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New Vilnius Foreign Passports File Received and Added to Internal Passport Site #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

Two new files of Vilnius Foreign Passport Applications have been received
and added to the Vilnius Internal Passport site of LitvakSIG.

The new files contain registration #s JU49643-JU50400 (1,032 records) and
JU50401-JU50902 (836 records).

The translations were paid by your contributions to LitvakSIG for Internal
Passports. Additional funds are needed to complete translation of this
Foreign Passport collection. Your generosity is appreciated.

If you are not yet a qualifying contributor to the Vilnius Internal /
Foreign Passport project, you may make your $100 contribution on the
LitvakSIG website at
https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/

Scroll down and select Special Project, then choose Internal Passports from
the drop-down list.

These passports will become freely searchable in the LitvakSIG All Lithuania
Database (ALD) and the JewishGen Lithuania Database in about 18 months.

Happy hunting,

Eden Joachim
Coordinator, IP & Foreign Passports Project
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New Vilnius Foreign Passports File Received and Added to Internal Passport Site #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

Two new files of Vilnius Foreign Passport Applications have been received
and added to the Vilnius Internal Passport site of LitvakSIG.

The new files contain registration #s JU49643-JU50400 (1,032 records) and
JU50401-JU50902 (836 records).

The translations were paid by your contributions to LitvakSIG for Internal
Passports. Additional funds are needed to complete translation of this
Foreign Passport collection. Your generosity is appreciated.

If you are not yet a qualifying contributor to the Vilnius Internal /
Foreign Passport project, you may make your $100 contribution on the
LitvakSIG website at
https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/

Scroll down and select Special Project, then choose Internal Passports from
the drop-down list.

These passports will become freely searchable in the LitvakSIG All Lithuania
Database (ALD) and the JewishGen Lithuania Database in about 18 months.

Happy hunting,

Eden Joachim
Coordinator, IP & Foreign Passports Project
Translations in Yiddish or Hebrew #poland

Jeff Miller
 

I've posted the Yiddish (or Hebrew) messages >from three family picture
postcards depicting a family member or members on the front and message to
be translated on the back. Each postcard, not shown here, is possibly
informing New York family about a family event in town of Ostroleka Poland.
I would like a complete translation of left and right sides.
The text is on Viewmate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66766

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66765

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66764

What I know about the family is my grandmother Jennie (Shayndl) Fraider
married Mordechai/Mottel/Max Mlynarz/Miller >from Ostroleka Poland in New
York in November 1916.

Please respond via the form provided in the Viewmate application.

Thank you very much.

Jeff Miller
in Poland: Mlynarz/Miller, Berzinsky/Brzezinski/Burzynski,
Proginsky/Proginski, and Shapowitz/Szapowicz, Spivak
in Ukraine: Freider/Fraider, Braslowsky, Trachtenbroit, Scheib, Zohn,
Geller, Koenig, Rosenzweig, Waltzer
JRI Poland #Poland Translations in Yiddish or Hebrew #poland

Jeff Miller
 

I've posted the Yiddish (or Hebrew) messages >from three family picture
postcards depicting a family member or members on the front and message to
be translated on the back. Each postcard, not shown here, is possibly
informing New York family about a family event in town of Ostroleka Poland.
I would like a complete translation of left and right sides.
The text is on Viewmate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66766

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66765

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM66764

What I know about the family is my grandmother Jennie (Shayndl) Fraider
married Mordechai/Mottel/Max Mlynarz/Miller >from Ostroleka Poland in New
York in November 1916.

Please respond via the form provided in the Viewmate application.

Thank you very much.

Jeff Miller
in Poland: Mlynarz/Miller, Berzinsky/Brzezinski/Burzynski,
Proginsky/Proginski, and Shapowitz/Szapowicz, Spivak
in Ukraine: Freider/Fraider, Braslowsky, Trachtenbroit, Scheib, Zohn,
Geller, Koenig, Rosenzweig, Waltzer
Gesher Galicia comes to the Philadelphia area #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Andrew Zalewski, a Gesher Galicia board member and editor of our
research journal, "The Galitzianer," will be the featured speaker at a
lunch-and-learn program on

"Jewish Trailblazers and Rebels"

at Gratz College, Elkins Park, PA, on Wednesday, May 30, 12:15 p.m. to
1:30 p.m. We encourage fellow Galitzianers who live in the Philadelphia
area to take advantage of this opportunity to enjoy Andrew's enlightening
and entertaining presentation.

The story of the Jewish people is replete with tales of perseverance.
Andrew will describe the Galician medical globetrotters, men and women,
who challenged the norms of society in search of education -- often
provoking heated debates within their communities. The audience will
travel the world with these trailblazing Galician Jews and unlock
surprising secrets >from archival records and maps. The information will
be of value to everyone interested in Jewish genealogy.

Andrew Zalewski is a physician and former professor of medicine at
Jefferson University, Philadelphia. The author of two books, "Galician
Trails: The Forgotten Story of One Family" and "Galician Portraits: In
Search of Jewish Roots," he is a frequent speaker at IAJGS conferences,
JGS meetings, and cultural and academic institutions in the U.S. and
abroad.

Registration (required) is $18 (by May 21), $20 (May 22 on), including
lunch. To learn more and to register go to
http://gratz.edu/event/lunch-and-learn-jewish-trailblazers-and-rebels

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
for Gesher Galicia
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Gesher Galicia comes to the Philadelphia area #galicia

Renee Steinig
 

Andrew Zalewski, a Gesher Galicia board member and editor of our
research journal, "The Galitzianer," will be the featured speaker at a
lunch-and-learn program on

"Jewish Trailblazers and Rebels"

at Gratz College, Elkins Park, PA, on Wednesday, May 30, 12:15 p.m. to
1:30 p.m. We encourage fellow Galitzianers who live in the Philadelphia
area to take advantage of this opportunity to enjoy Andrew's enlightening
and entertaining presentation.

The story of the Jewish people is replete with tales of perseverance.
Andrew will describe the Galician medical globetrotters, men and women,
who challenged the norms of society in search of education -- often
provoking heated debates within their communities. The audience will
travel the world with these trailblazing Galician Jews and unlock
surprising secrets >from archival records and maps. The information will
be of value to everyone interested in Jewish genealogy.

Andrew Zalewski is a physician and former professor of medicine at
Jefferson University, Philadelphia. The author of two books, "Galician
Trails: The Forgotten Story of One Family" and "Galician Portraits: In
Search of Jewish Roots," he is a frequent speaker at IAJGS conferences,
JGS meetings, and cultural and academic institutions in the U.S. and
abroad.

Registration (required) is $18 (by May 21), $20 (May 22 on), including
lunch. To learn more and to register go to
http://gratz.edu/event/lunch-and-learn-jewish-trailblazers-and-rebels

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
for Gesher Galicia
Re: questions #general

tom
 

welcome!

yes, there is an archive of messages - look under the "databases" button, on the
right side near the top you'll see links to the message archives
(https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm).

....... tom klein, toronto

Lisa Liel <lisa@starways.net> wrote:
[snip!]
Is there an archive of posts to this list so that I can read through
it and hopefully not ask questions that have already been asked and
answered?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: questions #general

tom
 

welcome!

yes, there is an archive of messages - look under the "databases" button, on the
right side near the top you'll see links to the message archives
(https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm).

....... tom klein, toronto

Lisa Liel <lisa@starways.net> wrote:
[snip!]
Is there an archive of posts to this list so that I can read through
it and hopefully not ask questions that have already been asked and
answered?
Searching for town "Columbia, Poland" #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Lauren,

Sounds like you have done quite a bit a searching already. In genealogy
there is the idea of a "FAN club" when you have a brick wall: Friends
(Family), Associates & Neighbors.

If you are not familiar with the concept, there is an excellent online
article by Elizabeth Shown Mills entitled: "QuickLesson 11: Identity
Problems & the FAN Principle"

Did your immigrant ancestor have siblings? Have you checked records for
those people. Have you looked up where the people living next to your
immigrant ancestor were from, based on census detail? What about where
those in the cemetery section were from? What was his profession ? Then
perhaps consult NYC directories to see if he worked with anyone and see
where they are from. It sounds like you have experience, so I am sure
you can expand on the application of the FAN Club for your research question.

Good luck with your exhaustive (and exhausting) search.

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for town "Columbia, Poland" #general

Moishe Miller
 

Dear Lauren,

Sounds like you have done quite a bit a searching already. In genealogy
there is the idea of a "FAN club" when you have a brick wall: Friends
(Family), Associates & Neighbors.

If you are not familiar with the concept, there is an excellent online
article by Elizabeth Shown Mills entitled: "QuickLesson 11: Identity
Problems & the FAN Principle"

Did your immigrant ancestor have siblings? Have you checked records for
those people. Have you looked up where the people living next to your
immigrant ancestor were from, based on census detail? What about where
those in the cemetery section were from? What was his profession ? Then
perhaps consult NYC directories to see if he worked with anyone and see
where they are from. It sounds like you have experience, so I am sure
you can expand on the application of the FAN Club for your research question.

Good luck with your exhaustive (and exhausting) search.

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com
Revision Lists, Estate, Category of Jews #general

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I was working on a "2nd reading" for Akkerman records of 1874 and decided to share
with you some information.

First, this information is not related just to Bessarabia, but rather to all
JewishGen regions.

The are many types of records we put into "Revision Lists": General Lists, Special
Lists, Alphabetical Lists, Revision Lists, and more. Every such list has a
specific meaning and features.

Before going into the details, I need to point you to a presentation I did on the
Jewish Genealogical Conference in Paris in 2012: "Estate and other categories of
Jews in Bessarabia, Russia in the 19th century." Here is the link:
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/conferences/2012/EstateOfJewsinBessarabia.pdf
That article gives you an understanding what Estates or Categories of Jews one had
to be part of. The Jews were obliged to join one of several Estates or Classes or
Categories: "Meshchane" - we translate into Middle Class, "Kuptsy" - Merchants
(this is not a profession, but a large category.

Go back to the records... Jews used to live in many towns in Russian Empire, but
they also had to register in one of the Estate, and in many cases the town they
were registered was not the town they lived in.

Revision Lists are the list of people where they were registered, not necessary
where they lived. The Common List or Alphabetical List are the lists of people in
towns, they where were living.

I am working for Akkerman "Common List" for Akkerman with about 450 Jews, and also
for Akkerman uezd with 550 Jews. For the list of Akkerman about 50% of Jews were
registered in different towns in Bessarabia or other gubernias - Podolia, Volyn,
Vilno, Kiev. For the list of Akkerman uezd all 100% of Jews were registered in
other places! It seems that they did not have Jewish Societies to Register.
In these lists you will see the town where people lived and also in the comments
the town, uezd, gubernia where they were registered.

My question is to all of you - Why a family lived in Tarutino, Akkerman uezd,
Bessarabia and was registered in Volyn gub., Rovno? It is not that they were
registered somewhere online or by mail... the only reason I see is that most
likely at some point they lived in Rovno, and possible came to Bessarabia to work
or for a marriage... I wish that all our databases were connected and you do not
need to search in a dozen different places, but search in one and get all
references to that name/town.

If you never searched Romania (Bessarabia) database, I invite you to do so, and
you may be able to find your ancestors who travelled >from far away to Bessarabia
to get some privileges or to start a family.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: For those of you who have searched on JewishGen databases, you will
probably have noted that search results are not restricted to people >from the town
or region in which you searched, but pull in results >from many different resources.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Revision Lists, Estate, Category of Jews #general

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

I was working on a "2nd reading" for Akkerman records of 1874 and decided to share
with you some information.

First, this information is not related just to Bessarabia, but rather to all
JewishGen regions.

The are many types of records we put into "Revision Lists": General Lists, Special
Lists, Alphabetical Lists, Revision Lists, and more. Every such list has a
specific meaning and features.

Before going into the details, I need to point you to a presentation I did on the
Jewish Genealogical Conference in Paris in 2012: "Estate and other categories of
Jews in Bessarabia, Russia in the 19th century." Here is the link:
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/conferences/2012/EstateOfJewsinBessarabia.pdf
That article gives you an understanding what Estates or Categories of Jews one had
to be part of. The Jews were obliged to join one of several Estates or Classes or
Categories: "Meshchane" - we translate into Middle Class, "Kuptsy" - Merchants
(this is not a profession, but a large category.

Go back to the records... Jews used to live in many towns in Russian Empire, but
they also had to register in one of the Estate, and in many cases the town they
were registered was not the town they lived in.

Revision Lists are the list of people where they were registered, not necessary
where they lived. The Common List or Alphabetical List are the lists of people in
towns, they where were living.

I am working for Akkerman "Common List" for Akkerman with about 450 Jews, and also
for Akkerman uezd with 550 Jews. For the list of Akkerman about 50% of Jews were
registered in different towns in Bessarabia or other gubernias - Podolia, Volyn,
Vilno, Kiev. For the list of Akkerman uezd all 100% of Jews were registered in
other places! It seems that they did not have Jewish Societies to Register.
In these lists you will see the town where people lived and also in the comments
the town, uezd, gubernia where they were registered.

My question is to all of you - Why a family lived in Tarutino, Akkerman uezd,
Bessarabia and was registered in Volyn gub., Rovno? It is not that they were
registered somewhere online or by mail... the only reason I see is that most
likely at some point they lived in Rovno, and possible came to Bessarabia to work
or for a marriage... I wish that all our databases were connected and you do not
need to search in a dozen different places, but search in one and get all
references to that name/town.

If you never searched Romania (Bessarabia) database, I invite you to do so, and
you may be able to find your ancestors who travelled >from far away to Bessarabia
to get some privileges or to start a family.

All the best,
Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leader and Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: For those of you who have searched on JewishGen databases, you will
probably have noted that search results are not restricted to people >from the town
or region in which you searched, but pull in results >from many different resources.
Gele and Karolina #general

Jay Paul
 

I am hoping to find out more information about what appears to be a diminutive
name, Gele. I am hoping that there might be some association with the name
Karolina.

There are vital records that identify Gele as the eldest daughter (and second-born)
of Loeser/Elieser Gottlieb of Grebenau and his first wife Juedel (nee Traumann).
Her date of birth fits perfectly with the age of my great-great-grandmother,
Karolina Kahn (nee Gottlieb) at the time of her death (and the information on that
record, noting her as the first daughter of Loeser Gottlieb, a cattle trader of
Grebenau).

The crucial issue is the difference of first names. While Alexander Beider's
"Dictionary of Ashkenazi Given Names" notes a Kele, with a derived form Kelin that
could certainly result in a similar name of Karolina, he states that he does not
believe that Gele and Kele are variants of the same name.

Thus I am unsure if there is any further information that might suggest that Gele
is Karolina. So far, I have not found vital documents (such as a marriage record)
that might confirm that they are one and the same. Have others found incidents
where someone named Gele in one record was Karolina or Caroline in another?

Thanks for any insights you may be able to provide.

Jay Paul

Jay P. Paul
San Francisco, CA, USA
jaypaulphd@gmail.com

Researching: SUMBERG (Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in
Suwalki gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia), WOLF (Austro-Hungary),
KAHN (Ranstadt, Hesse, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Hesse, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY /
PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasylkiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine),
LEVITSKIJ / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasylkiv, Kyiv gubernia).
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gele and Karolina #general

Jay Paul
 

I am hoping to find out more information about what appears to be a diminutive
name, Gele. I am hoping that there might be some association with the name
Karolina.

There are vital records that identify Gele as the eldest daughter (and second-born)
of Loeser/Elieser Gottlieb of Grebenau and his first wife Juedel (nee Traumann).
Her date of birth fits perfectly with the age of my great-great-grandmother,
Karolina Kahn (nee Gottlieb) at the time of her death (and the information on that
record, noting her as the first daughter of Loeser Gottlieb, a cattle trader of
Grebenau).

The crucial issue is the difference of first names. While Alexander Beider's
"Dictionary of Ashkenazi Given Names" notes a Kele, with a derived form Kelin that
could certainly result in a similar name of Karolina, he states that he does not
believe that Gele and Kele are variants of the same name.

Thus I am unsure if there is any further information that might suggest that Gele
is Karolina. So far, I have not found vital documents (such as a marriage record)
that might confirm that they are one and the same. Have others found incidents
where someone named Gele in one record was Karolina or Caroline in another?

Thanks for any insights you may be able to provide.

Jay Paul

Jay P. Paul
San Francisco, CA, USA
jaypaulphd@gmail.com

Researching: SUMBERG (Pilviskiai, Lithuania), LANGERT (Pilviskiai & elsewhere in
Suwalki gubernia), KOTLER (Vistytis, Suwalki gubernia), WOLF (Austro-Hungary),
KAHN (Ranstadt, Hesse, Germany), GOTTLIEB (Grebenau, Hesse, Germany), PAVLOVSKIY /
PAVLOVSKY (Mala Antonivka, Bila Tserkiv, Vasylkiv, Kyiv gubernia, Ukraine),
LEVITSKIJ / LEVITZSKY (Yasnohorodka, Vasylkiv, Kyiv gubernia).
IAJGS Welcomes Hungarian Group as our Newest Member #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome The Jewish Genealogy Group of the Tiszafuredi
Menora Nyilt Alapitvany as the newest member of our growing family of IAJGS
organizations. For more information about the Hungary group, please contact
Karesz Vandor at info@hungarianroots.com. The President of the foundation
is Dr. Szego Agnes.

The Jewish Genealogy Group has a Facebook group at this link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/385853591885723/ Although you will notice it
is a "closed group" they welcome anyone with interest to request to join.

The genealogy group is part of the Tiszafuredi Menora Nyilt Alapitvany, a
foundation in Tiszafured, Hungary which has a web presence at
http://timena.hu/ The foundation has a public Facebook group at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/342757449166582/about/

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. (This summer's conference is
in Warsaw in August: www.iajgs2018.org) For more information on IAJGS,
please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IAJGS Welcomes Hungarian Group as our Newest Member #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome The Jewish Genealogy Group of the Tiszafuredi
Menora Nyilt Alapitvany as the newest member of our growing family of IAJGS
organizations. For more information about the Hungary group, please contact
Karesz Vandor at info@hungarianroots.com. The President of the foundation
is Dr. Szego Agnes.

The Jewish Genealogy Group has a Facebook group at this link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/385853591885723/ Although you will notice it
is a "closed group" they welcome anyone with interest to request to join.

The genealogy group is part of the Tiszafuredi Menora Nyilt Alapitvany, a
foundation in Tiszafured, Hungary which has a web presence at
http://timena.hu/ The foundation has a public Facebook group at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/342757449166582/about/

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. (This summer's conference is
in Warsaw in August: www.iajgs2018.org) For more information on IAJGS,
please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development
Re: Searching: PINES #general

David Goldman
 

In possible answer to my own question, it is possible that the name Pines is
simply the same as the name Pincus or Pinchas used as a last name.......
David Goldman

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldman <lugman@verizon.net>

Hello, Jewishgenners. I was able to confirm that my great-grandfather Israel
Ziselman's mother was named Leah PINES married to Yerucham Ziselman, and
they were >from Stare-Borisov now in Belarus, although I had thought her
maiden name was Jaffe.
Any suggestions about this connection would be greatly appreciated.
David Goldman
NYC
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Searching: PINES #general

David Goldman
 

In possible answer to my own question, it is possible that the name Pines is
simply the same as the name Pincus or Pinchas used as a last name.......
David Goldman

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldman <lugman@verizon.net>

Hello, Jewishgenners. I was able to confirm that my great-grandfather Israel
Ziselman's mother was named Leah PINES married to Yerucham Ziselman, and
they were >from Stare-Borisov now in Belarus, although I had thought her
maiden name was Jaffe.
Any suggestions about this connection would be greatly appreciated.
David Goldman
NYC
Re: researching Kennkarten #germany

Raphael Thurm
 

Shalom,

I am researching my maternal family which lived in Berlin before the Holocaust.

I understand that in 1939 German Jews were compelled to carry an
identity card, which often contained their photo.

In 1942, several relatives in my family were deported to
Theresienstadt, Riga, and Trawniki, where they all tragically perished
during the Holocaust. I was able to find the transport-lists with
their names, and I saw that right next to the names were the numbers
of the Kennkarten issued to them. They were:

Alfred Brie, Kennkarte Nr. A082037

Else Brie, Kennkarte Nr. 428171

Fanny Tempelberg (Altmann), Kennkarte Nr. A440761

Frieda Cohn (Tempelberg), Kennkarte Nr. A535319

Siegfried Cohn, Kennkarte Nr. A536192

I was wondering whether there could be some copies of the Kennkarten
that were held by the German archives. Does anyone know if there's a
way to obtain an archival copy somewhere of these Kennkarten?

Thanks in advance, Raphael Thurm littletalmid@gmail.com
German SIG #Germany re: researching Kennkarten #germany

Raphael Thurm
 

Shalom,

I am researching my maternal family which lived in Berlin before the Holocaust.

I understand that in 1939 German Jews were compelled to carry an
identity card, which often contained their photo.

In 1942, several relatives in my family were deported to
Theresienstadt, Riga, and Trawniki, where they all tragically perished
during the Holocaust. I was able to find the transport-lists with
their names, and I saw that right next to the names were the numbers
of the Kennkarten issued to them. They were:

Alfred Brie, Kennkarte Nr. A082037

Else Brie, Kennkarte Nr. 428171

Fanny Tempelberg (Altmann), Kennkarte Nr. A440761

Frieda Cohn (Tempelberg), Kennkarte Nr. A535319

Siegfried Cohn, Kennkarte Nr. A536192

I was wondering whether there could be some copies of the Kennkarten
that were held by the German archives. Does anyone know if there's a
way to obtain an archival copy somewhere of these Kennkarten?

Thanks in advance, Raphael Thurm littletalmid@gmail.com
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