group "Derekh"
visited the Bolgrad Cemetery and cleaned >from dry branches and also
photographed all the tombstones. I contacted with Odessa Holocaust Museum
and they donated photos to us!!!

One thing I want to mention. There is a monument to the victims of
Holocaust at Bolgrad Jewish Cemetery, and that monument is in very poor
condition. I may later put some photos on Bessarabia SIG website. In any
case Odessa Holocaust Museum wants to repair the monument, and for that they
will need help >from us! I will let you know more details later. If you are
interested in helping, please let me know.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Subject: Bulgarians in Ukraine and the family YAGOLNITZER
From: Jeffrey Knisbacher <j2456@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:39:39 -0500

Yefim Kogan's recent post about Bulgarians in Ukraine and the Birnik or tax
collector profession sparked my interest because of a particular connection
with the family YAGOLNITZER, about which I wrote a two-part article, "The
Yagolnitzer Connection," that was published in January and Febrary on the
IGRA website. (I can make copies available to those who may be interested
since the original posts are now only available to paid members of IGRA.)
Our YAGOLNITZERs seem to have been originally >from Orinin, a shtetl near
Kamenetz Podolsk in SW Ukraine, although the name goes back to the town of
Yagielnitsa in what was then the Austro-Hungarian empire. However among our
family, some were born in Orinin while others were born in Bolgrad (now
Bolhrad), the prime area of Bulgarian settlement in Ukraine, but in the
southeast or Odessa area.

Also, after WWI, many of our Orininers moved to Bolgrad, apparently to be
with relatives and, possibly, because it was safer; i.e., less subject to
pogroms. I am very curious as to how the connection between Orinin and
Bolgrad came about and would be very appreciative of any information about
this or other connections between western Ukraine and the Bolgrad Bulgarian
area. Note that the website that Yefim posted on Ukrainian Bulgarians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessarabian_Bulgarians

says that Bolgrad was founded in 1819, while the Wikipedia article on
Bolgrad (see excerpts below) says the year was 1821. Not a big difference,
of course, and probably typical of varying information about many things in
early Ukraine. Note that my information on Orinin indicates that it has
existed for several centuries, far older than Bolgrad, but when the
Yagolnitzers first got there is unknown. Also I was told by one informant
years ago that he had heard >from his family members who lived in Orinin that
the town may actually have been founded by Jews since they derived the name
from the Hebrew "oranim" meaning 'pine trees'. Whether that is a legitimate
derivation or simply "folk etymology" is also unknown. Jeff Knisbacher,
researching, >from the Orinin area: LIMONCHIK/LIMONCZYK,
TISSENBAUM/TISISBOM/TISINBOIM, GELSTEIN/GOLDSTEIN, GILMAN/GELMAN.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately. This thread covers an area that is not
part of Ukraine SIG and is now closed. See the Bessarabia SIG for more information.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Bolgrad, Bessarabia, now in Odessa Oblast, Ukraine #ukraine

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody, this is my reply to Jeffrey Knisbacher's post (see below)
about Jews in town of Bolgrad, Bessarabia, now in Odessa Oblast of
Ukraine...

I just want to mentioned that we received recently a set of photos from
Bolgrad Jewish Cemetery, and at some point you will see the index with
photos in JOWBR. It was interesting how I got these photos. First I post a
message on Facebook at Bolgrad Town page, asking about the Jewish cemetery.
That was a long time ago, but several weeks ago I got a message >from a
person who is working in Bolgrad Town Hall, telling me about an article on
their site: https://bolgrad.net/news.php?readmore=4068 about a group of
people >from Odessa Holocaust Museum together with youth group "Derekh"
visited the Bolgrad Cemetery and cleaned >from dry branches and also
photographed all the tombstones. I contacted with Odessa Holocaust Museum
and they donated photos to us!!!

One thing I want to mention. There is a monument to the victims of
Holocaust at Bolgrad Jewish Cemetery, and that monument is in very poor
condition. I may later put some photos on Bessarabia SIG website. In any
case Odessa Holocaust Museum wants to repair the monument, and for that they
will need help >from us! I will let you know more details later. If you are
interested in helping, please let me know.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator


Subject: Bulgarians in Ukraine and the family YAGOLNITZER
From: Jeffrey Knisbacher <j2456@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:39:39 -0500

Yefim Kogan's recent post about Bulgarians in Ukraine and the Birnik or tax
collector profession sparked my interest because of a particular connection
with the family YAGOLNITZER, about which I wrote a two-part article, "The
Yagolnitzer Connection," that was published in January and Febrary on the
IGRA website. (I can make copies available to those who may be interested
since the original posts are now only available to paid members of IGRA.)
Our YAGOLNITZERs seem to have been originally >from Orinin, a shtetl near
Kamenetz Podolsk in SW Ukraine, although the name goes back to the town of
Yagielnitsa in what was then the Austro-Hungarian empire. However among our
family, some were born in Orinin while others were born in Bolgrad (now
Bolhrad), the prime area of Bulgarian settlement in Ukraine, but in the
southeast or Odessa area.

Also, after WWI, many of our Orininers moved to Bolgrad, apparently to be
with relatives and, possibly, because it was safer; i.e., less subject to
pogroms. I am very curious as to how the connection between Orinin and
Bolgrad came about and would be very appreciative of any information about
this or other connections between western Ukraine and the Bolgrad Bulgarian
area. Note that the website that Yefim posted on Ukrainian Bulgarians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessarabian_Bulgarians

says that Bolgrad was founded in 1819, while the Wikipedia article on
Bolgrad (see excerpts below) says the year was 1821. Not a big difference,
of course, and probably typical of varying information about many things in
early Ukraine. Note that my information on Orinin indicates that it has
existed for several centuries, far older than Bolgrad, but when the
Yagolnitzers first got there is unknown. Also I was told by one informant
years ago that he had heard >from his family members who lived in Orinin that
the town may actually have been founded by Jews since they derived the name
from the Hebrew "oranim" meaning 'pine trees'. Whether that is a legitimate
derivation or simply "folk etymology" is also unknown. Jeff Knisbacher,
researching, >from the Orinin area: LIMONCHIK/LIMONCZYK,
TISSENBAUM/TISISBOM/TISINBOIM, GELSTEIN/GOLDSTEIN, GILMAN/GELMAN.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately. This thread covers an area that is not
part of Ukraine SIG and is now closed. See the Bessarabia SIG for more information.
Seeking a connection in Korets: GORBACH, GOLUB, and SHVARTSMAN #general

boris
 

My maternal grandmother, Esther Shvartsman, who was born in Novograd-Volynsk or
Pulin (Chervonoarmijsk or Krasnoarmejsk today), lived with her relatives in Korets
in the early 1920's. Unfortunately, my mother never knew who the relatives were.

If your family was >from Korets and you are aware of a Novograd-Volynsk or Pulin
connection, please write. The possible family names are GORBACH, GOLUB, and
SHVARTSMAN.

Thank you!
Boris Feldblyum
boris@bfcollection.net
Potomac, MD
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking a connection in Korets: GORBACH, GOLUB, and SHVARTSMAN #general

boris
 

My maternal grandmother, Esther Shvartsman, who was born in Novograd-Volynsk or
Pulin (Chervonoarmijsk or Krasnoarmejsk today), lived with her relatives in Korets
in the early 1920's. Unfortunately, my mother never knew who the relatives were.

If your family was >from Korets and you are aware of a Novograd-Volynsk or Pulin
connection, please write. The possible family names are GORBACH, GOLUB, and
SHVARTSMAN.

Thank you!
Boris Feldblyum
boris@bfcollection.net
Potomac, MD
jewish cemeteries in Hungary #general

renato mannheimer
 

My ggf was born in Ocs (Vezprem county Hungary) in 1833. As he had his first child
in Ocs in 1860, I suppose that his parents died there. But how can I find where
they were buried? Ocs is a little town (200 inhabitants) and I don't think
(although I should verify) that there is a jewish cemetery there.What was the use
in these times? If there was no jewish cemetery in the town of death, were jewa
buried in a cemetery of a larger town? Is there a list of jewish cemeterie in
Hungary? Thank you for your help and excuse may bad english
Renato Mannheimer (Italy)

MODERATOR NOTE: You might want to check the JewishGen website, under the tab
"Databases" for "Burial Registry (JOWBR)" you will be able to check out the list
of cemeteries by country included in the database.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen jewish cemeteries in Hungary #general

renato mannheimer
 

My ggf was born in Ocs (Vezprem county Hungary) in 1833. As he had his first child
in Ocs in 1860, I suppose that his parents died there. But how can I find where
they were buried? Ocs is a little town (200 inhabitants) and I don't think
(although I should verify) that there is a jewish cemetery there.What was the use
in these times? If there was no jewish cemetery in the town of death, were jewa
buried in a cemetery of a larger town? Is there a list of jewish cemeterie in
Hungary? Thank you for your help and excuse may bad english
Renato Mannheimer (Italy)

MODERATOR NOTE: You might want to check the JewishGen website, under the tab
"Databases" for "Burial Registry (JOWBR)" you will be able to check out the list
of cemeteries by country included in the database.
Re: Citizenship and marriage #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Daniela Torsh wrote:

Can anyone tell me whether my Czech born aunty Olga THORSCH would have
acquired Polish citizenship upon her marriage in 1917 at the Temple in
Krakow to a Polish Jew Maks BRANDMANN?

Born in Uhersky Brod in the Czech republic Olga would have been an Austrian
citizen I assume.

Krakow was then part of Galicia in Austria but did Jews have Polish or
Austrian citizenship at that time?

Her husband born Pinchas BRANDMANN was born in Tarnow on 8 November
1876. Would he have automatically been Polish or Austrian or Russian? His
parents were Efraim born in Mielec and Malke born in Tarnow.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Daniela,

In 1917 the independent Poland and Czechia did not exist.

Those countries have been established in 1918, following the end of WWI and
the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Since Uhersky Brod, Tarnow and Mielec were all part of Austro-Hungary, Olga
and Pinchas were also subject of this Empire.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Citizenship and marriage #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Daniela Torsh wrote:

Can anyone tell me whether my Czech born aunty Olga THORSCH would have
acquired Polish citizenship upon her marriage in 1917 at the Temple in
Krakow to a Polish Jew Maks BRANDMANN?

Born in Uhersky Brod in the Czech republic Olga would have been an Austrian
citizen I assume.

Krakow was then part of Galicia in Austria but did Jews have Polish or
Austrian citizenship at that time?

Her husband born Pinchas BRANDMANN was born in Tarnow on 8 November
1876. Would he have automatically been Polish or Austrian or Russian? His
parents were Efraim born in Mielec and Malke born in Tarnow.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Daniela,

In 1917 the independent Poland and Czechia did not exist.

Those countries have been established in 1918, following the end of WWI and
the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

Since Uhersky Brod, Tarnow and Mielec were all part of Austro-Hungary, Olga
and Pinchas were also subject of this Empire.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, AB
Ukraine SIG Discussion group passes a new milestone! #ukraine

Janette Silverman
 

Dear Friends:
I am pleased to announce that this past week, Ukraine SIG discussion
group members have passed the 3,900 mark! To give you an idea of the
significance, at the time of the conference last summer there were 3,800
members and at that same time in 2014 we had 3,400 members!

I am also pleased that so many of you are actively engaged in one area
or another as volunteers - we have about 500 volunteers, most as town
leaders. There are over 300 town leaders. There are plenty of
volunteer opportunities still available. Over 600 towns still do not
have town leaders.Other towns have town leaders but no KehilLinks Owner
= while many town leaders take on both, there are plenty or towns that
still need either a town leader, a KehilaLinks owner or both. Look at
the town page of your interest and see what is happening there, whether
there is a town leader or KehilaLinks owner and the status of projects.

Best,
Janette

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ukraine-SIG/180102942060505
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Ukraine SIG Discussion group passes a new milestone! #ukraine

Janette Silverman
 

Dear Friends:
I am pleased to announce that this past week, Ukraine SIG discussion
group members have passed the 3,900 mark! To give you an idea of the
significance, at the time of the conference last summer there were 3,800
members and at that same time in 2014 we had 3,400 members!

I am also pleased that so many of you are actively engaged in one area
or another as volunteers - we have about 500 volunteers, most as town
leaders. There are over 300 town leaders. There are plenty of
volunteer opportunities still available. Over 600 towns still do not
have town leaders.Other towns have town leaders but no KehilLinks Owner
= while many town leaders take on both, there are plenty or towns that
still need either a town leader, a KehilaLinks owner or both. Look at
the town page of your interest and see what is happening there, whether
there is a town leader or KehilaLinks owner and the status of projects.

Best,
Janette

Dr. Janette Silverman
JewishGen Ukraine-SIG Coordinator
ukrainesig.coordinator@gmail.com
http://www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine/default.asp
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ukraine-SIG/180102942060505
Re: Isac Ignacz PICK from Pecek or Golsch-Jenikau? #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

The birth place of Ignatz Pick in HBMa 378 and HBMa 383 is Wlkanets =
Vlkanec (with diacritic sign over c), county Kutna Hora, region
Stredocesky kraj. The distance between Golcuv Jenikov and Vlkanec on the
road is only 7 km = 4 miles.

Best

Hanus Grab
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Isac Ignacz PICK from Pecek or Golsch-Jenikau? #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

The birth place of Ignatz Pick in HBMa 378 and HBMa 383 is Wlkanets =
Vlkanec (with diacritic sign over c), county Kutna Hora, region
Stredocesky kraj. The distance between Golcuv Jenikov and Vlkanec on the
road is only 7 km = 4 miles.

Best

Hanus Grab
Celia Male #austria-czech

oliverbryk@...
 

With Celia's passing I feel like having lost a friend.

Oliver Bryk
Re: Celia Male #austria-czech

ellie.carson@...
 

I too was helped immensely by Celia when I first started my journey in
genealogy. She will always have a place in my heart.
Ellie Geiduschek Carson
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