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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is "Reslawa", Russia? #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

memsp@... wrote on 08 Feb 2018 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

My husband's grandfather came to NY in 1907. On the manifest he listed
his last address as Reslawa, Russia.
When I "googled" this all I got was Radzilow.
Are these one and the same?
Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.
Methinks that is most probable.

The JewishGen Communities Database shows:

Radzilow, Poland
Before c1900: Russian Empire
Alternate names: Radzilow [Pol], Rodzilova [Yid], Radziluv [Rus], Radzhilov,
Radzilove, Radzilovo
Region: Lomza
Jewish Population: 891 (in 1897), 671 (in 1921)
<https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-525026>

However using the Jewishgen Gazetteer,
<https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp>
Search method: Sounds Like — Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex:
many more small places, be it without known Jewish settlement,
pop up in Russia, Poland, Baltics, etc:

Number of matches = 90

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
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Re: Where is "Reslawa", Russia? #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

memsp@... wrote on 08 Feb 2018 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

My husband's grandfather came to NY in 1907. On the manifest he listed
his last address as Reslawa, Russia.
When I "googled" this all I got was Radzilow.
Are these one and the same?
Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.
Methinks that is most probable.

The JewishGen Communities Database shows:

Radzilow, Poland
Before c1900: Russian Empire
Alternate names: Radzilow [Pol], Rodzilova [Yid], Radziluv [Rus], Radzhilov,
Radzilove, Radzilovo
Region: Lomza
Jewish Population: 891 (in 1897), 671 (in 1921)
<https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-525026>

However using the Jewishgen Gazetteer,
<https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp>
Search method: Sounds Like — Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex:
many more small places, be it without known Jewish settlement,
pop up in Russia, Poland, Baltics, etc:

Number of matches = 90

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Given name Kisiel in Galicia #general

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

For the Rhine-Palatinate region in Germany Kisel or Kissel or Kusel was used
short for Yekutiel, as noted in the Alzey Memor Book (kept n Israel National
Library):

Yekutiel called Kossil or Kossel (died 1778), his son Elieser, called Lasi,
(1750-1829) adopted the family name Kusel in 1808.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany


Re: Given name Kisiel in Galicia #general

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

For the Rhine-Palatinate region in Germany Kisel or Kissel or Kusel was used
short for Yekutiel, as noted in the Alzey Memor Book (kept n Israel National
Library):

Yekutiel called Kossil or Kossel (died 1778), his son Elieser, called Lasi,
(1750-1829) adopted the family name Kusel in 1808.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey, Germany


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Given Name Kisiel in Galicia #general

Percy Mett
 

Alexander Sharon is 100% correct.
The name which is rendered Yekutiel was pronounced throughout Poland and
Galicia "Yekisiel" (this is a matter of fact, not opinion) an indeed is still
pronounced that way by those with roots in Poland and Galicia.

In common with other Hebrew names beginning with Ye- (e.g. Yechezkel,
Yerachmiel), the initial Ye- was frequently dropped, leaving Kisiel.

The name Kasriel is a different name.

Perets Mett
London


Re: Given Name Kisiel in Galicia #general

Percy Mett
 

Alexander Sharon is 100% correct.
The name which is rendered Yekutiel was pronounced throughout Poland and
Galicia "Yekisiel" (this is a matter of fact, not opinion) an indeed is still
pronounced that way by those with roots in Poland and Galicia.

In common with other Hebrew names beginning with Ye- (e.g. Yechezkel,
Yerachmiel), the initial Ye- was frequently dropped, leaving Kisiel.

The name Kasriel is a different name.

Perets Mett
London


Re: Russian Guilds - Goldsmiths, Watchmakers #belarus

djbrook@...
 

You might look at these two articles in the Yivo Encyclopedia:
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/printarticle.aspx?id=334 and
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Guilds Pretty sure goldsmithing
and watchmaking are not the same guilds; they are very different crafts.

Doris Brook, Portland Oregon
Researching: BROOK/BRUK/ BORUKH, GOROCHOW/GOROCHOV, ZADOV/ZADOFF -
Seliba/Bobruisk, Belarus; BRESSLER/BRESLER, OLSTEIN/OLSTEYN - Przasnyz,
Poland; BERKOWITZ/BERCOVICI- Iasi, Roumania

Subject: Russian guilds - gold & silversmiths, and watchmakers
From: Karen Amato <kamato@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:41:15 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

In the 1858 census for the town of Mstislavl, Belarus, my ancestor is listed
as a member of the gold and silversmith guild. Another ancestor was a
member of the watchmakers guild. Is the watchmakers guild the same as the
gold and silversmith guild, or are they two separate guilds? Does anyone
have information or family history associated with these guilds?
Any sources where I can learn more about them.

Thank you,
Karen Milstone Amato
PONARSKY in Medyn (province of Kaluga), Mstislavl IZAKSON/ISAACSON,
KEHIFATS/KEYFETZ in Mogilev, Rogachev ABRAMSON in Mogilev, Moscow


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Russian Guilds - Goldsmiths, Watchmakers #belarus

djbrook@...
 

You might look at these two articles in the Yivo Encyclopedia:
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/printarticle.aspx?id=334 and
http://www.yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/Guilds Pretty sure goldsmithing
and watchmaking are not the same guilds; they are very different crafts.

Doris Brook, Portland Oregon
Researching: BROOK/BRUK/ BORUKH, GOROCHOW/GOROCHOV, ZADOV/ZADOFF -
Seliba/Bobruisk, Belarus; BRESSLER/BRESLER, OLSTEIN/OLSTEYN - Przasnyz,
Poland; BERKOWITZ/BERCOVICI- Iasi, Roumania

Subject: Russian guilds - gold & silversmiths, and watchmakers
From: Karen Amato <kamato@...>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:41:15 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

In the 1858 census for the town of Mstislavl, Belarus, my ancestor is listed
as a member of the gold and silversmith guild. Another ancestor was a
member of the watchmakers guild. Is the watchmakers guild the same as the
gold and silversmith guild, or are they two separate guilds? Does anyone
have information or family history associated with these guilds?
Any sources where I can learn more about them.

Thank you,
Karen Milstone Amato
PONARSKY in Medyn (province of Kaluga), Mstislavl IZAKSON/ISAACSON,
KEHIFATS/KEYFETZ in Mogilev, Rogachev ABRAMSON in Mogilev, Moscow


Re: Seeking information about the KREBOSHAY family from Byerazino #belarus

Daniel Chernin <dchernin@...>
 

From: Daniel Chernin [mailto:dchernin@...]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:09 AM
To: 'belarus@...' <belarus@...>
Subject: Seeking information about the Kreboshay family >from Byerazino

Hello. My grandmother came to the U.S. (New York) >from Byerezino in January
1914. The manifest lists her name as Scheine Kriwoschay, but her
naturalization petition lists it as KREBOSHAY. On her marriage certificate
(she married Louis Chernin in Wilke-Barre, PA in 1916), she lists her
father's name as "Sam" (Shmuel?) and her mother's maiden name as Anna
Volman. She was met at the boat by Sam Rosenberg (listed as her
brother-in-law), who lived at 246 Clinton Street and was married to Celia
(maiden name Friedlander). My father told me that my grandmother's parents
were murdered around the end WWI: I would like to find out what happened to
them.

If you have any information about the Krebochay (Kreboshayov?) family from
Byerazino, or about any of the people listed above, please let me know.

Dan Chernin
Acton, MA
USA
dchernin@...

FAMILIES BEING RESEARCHED: KREBOSHAY, ROSENBERG, FRIEDLANDER


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Seeking information about the KREBOSHAY family from Byerazino #belarus

Daniel Chernin <dchernin@...>
 

From: Daniel Chernin [mailto:dchernin@...]
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:09 AM
To: 'belarus@...' <belarus@...>
Subject: Seeking information about the Kreboshay family >from Byerazino

Hello. My grandmother came to the U.S. (New York) >from Byerezino in January
1914. The manifest lists her name as Scheine Kriwoschay, but her
naturalization petition lists it as KREBOSHAY. On her marriage certificate
(she married Louis Chernin in Wilke-Barre, PA in 1916), she lists her
father's name as "Sam" (Shmuel?) and her mother's maiden name as Anna
Volman. She was met at the boat by Sam Rosenberg (listed as her
brother-in-law), who lived at 246 Clinton Street and was married to Celia
(maiden name Friedlander). My father told me that my grandmother's parents
were murdered around the end WWI: I would like to find out what happened to
them.

If you have any information about the Krebochay (Kreboshayov?) family from
Byerazino, or about any of the people listed above, please let me know.

Dan Chernin
Acton, MA
USA
dchernin@...

FAMILIES BEING RESEARCHED: KREBOSHAY, ROSENBERG, FRIEDLANDER


Berlin-Weissensee cemetery burial Look Up #germany

E Feinstein
 

This is Eric Feinstein >from Clifton, New Jersey.
I wanted to know if anyone in Berlin--or Germany for that matter
could please assist us with the Berlin-Weissensee cemetery look up
to see if someone was buried there in 1916.
His name was
WOLFF Dr.med.Julius born in Rummelsburg in Pommern 09-Jul-1866
gestorben von Verw.-Laz.in Birkenwerder aus, in Berlin-Reinickendorf
05-Aug-1916.

Please let me know. Thank you in advance. All the best

Eric Feinstein, Clifton, New Jersey ericfeinstein@...
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Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp


German SIG #Germany Berlin-Weissensee cemetery burial Look Up #germany

E Feinstein
 

This is Eric Feinstein >from Clifton, New Jersey.
I wanted to know if anyone in Berlin--or Germany for that matter
could please assist us with the Berlin-Weissensee cemetery look up
to see if someone was buried there in 1916.
His name was
WOLFF Dr.med.Julius born in Rummelsburg in Pommern 09-Jul-1866
gestorben von Verw.-Laz.in Birkenwerder aus, in Berlin-Reinickendorf
05-Aug-1916.

Please let me know. Thank you in advance. All the best

Eric Feinstein, Clifton, New Jersey ericfeinstein@...
< ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >
Please thank those who help you and support ViewMate, JewishGen
and GerSIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Honors/
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hebrew name #hungary

tom
 

in general, hungarian jews did not follow the same naming pattern as=
polish/russian jews. they did not start >from the child's jewish name, and=
then adapt it as necessary for secular purposes. instead, they frequently=
gave the child a secular name, and an unrelated jewish name. in my=
experience, the person was known entirely by their secular name, with their=
jewish name sometimes being almost forgotten.

on the one hand, it's odd to find jews with very non-jewish secular names=
ranging >from atilla to zoltan and everything between, where there just=
isn't a jewish "equivalent". but even where the secular name is clearly of=
biblical origin, quite often the jewish name selected was completely=
unrelated. for example, a secular of simon with a jewish name of yehoshua,=
or an eva with jewish name sarah. and not even by similar sounds, as in=
lajos to shlomo, or erzsebet to feigele.

almost as if not matching was a "thing".


=2E...... tom klein, toronto


ps. havaya is an obscure biblical name, and you should be able to find it in=
the jewishgen given names database.

iris.edit1@... wrote:

I found the Hebrew name of my anscestor Jacob (Jakab) seems to be
Havaya (=D7?=D7?=D7?=D7?).
At the beginning I thought I misread the name, but while searching
more pages, I found at least twice more this Hebrew name connected to
Jacob.
I would appreaciate if someone knows what is that name Havaya, and why
is it connected to Jacob.
A photo of the written registry can be found on ViewMate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM64180


Re: Hebrew name #hungary

tom
 

in general, hungarian jews did not follow the same naming pattern as=
polish/russian jews. they did not start >from the child's jewish name, and=
then adapt it as necessary for secular purposes. instead, they frequently=
gave the child a secular name, and an unrelated jewish name. in my=
experience, the person was known entirely by their secular name, with their=
jewish name sometimes being almost forgotten.

on the one hand, it's odd to find jews with very non-jewish secular names=
ranging >from atilla to zoltan and everything between, where there just=
isn't a jewish "equivalent". but even where the secular name is clearly of=
biblical origin, quite often the jewish name selected was completely=
unrelated. for example, a secular of simon with a jewish name of yehoshua,=
or an eva with jewish name sarah. and not even by similar sounds, as in=
lajos to shlomo, or erzsebet to feigele.

almost as if not matching was a "thing".


=2E...... tom klein, toronto


ps. havaya is an obscure biblical name, and you should be able to find it in=
the jewishgen given names database.

iris.edit1@... wrote:

I found the Hebrew name of my anscestor Jacob (Jakab) seems to be
Havaya (=D7?=D7?=D7?=D7?).
At the beginning I thought I misread the name, but while searching
more pages, I found at least twice more this Hebrew name connected to
Jacob.
I would appreaciate if someone knows what is that name Havaya, and why
is it connected to Jacob.
A photo of the written registry can be found on ViewMate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM64180


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Jewish NObility #hungary

smartlines@...
 

Re: Jewish Nobility

Those who read Hungarian B=E9la Kempelen's book (Magyar nemes =
csal=E1dok) may be
a useful source. It is available at Arcanum (arcanum.hu) together with
thousands of other useful - and fully searchable - documents. Arcanum =
has
English pages, as well.

Also recommended: "Wer einmal war" - The Jewish Grand Bourgoisie of =
Vienna
1800-1938 - The database at genteam.at is an index to the book by Georg
Gaugusch: "Wer einmal war" - The Jewish Grand Bourgoisie of Vienna
1800-1938, published by the Amalthea-Publishing House.
The first volume with the letters A-K appeared in print in November =
2011,
contains 1.700 pages and covers about 250 families (ISBN: =
978-3850027502).
You can find more information about this project at =
www.jewishfamilies.at

The Society of Hungarian Family Researchers (MACSE) offers an almost
complete list of name changes at its website: macse.hu. Non-members may =
also
access this database. (Unlike the database of birth, marriage and death
registers accessible only for members. Annual membership costs about EUR
15,-)

Please note that Herman's Hungarian equivalent is Armin.=20

If you need reliable and inexpensive translators, please let us know. =
Our
group is always ready to help fellow researchers.

Andras Hirschler
co-ordinator, Jewish Genealogical Working Group, MACSE

Moderator: Please, please, please do not just hit reply! Make sure to include a
subject line that describes the message and delete all messages other than the one
to which you are responding. Your moderator is a volunteer who would really appreciate
your cooperation on this very, very, simple issue.


Re: Jewish NObility #hungary

smartlines@...
 

Re: Jewish Nobility

Those who read Hungarian B=E9la Kempelen's book (Magyar nemes =
csal=E1dok) may be
a useful source. It is available at Arcanum (arcanum.hu) together with
thousands of other useful - and fully searchable - documents. Arcanum =
has
English pages, as well.

Also recommended: "Wer einmal war" - The Jewish Grand Bourgoisie of =
Vienna
1800-1938 - The database at genteam.at is an index to the book by Georg
Gaugusch: "Wer einmal war" - The Jewish Grand Bourgoisie of Vienna
1800-1938, published by the Amalthea-Publishing House.
The first volume with the letters A-K appeared in print in November =
2011,
contains 1.700 pages and covers about 250 families (ISBN: =
978-3850027502).
You can find more information about this project at =
www.jewishfamilies.at

The Society of Hungarian Family Researchers (MACSE) offers an almost
complete list of name changes at its website: macse.hu. Non-members may =
also
access this database. (Unlike the database of birth, marriage and death
registers accessible only for members. Annual membership costs about EUR
15,-)

Please note that Herman's Hungarian equivalent is Armin.=20

If you need reliable and inexpensive translators, please let us know. =
Our
group is always ready to help fellow researchers.

Andras Hirschler
co-ordinator, Jewish Genealogical Working Group, MACSE

Moderator: Please, please, please do not just hit reply! Make sure to include a
subject line that describes the message and delete all messages other than the one
to which you are responding. Your moderator is a volunteer who would really appreciate
your cooperation on this very, very, simple issue.


JRI Poland #Poland Strategy for locating ancestor's siblings? #poland

Debbie Terman
 

While finding the parents of an ancestor can be straightforward (such
as if that ancestor's birth record is located), I've struggled to
figure out how to find siblings of the ancestor. Sometimes I get lucky
and find an exactly spelled same last name that has a birth record
available and can match the parents. And sometimes an immigration
records pops up with a whole family.

But for a very common last name, that might be spelled in slightly
different ways for the siblings, and/or family members who did not
leave their countries of origin, are there any more effective
alternatives than looking through dozens or hundreds of birth records
checking for matching parents? (Or is that the "fun" part of
researching?)

Thanks for any tips.

Debbie


Strategy for locating ancestor's siblings? #poland

Debbie Terman
 

While finding the parents of an ancestor can be straightforward (such
as if that ancestor's birth record is located), I've struggled to
figure out how to find siblings of the ancestor. Sometimes I get lucky
and find an exactly spelled same last name that has a birth record
available and can match the parents. And sometimes an immigration
records pops up with a whole family.

But for a very common last name, that might be spelled in slightly
different ways for the siblings, and/or family members who did not
leave their countries of origin, are there any more effective
alternatives than looking through dozens or hundreds of birth records
checking for matching parents? (Or is that the "fun" part of
researching?)

Thanks for any tips.

Debbie


JRI Poland #Poland FW: Researching WOSNITZER & KOPF Tarnow Austria #poland

hudsoncorp@...
 

Recently began researching family history:

ggf-Max WOSNITZER-1/1858, Tarnow, Austria-1/1931,Newark, New Jersey USA
married Lena KOPF circa 1877 in Tarnow

ggm-Lena KOPF 1868, Tarnow, Austria-1948, Newark, New Jersey USA

gf-Abe WOSNITZER 5/30/1880, Tarnow, Austria-7/1968-East Orange, New Jersey
USA

Immigration: Tarnow, Austria, via Cherbourg, France to New York, then to
Newark, New Jersey 1881

Regards
William R. Wosnitzer, Point Pleasant Boro, New Jersey USA,
mailto:hudsoncorp@...
JGFF researcher #777268
English only


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Russian #poland

Debbie Terman
 

I've posted a vital record in Russian for which I need a translation.
It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM64208

This is the birth record of Szlama Zylberman. I would like to know the
birth date, names of parents, and ages of parents at time of Szlama's
birth.

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.
Thank you very much.
Debbie Cohn Terman

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