Date   

The next program of the JGS-Montreal: Monday, June 03, 2019 #lithuania

Merle Kastner <merlebk18@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal,
in association with the Jewish Public Library,
presents

Ralph Salinger

"A Project to Remember our Ancestors:
Vilkaviskis, Lithuania - Then and Now"

The meeting will be held on
Monday, June 03, 2019 at 7:30 pm
Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carre Cummings

For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops -
call the JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969

Please visit the JGS of Montreal website:
http://jgs-montreal.org/
and follow us in Facebook

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania The next program of the JGS-Montreal: Monday, June 03, 2019 #lithuania

Merle Kastner <merlebk18@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal,
in association with the Jewish Public Library,
presents

Ralph Salinger

"A Project to Remember our Ancestors:
Vilkaviskis, Lithuania - Then and Now"

The meeting will be held on
Monday, June 03, 2019 at 7:30 pm
Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carre Cummings

For all information on our upcoming meetings
& Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops -
call the JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969

Please visit the JGS of Montreal website:
http://jgs-montreal.org/
and follow us in Facebook

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


MyHeritage Free Access to Military Records May 22 to May 28 #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

MyHeritage is making their 47 million military records available for free
from May 22 to May 28 11:59 Central Time. The offer is good worldwide. Go
to: https://www.myheritage.com/research/category-3030/military-documents

There is no requirement to register nor any credit card information
requested. However, if you try to access the featured collection after the
May 28 date, or try to look at records not included in the featured
collection you will be invited to subscribe.

Note: I tried to find records on two of my relatives who served in World
War ll. Neither had any hits. When I tried the surname Goldberg, one of my
relative's names, what came up were registers not actual military records
specific to the person I am researching. If you do not get any hits for the
people you are researching, please understand it depends on what records are
included in the 47 million military records, and do not write back to me
about you're not finding your relatives' records.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MyHeritage Free Access to Military Records May 22 to May 28 #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

MyHeritage is making their 47 million military records available for free
from May 22 to May 28 11:59 Central Time. The offer is good worldwide. Go
to: https://www.myheritage.com/research/category-3030/military-documents

There is no requirement to register nor any credit card information
requested. However, if you try to access the featured collection after the
May 28 date, or try to look at records not included in the featured
collection you will be invited to subscribe.

Note: I tried to find records on two of my relatives who served in World
War ll. Neither had any hits. When I tried the surname Goldberg, one of my
relative's names, what came up were registers not actual military records
specific to the person I am researching. If you do not get any hits for the
people you are researching, please understand it depends on what records are
included in the 47 million military records, and do not write back to me
about you're not finding your relatives' records.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


(European Union) European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative Launches New Website With Surveys of 1500 Jewish Cemeteries #ukraine

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative (ESJF) has launched its new
website funded by the European Union. It has mapped 1500 cemeteries in 5
countries: Greece, Lithuania, Moldova, Slovakia and the Ukraine. See:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/category-3030/military-documents. The
open access data base include all the surveys being done in 2019-2020 may be
accessed at: https://www.esjf-surveys.org/surveys/

As each cemetery is completed and processed aerial photographs, historical
data and geographical data will be uploaded to the website. This is a work
in progress.

As previously reported, the European Union provided 800,000 Euros for the
project. The ESJF started work in 2015 by surveying and fencing Jewish
cemeteries to protect them >from destruction. With the EU grant, it has
expanded its mission using drone technology and historical research to map
the 1500 Jewish cemetery sites in the 5 aforementioned countries. TO read
more about the ESJF see: https://www.esjf-surveys.org/about-us/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine (European Union) European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative Launches New Website With Surveys of 1500 Jewish Cemeteries #ukraine

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The European Jewish Cemeteries Initiative (ESJF) has launched its new
website funded by the European Union. It has mapped 1500 cemeteries in 5
countries: Greece, Lithuania, Moldova, Slovakia and the Ukraine. See:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/category-3030/military-documents. The
open access data base include all the surveys being done in 2019-2020 may be
accessed at: https://www.esjf-surveys.org/surveys/

As each cemetery is completed and processed aerial photographs, historical
data and geographical data will be uploaded to the website. This is a work
in progress.

As previously reported, the European Union provided 800,000 Euros for the
project. The ESJF started work in 2015 by surveying and fencing Jewish
cemeteries to protect them >from destruction. With the EU grant, it has
expanded its mission using drone technology and historical research to map
the 1500 Jewish cemetery sites in the 5 aforementioned countries. TO read
more about the ESJF see: https://www.esjf-surveys.org/about-us/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Grandfather from Wangerin / Wegorzyno #germany

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Dear Dieter

For working purposes let's assume:

(a) that your grandfather actually lived in Wangerin, rather than e.g. in a
neighbouring village or just passing through; and
(b) that he was himself Jewish, as distinct >from merely working for a Jewish
employer.

With that caveat, and while I don't have specific answers for you, I think
we can considerably narrow down the field.

In Zur Erinnerung und zum Gedenken: die einstigen juedischen Gemeinden
Pommerns, written and published privately by Gerhard Salinger 2006,
there is a specific section on the Jews of Wangerin at pages 844 to 847.

To quote: "Im Jahre 1907 bestand der Vorstand aus Hermann GOTTSCHALK,
Philipp PHILIPPSOHN und M. DOBRIN. 1911 wird nur noch eine Seelenzahl
von 25 genannt, davon waren 10 Steuerzahler. Der damalige letzte
Lehrer FRANZUS unterrichtete bloss noch drei Kinder." Also: "Bis 1933
wohnten noch die folgenden juedischen Familien in Wangerin:
Georg MANNHEIM, Kohlen- und Getreidegeschaeft, Langestr. 18;
Philipp PHILIPPSOHN, Rentier, Langestr. 16; Ruben WALTER,
Textilgeschaeft, Langestr. 20; Willi WORECZEK, Textilgeschaeft,
Langestr. 74."

In the circumstances your grandfather's surname would most likely have been
one of the seven mentioned above. If you can trace living descendants of
any of those families, you may be able to achieve more through DNA matching.


Good luck,
Peter Lobbenberg, London, England

Dieter Schimmelpfennig wrote:

My grandmother Elfriede Ida Mathilde WUTZKE was born in 1893 as the
daughter of an evangelical-lutheran family in Wangerin, Kreis ( County )
Regenwalde, Pomerania / today Wegorzyno, Poland. In 1912 she worked for
the family of a Jewish salesman ( names unknown ) in Wangerin and became
pregnant. My father Harry Otto WUTZKE was born in 1913 not as usual in
those days at home or in the nearest hospital, but in a special hospital
in Stettin, the capital of Pomerania.

In 1920 she married Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG, a bookprinter in the city of
Schivelbein / today Swidwin, Poland. He did not adopt my father but
Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG suddenly was the owner of a house and a shop in
the mains treet of Schivelbein. It was said "they bought Harry Otto a
father". In those days that was not unusual.

My father studied in Stettin. Than he went to Elbing / today Elblag,
Poland to learn to work as a teacher. In 1933 he should work as a
teacher for the first time. But now, because of the Nazis, he had to
confirm that he was "of german blood". So Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG declared
in 1933, that he is "the real father" of Harry Otto and his son is "of
german blood". That is not really possible, because Erich S. was 15
years old, when my father was born.

Some years later my father had to become a soldier. When he came back in
1948 >from a Russian POW-Camp, the family was expelled >from Pomerania and
his mother and some other members of the family had died. Erich S. was
married again.

During the next years my father tried to find out the name of his real
father. He knew that his father was Jewish. The persons who knew
something about his father are either dead or not willing to talk about it.

I tried several years to find something about my grandfather without any
success. Last year I made 3 DNA-Testings ( myheritage, ancestry and
familytreedna ) and found out that I have between 20 % and 25 % (
differences between the providers ) ashkenazy DNA.

That is the point where I am. I have no idea what to do next.


German SIG #Germany Re: Grandfather from Wangerin / Wegorzyno #germany

Peter Lobbenberg
 

Dear Dieter

For working purposes let's assume:

(a) that your grandfather actually lived in Wangerin, rather than e.g. in a
neighbouring village or just passing through; and
(b) that he was himself Jewish, as distinct >from merely working for a Jewish
employer.

With that caveat, and while I don't have specific answers for you, I think
we can considerably narrow down the field.

In Zur Erinnerung und zum Gedenken: die einstigen juedischen Gemeinden
Pommerns, written and published privately by Gerhard Salinger 2006,
there is a specific section on the Jews of Wangerin at pages 844 to 847.

To quote: "Im Jahre 1907 bestand der Vorstand aus Hermann GOTTSCHALK,
Philipp PHILIPPSOHN und M. DOBRIN. 1911 wird nur noch eine Seelenzahl
von 25 genannt, davon waren 10 Steuerzahler. Der damalige letzte
Lehrer FRANZUS unterrichtete bloss noch drei Kinder." Also: "Bis 1933
wohnten noch die folgenden juedischen Familien in Wangerin:
Georg MANNHEIM, Kohlen- und Getreidegeschaeft, Langestr. 18;
Philipp PHILIPPSOHN, Rentier, Langestr. 16; Ruben WALTER,
Textilgeschaeft, Langestr. 20; Willi WORECZEK, Textilgeschaeft,
Langestr. 74."

In the circumstances your grandfather's surname would most likely have been
one of the seven mentioned above. If you can trace living descendants of
any of those families, you may be able to achieve more through DNA matching.


Good luck,
Peter Lobbenberg, London, England

Dieter Schimmelpfennig wrote:

My grandmother Elfriede Ida Mathilde WUTZKE was born in 1893 as the
daughter of an evangelical-lutheran family in Wangerin, Kreis ( County )
Regenwalde, Pomerania / today Wegorzyno, Poland. In 1912 she worked for
the family of a Jewish salesman ( names unknown ) in Wangerin and became
pregnant. My father Harry Otto WUTZKE was born in 1913 not as usual in
those days at home or in the nearest hospital, but in a special hospital
in Stettin, the capital of Pomerania.

In 1920 she married Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG, a bookprinter in the city of
Schivelbein / today Swidwin, Poland. He did not adopt my father but
Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG suddenly was the owner of a house and a shop in
the mains treet of Schivelbein. It was said "they bought Harry Otto a
father". In those days that was not unusual.

My father studied in Stettin. Than he went to Elbing / today Elblag,
Poland to learn to work as a teacher. In 1933 he should work as a
teacher for the first time. But now, because of the Nazis, he had to
confirm that he was "of german blood". So Erich SCHIMMELPFENNIG declared
in 1933, that he is "the real father" of Harry Otto and his son is "of
german blood". That is not really possible, because Erich S. was 15
years old, when my father was born.

Some years later my father had to become a soldier. When he came back in
1948 >from a Russian POW-Camp, the family was expelled >from Pomerania and
his mother and some other members of the family had died. Erich S. was
married again.

During the next years my father tried to find out the name of his real
father. He knew that his father was Jewish. The persons who knew
something about his father are either dead or not willing to talk about it.

I tried several years to find something about my grandfather without any
success. Last year I made 3 DNA-Testings ( myheritage, ancestry and
familytreedna ) and found out that I have between 20 % and 25 % (
differences between the providers ) ashkenazy DNA.

That is the point where I am. I have no idea what to do next.


Jonas/Yonah STEINBERGER - Austria/Hungary #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

So, I just unlocked another half level of finding names going back by
finding my great-grandfather's death certificate which had his
father's name on it - Jonas Steinberger. This sort of jives with an
older reference I had (non-official) that his name was Yonah.

I know my great-grandfather was born in 1877, to give a point of
reference. Unfortunately, I don't really know much more about this
branch of the tree. Thus, I've been trying to find any records and
connections going back up this line.

However, I'm unsure of where I can go to search any records of
Austria-Hungary to try to learn more. I'm used to searching Polish
records and using JRI-Poland, but the relevant link on the SIGs page
doesn't seem to have that functionality.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

-Dovie Gelerinter


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jonas/Yonah STEINBERGER - Austria/Hungary #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

So, I just unlocked another half level of finding names going back by
finding my great-grandfather's death certificate which had his
father's name on it - Jonas Steinberger. This sort of jives with an
older reference I had (non-official) that his name was Yonah.

I know my great-grandfather was born in 1877, to give a point of
reference. Unfortunately, I don't really know much more about this
branch of the tree. Thus, I've been trying to find any records and
connections going back up this line.

However, I'm unsure of where I can go to search any records of
Austria-Hungary to try to learn more. I'm used to searching Polish
records and using JRI-Poland, but the relevant link on the SIGs page
doesn't seem to have that functionality.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

-Dovie Gelerinter


IAJGS Welcomes New Member - Jewish Genealogical Society of Nashville #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome the Jewish Genealogical Society of Nashville as the
newest member of our growing family of IAJGS organizations. For more
information about the group, please contact Roy Hiller (president) or
Caroline Miller (Secretary-Treasurer) at nashvillejgs@gmail.com

The group's next meeting will be this Sunday May 26th at the Gordon Jewish
Community Center (801 Percy Warner Blvd, Nashville, 615-356-7170) >from 2:00
PM to 4:00 PM. The meeting will discuss how to search burial records and
understand headstone engravings. This will set up the following meeting, an
outing at Nashville's Temple Cemetery. For more details, please contact
nashvillejgs@gmail.com

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. For more information on
IAJGS, please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IAJGS Welcomes New Member - Jewish Genealogical Society of Nashville #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome the Jewish Genealogical Society of Nashville as the
newest member of our growing family of IAJGS organizations. For more
information about the group, please contact Roy Hiller (president) or
Caroline Miller (Secretary-Treasurer) at nashvillejgs@gmail.com

The group's next meeting will be this Sunday May 26th at the Gordon Jewish
Community Center (801 Percy Warner Blvd, Nashville, 615-356-7170) >from 2:00
PM to 4:00 PM. The meeting will discuss how to search burial records and
understand headstone engravings. This will set up the following meeting, an
outing at Nashville's Temple Cemetery. For more details, please contact
nashvillejgs@gmail.com

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. For more information on
IAJGS, please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development


Southern California Genealogical Jamboree Live Streaming Open for Registration FREE #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Southern California Genealogy Jamboree - May 31-June 2 announced, thanks
to Ancestry for underwriting the 12 live-streamed Southern California
Genealogy Jamboree (SCGJ) presenters, they are providing for free all 12
live-streamed sessions. If you can't watch it live, it is available until
July 31, 2019. This is available to individuals only. You need to register
at: https://webcastandbeyond.com/streaming/jamboree/ You will then receive
an email with your username and password. Please save your username /
password as this will grant you access to all of the live-streamed Jamboree
sessions as well as the recorded archives through July 31 2019.

This is open to anyone worldwide. SCGS membership is not required to
subscribe to Live Streaming

To see the list of sessions go to: See:
http://genealogyjamboree.com/genealogy-jamboree-streaming/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Southern California Genealogical Jamboree Live Streaming Open for Registration FREE #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Southern California Genealogy Jamboree - May 31-June 2 announced, thanks
to Ancestry for underwriting the 12 live-streamed Southern California
Genealogy Jamboree (SCGJ) presenters, they are providing for free all 12
live-streamed sessions. If you can't watch it live, it is available until
July 31, 2019. This is available to individuals only. You need to register
at: https://webcastandbeyond.com/streaming/jamboree/ You will then receive
an email with your username and password. Please save your username /
password as this will grant you access to all of the live-streamed Jamboree
sessions as well as the recorded archives through July 31 2019.

This is open to anyone worldwide. SCGS membership is not required to
subscribe to Live Streaming

To see the list of sessions go to: See:
http://genealogyjamboree.com/genealogy-jamboree-streaming/

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Numbers on cadastral map #galicia

Jay Osborn <jay.osborn@...>
 

David Ellis wrote:

The All Galicia Database on geshergalicia.org has a record for my ancestor
Moses MESSER. The House Owners database for Rozdol in 1850 lists his
house number 31/b and building parcel 83.

The cadastral map for Rozdol shows numbers on all the buildings. Number
31 faces the entry to a synagogue (29), and number 83 faces the central
market square. Are they house numbers or building parcel numbers?
The map of Rozdol is a late-state (finished) cadastral map, so the
numbers on the buildings are building parcel (tax) numbers. For your
ancestor, you should focus on the number 83 you identified facing the
market square. Because the property owners register and the map date
from the same survey, you can be confident in the correlation of your
family with that location in Rozdol, at least in 1850.

You have asked a good question, and one which applies to many
researchers who have found maps for their towns on the Gesher Galicia
Map Room. The answer to this question will vary >from case to case,
depending on the type of map we have online, so it's always good to
check.

By the way, the map of Rozdol and this very question were discussed in
a Map Corner article in the March 2017 edition of Gesher Galicia's
quarterly research journal, The Galitzianer. The journal is a benefit
for Gesher Galicia members (including access to past issues).

A related question: Do you have a link to a page with the legend for the
cadastral maps?
Yes - more information about cadastral maps and a good example of the
legends which accompanied the maps are on the References page of the
Map Room:
https://maps.geshergalicia.org/references/
The legend image is at:
https://maps.geshergalicia.org/references/cad_legend_de.jpg
but I recommend reviewing all of the information on the References
page to support your research.

Thank you, and kind regards,

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Digital Maps Manager


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Numbers on cadastral map #galicia

Jay Osborn <jay.osborn@...>
 

David Ellis wrote:

The All Galicia Database on geshergalicia.org has a record for my ancestor
Moses MESSER. The House Owners database for Rozdol in 1850 lists his
house number 31/b and building parcel 83.

The cadastral map for Rozdol shows numbers on all the buildings. Number
31 faces the entry to a synagogue (29), and number 83 faces the central
market square. Are they house numbers or building parcel numbers?
The map of Rozdol is a late-state (finished) cadastral map, so the
numbers on the buildings are building parcel (tax) numbers. For your
ancestor, you should focus on the number 83 you identified facing the
market square. Because the property owners register and the map date
from the same survey, you can be confident in the correlation of your
family with that location in Rozdol, at least in 1850.

You have asked a good question, and one which applies to many
researchers who have found maps for their towns on the Gesher Galicia
Map Room. The answer to this question will vary >from case to case,
depending on the type of map we have online, so it's always good to
check.

By the way, the map of Rozdol and this very question were discussed in
a Map Corner article in the March 2017 edition of Gesher Galicia's
quarterly research journal, The Galitzianer. The journal is a benefit
for Gesher Galicia members (including access to past issues).

A related question: Do you have a link to a page with the legend for the
cadastral maps?
Yes - more information about cadastral maps and a good example of the
legends which accompanied the maps are on the References page of the
Map Room:
https://maps.geshergalicia.org/references/
The legend image is at:
https://maps.geshergalicia.org/references/cad_legend_de.jpg
but I recommend reviewing all of the information on the References
page to support your research.

Thank you, and kind regards,

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Digital Maps Manager


Find My Past to Make Deceased Relatives On Your Online Trees Available to Everyone #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

For those who have their trees on Findmypast you may find this of interest.
Effective July 1 the deceased relatives ( they say ancestors but I presume
they mean relatives not everyone is a direct line ancestor) will become
sharable as hints. They are doing this for a more "collaborative
experience". This is optional. If you do not want your deceased relatives
open to everyone you can follow the directions to change the default
setting: "open your tree, select 'Tree settings' (cog icon near the top
right), untick the 'Share deceased ancestors' box and save the changes." If
your tree settings are not marked private before July 1 and you don't want
to share it is best to change your setting before the July 1st deadline.
Once they are shared as a hint they can't be taken back by later changing
your setting to private.

Previously, all information on Findmypast was considered private. If you
included information >from relatives who asked it be kept private you should
contact them for permission if you want your deceased relatives to become
public information and take their guidance. This may mean not permitting the
public view or removing them >from your online tree on Findmypast.

To read the new frequently asked questions see:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/tree-change-faqs

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Find My Past to Make Deceased Relatives On Your Online Trees Available to Everyone #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

For those who have their trees on Findmypast you may find this of interest.
Effective July 1 the deceased relatives ( they say ancestors but I presume
they mean relatives not everyone is a direct line ancestor) will become
sharable as hints. They are doing this for a more "collaborative
experience". This is optional. If you do not want your deceased relatives
open to everyone you can follow the directions to change the default
setting: "open your tree, select 'Tree settings' (cog icon near the top
right), untick the 'Share deceased ancestors' box and save the changes." If
your tree settings are not marked private before July 1 and you don't want
to share it is best to change your setting before the July 1st deadline.
Once they are shared as a hint they can't be taken back by later changing
your setting to private.

Previously, all information on Findmypast was considered private. If you
included information >from relatives who asked it be kept private you should
contact them for permission if you want your deceased relatives to become
public information and take their guidance. This may mean not permitting the
public view or removing them >from your online tree on Findmypast.

To read the new frequently asked questions see:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/tree-change-faqs

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Out of the box solution ?? Can anyone help #general

David Zoldan
 

In a tape recording made in 1989 my grandmother related that her
grandfather Shraga Feivel Chesner of Chelm was often consulted on
halachic questions. My grandmother continued on the tape "in fact that
is how he died... " Grandma said that after he provided the answers to
the people, they would give him a potch or pat him on the back, "and
tell him shkoyach (thank you) Reb Feivel ... and I guess after all those
potches he just ... passed away".

Now, of course, I don't think he died >from being patted on the back.
Obviously.

But, I do think that my grandmother was remembering some story which has
some truth in it. Perhaps that truth could be valuable to me.

I realize there is no one who could tell what happened. But perhaps
somebody could provide a suggestion what this could be, some out of the
box solution.

Thanks for reading.

David Zoldan
researcher # 382214

Researching in Poland - Chesner, Einbinder, Bienenfeld, Sova, Kapota,
Tyk, Rozenknopf
Researching in the Carpathians - Zoldan, Steinberg, Meyer, Shlezinger,
Solomon, Weisberger


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Out of the box solution ?? Can anyone help #general

David Zoldan
 

In a tape recording made in 1989 my grandmother related that her
grandfather Shraga Feivel Chesner of Chelm was often consulted on
halachic questions. My grandmother continued on the tape "in fact that
is how he died... " Grandma said that after he provided the answers to
the people, they would give him a potch or pat him on the back, "and
tell him shkoyach (thank you) Reb Feivel ... and I guess after all those
potches he just ... passed away".

Now, of course, I don't think he died >from being patted on the back.
Obviously.

But, I do think that my grandmother was remembering some story which has
some truth in it. Perhaps that truth could be valuable to me.

I realize there is no one who could tell what happened. But perhaps
somebody could provide a suggestion what this could be, some out of the
box solution.

Thanks for reading.

David Zoldan
researcher # 382214

Researching in Poland - Chesner, Einbinder, Bienenfeld, Sova, Kapota,
Tyk, Rozenknopf
Researching in the Carpathians - Zoldan, Steinberg, Meyer, Shlezinger,
Solomon, Weisberger

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