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Re: The end of the Julian Calendar, 100 years ago #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Indeed Romania switched to Gregorian calendar on April 14th 1919.
I disagree however with Marcel's interpretation.

A. There is indeed a numerical gap of 13 days, but no day was lost
of course.
B. The reason of not knowing when people were born was much deeper,
and not related at all to the change of the calendar. My grandparents
born in 1907-09 stick to their Julian birth dates - but being born and
living in a much more modern era, they knew their birth dates. When
comparing birth dates declared by Romanian born people in western
countries that would ask for the birth dates to be filled in all kinds
of forms we see days and months and years difference relative to their
original birth dates (even those who were indeed registered at birth).
Some might have kept their birth certificate, so they could consult
it, many others just choose a fake date.
I am quite sure that Galician Jews were no better in knowing their
birth dates than the Romanian ones, even though Poland switched to the
Gregorian calendar in 1582.

Sorin Goldenberg


Romania SIG #Romania Re: The end of the Julian Calendar, 100 years ago #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Indeed Romania switched to Gregorian calendar on April 14th 1919.
I disagree however with Marcel's interpretation.

A. There is indeed a numerical gap of 13 days, but no day was lost
of course.
B. The reason of not knowing when people were born was much deeper,
and not related at all to the change of the calendar. My grandparents
born in 1907-09 stick to their Julian birth dates - but being born and
living in a much more modern era, they knew their birth dates. When
comparing birth dates declared by Romanian born people in western
countries that would ask for the birth dates to be filled in all kinds
of forms we see days and months and years difference relative to their
original birth dates (even those who were indeed registered at birth).
Some might have kept their birth certificate, so they could consult
it, many others just choose a fake date.
I am quite sure that Galician Jews were no better in knowing their
birth dates than the Romanian ones, even though Poland switched to the
Gregorian calendar in 1582.

Sorin Goldenberg


NAYOWITZ from Komorzan, WEISZ from Tekovo, STEINBERGER & HERSHKOWITZ from Adrian #romania

Genealogy Researcher
 

I am researching the ancestors of Herman (Zvi Hersch) NAYOWITZ
& his wife Rana STEINBERGER.
I found the marriage record of Herman Nayowitz to Roza Steinberger
which took place on August 13 1897 in the town of Turulung.
Herman was born in August 1870 in the town of Komorzan, and his
parents were Mayer NAYOWITZ and Eszter WEISZ.
Roza Steinberger was born on May 20 1872 in the town of Adorjan
(Adrian) [today Livada] and her parents were Jakab STEINBERGER and Ida
HERSHKOWITZ.

I am trying to verify with accurate resources:
1) Who were the parents of Meir NAYOWITZ?
2) Who were the parents of Ester Nayowitz nee WEISZ which was born in
Tekovo (Tekehaze)?
3) Who were the parents of Yakov STEINBERGER?
4) Who were the parents of Ida Steinberger nee HERSHKOWITZ?

Looking forward to hear any information possible on any of these families.

Thank You!
Moses Adler


Romania SIG #Romania NAYOWITZ from Komorzan, WEISZ from Tekovo, STEINBERGER & HERSHKOWITZ from Adrian #romania

Genealogy Researcher
 

I am researching the ancestors of Herman (Zvi Hersch) NAYOWITZ
& his wife Rana STEINBERGER.
I found the marriage record of Herman Nayowitz to Roza Steinberger
which took place on August 13 1897 in the town of Turulung.
Herman was born in August 1870 in the town of Komorzan, and his
parents were Mayer NAYOWITZ and Eszter WEISZ.
Roza Steinberger was born on May 20 1872 in the town of Adorjan
(Adrian) [today Livada] and her parents were Jakab STEINBERGER and Ida
HERSHKOWITZ.

I am trying to verify with accurate resources:
1) Who were the parents of Meir NAYOWITZ?
2) Who were the parents of Ester Nayowitz nee WEISZ which was born in
Tekovo (Tekehaze)?
3) Who were the parents of Yakov STEINBERGER?
4) Who were the parents of Ida Steinberger nee HERSHKOWITZ?

Looking forward to hear any information possible on any of these families.

Thank You!
Moses Adler


Re: Where to deposit testimony #general

Judite Orensztajn
 

Yad Vashem offers the possibility of submitting Pages of Testimony online:
https://yvng.yadvashem.org/

All the best,

Judite Orensztajn, Jerusalem

From: John M. Hoenig hoenig@vims.edu
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:59 AM

I recently found a cousin in Romania and when I visited her she told us her
life story. She's a Holocaust survivor. We have written down what she said,
translated it to English, and added some references which back up what she
said. We would like to deposit her statement in appropriate places. I should
know where to send it but I don't. Can someone suggest a place or places?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Where to deposit testimony #general

Judite Orensztajn
 

Yad Vashem offers the possibility of submitting Pages of Testimony online:
https://yvng.yadvashem.org/

All the best,

Judite Orensztajn, Jerusalem

From: John M. Hoenig hoenig@vims.edu
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:59 AM

I recently found a cousin in Romania and when I visited her she told us her
life story. She's a Holocaust survivor. We have written down what she said,
translated it to English, and added some references which back up what she
said. We would like to deposit her statement in appropriate places. I should
know where to send it but I don't. Can someone suggest a place or places?


Seeking photo or postcard of Klimontow, Poland #general

Paul Baranik <paul.baranik@...>
 

I am searching for a photo/postal card of "old Klimontow, Poland. My
need is for a chapter in my family history book "Our Ancestral Town."

Thanks,
Paul Baranik
South Florida


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking photo or postcard of Klimontow, Poland #general

Paul Baranik <paul.baranik@...>
 

I am searching for a photo/postal card of "old Klimontow, Poland. My
need is for a chapter in my family history book "Our Ancestral Town."

Thanks,
Paul Baranik
South Florida


German translation of a birth certificate #general

Mark Goldstein
 

Hello to all,

I have posted a copy of a birth certificate of my grandfather Wilhelm SPIEGLER
who was born in Kirchfidisch (then part of Austria-Hungary) in 1901. I am aware
of much of the contents: his father is Maximilian SPIEGLER, his mother Karoline
HOLCZER. What I would like to know in particular is 1) what does "Kramer" refer
to underneath Maximilian Spiegler? Also, what is the information in the third
column and the last column?

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71115

Please respond with the Viewmate response form.

Thank you,

Mark Goldstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen German translation of a birth certificate #general

Mark Goldstein
 

Hello to all,

I have posted a copy of a birth certificate of my grandfather Wilhelm SPIEGLER
who was born in Kirchfidisch (then part of Austria-Hungary) in 1901. I am aware
of much of the contents: his father is Maximilian SPIEGLER, his mother Karoline
HOLCZER. What I would like to know in particular is 1) what does "Kramer" refer
to underneath Maximilian Spiegler? Also, what is the information in the third
column and the last column?

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM71115

Please respond with the Viewmate response form.

Thank you,

Mark Goldstein


ROSE Family Ancestry #germany

johnsselby@...
 

Dear GERSIGers
I am trying to confirm, through documented fact reports, the descendancy
between Jacob ROSE (1747 - 1821) married to Emilie KAHN (no known
dates), and their 'grandson' Julius Isaac ROSE (1842 - 1899) married
to Emma Loewenherz (1851 - 1894), as shown on some family trees. Your
assistance would be appreciated!

Regards John Selby, Gerrards Cross, England.

MODERATOR REMINDER: L o c a t i o n - always


German SIG #Germany ROSE Family Ancestry #germany

johnsselby@...
 

Dear GERSIGers
I am trying to confirm, through documented fact reports, the descendancy
between Jacob ROSE (1747 - 1821) married to Emilie KAHN (no known
dates), and their 'grandson' Julius Isaac ROSE (1842 - 1899) married
to Emma Loewenherz (1851 - 1894), as shown on some family trees. Your
assistance would be appreciated!

Regards John Selby, Gerrards Cross, England.

MODERATOR REMINDER: L o c a t i o n - always


Re: Yachsin, certificator of family trees ? #general

Judy Floam
 

And in Yiddish, the word "yichus" means having distinguished people in your
family tree.

Judy Floam

From: David Lewin david@lewinsdlondon.org.uk
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:25 AM
Transliteration of Hebrew always gives problems but thanks to the
fundamental Hebrew rule of word **roots** one can see what is meant to be
seen:

Yod Chet Samech = Yachas = Relationship

The intended word here was Yi'chu'sin = the family relationships between
people

I have a family tree of the kind which had the leaves written in with
individual names. It was written in Germany in 1842 and it was called
"Yichesbrief" = a "letter" showing the family relationships
At 13/01/2019, Alberto Guido Chester wrote:
While reading the novel "Just Revenge" by well known academic Alan M.
Dershowitz I found with surprise the mention of an official tracer of
family trees " who certified the bona fide of the claims made by
families concerning their rabbinical lineage". This profession in
Vilna, Lithuania was called a Yachsin.

I had never heard before of this as a way of tracing Jewish ancestors
as, for instance, that the first page of Siddurs were used to keep
family records.

The word yachsin shows no related results in Google.

Can someone illustrate on the profession of yachsin, where was it
usual, at what time in history it happened and any additional info ?

Thanks in advance.

Note: page 34 in the 2000 paperback edition.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Yachsin, certificator of family trees ? #general

Judy Floam
 

And in Yiddish, the word "yichus" means having distinguished people in your
family tree.

Judy Floam

From: David Lewin david@lewinsdlondon.org.uk
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:25 AM
Transliteration of Hebrew always gives problems but thanks to the
fundamental Hebrew rule of word **roots** one can see what is meant to be
seen:

Yod Chet Samech = Yachas = Relationship

The intended word here was Yi'chu'sin = the family relationships between
people

I have a family tree of the kind which had the leaves written in with
individual names. It was written in Germany in 1842 and it was called
"Yichesbrief" = a "letter" showing the family relationships
At 13/01/2019, Alberto Guido Chester wrote:
While reading the novel "Just Revenge" by well known academic Alan M.
Dershowitz I found with surprise the mention of an official tracer of
family trees " who certified the bona fide of the claims made by
families concerning their rabbinical lineage". This profession in
Vilna, Lithuania was called a Yachsin.

I had never heard before of this as a way of tracing Jewish ancestors
as, for instance, that the first page of Siddurs were used to keep
family records.

The word yachsin shows no related results in Google.

Can someone illustrate on the profession of yachsin, where was it
usual, at what time in history it happened and any additional info ?

Thanks in advance.

Note: page 34 in the 2000 paperback edition.


ViewMate Translation Request- Polish #general

Irv Adler
 

Dear Genners,

I've posted a birth announcement for my paternal grandmother in Polish for which
I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70945

Please respond via privately or on the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Irv Adler
Fort Wayne, Indiana


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate Translation Request- Polish #general

Irv Adler
 

Dear Genners,

I've posted a birth announcement for my paternal grandmother in Polish for which
I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM70945

Please respond via privately or on the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.

Irv Adler
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Where to deposit testimony #general

John Hoenig
 

I recently found a cousin in Romania and when I visited her she told us her life
story. She's a Holocaust survivor. We have written down what she said, translated
it to English, and added some references which back up what she said. We would
like to deposit her statement in appropriate places. I should know where to send
it but I don't. Can someone suggest a place or places?

Thanks.

John Hoenig
Williamsburg, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where to deposit testimony #general

John Hoenig
 

I recently found a cousin in Romania and when I visited her she told us her life
story. She's a Holocaust survivor. We have written down what she said, translated
it to English, and added some references which back up what she said. We would
like to deposit her statement in appropriate places. I should know where to send
it but I don't. Can someone suggest a place or places?

Thanks.

John Hoenig
Williamsburg, VA


Dachner family in Montreal #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the Dachner family in Montreal.
Jacob Shimon Dachner of Brooklyn NY had a son Israel Dachner and a
daughter who married and lives in Montreal. Jacob was the son of Rabbi
Pinchas Joseph Dachner who perished in Tarnow in 1943.

Neil Rosenstein

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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Dachner family in Montreal #rabbinic

Neil@...
 

Trying to make contact with the Dachner family in Montreal.
Jacob Shimon Dachner of Brooklyn NY had a son Israel Dachner and a
daughter who married and lives in Montreal. Jacob was the son of Rabbi
Pinchas Joseph Dachner who perished in Tarnow in 1943.

Neil Rosenstein

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