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Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Janet Akaha <akaha@...>
 

In response to Steven Bloom and Jeffrey Herman re FTDNA and maternal and
paternal assignments.

The maternal and paternal matches are determined based on shared DNA. So
these are not just "in common with matches". The way this works is that
you have to attach your known DNA matches to your family tree. As you
are typing their name, Family Tree DNA will usually recognize the name
and give you a suggestion. Click on that suggestion and that person's
DNA will be added to your tree. When you go back to your match list
Family Tree DNA should "recalculate" and assign some of your matches to
either the paternal or maternal bucked depending on your relationship to
the person you just added. This generally only works up through 3rd
cousins. The goal is to extend this out to more distant cousins, and
ultimately to "paint the chromosome", but it is very useful in assigning
your matches to one of set of chromosomes. If someone matches on *both*
chromosomes they will be put in the purple bucket.

Janet Akaha


DNA Research #DNA Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Janet Akaha <akaha@...>
 

In response to Steven Bloom and Jeffrey Herman re FTDNA and maternal and
paternal assignments.

The maternal and paternal matches are determined based on shared DNA. So
these are not just "in common with matches". The way this works is that
you have to attach your known DNA matches to your family tree. As you
are typing their name, Family Tree DNA will usually recognize the name
and give you a suggestion. Click on that suggestion and that person's
DNA will be added to your tree. When you go back to your match list
Family Tree DNA should "recalculate" and assign some of your matches to
either the paternal or maternal bucked depending on your relationship to
the person you just added. This generally only works up through 3rd
cousins. The goal is to extend this out to more distant cousins, and
ultimately to "paint the chromosome", but it is very useful in assigning
your matches to one of set of chromosomes. If someone matches on *both*
chromosomes they will be put in the purple bucket.

Janet Akaha


Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Peggy Mosinger Freedman <peggyfreedman@...>
 

Here is more detail aboutPaternal and Maternal designations within Family
Finder (FTDNA)

This is a tool that is based on computer analysis of your data. You can
not turn it on and off. You start it by "assigning test results to
relatives on your family tree."

To assign test results to relatives:

1) Enter your own family tree by going to the Dashboard (for me,
this is the first page when I log in) and clicking on MENU symbol on the
top left (three horizontal lines and the words myFTDNA)

2) A menu opens, click on FAMILY TREE

3) Spend some time learning to navigate this area. You can enter
data, then delete it, so don't be afraid to experiment. In the beginning,
nothing will show but the test taker. You can upload a GEDCOM or enter
people individually by clicking on the icon for the person, then clicking
ADD RELATIONSHIP. I make a special GEDCOM that shows only direct
ancestors and one generation of their children in order to 1) protect
privacy and 2) simplify navigating this screen.

4) Because I do not show all my known cousins on my FamilyTree DNA
tree, I have an extra step. If I look at the match list, I have to be
sure that my known cousin with a DNA test is on the family tree that I
have created. I go to our most recent common ancestor and add the direct
relatives so that the matching person appears on the FamilyTree DNA tree.

5) On the Family Tree screen, click on the button on the top left
that says DNA MATCHES. A list of your matches should appear. Find the
name of the person that you know is a match and drag the name to the
circle on your tree that represents that person.

6) Your match will get an email asking if they accept the
relationship.

7) When the other person accepts that this is a real match, allow
the computers some time to analyze all your matches. If your known
match is related to only one of your parents, you will begin to get pink
and blue boxes on your unknown matches that indicate they are related to
both you and your cousin.

I tested my mother -- her father was >from Lithuania and her mother's
family is >from Hungary. Because a number of known cousins have also
tested, I have a better idea which side of the tree to look for unknown
matches if they have a pink or blue icon on them.

Hope this helps!

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Peggy Mosinger Freedman <peggyfreedman@...>
 

Here is more detail aboutPaternal and Maternal designations within Family
Finder (FTDNA)

This is a tool that is based on computer analysis of your data. You can
not turn it on and off. You start it by "assigning test results to
relatives on your family tree."

To assign test results to relatives:

1) Enter your own family tree by going to the Dashboard (for me,
this is the first page when I log in) and clicking on MENU symbol on the
top left (three horizontal lines and the words myFTDNA)

2) A menu opens, click on FAMILY TREE

3) Spend some time learning to navigate this area. You can enter
data, then delete it, so don't be afraid to experiment. In the beginning,
nothing will show but the test taker. You can upload a GEDCOM or enter
people individually by clicking on the icon for the person, then clicking
ADD RELATIONSHIP. I make a special GEDCOM that shows only direct
ancestors and one generation of their children in order to 1) protect
privacy and 2) simplify navigating this screen.

4) Because I do not show all my known cousins on my FamilyTree DNA
tree, I have an extra step. If I look at the match list, I have to be
sure that my known cousin with a DNA test is on the family tree that I
have created. I go to our most recent common ancestor and add the direct
relatives so that the matching person appears on the FamilyTree DNA tree.

5) On the Family Tree screen, click on the button on the top left
that says DNA MATCHES. A list of your matches should appear. Find the
name of the person that you know is a match and drag the name to the
circle on your tree that represents that person.

6) Your match will get an email asking if they accept the
relationship.

7) When the other person accepts that this is a real match, allow
the computers some time to analyze all your matches. If your known
match is related to only one of your parents, you will begin to get pink
and blue boxes on your unknown matches that indicate they are related to
both you and your cousin.

I tested my mother -- her father was >from Lithuania and her mother's
family is >from Hungary. Because a number of known cousins have also
tested, I have a better idea which side of the tree to look for unknown
matches if they have a pink or blue icon on them.

Hope this helps!

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA


Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

1. Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA)
First you need to have your family tree on FTDNA. Then you have look at
your known DNA matches and drag the DNA match to the appropriate person on
the tree. You have to either uncheck the send an email - or leave it checked
and finally there is a button at the very bottom of the screen that says
Confirm or Cancel. You need to click on confirm. Once you have a
sufficient number of relatives with the DNA matching on the tree, then FTDNA
will split your results. Be aware that there will still be people where
there is insufficient evidence to assign them to a side - or people other
than siblings and children, that will get assigned to both sides.
Sarah Christiansen
Georgetown TX
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


DNA Research #DNA RE: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

1. Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA)
First you need to have your family tree on FTDNA. Then you have look at
your known DNA matches and drag the DNA match to the appropriate person on
the tree. You have to either uncheck the send an email - or leave it checked
and finally there is a button at the very bottom of the screen that says
Confirm or Cancel. You need to click on confirm. Once you have a
sufficient number of relatives with the DNA matching on the tree, then FTDNA
will split your results. Be aware that there will still be people where
there is insufficient evidence to assign them to a side - or people other
than siblings and children, that will get assigned to both sides.
Sarah Christiansen
Georgetown TX
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

June Genis
 

I believe that FTDNAs maternal/paternal matching algorithm may be
unable to correctly catch all relationships if they have been
reinforced by endogamy. My second best 2nd cousin match and his
mother have both been identified as paternal matches. However when I
paint them on DNAPainter along with other close cousin matches
collected >from multiple DNA sites it clearly shows that those same
segments match people on my maternal side. So most likely they are
both more distant relations that have connections on both sides of my
family.

I have about 50 matches which FTDNA identifies as as being both
maternal and paternal. My full sibling has about 150. Jewish DNA is a
mess.

June Genis
Livingston, TX
Searching GENIS, OKUN, CHESLER/KESLER, ETTINGER/ETTINGAER, SUSMAN
(Russian/Polish Empire)


DNA Research #DNA Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

June Genis
 

I believe that FTDNAs maternal/paternal matching algorithm may be
unable to correctly catch all relationships if they have been
reinforced by endogamy. My second best 2nd cousin match and his
mother have both been identified as paternal matches. However when I
paint them on DNAPainter along with other close cousin matches
collected >from multiple DNA sites it clearly shows that those same
segments match people on my maternal side. So most likely they are
both more distant relations that have connections on both sides of my
family.

I have about 50 matches which FTDNA identifies as as being both
maternal and paternal. My full sibling has about 150. Jewish DNA is a
mess.

June Genis
Livingston, TX
Searching GENIS, OKUN, CHESLER/KESLER, ETTINGER/ETTINGAER, SUSMAN
(Russian/Polish Empire)


Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I did want to add a comment about the paternal and maternal designations. I
have a 2-3 match as identified by FTDNA. However, this person, in reality,
is a 5th cousin on my paternal side-due to two different cousin marriages up
the line (confirmed in a paper trail) . Since I've identified this person
as a bona fide 5th cousin FTDNA will not list her as related on my paternal
side as they will not list maternal and paternal beyond the 3rd cousin
level.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus; Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Vitebsk Guberynia Belarus/Latvia); GERSHONOWITZ (Lithuania;
USA); LANGDORF (Galicia); MERRIN (Belarus); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA; Anywhere);
SLONIMSKY/SLONIM (Minsk, Belarus; USA); SONDAK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Janavole,
Borkhovo, Rezekne, and Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOVSKY (Priluki, Ukraine)


DNA Research #DNA Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

Rochelle Gershenow
 

I did want to add a comment about the paternal and maternal designations. I
have a 2-3 match as identified by FTDNA. However, this person, in reality,
is a 5th cousin on my paternal side-due to two different cousin marriages up
the line (confirmed in a paper trail) . Since I've identified this person
as a bona fide 5th cousin FTDNA will not list her as related on my paternal
side as they will not list maternal and paternal beyond the 3rd cousin
level.

Rochelle Gershenow
Connecticut, USA

Searching: AGINSKY (Belarus); CHAIKIN (Homyel, Belarus; Priluki, Ukraine);
GERIS/GERRISH (Vitebsk Guberynia Belarus/Latvia); GERSHONOWITZ (Lithuania;
USA); LANGDORF (Galicia); MERRIN (Belarus); PURINSON/PURINZON
(Priluki,Ukraine; Argentina; Brazil; Israel; USA; Anywhere);
SLONIMSKY/SLONIM (Minsk, Belarus; USA); SONDAK/SUNDOCK/SUNDACK (Janavole,
Borkhovo, Rezekne, and Ludza, Latvia; USA); SOKOLOVSKY (Priluki, Ukraine)


Re: Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

charles goldenzon
 

If you have no family tree on FTDNA the tool will not work and you will
have all your matches bundled together rather than separated by maternal
or paternal.

When you test both your parents the system will know who sits where
between maternal and paternal. As most people don't have both parents to
test, the more close relatives you assign in your FTDNA family tree, the
easier it will be for the algorithm to phase your DNA between maternal
and paternal. This is because each close relative has the potential to
contribute with different segments of DNA.

The person who assigns test results to individuals on a family tree is
the owner of the profile and the family tree. If I know a maternal 2nd
cousin tested, I will assign his/her results to him/her on my FTDNA
family tree. Of course, I must know the branch in which this individual
sits, otherwise I will be misleading the system.

Hope this helps,

Charles Goldenzon
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


DNA Research #DNA Re:Paternal and Maternal designations within Family Finder (FTDNA) #dna

charles goldenzon
 

If you have no family tree on FTDNA the tool will not work and you will
have all your matches bundled together rather than separated by maternal
or paternal.

When you test both your parents the system will know who sits where
between maternal and paternal. As most people don't have both parents to
test, the more close relatives you assign in your FTDNA family tree, the
easier it will be for the algorithm to phase your DNA between maternal
and paternal. This is because each close relative has the potential to
contribute with different segments of DNA.

The person who assigns test results to individuals on a family tree is
the owner of the profile and the family tree. If I know a maternal 2nd
cousin tested, I will assign his/her results to him/her on my FTDNA
family tree. Of course, I must know the branch in which this individual
sits, otherwise I will be misleading the system.

Hope this helps,

Charles Goldenzon
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil


Shimon HURWITZ - Petach Tikva, Israel - Deceased 1961 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

There was a Shimon HURWITZ , who was a shochet (butcher) during the first half
of the 20th cent. in Petach Tikva, Israel. He was a distant cousin of ours but
know today seems to know the exact connection. My grandparents were Chaim
Yitzchak and Rachel Leah (SCHECHTER) ABRAMOWITZ born in the old city of
Jerusalem.

One of HURWITZ's daughters (POCHOVITCH) moved to Chicago with her husband and
both died relatively young. Their children may still be living there.

I would be happy to hear >from any of Shimon HURWITZ's descendants or other
relatives who know our connection. My guess that it is through my grandfather's
family as both he and Shimon HURWITZ's family stemmed >from Novarodok.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shimon HURWITZ - Petach Tikva, Israel - Deceased 1961 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

There was a Shimon HURWITZ , who was a shochet (butcher) during the first half
of the 20th cent. in Petach Tikva, Israel. He was a distant cousin of ours but
know today seems to know the exact connection. My grandparents were Chaim
Yitzchak and Rachel Leah (SCHECHTER) ABRAMOWITZ born in the old city of
Jerusalem.

One of HURWITZ's daughters (POCHOVITCH) moved to Chicago with her husband and
both died relatively young. Their children may still be living there.

I would be happy to hear >from any of Shimon HURWITZ's descendants or other
relatives who know our connection. My guess that it is through my grandfather's
family as both he and Shimon HURWITZ's family stemmed >from Novarodok.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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HURWITZ - Descendants of Rabbi David of Novarodok 18th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Are there any HURWITZs (spelling unsure) who claim descendancy >from a Rabbi
David of Novarodok who is also known by the name of the book he authored "Galia
Mesechta". The above Rabbi David was the Rav of Novarodok some 200+ years ago.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HURWITZ - Descendants of Rabbi David of Novarodok 18th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Are there any HURWITZs (spelling unsure) who claim descendancy >from a Rabbi
David of Novarodok who is also known by the name of the book he authored "Galia
Mesechta". The above Rabbi David was the Rav of Novarodok some 200+ years ago.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


DISTENFELD - Zlochew, Poland #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My late mother-in-law, Sarah JERUSHALMY (Eisen) was born in Zlochew, (then) Poland.
Her mother's maiden name was DISTENFELD. We would be happy to be contacted by
possible members of that family.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DISTENFELD - Zlochew, Poland #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

My late mother-in-law, Sarah JERUSHALMY (Eisen) was born in Zlochew, (then) Poland.
Her mother's maiden name was DISTENFELD. We would be happy to be contacted by
possible members of that family.

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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Morris NISSENBAUM - Berlin 1933 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In various documents of my late Father-in-law, Rabbi Morris JERUSHALMY
(JERUSALEMSKY) there appeared the name Morris NISSENBAUM. Does anyone know who
the NISSENBAUM was? Was he a functionary at any Jewish aid society ?

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Morris NISSENBAUM - Berlin 1933 #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In various documents of my late Father-in-law, Rabbi Morris JERUSHALMY
(JERUSALEMSKY) there appeared the name Morris NISSENBAUM. Does anyone know who
the NISSENBAUM was? Was he a functionary at any Jewish aid society ?

TIA

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

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