Hi,
There are 2 Zborov's to my knowledge. One is in Northern Slovakia, in Saros
county, and one is in the Ukraine. Regarding records >from the Slovakian
Zborov, you can view
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/resource/fhc.htm
-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
<www.langsam.com>
NYC

Dear Siggers,

Has anyone gotten word when the rest of the Budapest Civil Records will be
released by LDS? I'm particularly interested in District VII which has had
only 1897 and 1895 released.

Pat

Hi,
There are 2 Zborov's to my knowledge. One is in Northern Slovakia, in Saros
county, and one is in the Ukraine. Regarding records >from the Slovakian
Zborov, you can view
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/resource/fhc.htm
-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
<www.langsam.com>
NYC

Dear Siggers,

Has anyone gotten word when the rest of the Budapest Civil Records will be
released by LDS? I'm particularly interested in District VII which has had
only 1897 and 1895 released.

Pat

Looking for Herb Geller or his sister Claire Geller originally

from Brooklyn. They would be about 65-70 years old now. They are

the children of Morris Geller & Anna Alpert Geller. I have aphoto album of their Alpert grandparents 50th anniversary. If you can
put me in touch with them, I would appreciate it.

Respond privately to the email below.

Felix DeFalco

from Atlanta

bevphil@mindspring.com

Looking for Herb Geller or his sister Claire Geller originally

from Brooklyn. They would be about 65-70 years old now. They are

the children of Morris Geller & Anna Alpert Geller. I have aphoto album of their Alpert grandparents 50th anniversary. If you can
put me in touch with them, I would appreciate it.

Respond privately to the email below.

Felix DeFalco

from Atlanta

bevphil@mindspring.com

I have a document >from Jablonow. It is not the Jablonow
I am researching. Anyone interested, please contact me.

Susana Leistner Bloch
Winnipeg, MB, Canada

I have a document >from Jablonow. It is not the Jablonow
I am researching. Anyone interested, please contact me.

Susana Leistner Bloch
Winnipeg, MB, Canada

Hallo! 11.01.00

I am helping Rabbi Lazslo Laufer to search for his two sisters and a
relative who seem to have survived Bergen Belsen and then disappeared after
the war. Anna (Chani, Hanna) Laufer was seemingly born in 1926 (or the
years thereafter), Rozsi (Rozsa, Rachel) Laufer was seemingly born in 1922
(or thereabouts). They were born in Debrecen, Hungary to the family of rabbi
Moshe Laufer, a renown rabbi of a famous rabbinical family. Their mother
was Gitta Weisblum. The grandparents originally came >from Poland.

The family was sent to Auschwitz in 1944, >from which the sisters were sent
on to Bergen Belsen where they show up in some of the survivor lists,
together with an Amora (or Amalia) Laufer, seemingly born 1928 in Debrecen.
Since Rabbi Laufer remembers there only to have been his family Laufer in
Debrecen, Amora Laufer might be a cousin. (A brother of his father in
Debrecen changed his name to Leifer so as to avoid complications with
thepostal services. It could be that he did not formally change the birth
certificates of his children and that Amora was his relative, child,....).


I have spent the last 15 months searching for the young women and found a
few traces that show that at least an Anna Laufer and an AMora Laufer seemed
to have survived several months after the war and which I am following up
on. There are also several records about Rozsi but it is not clear if these
are about the sister we are looking for.

Upon advise of the Viennese Jewish Community, I am contacting organizations
in Hungary to see whether there are any precise records about the Laufer
family in Debrecen (e.g. precise birthdates, number and names of all family
members, original address (address books), etc), any records about them
being transported to a concentration camp, records that include what
happened to family members, in particular the two sisters, after the war,
information about survivor organizations, exile Hungarian Jew organizations,
records about changing citizenships (one trace leads to Latin America, via
Casablanca, another one to Israel), records about asking for restitution,
and other records.

I would welcome any suggestion and information on your part.

I saw on your website that there is a YIZKOR BOOK about Debrecen,

Zichron L'Yehuda Debrecen(Sefar)/Debreceni Zsidok Szas Eve, A, (authors
Weinberger, Dr. Moshe Carmilly, 1970). If anyone one knows how I can get
copies of the pages containing all the Laufers having lived in Debrecen
until 1944, I would appreciate it. I have heard that there are at least two
copies existing but I cannot get access to them.

I attached questions I have sent to other organizations, and if you have
time, please go through them. If you can help us in answering any of them,
we would appreciate it. I do not speak Hungarian (although I am >from
Austria and my ancestors do come >from an originally Hungarian/Russian area),
and do know absolutely nothing about how records are kept in Hungary (as
opposed to Austria or the US).


Thank you very much for your efforts and patience in advance,

Susanne Belovari



Questions:

1. How did the Hungarian system function in terms of keeping track of birth
dates and where people live in the 30s and 40s? (in Austria each person has
to report with the police where they live)

2. Does an organization exist which provides for Hungarian survivors of the
holocaust? Is there an archive keeping records about requests bz survivors
to restitute their property? ARe there exile-Hungarian organizations that I
could contact?

3. Which archives have documents relating to citizenship, addressbooks,
birth certificates, etc?

Are there records (e.g., the report cards with the police, or the
addressbooks) which include information what happened to people, e.g., their
transportation to a concentration camp or their addresses after the war?

4. How could I find out the precise birthdates for the two sisters....which
we need to check in certain data bases... and which Laufers did live in
Debrecen until 1944 and at what addresses?


Rabbi Laufer who is looking for his sisters cannot remember precisely who
was living in Debrecen of his family in 1944. Since I have repeatedly found
a trace of an Amora Laufer *also seemingly having survived Bergen Belsen
with Anna), it is possible that this Amora is a relative of Rabbi Laufer but
we would have to find old address books and birth certificates or
police/civil administration cards to know which family members lived where
in Debrecen.

5. Do Hungarian Jews have a right to pensions granted by Germany for their
forced labor in concentration camps or were Hungarian Jews excluded >from
these deals? If they were not excluded, I could check with the
organizations in Germany.

6. I have already written to the Komitatsarchiv Debrecen, to the Magayn
Auschwity Alaptivany-Holocaust Dokumentacios, to the Jewish Community of
Budapest, and the Komitatsarchiv Kerkaskapolna (Vas) since one of the traces
for Rozsi Laufer leads to Kerkaskapolna.

Do you have the addresses for the Jewish community in Debrecen and other
organizations that might be helpful in our search.

7. What have I overlooked until now and which other directions should I
look into for Hungary?

8. Do you know whether Hungarian Jews, who were transported to
concentrations camps outside of Hungary, lost their citizenships
automatically? or not? Knowing this would help if either sister ever
applied for another citizenship.

Where would information be kept about either changing one"s citizenship
(therefore losing the Hungarian citizenship) or for getting a second
citizenship?


I truly appreciate your time and effort, and hope to hear >from you soon.

Best Regards, Susanne Belovari






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Hallo! 11.01.00

I am helping Rabbi Lazslo Laufer to search for his two sisters and a
relative who seem to have survived Bergen Belsen and then disappeared after
the war. Anna (Chani, Hanna) Laufer was seemingly born in 1926 (or the
years thereafter), Rozsi (Rozsa, Rachel) Laufer was seemingly born in 1922
(or thereabouts). They were born in Debrecen, Hungary to the family of rabbi
Moshe Laufer, a renown rabbi of a famous rabbinical family. Their mother
was Gitta Weisblum. The grandparents originally came >from Poland.

The family was sent to Auschwitz in 1944, >from which the sisters were sent
on to Bergen Belsen where they show up in some of the survivor lists,
together with an Amora (or Amalia) Laufer, seemingly born 1928 in Debrecen.
Since Rabbi Laufer remembers there only to have been his family Laufer in
Debrecen, Amora Laufer might be a cousin. (A brother of his father in
Debrecen changed his name to Leifer so as to avoid complications with
thepostal services. It could be that he did not formally change the birth
certificates of his children and that Amora was his relative, child,....).


I have spent the last 15 months searching for the young women and found a
few traces that show that at least an Anna Laufer and an AMora Laufer seemed
to have survived several months after the war and which I am following up
on. There are also several records about Rozsi but it is not clear if these
are about the sister we are looking for.

Upon advise of the Viennese Jewish Community, I am contacting organizations
in Hungary to see whether there are any precise records about the Laufer
family in Debrecen (e.g. precise birthdates, number and names of all family
members, original address (address books), etc), any records about them
being transported to a concentration camp, records that include what
happened to family members, in particular the two sisters, after the war,
information about survivor organizations, exile Hungarian Jew organizations,
records about changing citizenships (one trace leads to Latin America, via
Casablanca, another one to Israel), records about asking for restitution,
and other records.

I would welcome any suggestion and information on your part.

I saw on your website that there is a YIZKOR BOOK about Debrecen,

Zichron L'Yehuda Debrecen(Sefar)/Debreceni Zsidok Szas Eve, A, (authors
Weinberger, Dr. Moshe Carmilly, 1970). If anyone one knows how I can get
copies of the pages containing all the Laufers having lived in Debrecen
until 1944, I would appreciate it. I have heard that there are at least two
copies existing but I cannot get access to them.

I attached questions I have sent to other organizations, and if you have
time, please go through them. If you can help us in answering any of them,
we would appreciate it. I do not speak Hungarian (although I am >from
Austria and my ancestors do come >from an originally Hungarian/Russian area),
and do know absolutely nothing about how records are kept in Hungary (as
opposed to Austria or the US).


Thank you very much for your efforts and patience in advance,

Susanne Belovari



Questions:

1. How did the Hungarian system function in terms of keeping track of birth
dates and where people live in the 30s and 40s? (in Austria each person has
to report with the police where they live)

2. Does an organization exist which provides for Hungarian survivors of the
holocaust? Is there an archive keeping records about requests bz survivors
to restitute their property? ARe there exile-Hungarian organizations that I
could contact?

3. Which archives have documents relating to citizenship, addressbooks,
birth certificates, etc?

Are there records (e.g., the report cards with the police, or the
addressbooks) which include information what happened to people, e.g., their
transportation to a concentration camp or their addresses after the war?

4. How could I find out the precise birthdates for the two sisters....which
we need to check in certain data bases... and which Laufers did live in
Debrecen until 1944 and at what addresses?


Rabbi Laufer who is looking for his sisters cannot remember precisely who
was living in Debrecen of his family in 1944. Since I have repeatedly found
a trace of an Amora Laufer *also seemingly having survived Bergen Belsen
with Anna), it is possible that this Amora is a relative of Rabbi Laufer but
we would have to find old address books and birth certificates or
police/civil administration cards to know which family members lived where
in Debrecen.

5. Do Hungarian Jews have a right to pensions granted by Germany for their
forced labor in concentration camps or were Hungarian Jews excluded >from
these deals? If they were not excluded, I could check with the
organizations in Germany.

6. I have already written to the Komitatsarchiv Debrecen, to the Magayn
Auschwity Alaptivany-Holocaust Dokumentacios, to the Jewish Community of
Budapest, and the Komitatsarchiv Kerkaskapolna (Vas) since one of the traces
for Rozsi Laufer leads to Kerkaskapolna.

Do you have the addresses for the Jewish community in Debrecen and other
organizations that might be helpful in our search.

7. What have I overlooked until now and which other directions should I
look into for Hungary?

8. Do you know whether Hungarian Jews, who were transported to
concentrations camps outside of Hungary, lost their citizenships
automatically? or not? Knowing this would help if either sister ever
applied for another citizenship.

Where would information be kept about either changing one"s citizenship
(therefore losing the Hungarian citizenship) or for getting a second
citizenship?


I truly appreciate your time and effort, and hope to hear >from you soon.

Best Regards, Susanne Belovari






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The site Ed is looking for is Zsido.hu at:
http://www.eger.com/zsido/guide/
Tom

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no dia 29.10.00 `as 00:00 -0500 horas, Hungarian SIG digest escreveu:
at 29.10.00 - 00:00 -0500, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From: "Ed Zwieback" <ezwiebac@gte.net>
>| Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:31:08 -0700
>| X-Message-Number: 2
>|
>| In early 1998, I found a very interesting web site listing all the Jewish
>| Communities in Hungary, with current contacts including names ,
addresses,
>| and telephones. This was a Hungarian web site.
>| I cannot find the site now. The partial printout that I have shows
>| http://195.56.24.1/Zsido/guide_dan.htm . I can't open that web page nor
>| the "home" page.
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Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

The site Ed is looking for is Zsido.hu at:
http://www.eger.com/zsido/guide/
Tom

______________________________ Reply Separator
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no dia 29.10.00 `as 00:00 -0500 horas, Hungarian SIG digest escreveu:
at 29.10.00 - 00:00 -0500, Hungarian SIG digest wrote:
>| Subject:
>| From: "Ed Zwieback" <ezwiebac@gte.net>
>| Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:31:08 -0700
>| X-Message-Number: 2
>|
>| In early 1998, I found a very interesting web site listing all the Jewish
>| Communities in Hungary, with current contacts including names ,
addresses,
>| and telephones. This was a Hungarian web site.
>| I cannot find the site now. The partial printout that I have shows
>| http://195.56.24.1/Zsido/guide_dan.htm . I can't open that web page nor
>| the "home" page.
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Sao Paulo - Brazil

I am researching the following SCHWARTZ family,
possibly >from Mogilev:

Jennie Schwartz was born 1844 and living in Chicago
1910 census - living with her daughter -

Ida Schwartz - born 1872 Russia
married Bernard Shapiro abt 1890-1900
died 1954 Chicago

other children of Jennie were -
Rueben Schwartz
Michael Schwartz
Max Schwartz
Moses Schwartz - died bef Jun 1954
Bessie Schwartz - died bef Jun 1954 -
married a Cohen

Ida lived her life in Chicago. Some of her siblings may have
lived in Indiana or Michigan.

If you have any knowledge of this family, please contact me.

Janet Shapiro
San Antonio, TX

I am researching the following SCHWARTZ family,
possibly >from Mogilev:

Jennie Schwartz was born 1844 and living in Chicago
1910 census - living with her daughter -

Ida Schwartz - born 1872 Russia
married Bernard Shapiro abt 1890-1900
died 1954 Chicago

other children of Jennie were -
Rueben Schwartz
Michael Schwartz
Max Schwartz
Moses Schwartz - died bef Jun 1954
Bessie Schwartz - died bef Jun 1954 -
married a Cohen

Ida lived her life in Chicago. Some of her siblings may have
lived in Indiana or Michigan.

If you have any knowledge of this family, please contact me.

Janet Shapiro
San Antonio, TX

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:07 PM EST, Sheljes@cs.com writes:

On April 15, I wrote a letter to Nazelna Dyrecja Achiwow, Panstwowych,

005900

Warszawa, Skr Poczt 2005, uldluga.
i requested 6 birth records >from Warsawa for Max Moskowitz ,1863; Esther
Pasternack,born 1867; Samuel Moskowitz, born about the same time; Hannah
Moskowitz, also born about the same time, Laibish Pasternack, Esther's
father, including his marriage and death record; and Jacov Grobart, birth
certificate.
On June 6, I received an answer:
the National Archives is sending by attachment a letter >from Mr. sheldon

D.

Stern, and requests that you conduct the genealogical research in the

usual

fashion.
Thus far, I have heard nothing. Sincerely, Sheldon D. Stern, M.D.

I believe the post below (26th October) answers Dr. Stern's question
about delivery.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Subj: News on delivery of orders >from the Polish State Archives
Date: 10/26/00
To: jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org

This message is addressed specifically to those who replied
to the urgent request made by the Board of JRI-Poland for
statistical information on the orders for copies of records you
placed with the Polish State Archives. We mentioned that the
information was needed with the PSA today.

First, we went to tell you that, in replying to our request, you
were in the minority!

Since we have a rough idea of how many orders have been
placed with the PSA during the last year ("more than 200"),
we were able to determine that we only received about a
10% response. Naturally it was very disappointing that the
report on our survey to the PSA was based on such a small
sample. C'mon folks, you can do better than that <grin>.

Now for the news. The director of the Warsaw region of the
PSA, Mr. Ryszard Wojtkowsksi stated today that most orders
have now been shipped and that within two weeks, all branches
will be caught up. The reference here is to branches in Mlawa,
Nowy Dwor, Pultusk, and Warsaw. As previously mentioned,
one of the principle factors leading to the delay in carrying out
orders for records in the Warsaw branch was the large project
to fumigate and preserve many of the needed registers.

The PSA is also making efforts to ensure that branches in
other regions respond as quickly as possible.

Stanley Diamond and Michael Tobias

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes:

Dear All,
My ancesters are >from Susnowiec, Poland. But I have not found or is=20
there mention of this town. Please help.
Glenn Landsman
Lanbunch@aol.com
=20

Glenn:

The surviving Jewish vital records of Sosnicowice (formerly=20
Kieferst=E4dtel, Preu=DFen, Schlesien, Germany) only start in 1901
and because they are less than 100 years old and are not in
the Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnicowice civil
records office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing.

However, there is a Mormon microfilm with records for this town
(Film #1,184,428) which are alternatives to births and deaths.=20
The records are:

Circumcision: 1806-1865 =20
Cemetery: 1831-1893 =20

As yet, no one has volunteered to be a Shtetl CO-OP leader for this
town so the indices do not appear in the JRI-Poland website. To=20
learn how you can volunteer to help this happen, please take a look
at the Shtetl CO-OP page on the JRI-Poland web site and then=20
contact Shtetl CO-OP coordinator, Hadassah Lipsius at:
Kesher@flashcom.net

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland=20

I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg
on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903.
Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how
I can find out about it?
Thank you
Leslie Safran, London

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:07 PM EST, Sheljes@cs.com writes:

On April 15, I wrote a letter to Nazelna Dyrecja Achiwow, Panstwowych,

005900

Warszawa, Skr Poczt 2005, uldluga.
i requested 6 birth records >from Warsawa for Max Moskowitz ,1863; Esther
Pasternack,born 1867; Samuel Moskowitz, born about the same time; Hannah
Moskowitz, also born about the same time, Laibish Pasternack, Esther's
father, including his marriage and death record; and Jacov Grobart, birth
certificate.
On June 6, I received an answer:
the National Archives is sending by attachment a letter >from Mr. sheldon

D.

Stern, and requests that you conduct the genealogical research in the

usual

fashion.
Thus far, I have heard nothing. Sincerely, Sheldon D. Stern, M.D.

I believe the post below (26th October) answers Dr. Stern's question
about delivery.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Subj: News on delivery of orders >from the Polish State Archives
Date: 10/26/00
To: jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org

This message is addressed specifically to those who replied
to the urgent request made by the Board of JRI-Poland for
statistical information on the orders for copies of records you
placed with the Polish State Archives. We mentioned that the
information was needed with the PSA today.

First, we went to tell you that, in replying to our request, you
were in the minority!

Since we have a rough idea of how many orders have been
placed with the PSA during the last year ("more than 200"),
we were able to determine that we only received about a
10% response. Naturally it was very disappointing that the
report on our survey to the PSA was based on such a small
sample. C'mon folks, you can do better than that <grin>.

Now for the news. The director of the Warsaw region of the
PSA, Mr. Ryszard Wojtkowsksi stated today that most orders
have now been shipped and that within two weeks, all branches
will be caught up. The reference here is to branches in Mlawa,
Nowy Dwor, Pultusk, and Warsaw. As previously mentioned,
one of the principle factors leading to the delay in carrying out
orders for records in the Warsaw branch was the large project
to fumigate and preserve many of the needed registers.

The PSA is also making efforts to ensure that branches in
other regions respond as quickly as possible.

Stanley Diamond and Michael Tobias

In a message dated 11/1/2000 12:11:09 PM EST, Lanbunch@aol.com writes:

Dear All,
My ancesters are >from Susnowiec, Poland. But I have not found or is=20
there mention of this town. Please help.
Glenn Landsman
Lanbunch@aol.com
=20

Glenn:

The surviving Jewish vital records of Sosnicowice (formerly=20
Kieferst=E4dtel, Preu=DFen, Schlesien, Germany) only start in 1901
and because they are less than 100 years old and are not in
the Polish State Archives (they are in the Sosnicowice civil
records office) they are not available to JRI-Poland for indexing.

However, there is a Mormon microfilm with records for this town
(Film #1,184,428) which are alternatives to births and deaths.=20
The records are:

Circumcision: 1806-1865 =20
Cemetery: 1831-1893 =20

As yet, no one has volunteered to be a Shtetl CO-OP leader for this
town so the indices do not appear in the JRI-Poland website. To=20
learn how you can volunteer to help this happen, please take a look
at the Shtetl CO-OP page on the JRI-Poland web site and then=20
contact Shtetl CO-OP coordinator, Hadassah Lipsius at:
Kesher@flashcom.net

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland=20

I have discovered my great grandfather left Europe >from Hamburg
on the SS Bulgaria 16th February, 1903.
Does anyone have any more information about this ship or know how
I can find out about it?
Thank you
Leslie Safran, London