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Research Your Roots on JewishGen -- begins November 1 #germany

Phyllis Kramer
 

This course is designed for those researchers relatively new to
JewishGen who wish to use all our databases and communication
facilities to explore a family branch.
It's a mentored course, thus students have an instructor who will
personally respond to questions, make suggestions and assist in
researching the branch you choose...24/7.

The course is designed to match JewishGen resources to your family
knowledge; we will begin with your goals and objectives and a
descendant tree of the branch you select, then gather the information
about your town via JewishGen's rich databases and web pages; then we
will investigate JewishGen's other resources: JGFF, FTJP, Country
databases, Holocaust databases, Discussion Lists and Special Interest
Groups. Please note: this course is limited to JewishGen databases and
facilities; after using these, the instructor will give suggestions in
the last week for alternative resources.

We'll help you build an effective research plan, manage your data with
our fabulous format, and give you tips and techniques to overcome
research obstacles. Your course material includes 7 text based lessons
(about 15 pages each), delivered online (which you can download) with
hundreds of links and suggestions.

*Please* review the detailed description, requirements and tuition at:

https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40052

and then contact the instructor for questions or enroll in the course.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


German SIG #Germany Research Your Roots on JewishGen -- begins November 1 #germany

Phyllis Kramer
 

This course is designed for those researchers relatively new to
JewishGen who wish to use all our databases and communication
facilities to explore a family branch.
It's a mentored course, thus students have an instructor who will
personally respond to questions, make suggestions and assist in
researching the branch you choose...24/7.

The course is designed to match JewishGen resources to your family
knowledge; we will begin with your goals and objectives and a
descendant tree of the branch you select, then gather the information
about your town via JewishGen's rich databases and web pages; then we
will investigate JewishGen's other resources: JGFF, FTJP, Country
databases, Holocaust databases, Discussion Lists and Special Interest
Groups. Please note: this course is limited to JewishGen databases and
facilities; after using these, the instructor will give suggestions in
the last week for alternative resources.

We'll help you build an effective research plan, manage your data with
our fabulous format, and give you tips and techniques to overcome
research obstacles. Your course material includes 7 text based lessons
(about 15 pages each), delivered online (which you can download) with
hundreds of links and suggestions.

*Please* review the detailed description, requirements and tuition at:

https://www.jewishgen.org/education/description.asp?course=40052

and then contact the instructor for questions or enroll in the course.

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Where are Makov and Shtotzy? and Viewmate Translation Request: Yiddish #poland

Celia Haupt
 

Hello

My grandmother's autograph book has got 2 inscriptions that mention
places that I do not know and I would certainly appreciate any
suggestions on where these could be.

One is possibly "Shtotzy" (she was there February 2, 1935) and can be
found on Viewmate at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM60261


The other is "Makov" (she was there January 31, 1935) and is on
viewmate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM60263

Jewishgen has 5 possibilities - all 500km+ >from her home shtetl.

She would have travelled >from Motol 52 19' N 25 36' E (220 km SW
of Minsk), now in Belarus, then in Poland. She traveled by train
according to one of the above inscriptions.

Regards
Celia

Researching ARENBERG (Israel), FRANK (Seredzius, Surviliskis,
Lithuania; South Africa), GORDON (Lithuania), GUTENSKY (Poland),
KRUGER (Krakanova), LEVANISKY (Lithuania), SHAPIRO (Kovna, Lithuania;
Israel), SIMANOVSKI (Motol, Poland), STRELITZ (Vilkomir, Kedainiai,
Kovno, Lithuania), TRAUB (Lithuania), WARSHAVSKI (Poland?),
YERUZALIMSKI (Brezna?, Lithuania), YUDIS (Lithuania)


JRI Poland #Poland Where are Makov and Shtotzy? and Viewmate Translation Request: Yiddish #poland

Celia Haupt
 

Hello

My grandmother's autograph book has got 2 inscriptions that mention
places that I do not know and I would certainly appreciate any
suggestions on where these could be.

One is possibly "Shtotzy" (she was there February 2, 1935) and can be
found on Viewmate at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM60261


The other is "Makov" (she was there January 31, 1935) and is on
viewmate at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM60263

Jewishgen has 5 possibilities - all 500km+ >from her home shtetl.

She would have travelled >from Motol 52 19' N 25 36' E (220 km SW
of Minsk), now in Belarus, then in Poland. She traveled by train
according to one of the above inscriptions.

Regards
Celia

Researching ARENBERG (Israel), FRANK (Seredzius, Surviliskis,
Lithuania; South Africa), GORDON (Lithuania), GUTENSKY (Poland),
KRUGER (Krakanova), LEVANISKY (Lithuania), SHAPIRO (Kovna, Lithuania;
Israel), SIMANOVSKI (Motol, Poland), STRELITZ (Vilkomir, Kedainiai,
Kovno, Lithuania), TRAUB (Lithuania), WARSHAVSKI (Poland?),
YERUZALIMSKI (Brezna?, Lithuania), YUDIS (Lithuania)


Re: Looking for great grandfather and daughter born in Poland. #poland

Jill Meltzer
 

I'm looking for the family of Chaim Ox and his daughter Pauline Ox.
I don't know his wife's name or if he had other children.
Pauline gave birth to my mother and died 2 1/2 years later.
It was pretty much kept a secret. Now that I know I want to find
the family of my birth grandmother. I've search all the places
I could access. I know she was born around 1899 and came to the
US around 1922 and married my grandfather (Abraham Herman) in 1926.
She died in Scranton Pa. in 1929. I saw a copy of her death
certificate which had her name and her father's name.
That's pretty much all I know.

Jill Meltzer
Monticello NY


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Looking for great grandfather and daughter born in Poland. #poland

Jill Meltzer
 

I'm looking for the family of Chaim Ox and his daughter Pauline Ox.
I don't know his wife's name or if he had other children.
Pauline gave birth to my mother and died 2 1/2 years later.
It was pretty much kept a secret. Now that I know I want to find
the family of my birth grandmother. I've search all the places
I could access. I know she was born around 1899 and came to the
US around 1922 and married my grandfather (Abraham Herman) in 1926.
She died in Scranton Pa. in 1929. I saw a copy of her death
certificate which had her name and her father's name.
That's pretty much all I know.

Jill Meltzer
Monticello NY


RASHI descent: SZAPIRO of Garbas #rabbinic

jslcalif
 

It is the village of Garbas (Warminsko-Mazurskie / Suwalki area)
-- birthplace of my GGG-grandfather R' Szmuel Boruch SZAPIRO (1803-1848)
-- that intrigues me.
I have notes showing Garbas as the birth- and death-places of two other
SAPIRO rabbis --
the father and the paternal grandfather of R' Pinchas of Koretz:

---Rav Abraham Abba SAPIRO (1709-1744)
---Rav Shalom Pinchas SAPIRO (b ca 1685)

What are the chances that my ggg-grandfather, the Rabbi Szmuel Boruch
SZAPIRO, would be born in this small village and be unrelated to those
two rabbis? Well, surprisingly, it's not easy to locate information on
them.*

I need a good SHAPIRO/SPIRA (all spellings) family tree that covers its whole
families of this region and period
--and/or--
a biographical essay on Pinchas of Koretz (or more distant ancestors of
Pinchas) that covers the two rabbis in question. They may even merit such
essays in their own right. The articles I've seen, about Pinchas of Koretz
and about the SHAPIRO family, contain huge lacunae. Google Pinchas's father
and grandfather? Silence.

I'd like references to the brothers/uncles/nephews, too, as it isn't always
through the most illustrious members that one is linked to a family. In
this particular family, especially, one is never far >from a rabbi.
I have seen one brother for Abraham Abba -- Mordechai -- and I've read of
three brothers of Rav Shalom Pinchas, but don't have their birthplaces or
descendants.

Any research assistance/suggestions would be appreciated, as would
information about the men in question, as I try to connect Szmuel Boruch
with his forebears.

Jill LIEBSTER
San Francisco, California

*I posted in August about this ancestor - a "brick wall" for me.
Relevant ancestry.com member trees all agree with each other - for no
stated reason whatsoever - that he was the son of a "Szepsel", and that
this Szepsel was the son of a Moshe.
They seem to want that Moshe to be ABD Slavita, ben Pinchas of Koretz,
in the absence of the necessary documents.
I'm now wondering if the reason is a longstanding family claim of RASHI
descent, a claim these hobbyists are desperate to own via Moshe of
Slavita because of the latter's common literary coverage. Even rabbinic
pedigrees can be spotty. And, while punctilious about father-son linkages,
they can ignore siblings who are (or who link to) lesser-known rabbis.
One almost understands the hobbyists' "adding" a son for Rav Moshe of
Slavita, given their frustration over all the brothers of Rabbis omitted

from the pedigrees. Could be...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RASHI descent: SZAPIRO of Garbas #rabbinic

jslcalif
 

It is the village of Garbas (Warminsko-Mazurskie / Suwalki area)
-- birthplace of my GGG-grandfather R' Szmuel Boruch SZAPIRO (1803-1848)
-- that intrigues me.
I have notes showing Garbas as the birth- and death-places of two other
SAPIRO rabbis --
the father and the paternal grandfather of R' Pinchas of Koretz:

---Rav Abraham Abba SAPIRO (1709-1744)
---Rav Shalom Pinchas SAPIRO (b ca 1685)

What are the chances that my ggg-grandfather, the Rabbi Szmuel Boruch
SZAPIRO, would be born in this small village and be unrelated to those
two rabbis? Well, surprisingly, it's not easy to locate information on
them.*

I need a good SHAPIRO/SPIRA (all spellings) family tree that covers its whole
families of this region and period
--and/or--
a biographical essay on Pinchas of Koretz (or more distant ancestors of
Pinchas) that covers the two rabbis in question. They may even merit such
essays in their own right. The articles I've seen, about Pinchas of Koretz
and about the SHAPIRO family, contain huge lacunae. Google Pinchas's father
and grandfather? Silence.

I'd like references to the brothers/uncles/nephews, too, as it isn't always
through the most illustrious members that one is linked to a family. In
this particular family, especially, one is never far >from a rabbi.
I have seen one brother for Abraham Abba -- Mordechai -- and I've read of
three brothers of Rav Shalom Pinchas, but don't have their birthplaces or
descendants.

Any research assistance/suggestions would be appreciated, as would
information about the men in question, as I try to connect Szmuel Boruch
with his forebears.

Jill LIEBSTER
San Francisco, California

*I posted in August about this ancestor - a "brick wall" for me.
Relevant ancestry.com member trees all agree with each other - for no
stated reason whatsoever - that he was the son of a "Szepsel", and that
this Szepsel was the son of a Moshe.
They seem to want that Moshe to be ABD Slavita, ben Pinchas of Koretz,
in the absence of the necessary documents.
I'm now wondering if the reason is a longstanding family claim of RASHI
descent, a claim these hobbyists are desperate to own via Moshe of
Slavita because of the latter's common literary coverage. Even rabbinic
pedigrees can be spotty. And, while punctilious about father-son linkages,
they can ignore siblings who are (or who link to) lesser-known rabbis.
One almost understands the hobbyists' "adding" a son for Rav Moshe of
Slavita, given their frustration over all the brothers of Rabbis omitted

from the pedigrees. Could be...


Jewish immigrant from Istanbul named Vittali #sephardic

Barbara Algaze
 

My husband's grandfather was named Victor; his Hebrew name was Chaim. He is
listed on every U.S. document I have found as Victor (census records, draft
records, city directories, marriage record, birth of his children,
naturalization and death). Only on his 1909 passenger record, sailing >from
Patras, Greece, he is listed as Vittali. When I questioned whether this
Vittali could be his grandfather, my husband responded, "Of course, that is
what Grandma called him when she was angry at him."

I have not been able to find any records for this grandfather or his family
in Istanbul (this would be before 1909, when they were still using Arabic
letters to write the Turkish language.) I found the following about an
Italian Synagogue in Istanbul:

Sisli (Jewish Italian) Cemetery - The Sisli (Italian-Jewish Museum) is in
Sisli (a section of European Istanbul). It is on all the tourist maps and is
located near the minibus terminal of Sisli. The cemetery is across >from the
building # 283 Abidin Hurriyet Cadessi.

Sisli Synagogue - 4 Efe St., Osman Bey.

Italian Synagogue - Sair Ziya Pasa Yokusu no 27 Karakoy Galata, Istanbul,
Turkey

Italian Congregation - 29 Okcu Musa Caddesi, Galata, Istanbul, Turkey.

My question is, is it possible that the family belonged to the Italian
Synagogue in Istanbul, considering that Grandpa had an Italian first name?
Does anyone know anything about that Synagogue and if there are any archives
or records >from before 1909?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Barbara Algaze
Algaze3@gmail.com
Los Angeles, California


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Jewish immigrant from Istanbul named Vittali #sephardic

Barbara Algaze
 

My husband's grandfather was named Victor; his Hebrew name was Chaim. He is
listed on every U.S. document I have found as Victor (census records, draft
records, city directories, marriage record, birth of his children,
naturalization and death). Only on his 1909 passenger record, sailing >from
Patras, Greece, he is listed as Vittali. When I questioned whether this
Vittali could be his grandfather, my husband responded, "Of course, that is
what Grandma called him when she was angry at him."

I have not been able to find any records for this grandfather or his family
in Istanbul (this would be before 1909, when they were still using Arabic
letters to write the Turkish language.) I found the following about an
Italian Synagogue in Istanbul:

Sisli (Jewish Italian) Cemetery - The Sisli (Italian-Jewish Museum) is in
Sisli (a section of European Istanbul). It is on all the tourist maps and is
located near the minibus terminal of Sisli. The cemetery is across >from the
building # 283 Abidin Hurriyet Cadessi.

Sisli Synagogue - 4 Efe St., Osman Bey.

Italian Synagogue - Sair Ziya Pasa Yokusu no 27 Karakoy Galata, Istanbul,
Turkey

Italian Congregation - 29 Okcu Musa Caddesi, Galata, Istanbul, Turkey.

My question is, is it possible that the family belonged to the Italian
Synagogue in Istanbul, considering that Grandpa had an Italian first name?
Does anyone know anything about that Synagogue and if there are any archives
or records >from before 1909?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Barbara Algaze
Algaze3@gmail.com
Los Angeles, California


Re: Need explanation for unexpected DNA results #dna

Nicole Heymans <Nicole.Heymans@...>
 

The short answer is, genealogy by DNA is not an exact science.

My view is not an expert's - just a scientist trying to understand
someone else's science.

I gather Estimated relationship has to do with how much DNA is shared
between two individuals. If they share enough, they are tagged "not
too distant relatives".

Ethnicity goes far further back in time. And relating an individual
to a particular ethnic group is not possible if the ethnic group has
not been DNA tested.

My interpretation is that no one among the relatives you share with
this match has tested their DNA.

Nicole Heymans

Near Brussels, Belgium

From: V Munteanu <vmunteanu@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:17:29 +0000

Could anyone help me please, understand this mystery?
On myheritage.com on my DNA matches I found someone with with who
"I do not have any ethnicity in common" but the Estimated relationship
is 1st cousin twice removed -5th cousin. How could this be possible? I
look forward to hearing >from you.
Kind regards,
Virginia Munteanu


DNA Research #DNA Re: Need explanation for unexpected DNA results #dna

Nicole Heymans <Nicole.Heymans@...>
 

The short answer is, genealogy by DNA is not an exact science.

My view is not an expert's - just a scientist trying to understand
someone else's science.

I gather Estimated relationship has to do with how much DNA is shared
between two individuals. If they share enough, they are tagged "not
too distant relatives".

Ethnicity goes far further back in time. And relating an individual
to a particular ethnic group is not possible if the ethnic group has
not been DNA tested.

My interpretation is that no one among the relatives you share with
this match has tested their DNA.

Nicole Heymans

Near Brussels, Belgium

From: V Munteanu <vmunteanu@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:17:29 +0000

Could anyone help me please, understand this mystery?
On myheritage.com on my DNA matches I found someone with with who
"I do not have any ethnicity in common" but the Estimated relationship
is 1st cousin twice removed -5th cousin. How could this be possible? I
look forward to hearing >from you.
Kind regards,
Virginia Munteanu


Kamenets-Podolsky #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

We are in need of a Town Leader, who is willing to take over management of
the KehilaLinks page for Kamenets. We have an opportunity to make a major
acquisition of records for Kamenets that includes some records for
surrounding towns, but a Town Leader is needed to monitor the fund raising
project and help organize the effort. Funds are raised via JewishGen, so no
handling of money is involved, and we can help you organize and track the
project. Maintaining the KehilaLinks page involves the willingness to learn
some basics of web entry or to work with one of our volunteers. Contact me
directly for more information, if you are interested in helping further this
project along. Records available include Kamenets_Podolskii; Monthly
books with applications for burial,1905-1907; Metrical books - b., m.,
div., d.,1836-1838; Kamenets-Podolskii; Lists of recruits, born
1873-4,1895-1895.

Please contact me privately.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, Ukraine SIG
Cmw521@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kamenets-Podolsky #general

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

We are in need of a Town Leader, who is willing to take over management of
the KehilaLinks page for Kamenets. We have an opportunity to make a major
acquisition of records for Kamenets that includes some records for
surrounding towns, but a Town Leader is needed to monitor the fund raising
project and help organize the effort. Funds are raised via JewishGen, so no
handling of money is involved, and we can help you organize and track the
project. Maintaining the KehilaLinks page involves the willingness to learn
some basics of web entry or to work with one of our volunteers. Contact me
directly for more information, if you are interested in helping further this
project along. Records available include Kamenets_Podolskii; Monthly
books with applications for burial,1905-1907; Metrical books - b., m.,
div., d.,1836-1838; Kamenets-Podolskii; Lists of recruits, born
1873-4,1895-1895.

Please contact me privately.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, Ukraine SIG
Cmw521@earthlink.net


Kamenets-Podolsky #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

We are in need of a Town Leader, who is willing to take over management of
the KehilaLinks page for Kamenets. We have an opportunity to make a major
acquisition of records for Kamenets that includes some records for
surrounding towns, but a Town Leader is needed to monitor the fund raising
project and help organize the effort. Funds are raised via JewishGen, so no
handling of money is involved, and we can help you organize and track the
project. Maintaining the KehilaLinks page involves the willingness to learn
some basics of web entry or to work with one of our volunteers. Contact me
directly for more information, if you are interested in helping further this
project along. Records available include Kamenets_Podolskii; Monthly
books with applications for burial,1905-1907; Metrical books - b., m.,
div., d.,1836-1838; Kamenets-Podolskii; Lists of recruits, born
1873-4,1895-1895.

Please contact me privately.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, Ukraine SIG
Cmw521@earthlink.net


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamenets-Podolsky #ukraine

Chuck Weinstein <cmw521@...>
 

We are in need of a Town Leader, who is willing to take over management of
the KehilaLinks page for Kamenets. We have an opportunity to make a major
acquisition of records for Kamenets that includes some records for
surrounding towns, but a Town Leader is needed to monitor the fund raising
project and help organize the effort. Funds are raised via JewishGen, so no
handling of money is involved, and we can help you organize and track the
project. Maintaining the KehilaLinks page involves the willingness to learn
some basics of web entry or to work with one of our volunteers. Contact me
directly for more information, if you are interested in helping further this
project along. Records available include Kamenets_Podolskii; Monthly
books with applications for burial,1905-1907; Metrical books - b., m.,
div., d.,1836-1838; Kamenets-Podolskii; Lists of recruits, born
1873-4,1895-1895.

Please contact me privately.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, Ukraine SIG
Cmw521@earthlink.net


Viewmate translation request - Hebrew #general

David Brostoff
 

I have posted four tombstone photos on ViewMate and would be very grateful
for a translation of the Hebrew inscriptions:

<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60831>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60832>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60833>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60834>

Please reply via the ViewMate form.

Thank you,

David Brostoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate translation request - Hebrew #general

David Brostoff
 

I have posted four tombstone photos on ViewMate and would be very grateful
for a translation of the Hebrew inscriptions:

<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60831>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60832>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60833>
<https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=60834>

Please reply via the ViewMate form.

Thank you,

David Brostoff


Re: Identifying Owners of Tallitot and Tefillin? #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Perhaps there is info on or inside the tallit bag, or inside the tefillin
bags.

I sewed name tapes inside our family's bags, and when my husband got a new
tallit and new bag it was embroidered with his Hebrew name on the outside.

Barbara Mannlein

On Oct 14, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Janice Sellers janicemsj@gmail.com wrote:

I have recently discovered that among the items saved >from my late
grandmother's apartment is a small suitcase, in which are five sets of
tefillin and one tallit. Is it possible that there is anything on any
of these that would identify to whom they belonged? If so, where
should I look?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Identifying Owners of Tallitot and Tefillin? #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Perhaps there is info on or inside the tallit bag, or inside the tefillin
bags.

I sewed name tapes inside our family's bags, and when my husband got a new
tallit and new bag it was embroidered with his Hebrew name on the outside.

Barbara Mannlein

On Oct 14, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Janice Sellers janicemsj@gmail.com wrote:

I have recently discovered that among the items saved >from my late
grandmother's apartment is a small suitcase, in which are five sets of
tefillin and one tallit. Is it possible that there is anything on any
of these that would identify to whom they belonged? If so, where
should I look?

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