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Re: Yiddish name vs. Hebrew name #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:26:58, jsilverbus@... (Jerome Silverbush)
wrote:

My ggf's name is Motel and I have also seen his name in documents as
Mordko, Mordche and Mordeche
Jerry Silverbush
In other words, his name is Mordekhai, and he has been called by a number
of the standard nicknames for that name.

The author of the original query was under the impression that these are
distinct names, which would be very confusing. What I tried to show
(apparently with little success) is that there is only ONE name, Mordekhai,
however spelled, and that the other names are nicknames or petnames, which
unambiguously mean Mordekhai.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
in Russian Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

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Is Bayer a jewish name? - Thanks #general

samuel lenger <sdfisr@...>
 

Hi List
I wish to thank everyone to send me answers about the
name Bayer. At the same time a shana tova to everyone of
this marvelous list.
Sam Lenger


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yiddish name vs. Hebrew name #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:26:58, jsilverbus@... (Jerome Silverbush)
wrote:

My ggf's name is Motel and I have also seen his name in documents as
Mordko, Mordche and Mordeche
Jerry Silverbush
In other words, his name is Mordekhai, and he has been called by a number
of the standard nicknames for that name.

The author of the original query was under the impression that these are
distinct names, which would be very confusing. What I tried to show
(apparently with little success) is that there is only ONE name, Mordekhai,
however spelled, and that the other names are nicknames or petnames, which
unambiguously mean Mordekhai.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ISMACH, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia,
in Russian Poland
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive tree (requires Java 1.1 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Is Bayer a jewish name? - Thanks #general

samuel lenger <sdfisr@...>
 

Hi List
I wish to thank everyone to send me answers about the
name Bayer. At the same time a shana tova to everyone of
this marvelous list.
Sam Lenger


Cemeteries in Philadelphia #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I would like to call several major Jewish cemeteries in
Philadelphia. I am looking for 2 people buried about 1905-1920.

Are there a few largest or oldest Jewish cemeteries in
Philadelphia?

Dan

Daniel Kazez / dkazez@...
Springfield, Ohio USA
OBERMAN-TALMAN-ENGLANDER-JURKIEWICZ-KAZEZ-FRESKO-ALHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/page.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemeteries in Philadelphia #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I would like to call several major Jewish cemeteries in
Philadelphia. I am looking for 2 people buried about 1905-1920.

Are there a few largest or oldest Jewish cemeteries in
Philadelphia?

Dan

Daniel Kazez / dkazez@...
Springfield, Ohio USA
OBERMAN-TALMAN-ENGLANDER-JURKIEWICZ-KAZEZ-FRESKO-ALHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/page.html


Re: Litofsky as residence on arrival record #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

lshapski@... (LSHAPSKI) wrote:
<< One of my grandfather's arrival records (there are two, since he first
arrived in NY, was sent up to Canada, and soon afterwards returned to NY by
train) states that his last permanent residence was "Litofsky". I have
been unable to find this name in WOWW or Shtetl Seeker. Does anyone know
where this town was located? >>

In the old days town of Brest was also known either as Brest-Litovsk (as
you mentioned) or Brest-Litovsky. Probably a clerk misspeled "f" for "v"
and just showed only last part of the name. In combinations such as
Brest-Litovsky, Kamenets-Podol'sky, Novgorod-Volynsky, etc. the second
part is an adjective (atribute) that shows where the city (Brest, Kamenets,
Novgorod)is located (thus near Litva-Lithuania, Podolia, Volynia)
There are no such towns as just Litovsky, Podol'sky, Volynsky, though
there are towns Podol'sk, Volynsk (but these are nouns not adjectives).
Mark Grekin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Litofsky as residence on arrival record #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

lshapski@... (LSHAPSKI) wrote:
<< One of my grandfather's arrival records (there are two, since he first
arrived in NY, was sent up to Canada, and soon afterwards returned to NY by
train) states that his last permanent residence was "Litofsky". I have
been unable to find this name in WOWW or Shtetl Seeker. Does anyone know
where this town was located? >>

In the old days town of Brest was also known either as Brest-Litovsk (as
you mentioned) or Brest-Litovsky. Probably a clerk misspeled "f" for "v"
and just showed only last part of the name. In combinations such as
Brest-Litovsky, Kamenets-Podol'sky, Novgorod-Volynsky, etc. the second
part is an adjective (atribute) that shows where the city (Brest, Kamenets,
Novgorod)is located (thus near Litva-Lithuania, Podolia, Volynia)
There are no such towns as just Litovsky, Podol'sky, Volynsky, though
there are towns Podol'sk, Volynsk (but these are nouns not adjectives).
Mark Grekin


SS-5 for KARMAZIN/VITENSKY #general

Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
 

Hello,

I sent off for an SS-5 for someone in my family and got one that doesn't
belong to me. The name is Esther KARMAZIN, nee VITENSKY, born 1899 in
Poland, living in New York City in 1943.

If this is yours, please let me know and I will send it to you.

--Harriet Brown
Madison, WI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SS-5 for KARMAZIN/VITENSKY #general

Harriet Brown <hnbrown@...>
 

Hello,

I sent off for an SS-5 for someone in my family and got one that doesn't
belong to me. The name is Esther KARMAZIN, nee VITENSKY, born 1899 in
Poland, living in New York City in 1943.

If this is yours, please let me know and I will send it to you.

--Harriet Brown
Madison, WI


Re: Sorting the data #poland

David Sharfarz <dsharfarz@...>
 

Import the file into Microsoft Access, which is a database program with much
better sorting capabilities than Excel.

David Sharfarz

ada01@... wrote:

Dear JRIERS,

I am the Plockoordinator:-), and sent more than 14000 records during
the past year, while many more still to be posted in the future, mainly
from the Russian years of the Mormons microfilms >from the town of Plock.
I have a problem. I need your advise.
I have all the data sent to JRI database. It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance for the tip, shalom,

Ada
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JRI Poland #Poland RE: Sorting the data #poland

David Sharfarz <dsharfarz@...>
 

Import the file into Microsoft Access, which is a database program with much
better sorting capabilities than Excel.

David Sharfarz

ada01@... wrote:

Dear JRIERS,

I am the Plockoordinator:-), and sent more than 14000 records during
the past year, while many more still to be posted in the future, mainly
from the Russian years of the Mormons microfilms >from the town of Plock.
I have a problem. I need your advise.
I have all the data sent to JRI database. It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance for the tip, shalom,

Ada
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Time: 22:06:08
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Re: Sorting the data #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 9/2/99 3:33:23 PM, ada01@... wrote:

<<It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.
I would check an Excel manual, or perhaps the Microsoft.com site which will
direct you to technical support for Excel. But, >from my light Excel user
level--- isn't this just a matter of going to the toolbar, the sort function,
and setting the soft categories to be first one sort then the second sort
(Husband surname, and within that, Bride name)?

Milton R. Goldsamt
Research Statistician
miltgold@...


JRI Poland #Poland Re: RE: Sorting the data #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 9/2/99 3:33:23 PM, ada01@... wrote:

<<It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.
I would check an Excel manual, or perhaps the Microsoft.com site which will
direct you to technical support for Excel. But, >from my light Excel user
level--- isn't this just a matter of going to the toolbar, the sort function,
and setting the soft categories to be first one sort then the second sort
(Husband surname, and within that, Bride name)?

Milton R. Goldsamt
Research Statistician
miltgold@...


Re: Sorting the data #poland

Ernest Fine <efine@...>
 

Ada, and others who are interested in solving this type of problem, the
easiest and quickest way to do this is to add another column to the
spreadsheet; this new column will contain either the surname of the
husband, or the surname of the bride. It then becomes one of the sort keys.

To create the contents of this column, an "IF" statement is used.

Let's say the spreadsheet looks something like:

column A = husband surname
column B = bride surname
column C = Type code
column D = new column for surname

In column D, in whatever row the data starts in, place the following
statement. For the sake of example, I am using row "5."

=IF(C5="M",A5,B5)

This will result in cell D5 being filled with the contents of cell A5 if
the type code is "M", and D5 being filled with the contents of cell B5 if
A5 is NOT "M." (If using a lower-case "m" - type that value instead of "M"
- it has to match exactly.)

Then, you will do a "fill down" on the formula, to place the formula in all
rows. To do this, click on the first formula cell (the one you just typed
the "IF" statement into, C5 in our example here), and drag, with the mouse,
down that one column so all rows are highlighted. Then perform the "fill"
operation - press the "Ctrl+D" keys.

(Alternatively, since this is a large spreadsheet, click on the first
formula cell, then scroll down to the last formula cell; hold down the
Shift key, and click that last cell. This will highlight all rows
inbetween. Then press the Ctrl+D keys for the fill operation.)

NOTE: the directions above are for Excel 97. Process is similar for other
spreadsheets but exact statements may vary.

Ernie Fine
Vienna, VA, USA

At 10:06 PM 9/2/99 PDT, you wrote:
Dear JRIERS,

I am the Plockoordinator:-), and sent more than 14000 records during
the past year, while many more still to be posted in the future, mainly
from the Russian years of the Mormons microfilms >from the town of Plock.
I have a problem. I need your advise.
I have all the data sent to JRI database. It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance for the tip, shalom,

Ada
[snip]


Re: seeking information #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 9/2/99 11:19:42 AM, Lffriedman@... wrote:

<<the surname was Chilko
and she was >from Milesczyce. >>

Any other researchers of this surname listed at Jewishgen.org on the JGFF?
Have you looked for that surname at avotaynu.com, their database of surnames
appearing in various genealogical sources? You also could check the town
name "Milesczyce" in the Jewishgen.org/shetlseeker but use the phonetic
spelling (Daitch-Motokoff coding) and not specify any country to find out
where the town was located, and print off the map, to see where it's located
and major towns near it. You could enter the surname in the Social Security
Death Index at ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.html, to track down others with the
name, and send for their social security applications, at $7 each to learn
their addresses and parentage. And perhaps you'd be lucky to find possible
relatives in the USA by entering the surname in switchboard.com, the Internet
computerized telephone directory.

Best of luck!

Milt Goldsamt
miltgold@...


JRI Poland #Poland RE: Sorting the data #poland

Ernest Fine <efine@...>
 

Ada, and others who are interested in solving this type of problem, the
easiest and quickest way to do this is to add another column to the
spreadsheet; this new column will contain either the surname of the
husband, or the surname of the bride. It then becomes one of the sort keys.

To create the contents of this column, an "IF" statement is used.

Let's say the spreadsheet looks something like:

column A = husband surname
column B = bride surname
column C = Type code
column D = new column for surname

In column D, in whatever row the data starts in, place the following
statement. For the sake of example, I am using row "5."

=IF(C5="M",A5,B5)

This will result in cell D5 being filled with the contents of cell A5 if
the type code is "M", and D5 being filled with the contents of cell B5 if
A5 is NOT "M." (If using a lower-case "m" - type that value instead of "M"
- it has to match exactly.)

Then, you will do a "fill down" on the formula, to place the formula in all
rows. To do this, click on the first formula cell (the one you just typed
the "IF" statement into, C5 in our example here), and drag, with the mouse,
down that one column so all rows are highlighted. Then perform the "fill"
operation - press the "Ctrl+D" keys.

(Alternatively, since this is a large spreadsheet, click on the first
formula cell, then scroll down to the last formula cell; hold down the
Shift key, and click that last cell. This will highlight all rows
inbetween. Then press the Ctrl+D keys for the fill operation.)

NOTE: the directions above are for Excel 97. Process is similar for other
spreadsheets but exact statements may vary.

Ernie Fine
Vienna, VA, USA

At 10:06 PM 9/2/99 PDT, you wrote:
Dear JRIERS,

I am the Plockoordinator:-), and sent more than 14000 records during
the past year, while many more still to be posted in the future, mainly
from the Russian years of the Mormons microfilms >from the town of Plock.
I have a problem. I need your advise.
I have all the data sent to JRI database. It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance for the tip, shalom,

Ada
[snip]


JRI Poland #Poland Re: seeking information #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 9/2/99 11:19:42 AM, Lffriedman@... wrote:

<<the surname was Chilko
and she was >from Milesczyce. >>

Any other researchers of this surname listed at Jewishgen.org on the JGFF?
Have you looked for that surname at avotaynu.com, their database of surnames
appearing in various genealogical sources? You also could check the town
name "Milesczyce" in the Jewishgen.org/shetlseeker but use the phonetic
spelling (Daitch-Motokoff coding) and not specify any country to find out
where the town was located, and print off the map, to see where it's located
and major towns near it. You could enter the surname in the Social Security
Death Index at ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.html, to track down others with the
name, and send for their social security applications, at $7 each to learn
their addresses and parentage. And perhaps you'd be lucky to find possible
relatives in the USA by entering the surname in switchboard.com, the Internet
computerized telephone directory.

Best of luck!

Milt Goldsamt
miltgold@...


Re: Need a couple of records printed #poland

garymaher@...
 

For a small fee, you can order copies of specific pages >from films and
books possessed by the LDS directly >from Salt Lake City. Last time I did
this, about 6 years ago, it cost 25 cents per copy when the page number
was provided, and $2 per copy without a specific page number. There was
a $2 minimum order. The fees may have increased since.

I know this method works for census records, US census indexes, books and
general microfilms and microfiche. You can also request copies >from an
index. (I have successfully located information on American families by
requesting, for example, the "C" portion of the index >from a book, then
ordering the pages on which the surname appeared). I do not know if they
can (or will) locate a record in Polish or Russian based on the year,
event and record number (without a specific page number). I've been
meaning to test this but haven't gotten around to it.

You need to get the LDS form called "Request for Photocopies - Census
Records, Books, Microfilm or Microfiche". (There is a different form to
request photocopies of sources for IGI entries, which BTW is now useless
to most people receiving this digest.) You should be able to get one at
your local FHL, otherwise sent to SLC for a copy. (Try the Family
History Department, 35 North West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah
84150.) Send the completed form and a check to that address I just
mentioned, and they send the photocopies right to you.

If anyone has had or does have success using this method to obtain Polish
records or other non-English records, please post to the list!

Gary


On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 00:00:57 -0500 "JRI-Poland digest"
<jri-pl@...> writes:
Subject: Need a couple of records printed
From: Marcos Frid <mfrid@...>
I have recently discovered that I didn't print all the records which
I should have printed >from a film which has been sent back >from my
local FHC to Utah. If some kind soul (who has access to an FHC with
the following film in permanent loan) be so kind as to print the
two records I need, I'll be very grateful and of course I will refund
all your expenses. I'm just trying to avoid ordering the film again
just to print a couple of pages.

The film number is: 753121
This is Wielun Jewish B-M-D records for 1826-1853
I need the following two records:
1.- 1835, Deaths, akt #10: Rachel Lachmanowicz
2.- 1835, Deaths, akt #(I didn't write it): Sura Lachmanowicz
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Re: Sorting the data #poland

Jim & Sara Feldman <feldmans@...>
 

Ada:

The answer I am about to give assumes that the records are
intermixed. That is, that M records are mixed with B and D records
and that there are separate columns for GROOM and BRIDE name. That
being the case, consider (and this is not the only solution):

First sort the list on the column containing M/B/D. Do it in
reverse order so that M comes out on top. (You could now simply copy
it to another spreadsheet to simplify your life but I am doing it one
sheet.) Now highlight the entire section containing M records and the
headings as well. Excel allows you to sort in order by three
different parameters (columns) so: Sort now FIRST on GROOM and SECOND
on BRIDE. You have what you asked for.

Jim



Dear JRIERS,

I am the Plockoordinator:-), and sent more than 14000 records during
the past year, while many more still to be posted in the future, mainly
from the Russian years of the Mormons microfilms >from the town of Plock.
I have a problem. I need your advise.
I have all the data sent to JRI database. It is in Excel. I want to sort
the data according the surnames and than the type and than the year.
I need to sort of differently when it is M - marriages.
When type is M, the sort key should be the surname of husband, but
the Surname of the bride should be under it.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance for the tip, shalom,

Ada
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Date: 09/02/99
Time: 22:06:08
Web site:http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/
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