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Re: Hamburg Kabronim Buch #general

Odeda Zlotnick
 

"Kabronim" is the Ashkenazi pronunciation of the Hebrew word "Kabranim".
A "kabran" is a gravedigger. The "Kabronim Buch" is the "Gravediggers' book" -
most probably, the register in which graves were registered.

Odeda Zlotnick
Searching:
KULIKOWER, BLASS, BOTTWIN-MELLER in Lemberg and Vienna;
LEISEROWITZ (LEIZEROVICI and variants), ZIGLER; COSULEANU in Iassy and Cosula,
Roumania
MENDELOWITSCH (MENDELWICZ) in Tomaszow Mazowietsky;
ZLOTNICK >from Lapici (Lapich) Belarus, FEIGIN in Minsk, Belarus

From: Jeffrey Herrmann <jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017

In researching my 18th and 19th century Herschel of Hamburg ancestors I came
across a book Memor-Buch die judischen Friedhofe in Wandsbek, by Naftali
Bar-Giora Bamberger with pictures of the gravestones at Wandsbek. In that
book there are footnotes discussing the inscriptions on the gravestones. Some
of the footnotes make reference to the "Kabronim Buch," sometimes abbreviated
K. B.

Can anyone tell me what the Kabronim Buch was?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Hamburg Kabronim Buch #general

Odeda Zlotnick
 

"Kabronim" is the Ashkenazi pronunciation of the Hebrew word "Kabranim".
A "kabran" is a gravedigger. The "Kabronim Buch" is the "Gravediggers' book" -
most probably, the register in which graves were registered.

Odeda Zlotnick
Searching:
KULIKOWER, BLASS, BOTTWIN-MELLER in Lemberg and Vienna;
LEISEROWITZ (LEIZEROVICI and variants), ZIGLER; COSULEANU in Iassy and Cosula,
Roumania
MENDELOWITSCH (MENDELWICZ) in Tomaszow Mazowietsky;
ZLOTNICK >from Lapici (Lapich) Belarus, FEIGIN in Minsk, Belarus

From: Jeffrey Herrmann <jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017

In researching my 18th and 19th century Herschel of Hamburg ancestors I came
across a book Memor-Buch die judischen Friedhofe in Wandsbek, by Naftali
Bar-Giora Bamberger with pictures of the gravestones at Wandsbek. In that
book there are footnotes discussing the inscriptions on the gravestones. Some
of the footnotes make reference to the "Kabronim Buch," sometimes abbreviated
K. B.

Can anyone tell me what the Kabronim Buch was?


Jewish deportees having fought in the French Foreign Legion #france

a.watson.genas@...
 

Dear Genners,

Whilst looking into the cases of Jews of German origin deported from
the French town of Drancy to the death camp of Auschwitz, I have found
that the 2 men of fighting age that I have so far investigated had
also enlisted in the French Foreign Legion. Both had seen active
service, according to their Foreign Legion papers, in Germany, Algeria
and Marocco; both had been living in France since at least 1934.
These two people (Werner MELCHIKER FFL matricule no. 1939/89262 =E2=80=93
deported 9 September 1942 & Wilhelm ROTHSCHILD FFL matricule no.
1939/91622 deported 2 March 1944) had first of all been interned by
the French government at the outbreak of WW2. Before the end of the
1939 they enlisted to join the Foreign Legion. They were demobilised
when the French capitulated and they both sought to live in what they
believed to be the safety of the so-called Zone-Libre of France.
Neither this, nor their service in the French Army saved them.

I was wondering if anybody on Jewishgen knows of other cases of this
kind, if so I would love to hear >from them.

I would also love to know if somebody has taken the time to fully
investigate cases similar to this so that I might be able to find out
just how many Jews of foreign birth enrolled in the French Foreign
Legion at this time, and what happened to them.

Having gained a certain experience of working with various French
archives, I am also happy to give my time to help people who might
think that members of their families suffered a similar fate.

With many thanks

Alexander Watson
Genas (near Lyon)
France


French SIG #France Jewish deportees having fought in the French Foreign Legion #france

a.watson.genas@...
 

Dear Genners,

Whilst looking into the cases of Jews of German origin deported from
the French town of Drancy to the death camp of Auschwitz, I have found
that the 2 men of fighting age that I have so far investigated had
also enlisted in the French Foreign Legion. Both had seen active
service, according to their Foreign Legion papers, in Germany, Algeria
and Marocco; both had been living in France since at least 1934.
These two people (Werner MELCHIKER FFL matricule no. 1939/89262 =E2=80=93
deported 9 September 1942 & Wilhelm ROTHSCHILD FFL matricule no.
1939/91622 deported 2 March 1944) had first of all been interned by
the French government at the outbreak of WW2. Before the end of the
1939 they enlisted to join the Foreign Legion. They were demobilised
when the French capitulated and they both sought to live in what they
believed to be the safety of the so-called Zone-Libre of France.
Neither this, nor their service in the French Army saved them.

I was wondering if anybody on Jewishgen knows of other cases of this
kind, if so I would love to hear >from them.

I would also love to know if somebody has taken the time to fully
investigate cases similar to this so that I might be able to find out
just how many Jews of foreign birth enrolled in the French Foreign
Legion at this time, and what happened to them.

Having gained a certain experience of working with various French
archives, I am also happy to give my time to help people who might
think that members of their families suffered a similar fate.

With many thanks

Alexander Watson
Genas (near Lyon)
France


WAGNER birth record 1819 Warsaw recorded 1824 for Izrael WAGNER 616, viewmate translation 63192 #poland

Judi Wagner
 

I would love some opinions on this birth record of Izrael Jacob WAGNER
born 1819, and it was recorded in 1824 in Warsaw, number 616, and
another record for a younger brother, Szlama born 1822 is also recorded
in 1824, number 617.

Our ggf Gecel ( Getzel or George) WAGNER was born in 1859 in Warsaw. We
had his birth record translated some time ago. His father was Izrael
WAGNER, and at the time of the recording of the birth in 1866, it says
Izrael was 41. So I figured he was born about 1825 or so. It also says
he was a trader in ironware.

Recently, the actual record, not just the index for Izrael WAGNER's
birth became available. I just put it up on Viewmate at #63192 and
before I knew it I had a translation >from Jonathan Michael Wien, and I
thank you again for the quick response, what a wonderful chanukah gift.

It says that Izrael Jacob was born in 1819 and it was recorded in 1824.
The father of Izrael Jacob is Izrael, and his father is Jacob, and
grandfather is Izrael.

Izrael's mother is Hinka and her father is Szlama. Both the parents of
Izrael are deceased. Possibly Izrael was a coachman. How cool is that?
WAGNER came >from waggoner, or wheel, so a coachman makes perfect sense.

So, my question is, is Izrael Jacob the father of Gecel? Gecel had 10
children. There is no Izrael, but there was a Jacob and a Szlama. No
Hinka, or Rochla, the wife of Izrael, or Sora, the mother of Rochla, or
Wulf, the father of Rochla.

What evidence should I be looking for? What will help us to determine
if this could be our family?

We do know that Gecel's father is Izrael >from his birth record.
It does not say Izrael Jacob. His birth record says his mother is Yetta
Kajla Hansfater (Herszenfuter) age 30. The father signs his name Izral
WAGNER.

I have been to the cemetery a few times, with boots, gloves and shears,
Mt Zion. The section, Judah-1 is so old there is NO map at the office.
I have been unable to find his grave, so I cannot see if his father's
hebrew name is Izrael Jacob.

Any suggestions for us on how to proceed?
Thanks as always for everyone's assistance,

Judi and Barry WAGNER
Florida and NYC
WAGNER, Warszawa

MODERATOR'S NOTE: For anyone who wants to look at the record referenced
above, it can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63207


JRI Poland #Poland WAGNER birth record 1819 Warsaw recorded 1824 for Izrael WAGNER 616, viewmate translation 63192 #poland

Judi Wagner
 

I would love some opinions on this birth record of Izrael Jacob WAGNER
born 1819, and it was recorded in 1824 in Warsaw, number 616, and
another record for a younger brother, Szlama born 1822 is also recorded
in 1824, number 617.

Our ggf Gecel ( Getzel or George) WAGNER was born in 1859 in Warsaw. We
had his birth record translated some time ago. His father was Izrael
WAGNER, and at the time of the recording of the birth in 1866, it says
Izrael was 41. So I figured he was born about 1825 or so. It also says
he was a trader in ironware.

Recently, the actual record, not just the index for Izrael WAGNER's
birth became available. I just put it up on Viewmate at #63192 and
before I knew it I had a translation >from Jonathan Michael Wien, and I
thank you again for the quick response, what a wonderful chanukah gift.

It says that Izrael Jacob was born in 1819 and it was recorded in 1824.
The father of Izrael Jacob is Izrael, and his father is Jacob, and
grandfather is Izrael.

Izrael's mother is Hinka and her father is Szlama. Both the parents of
Izrael are deceased. Possibly Izrael was a coachman. How cool is that?
WAGNER came >from waggoner, or wheel, so a coachman makes perfect sense.

So, my question is, is Izrael Jacob the father of Gecel? Gecel had 10
children. There is no Izrael, but there was a Jacob and a Szlama. No
Hinka, or Rochla, the wife of Izrael, or Sora, the mother of Rochla, or
Wulf, the father of Rochla.

What evidence should I be looking for? What will help us to determine
if this could be our family?

We do know that Gecel's father is Izrael >from his birth record.
It does not say Izrael Jacob. His birth record says his mother is Yetta
Kajla Hansfater (Herszenfuter) age 30. The father signs his name Izral
WAGNER.

I have been to the cemetery a few times, with boots, gloves and shears,
Mt Zion. The section, Judah-1 is so old there is NO map at the office.
I have been unable to find his grave, so I cannot see if his father's
hebrew name is Izrael Jacob.

Any suggestions for us on how to proceed?
Thanks as always for everyone's assistance,

Judi and Barry WAGNER
Florida and NYC
WAGNER, Warszawa

MODERATOR'S NOTE: For anyone who wants to look at the record referenced
above, it can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63207


Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #general

Yossi M. Yeinan <yosef@...>
 

Dear All,

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is the birth record, which I obtained not online but in person at a
small city hall in Poland, of my paternal grandmother Sara Winiarz.

Although I know that I am asking a lot, I am hoping for as complete
and literal a translation as possible.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63163

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Yossi Winiarz


JRI Poland #Poland Re: ViewMate translation request - Russian #poland

Yossi M. Yeinan <yosef@...>
 

Dear All,

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is the birth record, which I obtained not online but in person at a
small city hall in Poland, of my paternal grandmother Sara Winiarz.

Although I know that I am asking a lot, I am hoping for as complete
and literal a translation as possible.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63163

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thank you very much.

Yossi Winiarz


ViewMate translation requests- Romanian - RUBENSTAIN #general

freda <leiba@...>
 

Hi,
I've posted 2 vital records in Romanian for which I need translations.
They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63193
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63194

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Freda Leiba


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translation requests- Romanian - RUBENSTAIN #general

freda <leiba@...>
 

Hi,
I've posted 2 vital records in Romanian for which I need translations.
They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63193
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM63194

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Freda Leiba


WAGNER translated birth record Warszawa born 1819, is it ours? #general

Judi Wagner
 

I would love some opinions on this birth record of Izrael Jacob WAGNER born
1819, and it was recorded in 1824 in Warsaw, number 616, and another record
for a younger brother, Szlama born 1822 is also recorded in 1824, number 617.

Our ggf Gecel ( Getzel or George) WAGNER was born in 1859 in Warsaw. We had
his birth record translated some time ago. His father was Izrael WAGNER, and
at the time of the recording of the birth in 1866, it says Izrael was 41. So
I figured he was born about 1825 or so. It also says he was a trader in
ironware.

Recently, the actual record, not just the index for Izrael WAGNER's birth
became available. I just put it up on Viewmate at #63192 and before I knew it
I had a translation >from Jonathan Michael Wien, and I thank you again for the
quick response, what a wonderful chanukah gift.

It says that Izrael Jacob was born in 1819 and it was recorded in 1824. The
father of Izrael Jacob is Izrael, and his father is Jacob, and grandfather is
Izrael.

Izrael's mother is Hinka and her father is Szlama. Both the parents of Izrael
are deceased. Possibly Izrael was a coachman. How cool is that? WAGNER came
from waggoner, or wheel, so a coachman makes perfect sense.
So, my question is, is Izrael Jacob the father of Gecel? Gecel had 10
children. There is no Izrael, but there was a Jacob and a Szlama. No Hinka,
or Rochla, the wife of Izrael, or Sora, the mother of Rochla, or Wulf, the
father of Rochla.

What evidence should I be looking for? What will help us to determine if this
could be our family?

We do know that Gecel's father is Izrael >from his birth record. It does not
say Izrael Jacob. His birth record says his mother is Yetta Kajla Hansfater
(Herszenfuter) age 30. The father signs his name Izral WAGNER.

I have been to the cemetery a few times, with boots, gloves and shears, Mt
Zion. The section, Judah-1 is so old there is NO map at the office. I have
been unable to find his grave, so I cannot see if his father's hebrew name
is Izrael Jacob.

Any suggestions for us on how to proceed?

Thanks as always for everyone's assistance, as Phyllis Kramer always says, "
Isn't JewishGen wonderful?"

Judi and Barry WAGNER
WAGNER, Warszawa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WAGNER translated birth record Warszawa born 1819, is it ours? #general

Judi Wagner
 

I would love some opinions on this birth record of Izrael Jacob WAGNER born
1819, and it was recorded in 1824 in Warsaw, number 616, and another record
for a younger brother, Szlama born 1822 is also recorded in 1824, number 617.

Our ggf Gecel ( Getzel or George) WAGNER was born in 1859 in Warsaw. We had
his birth record translated some time ago. His father was Izrael WAGNER, and
at the time of the recording of the birth in 1866, it says Izrael was 41. So
I figured he was born about 1825 or so. It also says he was a trader in
ironware.

Recently, the actual record, not just the index for Izrael WAGNER's birth
became available. I just put it up on Viewmate at #63192 and before I knew it
I had a translation >from Jonathan Michael Wien, and I thank you again for the
quick response, what a wonderful chanukah gift.

It says that Izrael Jacob was born in 1819 and it was recorded in 1824. The
father of Izrael Jacob is Izrael, and his father is Jacob, and grandfather is
Izrael.

Izrael's mother is Hinka and her father is Szlama. Both the parents of Izrael
are deceased. Possibly Izrael was a coachman. How cool is that? WAGNER came
from waggoner, or wheel, so a coachman makes perfect sense.
So, my question is, is Izrael Jacob the father of Gecel? Gecel had 10
children. There is no Izrael, but there was a Jacob and a Szlama. No Hinka,
or Rochla, the wife of Izrael, or Sora, the mother of Rochla, or Wulf, the
father of Rochla.

What evidence should I be looking for? What will help us to determine if this
could be our family?

We do know that Gecel's father is Izrael >from his birth record. It does not
say Izrael Jacob. His birth record says his mother is Yetta Kajla Hansfater
(Herszenfuter) age 30. The father signs his name Izral WAGNER.

I have been to the cemetery a few times, with boots, gloves and shears, Mt
Zion. The section, Judah-1 is so old there is NO map at the office. I have
been unable to find his grave, so I cannot see if his father's hebrew name
is Izrael Jacob.

Any suggestions for us on how to proceed?

Thanks as always for everyone's assistance, as Phyllis Kramer always says, "
Isn't JewishGen wonderful?"

Judi and Barry WAGNER
WAGNER, Warszawa


Zjepjelin? #general

E Feinstein
 

Does anyone know a place called Zjepjelin in pre-1914 Russia? It could be in
Lithuania or Belarus.

Please let me know

Eric FEINSTEIN
New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zjepjelin? #general

E Feinstein
 

Does anyone know a place called Zjepjelin in pre-1914 Russia? It could be in
Lithuania or Belarus.

Please let me know

Eric FEINSTEIN
New Jersey


Suggestions for Genealogy Software and a Photo Scanner #general

loren greenberg <loren_greenberg_2004@...>
 

Hello,

I would appreciate suggestions for easy to use genealogy software for a Mac
and a good photo scanner.

Please respond privately.

Thank you.

Loren Greenberg
Los Angeles,California

greenberg.loren@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately via email directly to Loren.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Suggestions for Genealogy Software and a Photo Scanner #general

loren greenberg <loren_greenberg_2004@...>
 

Hello,

I would appreciate suggestions for easy to use genealogy software for a Mac
and a good photo scanner.

Please respond privately.

Thank you.

Loren Greenberg
Los Angeles,California

greenberg.loren@gmail.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately via email directly to Loren.


INTRO - researching HERSCHEL family from Hamburg, Germany and environs #germany

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
about 5 years. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in London, UK. My native language
is English and I also know a bit of German.
I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience in
using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death date of my great great great
grandfather. Hew was born 9 Oct 1800 in Hamburg and was named
Bernhard Passach HERSCHEL. At the age of 20 he changed his name to
Bernhard nton HERRMANN. He died in Hamburg on 29 May 1876.
Bernhard's father was Meyer Michel HERSCHEL, born 1777-1781 in
Hamburg. He died on 21 Jun 1817.
Bernhard's mother was Louise WOLFF, born 28 Mar 1780 in Halle,
Germany. She died on 13 Aug 1860.

My primary research goals now are to find out:about the ancestry and
descendants of the HERSCHELs of Hamburg, and also to learn more about
the ancestry of Louise WOLFF of Halle.

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 681982.

Jeffrey Herrmann, London UK jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching HERSCHEL family from Hamburg, Germany and environs #germany

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
about 5 years. I consider myself to be a beginner in doing German
Jewish Genealogy research. I live in London, UK. My native language
is English and I also know a bit of German.
I consider myself advanced in using a computer. My experience in
using the Internet is extensive.

I have identified the names and birth and death date of my great great great
grandfather. Hew was born 9 Oct 1800 in Hamburg and was named
Bernhard Passach HERSCHEL. At the age of 20 he changed his name to
Bernhard nton HERRMANN. He died in Hamburg on 29 May 1876.
Bernhard's father was Meyer Michel HERSCHEL, born 1777-1781 in
Hamburg. He died on 21 Jun 1817.
Bernhard's mother was Louise WOLFF, born 28 Mar 1780 in Halle,
Germany. She died on 13 Aug 1860.

My primary research goals now are to find out:about the ancestry and
descendants of the HERSCHELs of Hamburg, and also to learn more about
the ancestry of Louise WOLFF of Halle.

My JGFF Researcher ID number is 681982.

Jeffrey Herrmann, London UK jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com


Re: WEINBERG in Dortmond, Germany #germany

Phyllis Kramer
 

Dina Hill asked.......... if there is any information on the town of
Dortmond, Germany?
Has information been extracted for the Jewish people who were born there?

I would begin with the JewishGen Communities Page for the town; it is at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1761123
Lots of interesting information on this Prussian town...including the
Jewish population of 1,924 (in 1900), 3,820 (in 1925). Also look at the
nearby towns to become familiar, so that when you research Weinberg you'll
find the ones >from Dortmond and the towns nearby.

I would start with the JGFF link on the page...and contact the other
researcher interested in Weinberg.

Then go to the German country database (there's a link on the page) to
see what information it might contain.

Lastly I would go to the German Special Interest Group (there's also a
link on the page), join and send your query to the German SIG
discussion list.

If you are really serious, I'd go to the archives of the German SIG
and see if anyone else has posted about your surname and town.

Happy Hunting and Happy New Year...Dina

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: WEINBERG in Dortmond, Germany #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Dina Hill asked.......... if there is any information on the town of
Dortmond, Germany?
Has information been extracted for the Jewish people who were born there?

I would begin with the JewishGen Communities Page for the town; it is at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1761123
Lots of interesting information on this Prussian town...including the
Jewish population of 1,924 (in 1900), 3,820 (in 1925). Also look at the
nearby towns to become familiar, so that when you research Weinberg you'll
find the ones >from Dortmond and the towns nearby.

I would start with the JGFF link on the page...and contact the other
researcher interested in Weinberg.

Then go to the German country database (there's a link on the page) to
see what information it might contain.

Lastly I would go to the German Special Interest Group (there's also a
link on the page), join and send your query to the German SIG
discussion list.

If you are really serious, I'd go to the archives of the German SIG
and see if anyone else has posted about your surname and town.

Happy Hunting and Happy New Year...Dina

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: https://www.JewishGen.org/education
family web site: https://KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm

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