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ViewMate Transcription request #germany

jrzeller50 <jrzeller50@...>
 

I've found on Ancestry.com the marriage document of my 3rd great
grandparents, Leopold (Loeb) Goldschmitt and Klara Berney of Ebersheim,
Rheinland-Pfalz, and posted it to ViewMate at

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58907

I thought I was getting better at reading the old German, but other than
a few words here and there, this document is beyond me. According to
the index/abstract on Ancestry, the marriage took place in Ebersheim on
11 December 1814, and Klara's parents were Joseph and Theresa
Berney; Samuel Goldschmitt is listed as family member. (Though Klara's
father is listed as Isaak on her death document.) I would like a
transcription of as much as possible, especially interested in the names
and ages of family members. (Note, the underlining was on the
downloaded document, not my doing.) I can provide a bigger file if
necessary, if someone is willing to tackle this!

Please respond using the online ViewMate form. I appreciate any help I
can get on this one!

Thanks! Joan Zeller Pittsford, NY USA


German SIG #Germany ViewMate Transcription request #germany

jrzeller50 <jrzeller50@...>
 

I've found on Ancestry.com the marriage document of my 3rd great
grandparents, Leopold (Loeb) Goldschmitt and Klara Berney of Ebersheim,
Rheinland-Pfalz, and posted it to ViewMate at

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=58907

I thought I was getting better at reading the old German, but other than
a few words here and there, this document is beyond me. According to
the index/abstract on Ancestry, the marriage took place in Ebersheim on
11 December 1814, and Klara's parents were Joseph and Theresa
Berney; Samuel Goldschmitt is listed as family member. (Though Klara's
father is listed as Isaak on her death document.) I would like a
transcription of as much as possible, especially interested in the names
and ages of family members. (Note, the underlining was on the
downloaded document, not my doing.) I can provide a bigger file if
necessary, if someone is willing to tackle this!

Please respond using the online ViewMate form. I appreciate any help I
can get on this one!

Thanks! Joan Zeller Pittsford, NY USA


INTRO - researching family from Hessen region #germany

Jeanette
 

Hi GerSig

I joined the group a while ago but never introduced myself. I have been
doing genealogy research for over 20 years. I consider myself to be on the
intermediate level. My native language is English and I also speak Hebrew
and some German. I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My
experience on the internet is intermediate as well. I have identified many
of my ancestors as far as 8 generations back. Most of the family comes >from
the Hessen area of Germany.

Towns that I am interested in are Ulmbach,
Herdecke, Sterbfritz, Meimnbressen, Eiterfeld and the city of Koln.

Jeanette Taylor, jeanette@013.net Rehovot, Israel


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching family from Hessen region #germany

Jeanette
 

Hi GerSig

I joined the group a while ago but never introduced myself. I have been
doing genealogy research for over 20 years. I consider myself to be on the
intermediate level. My native language is English and I also speak Hebrew
and some German. I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My
experience on the internet is intermediate as well. I have identified many
of my ancestors as far as 8 generations back. Most of the family comes >from
the Hessen area of Germany.

Towns that I am interested in are Ulmbach,
Herdecke, Sterbfritz, Meimnbressen, Eiterfeld and the city of Koln.

Jeanette Taylor, jeanette@013.net Rehovot, Israel


(UK and Ireland) Ancestry UK is Making Most of their UK and Irish Records Available For Free Through this Weekend British Standard Time #unitedkingdom

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Starting 25 August 2017 at 00:01BST to 23:59 BST on 28 August 2017 Ancestry
UK is making their UK and Irish featured collections free to access. To
find the corresponding time in your local time zone use the time zone
converter at: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Note at the time this is posted the offer has already started!

Registration will be required, including your name, email address, password
etc. No credit card information is requested for the featured collections.
To see which records are included in the featured collection go to:
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If you try to access records other than those included in the featured
collection or before or after the free access time period, you will be
invited to subscribe with a paid membership. To search the records go to
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/free-access

When you put in the names you are searching and the new window opens up
click on the green VIEW Free Access. When you click on the records
another window opens with the record on the left it says review and save to
your tree and sign up to save this record. If you click on the
"sign-up to save this record" you will be invited to subscribe after a
14-day free trial, and credit card information is required. This is not the
free access. Instead if you want to make a copy of the record do a print
screen and save it to your photo program and then save it to your computer.

If you click on the right side screen where it says to discover your family
with a FREE trial you will be invited to produce a credit card and have
access to all their records. This is not the free weekend promotion for the
UK and Irish records.

If you want to see a 5-minute video on how to use UK records see:
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Original url:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HalYXGyjYDg&o_xid=81148&o_lid=81148&o_sch=Email+Campaigns

Thank you to Hazel Boone, President, JGS Hamilton for informing us about
this upcoming opportunity to access the Ancestry UK and Irish records.

I have no relationship with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom (UK and Ireland) Ancestry UK is Making Most of their UK and Irish Records Available For Free Through this Weekend British Standard Time #unitedkingdom

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Starting 25 August 2017 at 00:01BST to 23:59 BST on 28 August 2017 Ancestry
UK is making their UK and Irish featured collections free to access. To
find the corresponding time in your local time zone use the time zone
converter at: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Note at the time this is posted the offer has already started!

Registration will be required, including your name, email address, password
etc. No credit card information is requested for the featured collections.
To see which records are included in the featured collection go to:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/group/uk_irish_records .

If you try to access records other than those included in the featured
collection or before or after the free access time period, you will be
invited to subscribe with a paid membership. To search the records go to
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/free-access

When you put in the names you are searching and the new window opens up
click on the green VIEW Free Access. When you click on the records
another window opens with the record on the left it says review and save to
your tree and sign up to save this record. If you click on the
"sign-up to save this record" you will be invited to subscribe after a
14-day free trial, and credit card information is required. This is not the
free access. Instead if you want to make a copy of the record do a print
screen and save it to your photo program and then save it to your computer.

If you click on the right side screen where it says to discover your family
with a FREE trial you will be invited to produce a credit card and have
access to all their records. This is not the free weekend promotion for the
UK and Irish records.

If you want to see a 5-minute video on how to use UK records see:
http://tinyurl.com/y9vb2cvf
Original url:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HalYXGyjYDg&o_xid=81148&o_lid=81148&o_sch=Email+Campaigns

Thank you to Hazel Boone, President, JGS Hamilton for informing us about
this upcoming opportunity to access the Ancestry UK and Irish records.

I have no relationship with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


(UK and Ireland) Ancestry UK is Making Most of their UK and Irish Records Available For Free Through this Weekend British Standard Time #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Starting 25 August 2017 at 00:01BST to 23:59 BST on 28 August 2017 Ancestry
UK is making their UK and Irish featured collections free to access. To
find the corresponding time in your local time zone use the time zone
converter at: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Note at the time this is posted the offer has already started!

Registration will be required, including your name, email address, password
etc. No credit card information is requested for the featured collections.
To see which records are included in the featured collection go to:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/group/uk_irish_records .

If you try to access records other than those included in the featured
collection or before or after the free access time period, you will be
invited to subscribe with a paid membership. To search the records go to
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/free-access

When you put in the names you are searching and the new window opens up
click on the green VIEW Free Access. When you click on the records
another window opens with the record on the left it says review and save to
your tree and sign up to save this record. If you click on the
"sign-up to save this record" you will be invited to subscribe after a
14-day free trial, and credit card information is required. This is not the
free access. Instead if you want to make a copy of the record do a print
screen and save it to your photo program and then save it to your computer.

If you click on the right side screen where it says to discover your family
with a FREE trial you will be invited to produce a credit card and have
access to all their records. This is not the free weekend promotion for the
UK and Irish records.

If you want to see a 5-minute video on how to use UK records see:
http://tinyurl.com/y9vb2cvf
Original url:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HalYXGyjYDg&o_xid=81148&o_lid=81148&o_sch=Email+Campaigns

Thank you to Hazel Boone, President, JGS Hamilton for informing us about
this upcoming opportunity to access the Ancestry UK and Irish records.

I have no relationship with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (UK and Ireland) Ancestry UK is Making Most of their UK and Irish Records Available For Free Through this Weekend British Standard Time #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

Starting 25 August 2017 at 00:01BST to 23:59 BST on 28 August 2017 Ancestry
UK is making their UK and Irish featured collections free to access. To
find the corresponding time in your local time zone use the time zone
converter at: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
Note at the time this is posted the offer has already started!

Registration will be required, including your name, email address, password
etc. No credit card information is requested for the featured collections.
To see which records are included in the featured collection go to:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/group/uk_irish_records .

If you try to access records other than those included in the featured
collection or before or after the free access time period, you will be
invited to subscribe with a paid membership. To search the records go to
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/free-access

When you put in the names you are searching and the new window opens up
click on the green VIEW Free Access. When you click on the records
another window opens with the record on the left it says review and save to
your tree and sign up to save this record. If you click on the
"sign-up to save this record" you will be invited to subscribe after a
14-day free trial, and credit card information is required. This is not the
free access. Instead if you want to make a copy of the record do a print
screen and save it to your photo program and then save it to your computer.

If you click on the right side screen where it says to discover your family
with a FREE trial you will be invited to produce a credit card and have
access to all their records. This is not the free weekend promotion for the
UK and Irish records.

If you want to see a 5-minute video on how to use UK records see:
http://tinyurl.com/y9vb2cvf
Original url:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HalYXGyjYDg&o_xid=81148&o_lid=81148&o_sch=Email+Campaigns

Thank you to Hazel Boone, President, JGS Hamilton for informing us about
this upcoming opportunity to access the Ancestry UK and Irish records.

I have no relationship with Ancestry and am posting this solely for the
information of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: proving a close relationship #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Barbara,

How many children were descended >from the grandparents? If there are a
number of them, and you get a number of the grandchildren tested
(preferably at least two >from each child), then you have a better chance
determining if one had a different grandmother. Just testing two
individuals won't do it, however.

Keep in mind that DNA does sometimes show surprising things that are
*not* non-parental events. For examples, I have tested two siblings.
They show up as full siblings in FTDNA, so I know that there wasn't a
NPE. However, the male sibling for some reason has a lot less of the
Splaver-line DNA I'm tracing. His sister matches much more closely to
other known relatives than he does. Perhaps he just inherited more DNA
from his mother (the 50% is an approximation), or perhaps he happened to
inherit some DNA >from his father that doesn't show up in any of the other
known Splaver lines. I don't know.

Mindie Kaplan
mindie.kaplan@blogspot.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Schoenburg gen@schoenburg.com" <dna@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:18:34 PM

Is there any test that will show if first cousins (children of two
brothers) have the same grandmother? So far have called the one
recommended by this site and they say no. Called 23andMe and they said
no. They say if it was two sisters it would work. Any ideas?


DNA Research #DNA Re: proving a close relationship #dna

rayvenna@...
 

Barbara,

How many children were descended >from the grandparents? If there are a
number of them, and you get a number of the grandchildren tested
(preferably at least two >from each child), then you have a better chance
determining if one had a different grandmother. Just testing two
individuals won't do it, however.

Keep in mind that DNA does sometimes show surprising things that are
*not* non-parental events. For examples, I have tested two siblings.
They show up as full siblings in FTDNA, so I know that there wasn't a
NPE. However, the male sibling for some reason has a lot less of the
Splaver-line DNA I'm tracing. His sister matches much more closely to
other known relatives than he does. Perhaps he just inherited more DNA
from his mother (the 50% is an approximation), or perhaps he happened to
inherit some DNA >from his father that doesn't show up in any of the other
known Splaver lines. I don't know.

Mindie Kaplan
mindie.kaplan@blogspot.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Schoenburg gen@schoenburg.com" <dna@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:18:34 PM

Is there any test that will show if first cousins (children of two
brothers) have the same grandmother? So far have called the one
recommended by this site and they say no. Called 23andMe and they said
no. They say if it was two sisters it would work. Any ideas?


Re: Moving from Argentina to Brazil in the 1950s #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

Many immigrant families in South America moved about between countries due
to commercial, educational, professional, political and family reasons.
You can view an example of this by checking out the Brazilian immigration
cards for Molly Arost Staub's Jarast family which can be found on the
familysearch.org site. You can see by the dates of immigration and whether
the individuals were adults or children what their reason for moving might
have been.
Members of the Jarast family moved >from Argentina to Brazil as follows:

1950 - Adolfo Lifschitz, a doctor, and his sister Mina Lifschitz, a
pharmacist, the children of Abraham Lifschitz and Luisa Jarast.

1961 - Uscher Jarast, a doctor, son of Osias Jarast and Rosa Rapaport.

1963 - Albeto Daniel Jarast, a student, and Ricardo Ernesto Jarast, a
student, the children of Enrique Jarast and Marta Elena Kaplan.

1963 - Adrian Horacio Jarast, a student, the son of Elias Jarast and Sara
Gurevich

I did not look at the Sao Paolo, Brazil immigration cards which may also
contain additional Jarast family members.
As you can see, the immigration cards have lots of genealogically relevant
information and there was additional data such as their address, birth
date, etc.
Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Moving from Argentina to Brazil in the 1950s #general

Ann Rabinowitz
 

Many immigrant families in South America moved about between countries due
to commercial, educational, professional, political and family reasons.
You can view an example of this by checking out the Brazilian immigration
cards for Molly Arost Staub's Jarast family which can be found on the
familysearch.org site. You can see by the dates of immigration and whether
the individuals were adults or children what their reason for moving might
have been.
Members of the Jarast family moved >from Argentina to Brazil as follows:

1950 - Adolfo Lifschitz, a doctor, and his sister Mina Lifschitz, a
pharmacist, the children of Abraham Lifschitz and Luisa Jarast.

1961 - Uscher Jarast, a doctor, son of Osias Jarast and Rosa Rapaport.

1963 - Albeto Daniel Jarast, a student, and Ricardo Ernesto Jarast, a
student, the children of Enrique Jarast and Marta Elena Kaplan.

1963 - Adrian Horacio Jarast, a student, the son of Elias Jarast and Sara
Gurevich

I did not look at the Sao Paolo, Brazil immigration cards which may also
contain additional Jarast family members.
As you can see, the immigration cards have lots of genealogically relevant
information and there was additional data such as their address, birth
date, etc.
Ann Rabinowitz
arabinow@bellsouth.net


GUTNIK - Moshe Yakov & Miriam-Chana (nee CHEN/HEIN) #general

Rony Golan
 

I am seeking information on the following family, and will appreciate
your help:

Yakov-Moshe GUTNIK married Miriam-Chan CHEN/HEIN probably in
Chernihiv/Chernigov sometime in the beggining of the 20th century.

They had three children: Leib(l), Peretz & Rivka.

Miriam-Chana's parents are David CHEN & Perla.

Please reply privately.

Thank you,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:
EISDORFER- Hungary
KREMERUTSKY - Lithuania


KAGAN - Moshe & Sara (nee CHEN/HEIN) #general

Rony Golan
 

I am seeking information on the following family, and will appreciate
your help:

Moshe KAGAN of Novozibkov married Sara CHEN/HEIN from
Chernihiv/Chernigov in 1913.

They had at least two children: Emmanuel and Guta.

Family lore says the ended up in Novosibirsk during WWII.

Sara's parents are David CHEN & Perla.

I am seeking any information on them and their offsprings.

Please reply privately.

Thank you,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:
EISDORFER- Hungary
KREMERUTSKY - Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GUTNIK - Moshe Yakov & Miriam-Chana (nee CHEN/HEIN) #general

Rony Golan
 

I am seeking information on the following family, and will appreciate
your help:

Yakov-Moshe GUTNIK married Miriam-Chan CHEN/HEIN probably in
Chernihiv/Chernigov sometime in the beggining of the 20th century.

They had three children: Leib(l), Peretz & Rivka.

Miriam-Chana's parents are David CHEN & Perla.

Please reply privately.

Thank you,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:
EISDORFER- Hungary
KREMERUTSKY - Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KAGAN - Moshe & Sara (nee CHEN/HEIN) #general

Rony Golan
 

I am seeking information on the following family, and will appreciate
your help:

Moshe KAGAN of Novozibkov married Sara CHEN/HEIN from
Chernihiv/Chernigov in 1913.

They had at least two children: Emmanuel and Guta.

Family lore says the ended up in Novosibirsk during WWII.

Sara's parents are David CHEN & Perla.

I am seeking any information on them and their offsprings.

Please reply privately.

Thank you,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:
EISDORFER- Hungary
KREMERUTSKY - Lithuania


Re: Will of George MAY #unitedkingdom

Eva Lawrence
 

The net value of an estate is equal to the gross value after all
expenses have been met. 20 shillings are equal to 1 pound and 12
pence make one shilling. So the net estate was 6589 pounds, 15
shilling 8 pence, a considerable sum in 1912. I'm sure that a website
to give you an idea of the comparative value does exist if you google
it. It might be about the average year's salary of an
upper-middle-class man. Even 50 years later it would have bought you a
three-bedroom house outright.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re:Will of George MAY #unitedkingdom

Eva Lawrence
 

The net value of an estate is equal to the gross value after all
expenses have been met. 20 shillings are equal to 1 pound and 12
pence make one shilling. So the net estate was 6589 pounds, 15
shilling 8 pence, a considerable sum in 1912. I'm sure that a website
to give you an idea of the comparative value does exist if you google
it. It might be about the average year's salary of an
upper-middle-class man. Even 50 years later it would have bought you a
three-bedroom house outright.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Translation from Russian #general

Marilyn Silva
 

Genners,

I have posted 2 vital records in Russian for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM58722

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM58723

I am very grateful for what help anyone can provide.

Thank you very much

Marilyn Silva
ZALOSZYNSKI, GRZEBIN, TREITER, KISTENBERG all >from the Warsaw area.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation from Russian #general

Marilyn Silva
 

Genners,

I have posted 2 vital records in Russian for which I need a
translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM58722

www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM58723

I am very grateful for what help anyone can provide.

Thank you very much

Marilyn Silva
ZALOSZYNSKI, GRZEBIN, TREITER, KISTENBERG all >from the Warsaw area.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.

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