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Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

Vladimir
 

Igor,

David Brostoff spells "Verhov" and he also spells "Werche". But I
think that Werche may be another transliteration/spelling of the same
village.

As for the village "Verhov" in Russia Empire it belonged to Khorov
volost (area), Ostrog uyezd (district), Volin gubernia (region)

Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
Kherson, Ukraine

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:07 PM Igor Myroslav Holyboroda
iholybor@... <ukraine@...> wrote:

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca=
.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close=
to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire=

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Wer=
che
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #ukraine

Vladimir
 

Igor,

David Brostoff spells "Verhov" and he also spells "Werche". But I
think that Werche may be another transliteration/spelling of the same
village.

As for the village "Verhov" in Russia Empire it belonged to Khorov
volost (area), Ostrog uyezd (district), Volin gubernia (region)

Vladimir Kreshchyshyn
Kherson, Ukraine

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:07 PM Igor Myroslav Holyboroda
iholybor@... <ukraine@...> wrote:

Dear colleagues!
In his message of Sat, 15 Dec 2018 David Brostoff wrote:
"I am trying to identify the birthplace of Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN (ca=
.
1885-1906).
Her 1907 passenger list gives Werche Volimer Gov (or perhaps Gav).
Gov seems be an abbreviation for gubernia but I can't find anything close=
to
Volimer in the list of Russian governates here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governorates_of_the_Russian_Empire=

Her naturalization petition gives Verhov, Rus., which I assume is the Wer=
che
above, although I cannot locate it using the JewishGen Gazetteer, etc.
Other documents give only Russia."

I think "Werche Volimer Gov" should be Cherche village in the Volyn
(represented in the document as "Volimer") gubernia of the Russian
empire.
Regards,
Igor Holyboroda,
Lviv, Ukraine.


1848 Census for Poszony #hungary

ew4147@...
 

Does anyone know if there is anywhere I can view the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish census for the Poszony county?
familysearch.org does not have it, it is only available at the
Hangarian National archivhes.
here on Jewishgen.org it is still in progress and my grandparents are
still missing,

I. Weber


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1848 Census for Poszony #hungary

ew4147@...
 

Does anyone know if there is anywhere I can view the 1848 Hungarian
Jewish census for the Poszony county?
familysearch.org does not have it, it is only available at the
Hangarian National archivhes.
here on Jewishgen.org it is still in progress and my grandparents are
still missing,

I. Weber


Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

"the Sephardim call the living after the living".

In response to this, and the 'examples like it' posted today:

The Sephardim (and western European Ashkenazi) name their babies after the
grandparents and other relatives: first son after the father's father, second
son after the mother's father, first daughter after the father's mother...

They don't name the babies after each other, and if the grandfathers' names
were the same, I have never seen two named the same.

But the two names in question are not the same. One is a double name, and one
isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

"the Sephardim call the living after the living".

In response to this, and the 'examples like it' posted today:

The Sephardim (and western European Ashkenazi) name their babies after the
grandparents and other relatives: first son after the father's father, second
son after the mother's father, first daughter after the father's mother...

They don't name the babies after each other, and if the grandfathers' names
were the same, I have never seen two named the same.

But the two names in question are not the same. One is a double name, and one
isn't.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Eva Lawrence
 

In response to posts >from Jeremy Schumann and Ralph Baer, I'd like to
mention that it's particularly in the course of Napoleonic name-taking
that I've found traditional Jewish naming customs disrupted - sons with
the same (official) given name as a living father in my case. I believe
that it was the result of a clash between French given-name customs and
the local Jewish ones. People would still use the familiar Jewish given
name in their everyday speech, but had to submit to taking an official
name acceptable to the French bureaucracy, and that would be the one
usually appearing in the civil records.

In Jeremy Schumann's case, he hasn't mentioned dates or places, so
that may not be what occurred. Since there was a space of 25 years
between the two births, isn't it possible that contact had been lost and
that the father, too thought that the elder son had died, or perhaps
there had been an angry family rift? Is Jeremy even sure that the
father was aware of the existence of the first son or, at least, of his
paternity? Any number of social situations might have resulted in this
anomaly.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two sons with same Hebrew name? #general

Eva Lawrence
 

In response to posts >from Jeremy Schumann and Ralph Baer, I'd like to
mention that it's particularly in the course of Napoleonic name-taking
that I've found traditional Jewish naming customs disrupted - sons with
the same (official) given name as a living father in my case. I believe
that it was the result of a clash between French given-name customs and
the local Jewish ones. People would still use the familiar Jewish given
name in their everyday speech, but had to submit to taking an official
name acceptable to the French bureaucracy, and that would be the one
usually appearing in the civil records.

In Jeremy Schumann's case, he hasn't mentioned dates or places, so
that may not be what occurred. Since there was a space of 25 years
between the two births, isn't it possible that contact had been lost and
that the father, too thought that the elder son had died, or perhaps
there had been an angry family rift? Is Jeremy even sure that the
father was aware of the existence of the first son or, at least, of his
paternity? Any number of social situations might have resulted in this
anomaly.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Rabbi Aryeh Carmi of Madison WI #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Carmi who was
originally surnamed Brandwein of the famous Jerusalem family a
Chassidic Dynasty.
He was the son of Rabbi Joseph Carmi

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Mahari Weil ztl #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Looking to touch base with someone very familiar with the Mahari Weil
and his writings.

Thank you

Bezalel Weill


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Aryeh Carmi of Madison WI #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the family of Rabbi Carmi who was
originally surnamed Brandwein of the famous Jerusalem family a
Chassidic Dynasty.
He was the son of Rabbi Joseph Carmi

--
Neil Rosenstein

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Mahari Weil ztl #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Looking to touch base with someone very familiar with the Mahari Weil
and his writings.

Thank you

Bezalel Weill


(UK) BBC Genome and Radio Times #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The British Broadcasting Company (BBC) placed the Radio Times >from the 1940s
online. Additionally, the BBC Genome website had added listening to or
watching historic broadcasts >from 1923-2009 see:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ . Here you can search for BBC programs, people,
dates and Radio Times editions. There are more than 5 million program
listings in Genome, remembering it reflects the attitudes and standards of
when the program was first aired which may be different than those of today.
There is an ongoing project to link the program listings to the relevant
recording thus far only 18,000 programs have been linked. To read more about
this see: https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-46465871

The BBC Archive includes a lot of World War ll materials. One is from
Witnessing the Holocaust, personal accounts of persecution and genocide by
the Nazis. >from April 1, 1945 a reporter provides a firsthand account
Buchenwald Concentration Camp To hear the interview you need to run the
adobe flash that they provide. See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5107.shtml

There are more broadcasts >from the Holocaust with links on the right side of
the above archival recording.

Thank you to Peter Calver, LostCousins Newsletter for informing us of this
new feature of the BBC.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (UK) BBC Genome and Radio Times #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The British Broadcasting Company (BBC) placed the Radio Times >from the 1940s
online. Additionally, the BBC Genome website had added listening to or
watching historic broadcasts >from 1923-2009 see:
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ . Here you can search for BBC programs, people,
dates and Radio Times editions. There are more than 5 million program
listings in Genome, remembering it reflects the attitudes and standards of
when the program was first aired which may be different than those of today.
There is an ongoing project to link the program listings to the relevant
recording thus far only 18,000 programs have been linked. To read more about
this see: https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-46465871

The BBC Archive includes a lot of World War ll materials. One is from
Witnessing the Holocaust, personal accounts of persecution and genocide by
the Nazis. >from April 1, 1945 a reporter provides a firsthand account
Buchenwald Concentration Camp To hear the interview you need to run the
adobe flash that they provide. See:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5107.shtml

There are more broadcasts >from the Holocaust with links on the right side of
the above archival recording.

Thank you to Peter Calver, LostCousins Newsletter for informing us of this
new feature of the BBC.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Searching: ADLER/PINCHANSKI/CHEPLOVOTSKY from Baranovichi #belarus

Les
 

My family on my father's mother's side came >from the town of
Baranovichi - today Belarus but then Poland
Her maiden name was Pinchanski - she was one of 8 children, 4 of whom survived
the war - she married my grandfather whose name was Adler ( we believe may
have been changed )and have no information on his side
They immigrated to South Africa just before the war
I am also trying to find out more about my grandmother's mother's
family ( name of Cheplovotsky) who was the eldest of 14 children.
We know of only 2 other siblings of those 14 and am hoping to find out more
about the unknown siblings.
Any information on the Adler/Pinchanski/Cheplovotsky families would be
appreciated
Thank you
Leslie Adler

MODERATOR NOTE: General information may be posted to the list. Specific
family information should be sent privately


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: ADLER/PINCHANSKI/CHEPLOVOTSKY from Baranovichi #belarus

Les
 

My family on my father's mother's side came >from the town of
Baranovichi - today Belarus but then Poland
Her maiden name was Pinchanski - she was one of 8 children, 4 of whom survived
the war - she married my grandfather whose name was Adler ( we believe may
have been changed )and have no information on his side
They immigrated to South Africa just before the war
I am also trying to find out more about my grandmother's mother's
family ( name of Cheplovotsky) who was the eldest of 14 children.
We know of only 2 other siblings of those 14 and am hoping to find out more
about the unknown siblings.
Any information on the Adler/Pinchanski/Cheplovotsky families would be
appreciated
Thank you
Leslie Adler

MODERATOR NOTE: General information may be posted to the list. Specific
family information should be sent privately


(France) Bibliotheque historique des postes et des telecommunications-- Historical Library of Posts and Telecommunications #france

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Bibliotheque Historique des Postes et des Telecommunications (BHPT),
(Historical Library of Posts and Telecommunications), a remote and obscure
library recently reopened. For those researching people who lived in France
in the 20th century this is the only repository open to the public
containing nearly all the French telephone directories ever published,
including those in France's territories and overseas departments. They may
be viewed on microfilm. To see the website and what is available online go
to: http://www.bhpt.org/ and under Decouvertes (discoveries) then click on
Ouvrages numerises (digitized works).

The BHPT also includes the history of the postal service. This includes
maps, showing waterways and roads used for transporting the mail as well as
where your ancestors may have traveled. Before railways, the mail was done
by land routes-same for your ancestors going to a port to emigrate, or
otherwise travel. Postal network maps are online and may be viewed at:
https://iis7sh2ws10.domicile.fr/bibliotheq/resopost.htm

The site is in French only, therefore a translation aide such as Google
translate may be helpful.
https://translate.google.com .

To read the article on this library and archive in The French Genealogist
see:
https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/

Thank you to Stan Diamond, President of JGS Montreal for sharing this
information.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


French SIG #France (France) Bibliotheque historique des postes et des telecommunications-- Historical Library of Posts and Telecommunications #france

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Bibliotheque Historique des Postes et des Telecommunications (BHPT),
(Historical Library of Posts and Telecommunications), a remote and obscure
library recently reopened. For those researching people who lived in France
in the 20th century this is the only repository open to the public
containing nearly all the French telephone directories ever published,
including those in France's territories and overseas departments. They may
be viewed on microfilm. To see the website and what is available online go
to: http://www.bhpt.org/ and under Decouvertes (discoveries) then click on
Ouvrages numerises (digitized works).

The BHPT also includes the history of the postal service. This includes
maps, showing waterways and roads used for transporting the mail as well as
where your ancestors may have traveled. Before railways, the mail was done
by land routes-same for your ancestors going to a port to emigrate, or
otherwise travel. Postal network maps are online and may be viewed at:
https://iis7sh2ws10.domicile.fr/bibliotheq/resopost.htm

The site is in French only, therefore a translation aide such as Google
translate may be helpful.
https://translate.google.com .

To read the article on this library and archive in The French Genealogist
see:
https://french-genealogy.typepad.com/

Thank you to Stan Diamond, President of JGS Montreal for sharing this
information.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

Two corrections:

Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN's dates are ca. 1885-1940.

Also, she immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906, not 1907.

David Brostoff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Identify birthplace "Werche Volimer Gov"? #general

David Brostoff
 

Two corrections:

Dora (Scheine) FINKELSTEIN's dates are ca. 1885-1940.

Also, she immigrated to Philadelphia in 1906, not 1907.

David Brostoff

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