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Help Translating Russian Death Record #general

Raphael Thurm <littletalmid@...>
 

Shalom,

I need help translating a Russian death record for Abram Abisch Torem
(d. 1871, Jozefow). I already uploaded it on ViewMate and it is available here.

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=70024

I'd be very grateful if anyone can help out. Thanks in advance.
Raphael Thurm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Translating Russian Death Record #general

Raphael Thurm <littletalmid@...>
 

Shalom,

I need help translating a Russian death record for Abram Abisch Torem
(d. 1871, Jozefow). I already uploaded it on ViewMate and it is available here.

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=70024

I'd be very grateful if anyone can help out. Thanks in advance.
Raphael Thurm


Seeking sisters Forgasz/Forgasch/Israel/izrael #general

Karen Catania
 

Dear Gunners
I am looking for the following two sisters:
Ita Neche Born 1897 and sister Feiga Sara Born 1901 daughters of Chaja Beila
Forgasz & Pinkus Izrael >from Tarnow were survivors of the Holocaust. First they
went to Berlin, and then to Paris. Their Husbands surnames were Grun/Gruin and
Beker, though we don't know who was married to who, nor do I know the first names
or when they married. . I know they both had children and both were in Paris
in the 1970's - I ultimately would like to find the children of the
sisters to reconnect with family. I know this is challenging. I would
also entertain finding a researcher in Paris if anyone knows anyone.
Thank you, Karen Sobel Catania

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only with researcher referrals


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking sisters Forgasz/Forgasch/Israel/izrael #general

Karen Catania
 

Dear Gunners
I am looking for the following two sisters:
Ita Neche Born 1897 and sister Feiga Sara Born 1901 daughters of Chaja Beila
Forgasz & Pinkus Izrael >from Tarnow were survivors of the Holocaust. First they
went to Berlin, and then to Paris. Their Husbands surnames were Grun/Gruin and
Beker, though we don't know who was married to who, nor do I know the first names
or when they married. . I know they both had children and both were in Paris
in the 1970's - I ultimately would like to find the children of the
sisters to reconnect with family. I know this is challenging. I would
also entertain finding a researcher in Paris if anyone knows anyone.
Thank you, Karen Sobel Catania

MODERATOR NOTE: Private responses only with researcher referrals


Cold-Calling a Distant Relative Who Doesn't Know the Family Was Jewish #general

Meron Lavie
 

Hi all,

Occasionally, I manage to locate a distant relative, whose family obviously at some
time in the past left Judaism. Until yesterday, it had always gone well. For
example, one person I called laughed hysterically when I told him. He related that
his grandmother and her sister always spoke some language between them which they
claimed was German, but he had already guessed it was probably Yiddish.

Yesterday was different. I tried calling a man who is my 3rd cousin twice removed.
I know his father's headstone has a cross on it, so I already knew the family had
left Judaism. So I called. His wife answered the phone. She said her husband wasn't
in,and that he wasn't interested much in talking about family - but that she
was very interested, and would be glad to help.

We exchanged a few pleasantries and made sure I was right about the connection,
that the details of the family members going back a couple of generations added up,
and I also pointed out that her daughter's public tree and her DNA matched with
mine. Then she asked me what I knew about the family history. I mentioned that the
family came >from a small town in Ukraine. She sounded surprised, but told me to go
on. So I asked her what she knew about the family's religious background. She asked
"what do you mean". So I said that the family was originally Jewish. Well, she
immediately changed her tone, and said "I'm sorry, but the details don't
match my husband's family. I have to go. Bye".

Anyone else encounter this? Maybe I shouldn't have brought up religion, and
simply tried to get as much info as possible?

I'd appreciate hearing others' stories and advice.

TIA,
Lavie


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cold-Calling a Distant Relative Who Doesn't Know the Family Was Jewish #general

Meron Lavie
 

Hi all,

Occasionally, I manage to locate a distant relative, whose family obviously at some
time in the past left Judaism. Until yesterday, it had always gone well. For
example, one person I called laughed hysterically when I told him. He related that
his grandmother and her sister always spoke some language between them which they
claimed was German, but he had already guessed it was probably Yiddish.

Yesterday was different. I tried calling a man who is my 3rd cousin twice removed.
I know his father's headstone has a cross on it, so I already knew the family had
left Judaism. So I called. His wife answered the phone. She said her husband wasn't
in,and that he wasn't interested much in talking about family - but that she
was very interested, and would be glad to help.

We exchanged a few pleasantries and made sure I was right about the connection,
that the details of the family members going back a couple of generations added up,
and I also pointed out that her daughter's public tree and her DNA matched with
mine. Then she asked me what I knew about the family history. I mentioned that the
family came >from a small town in Ukraine. She sounded surprised, but told me to go
on. So I asked her what she knew about the family's religious background. She asked
"what do you mean". So I said that the family was originally Jewish. Well, she
immediately changed her tone, and said "I'm sorry, but the details don't
match my husband's family. I have to go. Bye".

Anyone else encounter this? Maybe I shouldn't have brought up religion, and
simply tried to get as much info as possible?

I'd appreciate hearing others' stories and advice.

TIA,
Lavie


ViewMate - Seeking Translation Help with my NEUMARK family vital records in Hessen #germany

Peter Dreifuss
 

I've posted two marriage records in German for which I need
translations. They on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70103
(I am very interested in learning all genealogical information in this
1858 Marriage record >from Hessen. I eliminated irrelevant rows of
records >from this image. Index surnames: NEUMARK, LICHTENSTEIN; Town:
Hochstadt; Date of Image: 1858)

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70102
( I'm interested in genealogical information associated with this record
in first row- Index Surnames: STRAUS, NEUMARK, ADLER, OTTENSOSER, Towns:
Vollmarz, Lichenroth, Date of Image: 1875)

Please respond via the forms provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Pete Dreifuss, Watertown, Mass padreifuss@me.com


German SIG #Germany ViewMate - Seeking Translation Help with my NEUMARK family vital records in Hessen #germany

Peter Dreifuss
 

I've posted two marriage records in German for which I need
translations. They on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70103
(I am very interested in learning all genealogical information in this
1858 Marriage record >from Hessen. I eliminated irrelevant rows of
records >from this image. Index surnames: NEUMARK, LICHTENSTEIN; Town:
Hochstadt; Date of Image: 1858)

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70102
( I'm interested in genealogical information associated with this record
in first row- Index Surnames: STRAUS, NEUMARK, ADLER, OTTENSOSER, Towns:
Vollmarz, Lichenroth, Date of Image: 1875)

Please respond via the forms provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Pete Dreifuss, Watertown, Mass padreifuss@me.com


Reminder of November's events #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear JGSGB Membership and guests.

You are invited to the following. Members free. Guests entrance - £5
(Deductable, as most of you will know by now, >from full annual
Membership for 12 months when taken out on the day). Mentors and
librarians ready to assist with your researches. Refreshment for all -
plus use of our extensive library.

Fri 2 10.30-3pm A Library Session RSVP Lydia Collins at
library@jgsgb.org.uk 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street, London
EC1M 7BA,

Sun 4 2-5 pm The South East Essex Group will be holding a Workshop
at the Balmoral Community Centre, Balmoral Rd. Westcliff. Essex. RSVPs
to convener Anne Marcus at : avoceta@hotmail.com,

Thur 15 7.30-9.00 An Education Evening via Jeanette Rosenberg's
regular Webinar event - live >from Jeanette's parlour.
Subject : ' Eastern Europe – where are the records ' ? Contact
jeanette.r.rosenberg@googlemail.com for joining in details.
(Book early, to avoid disappointment) !

Sun 18 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session. RSVPs to Lydia Collins
at : library@jgsgb.org.uk 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street,
London EC1M 7BA,

Sun 18 2.30-5pm JGS' Secretary Martin Hill will be in the chair for
this November's Anglo SIG. The speaker will be Bob Phillips. His talk is
entitled, "My family History: the confluence of the Phillips Family and the
Hyamson family and the consequences". A Workshop will follow after the break
at 3.30pm This event will be held in the SOG's Lecture Room at our HQ.
14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street, London EC1M 7BA,

Tue 20 7.30-9.30 The Chilterns Regional Group meeting. At this
session, our speaker will be the Society's Treasurer Peter Heilbrunn.
Title of Peter's talk : “Buchenwald to Sandwich – the story of a German Refugee"
Chairman, Leigh Dworkin, will be at the helm at our regular location.
The Osorio Hall, North Pinner Liberal Synagogue.
RSVPs to leighdworkin@hotmail.com

Thank you.

Raymond Montanjees plus the lads and lassies of the Programme Committee.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Reminder of November's events #unitedkingdom

Raymond Montanjees
 

Dear JGSGB Membership and guests.

You are invited to the following. Members free. Guests entrance - £5
(Deductable, as most of you will know by now, >from full annual
Membership for 12 months when taken out on the day). Mentors and
librarians ready to assist with your researches. Refreshment for all -
plus use of our extensive library.

Fri 2 10.30-3pm A Library Session RSVP Lydia Collins at
library@jgsgb.org.uk 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street, London
EC1M 7BA,

Sun 4 2-5 pm The South East Essex Group will be holding a Workshop
at the Balmoral Community Centre, Balmoral Rd. Westcliff. Essex. RSVPs
to convener Anne Marcus at : avoceta@hotmail.com,

Thur 15 7.30-9.00 An Education Evening via Jeanette Rosenberg's
regular Webinar event - live >from Jeanette's parlour.
Subject : ' Eastern Europe – where are the records ' ? Contact
jeanette.r.rosenberg@googlemail.com for joining in details.
(Book early, to avoid disappointment) !

Sun 18 2-5pm The monthly Sunday Library Session. RSVPs to Lydia Collins
at : library@jgsgb.org.uk 14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street,
London EC1M 7BA,

Sun 18 2.30-5pm JGS' Secretary Martin Hill will be in the chair for
this November's Anglo SIG. The speaker will be Bob Phillips. His talk is
entitled, "My family History: the confluence of the Phillips Family and the
Hyamson family and the consequences". A Workshop will follow after the break
at 3.30pm This event will be held in the SOG's Lecture Room at our HQ.
14 Charterhouse Buildings, Goswell Street, London EC1M 7BA,

Tue 20 7.30-9.30 The Chilterns Regional Group meeting. At this
session, our speaker will be the Society's Treasurer Peter Heilbrunn.
Title of Peter's talk : “Buchenwald to Sandwich – the story of a German Refugee"
Chairman, Leigh Dworkin, will be at the helm at our regular location.
The Osorio Hall, North Pinner Liberal Synagogue.
RSVPs to leighdworkin@hotmail.com

Thank you.

Raymond Montanjees plus the lads and lassies of the Programme Committee.


wedding ledger arad roumanie #hungary

chrisreg@...
 

Hello sarah and listers
thanks for your help regarding wedding ledger, it is a pity that this particular ledger has not be found as i'm completely stuck , nobody left in the family to have details.
if by any chance somebody has a copy of that ledger, let me know
it was a lister who went to arad who sent me the details, apparently what he told me is that he had had not enough time to check it as it may have been damaged.
ledger VI 53.37, maybe someone may know at least the year??
regards

Christine Fischer Rodricks
Le Cannet, France
searching for FISCHER SPITZ, other names Sebestyen Flesch

Moderator: Please continue discussion off-list unless information is of general
interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary wedding ledger arad roumanie #hungary

chrisreg@...
 

Hello sarah and listers
thanks for your help regarding wedding ledger, it is a pity that this particular ledger has not be found as i'm completely stuck , nobody left in the family to have details.
if by any chance somebody has a copy of that ledger, let me know
it was a lister who went to arad who sent me the details, apparently what he told me is that he had had not enough time to check it as it may have been damaged.
ledger VI 53.37, maybe someone may know at least the year??
regards

Christine Fischer Rodricks
Le Cannet, France
searching for FISCHER SPITZ, other names Sebestyen Flesch

Moderator: Please continue discussion off-list unless information is of general
interest.


Help Translating Russian Death Record #poland

Raphael Thurm <littletalmid@...>
 

Shalom,

I need help translating a Russian death record for Abram Abisch Torem
(d. 1871, Jozefow). I already uploaded it on ViewMate and it is
available here.

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=70024

I'd be very grateful if anyone can help out. Thanks in advance.

Raphael Thurm

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


JRI Poland #Poland Help Translating Russian Death Record #poland

Raphael Thurm <littletalmid@...>
 

Shalom,

I need help translating a Russian death record for Abram Abisch Torem
(d. 1871, Jozefow). I already uploaded it on ViewMate and it is
available here.

https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=70024

I'd be very grateful if anyone can help out. Thanks in advance.

Raphael Thurm

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


Forgasz/Forgasch/Izrael/Israel #poland

Karen Catania
 

Dear JRI Researchers:
I am looking for the following two sisters:
Ita Neche Born 1897 and sister Feiga Sara Born 1901 daughters of Chaja
Beila Forgasz & Pinkus Izrael >from Tarnow were survivors of the
Holocaust. First they went to Berlin, and then to Paris.

Their Husbands surnames were Grun/Gruin and Beker, though we don't
know who was married to who, nor do I know the first names or when
they married. . I know they both had children and both were in Paris
in the 1970's - I ultimately would like to find the children of the
sisters to reconnect with family. I know this is challenging. I would
also entertain finding a researcher in Paris if anyone knows anyone.

Thank you, Karen Sobel Catania

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please send any researcher recommendations privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Forgasz/Forgasch/Izrael/Israel #poland

Karen Catania
 

Dear JRI Researchers:
I am looking for the following two sisters:
Ita Neche Born 1897 and sister Feiga Sara Born 1901 daughters of Chaja
Beila Forgasz & Pinkus Izrael >from Tarnow were survivors of the
Holocaust. First they went to Berlin, and then to Paris.

Their Husbands surnames were Grun/Gruin and Beker, though we don't
know who was married to who, nor do I know the first names or when
they married. . I know they both had children and both were in Paris
in the 1970's - I ultimately would like to find the children of the
sisters to reconnect with family. I know this is challenging. I would
also entertain finding a researcher in Paris if anyone knows anyone.

Thank you, Karen Sobel Catania

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please send any researcher recommendations privately.


ViewMate translation request - Russian Yiddish #poland

Maxwald
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a full translation.
It is the Marriagein 1887 of Aron Tseyref to Gene Tema Bergel. It is the
second marriage for both. I would like to know if either of the previous
marriages are mentioned.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70107

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Max Wald
Melbourne
Australia
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JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation request - Russian Yiddish #poland

Maxwald
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a full translation.
It is the Marriagein 1887 of Aron Tseyref to Gene Tema Bergel. It is the
second marriage for both. I would like to know if either of the previous
marriages are mentioned.

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70107

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.

Max Wald
Melbourne
Australia
---


Bessarabia SIG, update for the month of October 2018 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear researchers,

Here is an update for the Bessarabia SIG projects for the month of October 2018. See also at What's
New at Bessarabia SIG website:

Bessarabian Databases. Updates:
- Revision Lists, plan to upload to JewishGen in December of 2018. A number of Revision List sets
were completed for town of Beltsy and Yassy/Beltsy uezd (district). See progress at
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/databases/RevisionsDecemberOf2018.pdf

History of Jews. Article added:
- The Myth of No Return: Jewish Return.
Migration to Eastern Europe, 1881-1914
written by Prof. Jonathan D. Sarna. Reprinted >from American Jewish History, December 1, 1981,
vol LXXI I, number 2. With the permission of the author the full article is presented:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/JewishHistory/MythofNoReturnFromSarna.pdf

Jewish Cemeteries. Updates:
- We have upgraded the inventory of all cemeteries in Bessarabia/Moldova.
You can see the list >from the cemetery section at the website or directly here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201810-October.htm

- We have completed photographing and indexing a large Jewish Cemetery of Bessarabia - Vadul
Rashkov. The Phase 1 was done in April of this year, and Phase 2 included more than 1,600 graves,
from that we submitted to JOWBR 1,065, and 613 images of Unknown graves can be viewed at
Bessarabia SIG website at Vadul Rashkov Cemetery Report at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/cemetery/vadulrashkov/VadulRashkovCemetery.pdf.
Many new photos and information were added to the report.

Please let us know if you have any questions, issues, suggestions for our SIG. projects.

All the best,
Inna Vayner, Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leaders and Coordinators


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Bessarabia SIG, update for the month of October 2018 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Dear researchers,

Here is an update for the Bessarabia SIG projects for the month of October 2018. See also at What's
New at Bessarabia SIG website:

Bessarabian Databases. Updates:
- Revision Lists, plan to upload to JewishGen in December of 2018. A number of Revision List sets
were completed for town of Beltsy and Yassy/Beltsy uezd (district). See progress at
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/databases/RevisionsDecemberOf2018.pdf

History of Jews. Article added:
- The Myth of No Return: Jewish Return.
Migration to Eastern Europe, 1881-1914
written by Prof. Jonathan D. Sarna. Reprinted >from American Jewish History, December 1, 1981,
vol LXXI I, number 2. With the permission of the author the full article is presented:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/JewishHistory/MythofNoReturnFromSarna.pdf

Jewish Cemeteries. Updates:
- We have upgraded the inventory of all cemeteries in Bessarabia/Moldova.
You can see the list >from the cemetery section at the website or directly here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/bessarabia/files/cemetery/Inventory201810-October.htm

- We have completed photographing and indexing a large Jewish Cemetery of Bessarabia - Vadul
Rashkov. The Phase 1 was done in April of this year, and Phase 2 included more than 1,600 graves,
from that we submitted to JOWBR 1,065, and 613 images of Unknown graves can be viewed at
Bessarabia SIG website at Vadul Rashkov Cemetery Report at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Bessarabia/files/cemetery/vadulrashkov/VadulRashkovCemetery.pdf.
Many new photos and information were added to the report.

Please let us know if you have any questions, issues, suggestions for our SIG. projects.

All the best,
Inna Vayner, Yefim Kogan
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leaders and Coordinators

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