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Re: Name Changed On Arrival Manifest #general

Simon Zelman
 

Hi Joe,

Those are most likely the same names but written by people used to
different spelling rules. A "c" in Polish is pronounced "ts" as in
cats, while in German that's the sound that the letter "z" makes. If
your ancestors went through a German port like Hamburg and gave their
names as pronounced 'Tseyner', the German official would hear ZEHNER
while one with a Polish background (or perhaps used to writing down a
lot of Polish names at Ellis Island) would hear CENER. I would just
treat these as two different spellings of the same name.

Hope this helps!

Simon Zelman
San Francisco, CA
Researching: DUBROVNA, KANTOR, OKUN, BIALOBROTKO, LEVIN, SLEVICH,
AKHIMOV, GOLT, FLEISHER, REIZHEVICH, SHKLIAROVSKY, MIROTSNIK, ZELMAN,
GRUVER, GERSHTEYN, GITELMAN

From: Joe Bratspis <joe@bratspis.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 09:44:16 -0500

Izak ZEHNER arrived in New York aboard the Lituania on May 20, 1928.
The manifest has his family name type written as ZEHNER. Handwritten
over his family name is the name CENER. In America, he was first known
as Isak, then Isaac, ZEHNER.
...

I think it unusual to have a name overwritten on an Arrival Manifest
and here is an example of it happening two times in a span of two
years to a ZEHNER family member and both times the name involved was
CENER. Is there an explanation?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name Changed On Arrival Manifest #general

Simon Zelman
 

Hi Joe,

Those are most likely the same names but written by people used to
different spelling rules. A "c" in Polish is pronounced "ts" as in
cats, while in German that's the sound that the letter "z" makes. If
your ancestors went through a German port like Hamburg and gave their
names as pronounced 'Tseyner', the German official would hear ZEHNER
while one with a Polish background (or perhaps used to writing down a
lot of Polish names at Ellis Island) would hear CENER. I would just
treat these as two different spellings of the same name.

Hope this helps!

Simon Zelman
San Francisco, CA
Researching: DUBROVNA, KANTOR, OKUN, BIALOBROTKO, LEVIN, SLEVICH,
AKHIMOV, GOLT, FLEISHER, REIZHEVICH, SHKLIAROVSKY, MIROTSNIK, ZELMAN,
GRUVER, GERSHTEYN, GITELMAN

From: Joe Bratspis <joe@bratspis.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 09:44:16 -0500

Izak ZEHNER arrived in New York aboard the Lituania on May 20, 1928.
The manifest has his family name type written as ZEHNER. Handwritten
over his family name is the name CENER. In America, he was first known
as Isak, then Isaac, ZEHNER.
...

I think it unusual to have a name overwritten on an Arrival Manifest
and here is an example of it happening two times in a span of two
years to a ZEHNER family member and both times the name involved was
CENER. Is there an explanation?


adoptee's birth parent #general

Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@...>
 

Are there any Jewish genealogy groups that help adoptees find a birth
parent? I have a request for help as the JGSGW Librarian
Vera Finberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen adoptee's birth parent #general

Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@...>
 

Are there any Jewish genealogy groups that help adoptees find a birth
parent? I have a request for help as the JGSGW Librarian
Vera Finberg


ViewMate Translation Request - Polish: MANELA, CHELEMER, ZYLBERBERG, LEWKOWICZ, SZWARCBAUM, CYMBAL from Lodz #general

Ofer Manela
 

Dear All,

I've posted 5 vital records in Polish for which I need a translation.

They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71081
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71082
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71083
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71084
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71085

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
KLIN / KLEIN, TIMBERG, HALMAN / HELMAN Chrzanow, Krakow
MIKULICKI - Lida area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request - Polish: MANELA, CHELEMER, ZYLBERBERG, LEWKOWICZ, SZWARCBAUM, CYMBAL from Lodz #general

Ofer Manela
 

Dear All,

I've posted 5 vital records in Polish for which I need a translation.

They are on ViewMate at the following addresses:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71081
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71082
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71083
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71084
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71085

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Many thanks,
Ofer Manela
Petach-Tikva

Researching:
KLIN / KLEIN, TIMBERG, HALMAN / HELMAN Chrzanow, Krakow
MIKULICKI - Lida area


ViewMate Translation Request re marriage certificate of the late Samuel LICHTENSTEIN & Martha FINKELSTEIN - German #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Hello Everybody

I've posted a vital record in German for which I need a translation. It is
available on ViewMate at the following address...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71100

I believe that this is a marriage record between my paternal Great
Grandfather Samuel LICHTENSTEIN and maternal Great Grandmother Martha
FINKELSTEIN.

I am interested in all the vital record information which appears in this
record.

Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein
Located in Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request re marriage certificate of the late Samuel LICHTENSTEIN & Martha FINKELSTEIN - German #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Hello Everybody

I've posted a vital record in German for which I need a translation. It is
available on ViewMate at the following address...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71100

I believe that this is a marriage record between my paternal Great
Grandfather Samuel LICHTENSTEIN and maternal Great Grandmother Martha
FINKELSTEIN.

I am interested in all the vital record information which appears in this
record.

Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein
Located in Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.


ViewMate Translation Request re marriage certificate of the late Rosa LICHTENSTEIN & Friedrich Wilhelm Karl BURCHARD - German #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Hello Everybody

I've posted vital records in German for which I need translations. It is
available on ViewMate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71071

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71072

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71073

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71074

I believe that this is a marriage record between my paternal Great Aunt Rosa
LICHTENSTEIN and Friedrich Wilhelm Karl BURCHARD. The record spans two
pages (hence VM71071 and VM71072 and VM71073 and VM71074). As far as I can
ascertain the "original" underlying record (designated #436) remains
unchanged for the two different versions of this record, yet that additional
writing in the margins of these records seems to be different for the two
versions (and hence my designation of these records as versions).

Of course I am interested in all the vital record information which appears
in these two versions and also what the additional marginal notation refers
to and why the two different versions.

Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein
Located in Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request re marriage certificate of the late Rosa LICHTENSTEIN & Friedrich Wilhelm Karl BURCHARD - German #general

Dave Lichtenstein
 

Hello Everybody

I've posted vital records in German for which I need translations. It is
available on ViewMate at the following addresses...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71071

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71072

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71073

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71074

I believe that this is a marriage record between my paternal Great Aunt Rosa
LICHTENSTEIN and Friedrich Wilhelm Karl BURCHARD. The record spans two
pages (hence VM71071 and VM71072 and VM71073 and VM71074). As far as I can
ascertain the "original" underlying record (designated #436) remains
unchanged for the two different versions of this record, yet that additional
writing in the margins of these records seems to be different for the two
versions (and hence my designation of these records as versions).

Of course I am interested in all the vital record information which appears
in these two versions and also what the additional marginal notation refers
to and why the two different versions.

Thank you very much.

Dave Lichtenstein
Located in Sydney, Australia

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately or on the ViewMate response form.


Re: Focsani record search #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Hi Sam,

Shaia Hausfater's birth was indeed registered on July 29th 1885.
Not in Focsani, not in Bacau but in Targu Neamtz.
There, "Nathan" and "Molly" had 10 children. Might be that later they
moved elsewhere.
Our team (the Botosani research team) has acquired and indexed the
records and they are available privately. If you are interested,
please contact me privately.
If you have a facebook account, you are invited to join our group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465078043774333/.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg

Israel


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:47 PM Samuel Jack Hausfather
hausfather@gmail.com <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Greetings,
I am planning a trip to Romania in May and trying hard to pin down my
grandfather's birth record, Sam HAUSVATER.


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Focsani record search #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Hi Sam,

Shaia Hausfater's birth was indeed registered on July 29th 1885.
Not in Focsani, not in Bacau but in Targu Neamtz.
There, "Nathan" and "Molly" had 10 children. Might be that later they
moved elsewhere.
Our team (the Botosani research team) has acquired and indexed the
records and they are available privately. If you are interested,
please contact me privately.
If you have a facebook account, you are invited to join our group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1465078043774333/.

Regards,

Sorin Goldenberg

Israel


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:47 PM Samuel Jack Hausfather
hausfather@gmail.com <rom-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Greetings,
I am planning a trip to Romania in May and trying hard to pin down my
grandfather's birth record, Sam HAUSVATER.


APPEL from Berzevice Slovakia #hungary

jyfogel@...
 

Hi my gggrandmother Mina/Mindel Atlas/Goldfarb nee APPEL was born in
Berzevice Slovakia to Aron APPEL & Rezi GOLDBERGER. In the census of
1867 there is a list of many siblings if anyone has info about this
family I will appreciate. Thanks Jacob Yeshaya Fogel Montreal

Moderator: Check the JewishGen Hungary Database for APPEL >from Ofalu,
Magura Szepes


Hungary SIG #Hungary APPEL from Berzevice Slovakia #hungary

jyfogel@...
 

Hi my gggrandmother Mina/Mindel Atlas/Goldfarb nee APPEL was born in
Berzevice Slovakia to Aron APPEL & Rezi GOLDBERGER. In the census of
1867 there is a list of many siblings if anyone has info about this
family I will appreciate. Thanks Jacob Yeshaya Fogel Montreal

Moderator: Check the JewishGen Hungary Database for APPEL >from Ofalu,
Magura Szepes


The roots of William Fox in Hungary #hungary

adlerdavi@...
 

Dear colleagues

I am intensively looking for the specific link between the father of
my grandmother named Rabi Shimon (Simon) Fuchs and William Fox (the
well-known Filmmaker that nowadays Fox network etc. is on his name).
The close link between these two branches of the family was well known
to the previous generation of my family, but it is unknown today.

R' Shimon Fuchs was born In Hidasnemeti (in Hungary 2-3 km close to
the Slovakian border on E74) on June 15, 1861. He was married on
November 19, 1884 to Sali Weingarten in Siroka. He was buried in
Presov on 1933 (well documented). His parents Joel and Katy (nee
Weinstock) lived at the time of his marriage in Boldog (Bodokovarlja).
According to some other records his parents lived also in Felso Mera
and his mother name could be Katy Weinstein (and not Weinstock). Joel
died prior to 22, October, 1896 (when Shimon`s child Joel was born).

On the other branch: Michael (Mihaly) Fuchs (1856) is William's
(Wilhelm) FOX (Fuchs) (January 5, 1879) father. Michael father Marton
(Mordech) (1814-1888) was born in Hidasnemeti (where also Shimon was
born). Marton wife Beti (Gutman) (1818-1890) and all the following
offspring were born in Tolcsva: Herman (Hershke) (1848), Michael
(1856), and Moritz (1862) who seems to be Moshe David (1861). In
addition, they have the following daughters: Rozalia registered also
as Sara (1845) who was married to Hirsch Kohn on (1875) and Hani
(1850).

I assume that Simon's father, Joel, is the (younger) brother of Marton
or his nephew but I have no evidence on either. I would be much
obliged If somebody could enlighten on the link between the two
branches.
Many Thanks

David Adler
Jerusalem


Hungary SIG #Hungary The roots of William Fox in Hungary #hungary

adlerdavi@...
 

Dear colleagues

I am intensively looking for the specific link between the father of
my grandmother named Rabi Shimon (Simon) Fuchs and William Fox (the
well-known Filmmaker that nowadays Fox network etc. is on his name).
The close link between these two branches of the family was well known
to the previous generation of my family, but it is unknown today.

R' Shimon Fuchs was born In Hidasnemeti (in Hungary 2-3 km close to
the Slovakian border on E74) on June 15, 1861. He was married on
November 19, 1884 to Sali Weingarten in Siroka. He was buried in
Presov on 1933 (well documented). His parents Joel and Katy (nee
Weinstock) lived at the time of his marriage in Boldog (Bodokovarlja).
According to some other records his parents lived also in Felso Mera
and his mother name could be Katy Weinstein (and not Weinstock). Joel
died prior to 22, October, 1896 (when Shimon`s child Joel was born).

On the other branch: Michael (Mihaly) Fuchs (1856) is William's
(Wilhelm) FOX (Fuchs) (January 5, 1879) father. Michael father Marton
(Mordech) (1814-1888) was born in Hidasnemeti (where also Shimon was
born). Marton wife Beti (Gutman) (1818-1890) and all the following
offspring were born in Tolcsva: Herman (Hershke) (1848), Michael
(1856), and Moritz (1862) who seems to be Moshe David (1861). In
addition, they have the following daughters: Rozalia registered also
as Sara (1845) who was married to Hirsch Kohn on (1875) and Hani
(1850).

I assume that Simon's father, Joel, is the (younger) brother of Marton
or his nephew but I have no evidence on either. I would be much
obliged If somebody could enlighten on the link between the two
branches.
Many Thanks

David Adler
Jerusalem


Chicago area cemetery photo request #general

bernerfolk
 

Thanks to all who responded to my query about Chicago and Suburban
Cemetery. There's no information specific to that cemetery but it
appears to have been renamed Menorah Gardens and is under the auspices
of the Waldheim Group (though it's several miles >from the Waldheim
cemetery).

The Waldheim office provided the exact location and a map for Hyman
SCHNEIDER and three additional family members in the plot. If anyone
goes to Menorah Gardens I'd very much appreciate photos as it appears
they're in the 17% of this cemetery that hasn't been photographed by
findagrave. Please contact me privately for the details.

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chicago area cemetery photo request #general

bernerfolk
 

Thanks to all who responded to my query about Chicago and Suburban
Cemetery. There's no information specific to that cemetery but it
appears to have been renamed Menorah Gardens and is under the auspices
of the Waldheim Group (though it's several miles >from the Waldheim
cemetery).

The Waldheim office provided the exact location and a map for Hyman
SCHNEIDER and three additional family members in the plot. If anyone
goes to Menorah Gardens I'd very much appreciate photos as it appears
they're in the 17% of this cemetery that hasn't been photographed by
findagrave. Please contact me privately for the details.

Sherri Venditti
The Berkshires, USA


Name Changed On Arrival Manifest #general

Joe Bratspis
 

Izak ZEHNER arrived in New York aboard the Lituania on May 20, 1928.
The manifest has his family name type written as ZEHNER. Handwritten
over his family name is the name CENER. In America, he was first known
as Isak, then Isaac, ZEHNER.

Isak's son, Gershon, arrived in New York on the Copenhagen on
September 28, 1930. The manifest has his family name type written as
ZEHNER. Handwritten over his family name is the name BRATSPIS-F-CENER.
In America, he was known as Gerson ZEHNER. The BRATSPIS name can be
explained as his mother's maiden name was ZUCKER-BRATSPIS. Thinking
perhaps his father was somehow connected to a CENER family, I
searched for the name CENER in JRI-Poland. There were many results;
none with the name CENER and many with the name ZEHNER.

I think it unusual to have a name overwritten on an Arrival Manifest
and here is an example of it happening two times in a span of two
years to a ZEHNER family member and both times the name involved was
CENER. Is there an explanation?

Researching:
BRATSPIS (Zolinia, Rohatyn, Zurawno, Galicia)
TENENBAUM (Grodzisko)

Thank you,
Joe Bratspis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name Changed On Arrival Manifest #general

Joe Bratspis
 

Izak ZEHNER arrived in New York aboard the Lituania on May 20, 1928.
The manifest has his family name type written as ZEHNER. Handwritten
over his family name is the name CENER. In America, he was first known
as Isak, then Isaac, ZEHNER.

Isak's son, Gershon, arrived in New York on the Copenhagen on
September 28, 1930. The manifest has his family name type written as
ZEHNER. Handwritten over his family name is the name BRATSPIS-F-CENER.
In America, he was known as Gerson ZEHNER. The BRATSPIS name can be
explained as his mother's maiden name was ZUCKER-BRATSPIS. Thinking
perhaps his father was somehow connected to a CENER family, I
searched for the name CENER in JRI-Poland. There were many results;
none with the name CENER and many with the name ZEHNER.

I think it unusual to have a name overwritten on an Arrival Manifest
and here is an example of it happening two times in a span of two
years to a ZEHNER family member and both times the name involved was
CENER. Is there an explanation?

Researching:
BRATSPIS (Zolinia, Rohatyn, Zurawno, Galicia)
TENENBAUM (Grodzisko)

Thank you,
Joe Bratspis

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