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Three grades of membership in LatviasSIG #latvia

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I feel compelled to reply to Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn's e-mail regarding
the 'three grades of membership'. First of all, the Latvia SIG mailing
list is hosted by Jewishgen, and there is no fee for joining. The 'other'
Latvia SIG is a paid membership organization that was founded before the
mailing list was established (see the history on our web site). There are
membership dues largely because of the costs of printing and mailing our
quarterly newsletter (also called Latvia SIG). The membership organization
includes members who do not have computers, and do not have access to
e-mail or the World Wide Web. Our first newsletter editor was in this
category (currently about 75% of the membership is 'connected'), and was
very adamant about not giving information out for free. The compromise we
arrived at was to set a policy that no data would appear on the web site
without first being published in the newsletter.

I have done some spot surveys over the last couple of years, and have found
that there are a lot of people on the mailing list who are not paid
members, and that many paid members are not subscribed to the mailing list.
In fact, there are really two groups, with considerable overlap. In
addition, the fact that I am moderator of the mailing list has nothing to
do with the fact that I am president of the Latvia SIG. There was nobody
else to do it, so I am doing it. The two organizations are really
separate, even though the mission is the same.

I sense, that there is yet a third and higher grade of membership. It is
for those, who make the decisions for us. They moderate and monitor the
e-mail ,nd decide who is allowed access to our e-mail forum and what may be
said. It seems that to belong to the highest grade, a person must
contribute significant time and effort to LatvianSIG. I admire the good
people, who volunteer so much time and effort to make LatvianSIG a more
effective and productive tool for genealogical research and free exchange of
genealogical information, They rightly deserve our admiration and public
accolades,
But I also cherish the democratic rights of free speech for all of us, be we
1 . subscription members only, 2. paid up members, or 3. ruling members.
As for the third 'ruling class', there are three people (four, if you count
our former newsletter editor who is not on the mailing list) who have
basically carried the Latvia SIG >from its inception. As with many
membership organizations, many people are full of suggestions, but when it
comes down to doing any work, they are strangely absent. I would like
nothing better than to turn over the SIG presidency as of the next summer
seminar. It is far too time-consuming, and I just don't have the time
necessary to do the job properly. David Hoffman, co-chair of the
LitvakSIG, is semi-retired and devotes more time to the SIG than most
people spend at their full time jobs. I have avoided dealing with issues
of databases and other things which need to be done because I know these
are complex projects that take more time than I have to do them. I work
full time, and my job has been taking up an increasing portion of my time,
and I would like to leave some time for myself and my family (not to
mention my own genealogical research).

I have not been an active moderator, and have done absolutely NO screening
of messages--if you submit it, it gets distributed. The mailing lists have
only had moderation capabilities for the last several months, when
Jewishgen changed the software that administers mailing lists. Frankly, I
don't have the time to do real moderation, and so far, there hasn't really
been the need to do so.

I hope this addresses all the concerns that were raised. The dual
organization issue has always been somewhat ambiguous. It is Jewishgen
policy not to charge for mailing list membership--period. As long as there
are genealogists who do not have computers, there will be a need for a hard
copy newsletter (we also have a number of institional members, including
JGS's and libraries, who are subscribers), and the expenses which go with
that. The 'paid' SIG may also finance research projects or purchase
documents of general interest, should we accumulate enough money to do so.

Regarding comments on the newsletter, our web site has a full list of
articles published in back issues
<http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/newsindx.html>, including articles on some
of the topics suggested by Prof. Hirschhorn. Back issues are available for
purchase by anybody, paid or otherwise. (note: Paid members receive all
issues for the year they have joined, regardless of when they join.)

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Regards,

Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>


Latvia SIG #Latvia Three grades of membership in LatviasSIG #latvia

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

I feel compelled to reply to Prof. Harry J. Hirschhorn's e-mail regarding
the 'three grades of membership'. First of all, the Latvia SIG mailing
list is hosted by Jewishgen, and there is no fee for joining. The 'other'
Latvia SIG is a paid membership organization that was founded before the
mailing list was established (see the history on our web site). There are
membership dues largely because of the costs of printing and mailing our
quarterly newsletter (also called Latvia SIG). The membership organization
includes members who do not have computers, and do not have access to
e-mail or the World Wide Web. Our first newsletter editor was in this
category (currently about 75% of the membership is 'connected'), and was
very adamant about not giving information out for free. The compromise we
arrived at was to set a policy that no data would appear on the web site
without first being published in the newsletter.

I have done some spot surveys over the last couple of years, and have found
that there are a lot of people on the mailing list who are not paid
members, and that many paid members are not subscribed to the mailing list.
In fact, there are really two groups, with considerable overlap. In
addition, the fact that I am moderator of the mailing list has nothing to
do with the fact that I am president of the Latvia SIG. There was nobody
else to do it, so I am doing it. The two organizations are really
separate, even though the mission is the same.

I sense, that there is yet a third and higher grade of membership. It is
for those, who make the decisions for us. They moderate and monitor the
e-mail ,nd decide who is allowed access to our e-mail forum and what may be
said. It seems that to belong to the highest grade, a person must
contribute significant time and effort to LatvianSIG. I admire the good
people, who volunteer so much time and effort to make LatvianSIG a more
effective and productive tool for genealogical research and free exchange of
genealogical information, They rightly deserve our admiration and public
accolades,
But I also cherish the democratic rights of free speech for all of us, be we
1 . subscription members only, 2. paid up members, or 3. ruling members.
As for the third 'ruling class', there are three people (four, if you count
our former newsletter editor who is not on the mailing list) who have
basically carried the Latvia SIG >from its inception. As with many
membership organizations, many people are full of suggestions, but when it
comes down to doing any work, they are strangely absent. I would like
nothing better than to turn over the SIG presidency as of the next summer
seminar. It is far too time-consuming, and I just don't have the time
necessary to do the job properly. David Hoffman, co-chair of the
LitvakSIG, is semi-retired and devotes more time to the SIG than most
people spend at their full time jobs. I have avoided dealing with issues
of databases and other things which need to be done because I know these
are complex projects that take more time than I have to do them. I work
full time, and my job has been taking up an increasing portion of my time,
and I would like to leave some time for myself and my family (not to
mention my own genealogical research).

I have not been an active moderator, and have done absolutely NO screening
of messages--if you submit it, it gets distributed. The mailing lists have
only had moderation capabilities for the last several months, when
Jewishgen changed the software that administers mailing lists. Frankly, I
don't have the time to do real moderation, and so far, there hasn't really
been the need to do so.

I hope this addresses all the concerns that were raised. The dual
organization issue has always been somewhat ambiguous. It is Jewishgen
policy not to charge for mailing list membership--period. As long as there
are genealogists who do not have computers, there will be a need for a hard
copy newsletter (we also have a number of institional members, including
JGS's and libraries, who are subscribers), and the expenses which go with
that. The 'paid' SIG may also finance research projects or purchase
documents of general interest, should we accumulate enough money to do so.

Regarding comments on the newsletter, our web site has a full list of
articles published in back issues
<http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/newsindx.html>, including articles on some
of the topics suggested by Prof. Hirschhorn. Back issues are available for
purchase by anybody, paid or otherwise. (note: Paid members receive all
issues for the year they have joined, regardless of when they join.)

Hope this clarifies the situation.

Regards,

Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>


POHOST(?) and BEHEMLE(?) #belarus

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

I have just received information on my GORDON
family, placing some of them in "POHOST not far
from Dahlinav" (is that perhaps Posthavy??) and
"BEHEMLE in Minsk county."

My information is in Hebrew and the two towns are
written:
pe-vav-he-vav-samech-tet
bet-ayin-he-ayin-mem-lamed-ayin

Anyone know anything about records in these towns?

Israel Pickholtz
Descendant of GORDON >from Dolginov/Dalhinav,
ROSENBLOOM >from Borisov, KUGEL >from Pleshchenitsy


Belarus SIG #Belarus POHOST(?) and BEHEMLE(?) #belarus

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

I have just received information on my GORDON
family, placing some of them in "POHOST not far
from Dahlinav" (is that perhaps Posthavy??) and
"BEHEMLE in Minsk county."

My information is in Hebrew and the two towns are
written:
pe-vav-he-vav-samech-tet
bet-ayin-he-ayin-mem-lamed-ayin

Anyone know anything about records in these towns?

Israel Pickholtz
Descendant of GORDON >from Dolginov/Dalhinav,
ROSENBLOOM >from Borisov, KUGEL >from Pleshchenitsy


Re: database development #latvia

Iris B. Sitkin <iris-macsie@...>
 

If anybody with database
experience (and I mean more than just creating an Access database on your
desktop PC for personal use) would like to volunteer to lead this effort
(Sid, are you out there???), please contact me.
I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@home.com


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: database development #latvia

Iris B. Sitkin <iris-macsie@...>
 

If anybody with database
experience (and I mean more than just creating an Access database on your
desktop PC for personal use) would like to volunteer to lead this effort
(Sid, are you out there???), please contact me.
I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@home.com


Re: database development #latvia

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

Iris, Joel, and everybody,

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

Yes, that is true, but I am assuming that Michael Tobias has a life of his
own, and can't do everything himself. Don't forget that Jewishgen labor is
entirely volunteer. The more we know about what we want and how we want to
set it up, the better off we will be. Anything having to do with the data
collection and input will need to be our own (I believe that Susan King had
once told me that they can handle a variety of formats, but we can talk to
them about it). We can give the data to Jewishgen, and they can set up the
search engine, but the rest of it is up to us.

(>from Joel Jakobson):
With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:
This is a possibility, but again, this depends on the number of volunteers
we have and how generous Jewishgen will be with disk space (remember,
nothing is free, and Jewishgen incurs considerable costs to provide its
services). Scanning is a very slow process, as anyone with a scanner will
tell you, especially if you have a lot to scan, not to mention that scanned
documents may require further editing (cropping, sharpening, etc.). This
is something that definitely bears looking into.


Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: database development #latvia

Marion Werle <werle@...>
 

Iris, Joel, and everybody,

I was under the impression that Michael Tobias developed the db for
LitvakSIG as he did for many Jewgen dbs.

iris

Yes, that is true, but I am assuming that Michael Tobias has a life of his
own, and can't do everything himself. Don't forget that Jewishgen labor is
entirely volunteer. The more we know about what we want and how we want to
set it up, the better off we will be. Anything having to do with the data
collection and input will need to be our own (I believe that Susan King had
once told me that they can handle a variety of formats, but we can talk to
them about it). We can give the data to Jewishgen, and they can set up the
search engine, but the rest of it is up to us.

(>from Joel Jakobson):
With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:
This is a possibility, but again, this depends on the number of volunteers
we have and how generous Jewishgen will be with disk space (remember,
nothing is free, and Jewishgen incurs considerable costs to provide its
services). Scanning is a very slow process, as anyone with a scanner will
tell you, especially if you have a lot to scan, not to mention that scanned
documents may require further editing (cropping, sharpening, etc.). This
is something that definitely bears looking into.


Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>


Re: Bochnia #galicia

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 98-11-28 19:42:15 EST, gurtler@netvision.net.il writes:

Shtetl of Bochnia. I have been looking for any records or materials
relating to the this town located near Krakow. Any
help would be appreciated.

The Polish State Archives have the Bochnia birth records for the
following years:

1825, 1830, 1844, 1856, 1860, 1863-1869, 1878-1882

For information on how to order records >from the Polish State Archives
which have not yet been indexed by Jewish Records Indexing - Poland,
refer to Warren Blatt's
<A HREF="http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html">PolandV</A>
infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Bochnia #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 98-11-28 19:42:15 EST, gurtler@netvision.net.il writes:

Shtetl of Bochnia. I have been looking for any records or materials
relating to the this town located near Krakow. Any
help would be appreciated.

The Polish State Archives have the Bochnia birth records for the
following years:

1825, 1830, 1844, 1856, 1860, 1863-1869, 1878-1882

For information on how to order records >from the Polish State Archives
which have not yet been indexed by Jewish Records Indexing - Poland,
refer to Warren Blatt's
<A HREF="http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/polandv.html">PolandV</A>
infofile on JewishGen.

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Re: latvia digest: November 27, 1998 #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

YES!! It sounds like we awaken >from our slumber! I have a lot of material
from Feigmanis, pages and pages, which include other names than my
HIMMELHOCH. Being very enthusiastic, but rather dense with regard to the
computer, I need more specific guidelines. What kind of a format should I
create? Should I list the names and whatever else is there [written in
fractur Gothic]? Or how should we work this out?

I have, by the way, copied the entire microfilm of the Pilten Pinkas into
hard copy, which runs >from about 1840. I have been working on translating
it >from Hebrew and Germano-Hebrew/Yiddish into English, but it is not an
easy feat! So that is what I am doing with my spare time for our SIG, for
the moment.

Martha

--
Martha LEVINSON Lev-Zion >from Israel <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

Researching:
LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.
HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.
LEVOR/LEFOR (Barchfeld, Germany) Anyplace in the world.
ROTHSCHILD (Bamberg, Germany)
BERNET/BARNET (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany)
HIMMELREICH (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: latvia digest: November 27, 1998 #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

YES!! It sounds like we awaken >from our slumber! I have a lot of material
from Feigmanis, pages and pages, which include other names than my
HIMMELHOCH. Being very enthusiastic, but rather dense with regard to the
computer, I need more specific guidelines. What kind of a format should I
create? Should I list the names and whatever else is there [written in
fractur Gothic]? Or how should we work this out?

I have, by the way, copied the entire microfilm of the Pilten Pinkas into
hard copy, which runs >from about 1840. I have been working on translating
it >from Hebrew and Germano-Hebrew/Yiddish into English, but it is not an
easy feat! So that is what I am doing with my spare time for our SIG, for
the moment.

Martha

--
Martha LEVINSON Lev-Zion >from Israel <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

Researching:
LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.
HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.
LEVOR/LEFOR (Barchfeld, Germany) Anyplace in the world.
ROTHSCHILD (Bamberg, Germany)
BERNET/BARNET (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany)
HIMMELREICH (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany


Hyperlinks to scanned documents #latvia

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc13656/

If the Danes could do it, maybe we can too?

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@swipnet.se


Latvia SIG #Latvia Hyperlinks to scanned documents #latvia

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

With the Litvak discussion about "clarifications" of original data fresh in
mind, I have a suggestion to the building of a Latvian database:

The original documents should be scanned into a tif (or jpg or whatever)
format and each entry in the database (=name) be hyperlinked to the original
document. This would allow any researcher when finding a relative in the
database to also crosscheck the data with the scanned original source for
possible errors by us volounteers who have interpreted and typed in the
data. No matter how cautious we are there is always a risk for an accidental
mistyping which could be hazardous for the future researcher.

I have no idea if the idea of scanned documents would be just too time
consuming, or if the available space on hard discs is an obstacle. But a
good illustration is available in the Danish Emigrant Database (sometimes a
bit slow) at:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc13656/

If the Danes could do it, maybe we can too?

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@swipnet.se


Records of Family Adopting Last Names #general

gayle riley <key2pst@...>
 

As anyone ever seen a record of families adopting last names? in Poland?
Belarus? late 1700's or early 1800's. I wonder if somewhere there are
records showing which family took which last names. ANY thoughts.
Gayle Riley
San Gabriel, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records of Family Adopting Last Names #general

gayle riley <key2pst@...>
 

As anyone ever seen a record of families adopting last names? in Poland?
Belarus? late 1700's or early 1800's. I wonder if somewhere there are
records showing which family took which last names. ANY thoughts.
Gayle Riley
San Gabriel, Ca


Re: Searching: LORD, early 1900's #general

Patricia Adams
 

Sirs I'm seeking any and all info about the Leo and Dora LORD family who
migrated >from Russia Poland via possibly England about 1902 or 05. Also
related are the Sachs and Alexander families. They were all members of a
Family Circle in N.Y.C. in the thirties and forties.
Am also seeking the Aaron and Yetta Levy who migrated >from the same area
via
London approx 1909. I do not know the name of the town they came from.
Please circulate my message to your subscribers.
Gert Lord
Although I can not help you with any of the names you listed, I am wondering
if you or any others have followed the families that stayed in England for
awhile on their way to the US. I believe that that was the situation with
my gparents. I believe that my father may have been born there and am
checking for a birth certificate. Do you know where they might have stayed?
Was there some sort of jewish community that assissted these people on their
way >from Poland/Russia to America during that time period?
Thanks for any information that may be available.

Patricia Adams
Alstead, NH

Researching: Smith, Schmid, Goldstein,Rosenthal, Dubin, Schneider


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: LORD, early 1900's #general

Patricia Adams
 

Sirs I'm seeking any and all info about the Leo and Dora LORD family who
migrated >from Russia Poland via possibly England about 1902 or 05. Also
related are the Sachs and Alexander families. They were all members of a
Family Circle in N.Y.C. in the thirties and forties.
Am also seeking the Aaron and Yetta Levy who migrated >from the same area
via
London approx 1909. I do not know the name of the town they came from.
Please circulate my message to your subscribers.
Gert Lord
Although I can not help you with any of the names you listed, I am wondering
if you or any others have followed the families that stayed in England for
awhile on their way to the US. I believe that that was the situation with
my gparents. I believe that my father may have been born there and am
checking for a birth certificate. Do you know where they might have stayed?
Was there some sort of jewish community that assissted these people on their
way >from Poland/Russia to America during that time period?
Thanks for any information that may be available.

Patricia Adams
Alstead, NH

Researching: Smith, Schmid, Goldstein,Rosenthal, Dubin, Schneider


Searching: SERVETNIK, Phila #general

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

Just came across telegrams sent to my parents for their wedding
in 1922. I know about most of them except the name SERVETNIK >from Philadelphia. The telegrams were sent to Ida HORWITZ
(father=Naphtali HOROWITZ >from Szumsk- Mother: Faiga GOLDMAN from
Koretz). I believe it was >from her family since she had an Aunt
Dora GLICK)in Philadelphia. She married Joseph Rosenthal
from Kamenetz Podolsk. Does anyone know a Servetnik family
originally >from Philadelphia??

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SERVETNIK, Phila #general

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

Just came across telegrams sent to my parents for their wedding
in 1922. I know about most of them except the name SERVETNIK >from Philadelphia. The telegrams were sent to Ida HORWITZ
(father=Naphtali HOROWITZ >from Szumsk- Mother: Faiga GOLDMAN from
Koretz). I believe it was >from her family since she had an Aunt
Dora GLICK)in Philadelphia. She married Joseph Rosenthal
from Kamenetz Podolsk. Does anyone know a Servetnik family
originally >from Philadelphia??

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin