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Subject: Re: Question on serving as a soldier #galicia Brown-Grant, Angus (angu) <angu@...> #55943 My Grandmother's two brothers, who were born in Vienna, both served in the Austrian army during WW1. The older brother was an officer in the cavalry, and served in Albania. He was awarded many campaign medals, all of which are still in our family's possession. Angus Brown-Grant Houston, TX "Subject: Re: Question on serving as a soldier From: "Lancy" <lspalter@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:48:52 +0200 X-Message-Number: 10 Lilian's question raises a new question. I know that Jews served in the Polish Army - my gfather did. I know they were conscripted to the Russian army. Were they ever requested to serve in the Austro-Hungarian army??? "
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Subject: Re: Question on serving as a soldier #galicia Brown-Grant, Angus (angu) <angu@...> #376295 My Grandmother's two brothers, who were born in Vienna, both served in the Austrian army during WW1. The older brother was an officer in the cavalry, and served in Albania. He was awarded many campaign medals, all of which are still in our family's possession. Angus Brown-Grant Houston, TX "Subject: Re: Question on serving as a soldier From: "Lancy" <lspalter@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:48:52 +0200 X-Message-Number: 10 Lilian's question raises a new question. I know that Jews served in the Polish Army - my gfather did. I know they were conscripted to the Russian army. Were they ever requested to serve in the Austro-Hungarian army??? "
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Re: Castle Garden? #ukraine Roman Vilner <roman.vilner@...> #299622 Mark, he could have been talking about the processing facility, but called it "castle garden" based, possibly, on the idea that all immigrants had to go through it. In other words, he may have thought that the words "castle garden" actually stand for, or rather paraphrase, the words "processing facility". What surprises me though in this excerpt, is that the words >from the tale are in Russian, rather than Yiddish. My understanding was that Jews, while knowing Russian as an official language, preferred to communicate between themselves in Yiddish, so it sounds strange to me that your ancestor wrote his memoir in Russian, especially quoting the words >from the Russian folk tales. regards Roman Vilner Brooklyn, NY toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Mark Saul [mailto:MSaul@compuserve.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: [ukraine] Castle Garden? I am in possession of a long and detailed memoir written by my grandfather, chronicling day-by-day, even minute by minute, his trip >from the Ukraine to Chcago in 1913. He landed in Quebec City, and took the train to Chicago. Here is a piece of what he writes: snip< On Sunday at 3 PM we arrived in Quebec. They took the 3rd class passengers to Castle Garden, but we privileged 2nd class passengers were let off immediately. My question is this: was there a facility called Castle Garden in Quebec? Or had 'Castle Garden' (it's spelled in Cyrillic in the original) become the generic name for a receiving facility for immigrants? Or had my grandfather simply heard of Castle Garden, and thought it was in Quebec? snip< Anyone have any ideas? Mark SAUL New York, NY
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Castle Garden? #ukraine Roman Vilner <roman.vilner@...> #619841 Mark, he could have been talking about the processing facility, but called it "castle garden" based, possibly, on the idea that all immigrants had to go through it. In other words, he may have thought that the words "castle garden" actually stand for, or rather paraphrase, the words "processing facility". What surprises me though in this excerpt, is that the words >from the tale are in Russian, rather than Yiddish. My understanding was that Jews, while knowing Russian as an official language, preferred to communicate between themselves in Yiddish, so it sounds strange to me that your ancestor wrote his memoir in Russian, especially quoting the words >from the Russian folk tales. regards Roman Vilner Brooklyn, NY toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Mark Saul [mailto:MSaul@compuserve.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: [ukraine] Castle Garden? I am in possession of a long and detailed memoir written by my grandfather, chronicling day-by-day, even minute by minute, his trip >from the Ukraine to Chcago in 1913. He landed in Quebec City, and took the train to Chicago. Here is a piece of what he writes: snip< On Sunday at 3 PM we arrived in Quebec. They took the 3rd class passengers to Castle Garden, but we privileged 2nd class passengers were let off immediately. My question is this: was there a facility called Castle Garden in Quebec? Or had 'Castle Garden' (it's spelled in Cyrillic in the original) become the generic name for a receiving facility for immigrants? Or had my grandfather simply heard of Castle Garden, and thought it was in Quebec? snip< Anyone have any ideas? Mark SAUL New York, NY
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Berdichev List #ukraine Steven J. Rosen #299621 Index of 280 Jewish Persons Mentioned in "The town of Berdichev" edited by Baruch Kharu [Krupnik] Tel Aviv 1951 [indexed by Yael Driver] Hello Steven,You have probably given up on me. Hence it may come as a nice surprise tofind the enclosed spreadsheet with the index of some 280 names which appearin the Berditchev booklet you sent me in November of last year.I am sory it took so long but I have a problem with my right arm and can notwork on the machine intensively.Please feel free to put it on the Brditchev website. I will be happy toanswer questions. I shall be visiting Berditchev myself in 10 days time so may have something to report.All the bestYael Driver, London, UK drivery@netcomuk.co.uk (Yael Driver) Name Page Abksnativ 48 Abramov Leib 42 Aharonovitch Yosef 60 Altshuler Yosef 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham Andelsman Tova 45 Apel 45 Arkadi S. 66 writer of chapter Ashkenazi R' Zvi Hirsh 12,17 Avatichi Arie >from Homel 38, 37 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev ~1904, writer of chapter Azpetrir Moshe son of Yehuda Leib 12 Barash Alexander 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Barbash Mrs. 44 Kindergarden Teacher Barkuz Shmuel Chaim 13,39 Writer of the chapter Baron Yosef 63 Bart Ziskind 65 Writer of Chapter Beilis Mendel 52 Bekelman Morris 42 Bekelman Synagauge 36 Berditchevski 60 Berger Avraham 50 writer of Chapter Bergman Chaim Pinchas 13,38,39,48 First teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev ~1903,writer of Chapter Berman R' Yaacov 13,14,17,43 Bilik Sarah 45 Bilik Yechezkel d. Israel 1949 Age 52 62 Blindman Chaim Yerucham Halevi [The "small Yerucham"] 1798-1891 10,15,26,27,28 Cantor Blumental Nisan [b. Berdichev] 34 Cantor in Odessa Brin 45 Brodi Dudle [Starlisker] 26 Cantor Brodtzki Leon 61 Bronshteim Moshe 45 Buchmil Dr. 42 Bunim Yekutiel Zalman son of Shimcha 12,17 Burshtein - The lawyer >from Rovno 51 Busin - Cigaretter factory owner 52 Charif R' Yosef 17 Chazanovitch Nachum 63 Chaziniuk Yehoshia 45 Chefetz 48 Cherboninkis [Lawyer] 43 Chodorov Shlomo 44,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Chumash Michael 45 Cohen Yoel 61 Danzis Yaacov 34 Conductor Davidson Meshulam 36,51 writer of chapters Deslair Alexander 41 Local Zionist Dorfman Efraim [later Artzieli] 44,45 Dorfman Rosa 45 Drezner fruma 45 Dreznin Fruma 44 Kindergarden Teacher Efrati Abraham son of Moshe the grandson of Yospa 19 Efrati Nachum 18 Efrati R' Moshe grandson of Yospa 18 Efrati R' Yospa [Yosef the small Segal] 7th generation of "Harama" son of Nachum 13,18,19 Eizenberg David 38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Feder Tuvia [d. 1847] 8,9,13 Friend of Yhoshua Heshel, author and pedagog Feinzinger Yechezkel >from Zitomir 26,28,33 Cantor Feldamn 45 Fichman Yosef 45 Fogel Leib 41 Local Zionist Fridlander David 10,13 Fridman Meir 43,64 Fridman Yechezkel 45,46 Writer of a chapter Fuchs Yitchak Shlomo 61 Gelback Dr. 11 Geshuri M. S. 25,35 writer of chapters on Music and Chanting Gilgitz 43 Glazer 38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Gotlover A.B. 13 Grobin 29 Groisborer Batia 45 Grosmann 44,48 Gurevitch Eliezer 28,34 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham & Shpitzberg Hadari A. 61 writer of chapter Halperin R' Yosef 13,20 Halprin R' Yaacov Yosi [Yosef] 10,11,12,15 Harri Avraham 52 Writer of chapter Heilperin R' Yosef Yoel 17 Hershman Mordechai 32 Cantor Hildesheimer - Rabbi 61 Hilperin Issac Zvi Halevi [died Vienna 1925] 33 Pupil of Shpitsberg Hindes 44 Horodetzki Shmuel Aba - son in law of Feiga Magazinik 37,38,59 Promoter of in New style "Cheder" & then scholar of Chasidic History Horvitz R' Yshyahu 13 Horvitz Moshe Isaac 10,33,34 Gvir [wealthy man] in Berdichev Horvitz R' Schmuel >from Ritchval 19,20 Kamhaf Shaul Itzchak - Rabbi in Prague 61 Kaminka Aharon son of Wolf 61 Kaminka R' Yosef Leib 13 Katz Alter 39 Book Seller Katzin Leib 27 Industrialist Kazenelenbogen R' Avraham >from Brisk 20 Keizer 45 Kipnis Menachem 32 Tenor Kitinik Yechiel 41 Local Zionist Klarich Simcha [>from Brezne] 13,38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Kleinman Moshe 38,40,41,51,60 Commite member of New "Cheder" education, Editor of "Ezra" Kloger R' Shlomo 18 Koblianski Sh. N. 41 Local Zionist Kopt Asher 45 Landoi or Landau, R' Yechezkel, son of Ahron [Synagauge on his name] 8,35 Previously served in Yampola, was Rubinshtein partner in wine business Lebovski Fruma 45 Leder {Lador} Shalom 63 Writer of chapter Leder David 43,44,45 Lerner [Shochat] Yitchak 43 Lerner Yosef Yehuda 11 Levin Zalman 11 Levinski A. L. 39 Representative of the wineries of Palestine Levinzon Yitchak Ber 10,13 Libandovski 33,34 Liber 48 Liber R' Eliezer 12,17 Librantski Synagauge 36 Lilental Dr. 10 Linder B. 55 writer of chapter Lipetz 5 Yiddish fanatist, became a General in the rRed Army - under the name Petrovski Lipetz David - Leader of the Bund 43,64 Lishinski Yaacov 47 Magazinik Abraham Dov Ber - Husband of Feiga died young in Tirol 58 Magazinik Berl Synaguage 36 Magazinik Feiga daughter of R' Baruch >from Tchernobil - died in Israel 58 Grand daughter of Chana Chaia daughter of R' Mordechai of Tchernobil Magazinik House 14 Magazinik Tzvi - son of Feiga - died in Israel 59 Magazinik Yitchak - son of Feiga - died in Israel 1943 age 55 59 Magazink Perl,Ahron,Mordechai, Yehoshua-Heshel, Nachum, Leah, Mirl, Yitcak, Zvi 58 Kids of Feiga and Avraham Dov Ber Makler Abraham 10 Marder Yechezkel 45 Margalit Menashe 10 Margalit R' Israel 18 Margalit R' Meshulam Nathan 17,18 Margalit R' Moshe form Taringrad 19 Margalit R' Yaacov 18 Margovski Yaacov Moshe [R' Zeidel] >from Rovna 1856-1943 15,26,31 Cantor & composer Mashevitz 45 Melamed 45 Mendale Mocher Sfarim 11,13 Mendelson 9 Mendlshtam Prof. 42 Menzon 14 Menzon Shamai Synagauge 35 Menzon Yechezkel 15,38,41 Commite member of New "Cheder" education Midvidovski Meir son of R' Chaim 30 Opera singer in St petrsburg Milkus 10 Minkovski Pinchas [b. Beila Tzerkov 1859-d. New York 1924] son of Mordechai Godis 30,34 Cantor in Odessa Mintzker Ina 45 Mintzler Baruch 45 Mosinzon Dr. 42 Muchinik Munia 45 Muchnik Asher 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Nachum Motinka 30 Bariton voice Naumberg 34 Nirnberg Fannie 43 Nirnberg Husband of Fannie 43 Novokovski David [b. Malin 1848 - d. Odessa 1921] 33 Conductor in Odessa Obdinik 45 Onipolski 10 Ortinberg R' David son of Israel Zvi 13,18,19,41 Ortinberg R' Israel Zvi 18 Osishkin 48 Pasternak Moshe 28 Cantor Peretz R' Arie Leibush 19 Peretz R' Israel >from Levratov 19 Perlmuter 38 Commite member of New "Cheder" education, son in law of R' Sheftel the publisher Phipolshtein 39,40,41 Agent of journals [e.g "Hatzphira"] in Berdichev Pichtenholtz Synagauge 35 Piserbaski 44 Pisrbaski 48 Politzintzki 10 Polonski Tova (Gitel) 60 Polonski Yaacov -husband of Gitel 60 Poloshko Eliezer 49 Writer of Chapter Pritzker Chaim son of Moshe 44 Pritzker R' Asher 18 Pritzker R' Moshe 18,44 Psis R' 13 R' Yechezkel 35 Cantor in Berdichev R' Abraham Meshulam Zalman 12,17 R' Aharon "the Great" 20 R' Aharon >from Zitomir 23 R' Aharonitzi >from Shpitznitzi 56 R' Asher the carpenter & his wife Dvosa 51 R' Avram the "Shochet" 18 R' Baruch >from Medzibuzh 23 R' Chaim the Carpenter Synagauge 35 R' David [Dodle] >from Talnoye 30 R' David the shoemaker 64 R' Dov Ber >from Mezeritch 13,20 R' Israel [Iserl] Hacohen >from Belz [b. Berdichev 1845 - d. New York 1916] 35 Cantor in Berdichev R' Israel >from Kuznitz 23 R' Itchak >from Kalov 24 R' Izchak Elchanan 18 R' Levi Yitchak of Berdichev son of Meir 7,17,19,20-25,33 R' Liber "the great" 20 R' Meir son of Levi Itchak >from Berditchev 24 R' Moshe Abraham son of Yechiel Michl 12 R' Moshe >from Proskorov 32 Tenor R' Moshe >from Radomshil 28 Cantor R' Moshe son of R' Yosef 18 R' Moshe son of Shmuel 12 R' Nachman >from Wrotzlav [Braslau] 23 R' Pinchas 18 R' Schmuel >from Kaminka 23 R' Shneor Zalman >from Ladi 23 R' Yaaacov Itzchak >from Lublin 22 R' Yaacov Yosef >from Polneah 20 R' Yehoshua Heshel >from Chelem 8 R' Yehushua Heshel Avram ["Pizi" - the miniatur] [b. Berdichev 1820 - 1892] 34 Cantor in Odessa R' Yosef 18 R' Yosef >from Slonim 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham R' Zalman >from Uman 28 Cantor R' Zeev >from Zitomir 20 Rabinovitch Hirtz 13 Rapoport Yacov 32 Cantor Remez 44 Roitman David 32 Cantor Rosenfeld Yosef 41 Local Zionist Rotenberg Dr. Israel son of David 10 Rubinshtein 8 >from a musical composers family, converted to save his soul from death penalty Sares R' Leib 20 Shapira Avraham 45,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Sharfshtein Zvi 13 Shechtman 48 Sheftel Yacov 5,32 Owner of Printing (Publishing) house in Berditchev Sheinfeld Abraham 42 Writer of a chapter "Beginning of Zionism" Sheinkar Mirdechai 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Sheinker [Shenkar] Ben Zion son of Chaim [1901 - 1946] 44, 56,57,58 Shenkar Arie [Uncle of Ben Zion] 56, 57 Shlomo David 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham Shnitkover Shmeril 8 Shor or Shur Baruch >from Lvov 26 Cantor Shpigel 45 Shpitzberg Zeev 10,28,29,33,34 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham and a poet Shteinberg Moshe 32 Cantor Shteinberg Eliyahu son of Shalom Nathan [decendant R' Levi Ytchak of Berditchev] 62 Shteinman Eliezer 60 Shtempel Zeev >from Charson 28,29 Shulman Kalman 40 Shulzinger [Syanagouge singer] Bezalel 28, 34 Cantor in Odessa Smolier Baron son of Eizishi 34 Conductor in Nikolaiev Smolier Eizishi 34 Cantor Soroka Yaacov 14 Spivak Alter elder son of Nisan 31 Spivak Nisan [Nisi >from Belz] 1824-1906 15,26,27,28,29,42 Cantor & conductor Spivak Yudle youngest son of Nisan 31 Spoznik Avraham b. 1854 in Chodorkov d. in Palstine 1915 61 Tarshish R' Zelig 18 Teler - captain 51 Teomim R' Meir 19 Teomim R' Yosef 19 Tiomkin 44 Twerski Ahron son of Mordechai >from Tchernobile 13 Tzederboim 5 wrote a book on his visit to Berditchev, 100 pages in Yidish Tzunzer Elyakum [Possibly >from Tzunz] 26 comedian Vest Herst son of Israel d. 1933 Age 74 13,61 Vest Benyamin 44,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921, Writer of Chapter Vest R' Israel 15 Vest Yosef 45 Weinberg Michael 50 Saved Dinikin >from Lintz in Berditchev Wientraub 34 Wolkenshtein Avigdor 13 Yacovkin 34 Choir conductor Yerushatzki Yehuda 45 Yevin 44 Yudkis Chava 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Yudkis Yitchak 45 Yulis Israel 41 Gabai of the Synagouge Yulis Zeev 63 Writer of a chapter Zabotinski 42 Zak Ahron 44 Zemelman 45 Zlikin 44,48 Zlotopolski 42 Zoifel 11 Zoltzer Shlomo 10,27,33,34 Cantor Zrubaavel 48 Zukerman 45 MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this appears at first glance to be a personal message, the information it contains will probably be of interest to our readers. 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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Berdichev List #ukraine Steven J. Rosen #619840 Index of 280 Jewish Persons Mentioned in "The town of Berdichev" edited by Baruch Kharu [Krupnik] Tel Aviv 1951 [indexed by Yael Driver] Hello Steven,You have probably given up on me. Hence it may come as a nice surprise tofind the enclosed spreadsheet with the index of some 280 names which appearin the Berditchev booklet you sent me in November of last year.I am sory it took so long but I have a problem with my right arm and can notwork on the machine intensively.Please feel free to put it on the Brditchev website. I will be happy toanswer questions. I shall be visiting Berditchev myself in 10 days time so may have something to report.All the bestYael Driver, London, UK drivery@netcomuk.co.uk (Yael Driver) Name Page Abksnativ 48 Abramov Leib 42 Aharonovitch Yosef 60 Altshuler Yosef 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham Andelsman Tova 45 Apel 45 Arkadi S. 66 writer of chapter Ashkenazi R' Zvi Hirsh 12,17 Avatichi Arie >from Homel 38, 37 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev ~1904, writer of chapter Azpetrir Moshe son of Yehuda Leib 12 Barash Alexander 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Barbash Mrs. 44 Kindergarden Teacher Barkuz Shmuel Chaim 13,39 Writer of the chapter Baron Yosef 63 Bart Ziskind 65 Writer of Chapter Beilis Mendel 52 Bekelman Morris 42 Bekelman Synagauge 36 Berditchevski 60 Berger Avraham 50 writer of Chapter Bergman Chaim Pinchas 13,38,39,48 First teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev ~1903,writer of Chapter Berman R' Yaacov 13,14,17,43 Bilik Sarah 45 Bilik Yechezkel d. Israel 1949 Age 52 62 Blindman Chaim Yerucham Halevi [The "small Yerucham"] 1798-1891 10,15,26,27,28 Cantor Blumental Nisan [b. Berdichev] 34 Cantor in Odessa Brin 45 Brodi Dudle [Starlisker] 26 Cantor Brodtzki Leon 61 Bronshteim Moshe 45 Buchmil Dr. 42 Bunim Yekutiel Zalman son of Shimcha 12,17 Burshtein - The lawyer >from Rovno 51 Busin - Cigaretter factory owner 52 Charif R' Yosef 17 Chazanovitch Nachum 63 Chaziniuk Yehoshia 45 Chefetz 48 Cherboninkis [Lawyer] 43 Chodorov Shlomo 44,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Chumash Michael 45 Cohen Yoel 61 Danzis Yaacov 34 Conductor Davidson Meshulam 36,51 writer of chapters Deslair Alexander 41 Local Zionist Dorfman Efraim [later Artzieli] 44,45 Dorfman Rosa 45 Drezner fruma 45 Dreznin Fruma 44 Kindergarden Teacher Efrati Abraham son of Moshe the grandson of Yospa 19 Efrati Nachum 18 Efrati R' Moshe grandson of Yospa 18 Efrati R' Yospa [Yosef the small Segal] 7th generation of "Harama" son of Nachum 13,18,19 Eizenberg David 38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Feder Tuvia [d. 1847] 8,9,13 Friend of Yhoshua Heshel, author and pedagog Feinzinger Yechezkel >from Zitomir 26,28,33 Cantor Feldamn 45 Fichman Yosef 45 Fogel Leib 41 Local Zionist Fridlander David 10,13 Fridman Meir 43,64 Fridman Yechezkel 45,46 Writer of a chapter Fuchs Yitchak Shlomo 61 Gelback Dr. 11 Geshuri M. S. 25,35 writer of chapters on Music and Chanting Gilgitz 43 Glazer 38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Gotlover A.B. 13 Grobin 29 Groisborer Batia 45 Grosmann 44,48 Gurevitch Eliezer 28,34 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham & Shpitzberg Hadari A. 61 writer of chapter Halperin R' Yosef 13,20 Halprin R' Yaacov Yosi [Yosef] 10,11,12,15 Harri Avraham 52 Writer of chapter Heilperin R' Yosef Yoel 17 Hershman Mordechai 32 Cantor Hildesheimer - Rabbi 61 Hilperin Issac Zvi Halevi [died Vienna 1925] 33 Pupil of Shpitsberg Hindes 44 Horodetzki Shmuel Aba - son in law of Feiga Magazinik 37,38,59 Promoter of in New style "Cheder" & then scholar of Chasidic History Horvitz R' Yshyahu 13 Horvitz Moshe Isaac 10,33,34 Gvir [wealthy man] in Berdichev Horvitz R' Schmuel >from Ritchval 19,20 Kamhaf Shaul Itzchak - Rabbi in Prague 61 Kaminka Aharon son of Wolf 61 Kaminka R' Yosef Leib 13 Katz Alter 39 Book Seller Katzin Leib 27 Industrialist Kazenelenbogen R' Avraham >from Brisk 20 Keizer 45 Kipnis Menachem 32 Tenor Kitinik Yechiel 41 Local Zionist Klarich Simcha [>from Brezne] 13,38 Teacher in New style Cheder in Berdichev Kleinman Moshe 38,40,41,51,60 Commite member of New "Cheder" education, Editor of "Ezra" Kloger R' Shlomo 18 Koblianski Sh. N. 41 Local Zionist Kopt Asher 45 Landoi or Landau, R' Yechezkel, son of Ahron [Synagauge on his name] 8,35 Previously served in Yampola, was Rubinshtein partner in wine business Lebovski Fruma 45 Leder {Lador} Shalom 63 Writer of chapter Leder David 43,44,45 Lerner [Shochat] Yitchak 43 Lerner Yosef Yehuda 11 Levin Zalman 11 Levinski A. L. 39 Representative of the wineries of Palestine Levinzon Yitchak Ber 10,13 Libandovski 33,34 Liber 48 Liber R' Eliezer 12,17 Librantski Synagauge 36 Lilental Dr. 10 Linder B. 55 writer of chapter Lipetz 5 Yiddish fanatist, became a General in the rRed Army - under the name Petrovski Lipetz David - Leader of the Bund 43,64 Lishinski Yaacov 47 Magazinik Abraham Dov Ber - Husband of Feiga died young in Tirol 58 Magazinik Berl Synaguage 36 Magazinik Feiga daughter of R' Baruch >from Tchernobil - died in Israel 58 Grand daughter of Chana Chaia daughter of R' Mordechai of Tchernobil Magazinik House 14 Magazinik Tzvi - son of Feiga - died in Israel 59 Magazinik Yitchak - son of Feiga - died in Israel 1943 age 55 59 Magazink Perl,Ahron,Mordechai, Yehoshua-Heshel, Nachum, Leah, Mirl, Yitcak, Zvi 58 Kids of Feiga and Avraham Dov Ber Makler Abraham 10 Marder Yechezkel 45 Margalit Menashe 10 Margalit R' Israel 18 Margalit R' Meshulam Nathan 17,18 Margalit R' Moshe form Taringrad 19 Margalit R' Yaacov 18 Margovski Yaacov Moshe [R' Zeidel] >from Rovna 1856-1943 15,26,31 Cantor & composer Mashevitz 45 Melamed 45 Mendale Mocher Sfarim 11,13 Mendelson 9 Mendlshtam Prof. 42 Menzon 14 Menzon Shamai Synagauge 35 Menzon Yechezkel 15,38,41 Commite member of New "Cheder" education Midvidovski Meir son of R' Chaim 30 Opera singer in St petrsburg Milkus 10 Minkovski Pinchas [b. Beila Tzerkov 1859-d. New York 1924] son of Mordechai Godis 30,34 Cantor in Odessa Mintzker Ina 45 Mintzler Baruch 45 Mosinzon Dr. 42 Muchinik Munia 45 Muchnik Asher 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Nachum Motinka 30 Bariton voice Naumberg 34 Nirnberg Fannie 43 Nirnberg Husband of Fannie 43 Novokovski David [b. Malin 1848 - d. Odessa 1921] 33 Conductor in Odessa Obdinik 45 Onipolski 10 Ortinberg R' David son of Israel Zvi 13,18,19,41 Ortinberg R' Israel Zvi 18 Osishkin 48 Pasternak Moshe 28 Cantor Peretz R' Arie Leibush 19 Peretz R' Israel >from Levratov 19 Perlmuter 38 Commite member of New "Cheder" education, son in law of R' Sheftel the publisher Phipolshtein 39,40,41 Agent of journals [e.g "Hatzphira"] in Berdichev Pichtenholtz Synagauge 35 Piserbaski 44 Pisrbaski 48 Politzintzki 10 Polonski Tova (Gitel) 60 Polonski Yaacov -husband of Gitel 60 Poloshko Eliezer 49 Writer of Chapter Pritzker Chaim son of Moshe 44 Pritzker R' Asher 18 Pritzker R' Moshe 18,44 Psis R' 13 R' Yechezkel 35 Cantor in Berdichev R' Abraham Meshulam Zalman 12,17 R' Aharon "the Great" 20 R' Aharon >from Zitomir 23 R' Aharonitzi >from Shpitznitzi 56 R' Asher the carpenter & his wife Dvosa 51 R' Avram the "Shochet" 18 R' Baruch >from Medzibuzh 23 R' Chaim the Carpenter Synagauge 35 R' David [Dodle] >from Talnoye 30 R' David the shoemaker 64 R' Dov Ber >from Mezeritch 13,20 R' Israel [Iserl] Hacohen >from Belz [b. Berdichev 1845 - d. New York 1916] 35 Cantor in Berdichev R' Israel >from Kuznitz 23 R' Itchak >from Kalov 24 R' Izchak Elchanan 18 R' Levi Yitchak of Berdichev son of Meir 7,17,19,20-25,33 R' Liber "the great" 20 R' Meir son of Levi Itchak >from Berditchev 24 R' Moshe Abraham son of Yechiel Michl 12 R' Moshe >from Proskorov 32 Tenor R' Moshe >from Radomshil 28 Cantor R' Moshe son of R' Yosef 18 R' Moshe son of Shmuel 12 R' Nachman >from Wrotzlav [Braslau] 23 R' Pinchas 18 R' Schmuel >from Kaminka 23 R' Shneor Zalman >from Ladi 23 R' Yaaacov Itzchak >from Lublin 22 R' Yaacov Yosef >from Polneah 20 R' Yehoshua Heshel >from Chelem 8 R' Yehushua Heshel Avram ["Pizi" - the miniatur] [b. Berdichev 1820 - 1892] 34 Cantor in Odessa R' Yosef 18 R' Yosef >from Slonim 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham R' Zalman >from Uman 28 Cantor R' Zeev >from Zitomir 20 Rabinovitch Hirtz 13 Rapoport Yacov 32 Cantor Remez 44 Roitman David 32 Cantor Rosenfeld Yosef 41 Local Zionist Rotenberg Dr. Israel son of David 10 Rubinshtein 8 >from a musical composers family, converted to save his soul from death penalty Sares R' Leib 20 Shapira Avraham 45,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Sharfshtein Zvi 13 Shechtman 48 Sheftel Yacov 5,32 Owner of Printing (Publishing) house in Berditchev Sheinfeld Abraham 42 Writer of a chapter "Beginning of Zionism" Sheinkar Mirdechai 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Sheinker [Shenkar] Ben Zion son of Chaim [1901 - 1946] 44, 56,57,58 Shenkar Arie [Uncle of Ben Zion] 56, 57 Shlomo David 28 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham Shnitkover Shmeril 8 Shor or Shur Baruch >from Lvov 26 Cantor Shpigel 45 Shpitzberg Zeev 10,28,29,33,34 Pupil of Blindman Chaim Yerucham and a poet Shteinberg Moshe 32 Cantor Shteinberg Eliyahu son of Shalom Nathan [decendant R' Levi Ytchak of Berditchev] 62 Shteinman Eliezer 60 Shtempel Zeev >from Charson 28,29 Shulman Kalman 40 Shulzinger [Syanagouge singer] Bezalel 28, 34 Cantor in Odessa Smolier Baron son of Eizishi 34 Conductor in Nikolaiev Smolier Eizishi 34 Cantor Soroka Yaacov 14 Spivak Alter elder son of Nisan 31 Spivak Nisan [Nisi >from Belz] 1824-1906 15,26,27,28,29,42 Cantor & conductor Spivak Yudle youngest son of Nisan 31 Spoznik Avraham b. 1854 in Chodorkov d. in Palstine 1915 61 Tarshish R' Zelig 18 Teler - captain 51 Teomim R' Meir 19 Teomim R' Yosef 19 Tiomkin 44 Twerski Ahron son of Mordechai >from Tchernobile 13 Tzederboim 5 wrote a book on his visit to Berditchev, 100 pages in Yidish Tzunzer Elyakum [Possibly >from Tzunz] 26 comedian Vest Herst son of Israel d. 1933 Age 74 13,61 Vest Benyamin 44,46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921, Writer of Chapter Vest R' Israel 15 Vest Yosef 45 Weinberg Michael 50 Saved Dinikin >from Lintz in Berditchev Wientraub 34 Wolkenshtein Avigdor 13 Yacovkin 34 Choir conductor Yerushatzki Yehuda 45 Yevin 44 Yudkis Chava 46,47 Member of 1st Labour Coperative in Berdichev 1921 Yudkis Yitchak 45 Yulis Israel 41 Gabai of the Synagouge Yulis Zeev 63 Writer of a chapter Zabotinski 42 Zak Ahron 44 Zemelman 45 Zlikin 44,48 Zlotopolski 42 Zoifel 11 Zoltzer Shlomo 10,27,33,34 Cantor Zrubaavel 48 Zukerman 45 MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although this appears at first glance to be a personal message, the information it contains will probably be of interest to our readers. 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Gil Teitler and Leah Jordan Bisel your e-mails have bounced #poland Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> #238355 I am looking for the correct/new e-mails for Gil Teitler >from Paris France and Leah Jordan Bisel. I sent them e-mails regarding the Sochaczew, Poland Yizkor Book Translation and theybounced. Does anyone know either of them or either of their current e-mail addresses? Thank you Jan Meisels Allen Agoura Hills, CA Sochaczew Poland Yizkor Book Translation Coordinator
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Galician districts for purposes of JRI #poland IsraelP <zach4v6@...> #238356 My own impression is that records in subordinate towns is not an unambiguous matter. For instance it seems that Skalat's death records include those for Kozowka, but there is nary a Kozowka birth record in Skalat. (Supposedly they are in Miklunice.) Similarly, there are some Grimaylow records in Skalat, but other Grimaylow births are not there and I don't know where they are. In Rozdol, there are birth records >from Mikolayev, but not >from Brezdowice - despite the fact that Brezdowice in between Rozdol and Mikolayev. Israel Pickholtz
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JOWBR Launch #poland Joyce Field #238357 Hurry and get on the launch! The JEWISHGEN ONLINE WORLDWIDE BURIAL REGISTRY is projecting its searchable database to be online in mid to late July 2001. You are encouraged to submit your burial data now to this exciting program. The JOWBR will be in a searchable database on JewishGen and the data will also be incorporated into the relevant "All Country" databases. Available photographs of the tombstones can also be submitted with the data. The appearance of the database will be similar to that of the Bristol cemeteries database at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/bristol.htm. We know that many of you who have contacted us are busy this Spring collecting data and many of you are traveling to your ancestral homes this summer to survey the local cemeteries. Your data may not, therefore, be available for the initial launch. But we are asking those of you who have already collected your data to submit it to us no later than June 15 for the initial launch. We will be doing quarterly updates thereafter, with submission dates in 2001 being September 15 for inclusion in the Fall Update and December 15 for the Winter Update. So those of you who are collecting data this Summer will still be able to get your work into the JOWBR in 2001. This project will be ongoing for many years and we are expecting to do quarterly updates for a long time. It will be helpful if you input your data into our template, which can be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/, being especially careful to follow instructions for the date fields. The instructions are at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/JOWBRinstructions.htm. Also, a reminder that donor agreements be submitted with the data. Mail donor agreements to Harriet Brown, Administrative Coordinator, and data as email attachments to Ernie Fine, Technical Coordinator. Without the help of Harriet Brown, Ernie Fine, Warren Blatt, and Michael Tobias, none of this would be possible. My heartfelt thanks to them and to the countless others who have collected and are collecting burial data and donating the results of their hard work to JewishGen where it will be freely accessible to all researchers. Joyce Field JewishGen Vice President, Research jfield@jewishgen.org
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JRI Poland #Poland Gil Teitler and Leah Jordan Bisel your e-mails have bounced #poland Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...> #558674 I am looking for the correct/new e-mails for Gil Teitler >from Paris France and Leah Jordan Bisel. I sent them e-mails regarding the Sochaczew, Poland Yizkor Book Translation and theybounced. Does anyone know either of them or either of their current e-mail addresses? Thank you Jan Meisels Allen Agoura Hills, CA Sochaczew Poland Yizkor Book Translation Coordinator
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JRI Poland #Poland Galician districts for purposes of JRI #poland IsraelP <zach4v6@...> #558675 My own impression is that records in subordinate towns is not an unambiguous matter. For instance it seems that Skalat's death records include those for Kozowka, but there is nary a Kozowka birth record in Skalat. (Supposedly they are in Miklunice.) Similarly, there are some Grimaylow records in Skalat, but other Grimaylow births are not there and I don't know where they are. In Rozdol, there are birth records >from Mikolayev, but not >from Brezdowice - despite the fact that Brezdowice in between Rozdol and Mikolayev. Israel Pickholtz
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JRI Poland #Poland JOWBR Launch #poland Joyce Field #558676 Hurry and get on the launch! The JEWISHGEN ONLINE WORLDWIDE BURIAL REGISTRY is projecting its searchable database to be online in mid to late July 2001. You are encouraged to submit your burial data now to this exciting program. The JOWBR will be in a searchable database on JewishGen and the data will also be incorporated into the relevant "All Country" databases. Available photographs of the tombstones can also be submitted with the data. The appearance of the database will be similar to that of the Bristol cemeteries database at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/bristol.htm. We know that many of you who have contacted us are busy this Spring collecting data and many of you are traveling to your ancestral homes this summer to survey the local cemeteries. Your data may not, therefore, be available for the initial launch. But we are asking those of you who have already collected your data to submit it to us no later than June 15 for the initial launch. We will be doing quarterly updates thereafter, with submission dates in 2001 being September 15 for inclusion in the Fall Update and December 15 for the Winter Update. So those of you who are collecting data this Summer will still be able to get your work into the JOWBR in 2001. This project will be ongoing for many years and we are expecting to do quarterly updates for a long time. It will be helpful if you input your data into our template, which can be found at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/, being especially careful to follow instructions for the date fields. The instructions are at http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/JOWBRinstructions.htm. Also, a reminder that donor agreements be submitted with the data. Mail donor agreements to Harriet Brown, Administrative Coordinator, and data as email attachments to Ernie Fine, Technical Coordinator. Without the help of Harriet Brown, Ernie Fine, Warren Blatt, and Michael Tobias, none of this would be possible. My heartfelt thanks to them and to the countless others who have collected and are collecting burial data and donating the results of their hard work to JewishGen where it will be freely accessible to all researchers. Joyce Field JewishGen Vice President, Research jfield@jewishgen.org
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Re: Henek-Herman #galicia Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...> #238354 Thank you very much to all those who took the time to reply to my e-mail. I have just confirmed that YES, my uncle was Henek (called by his family) and Herman in legal Papers. Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@elsitio.net
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JRI Poland #Poland Re: Henek-Herman #poland Lilian Schorr <lilianschorr@...> #558673 Thank you very much to all those who took the time to reply to my e-mail. I have just confirmed that YES, my uncle was Henek (called by his family) and Herman in legal Papers. Lilian Schorr Landes lilianschorr@elsitio.net
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migrations maps #belarus Elsebeth Paikin #13554 At 17:52 09-05-01 -0500, Dawn Glover wrote: .... snip ...... Are there similar maps showing most common routes E. European Jews took from Belarus, Lithuania and Poland?? I've searched the web all day and, although I've found several good maps, I've found none that show migrations. Perhaps there is a book about Jewish migrations >from E. Europe to US I could purchase that would include maps. Any info appreciated. ------------------------- I would greatly appreciate any information of such maps, but also all information about emigration routes. I am preparing a paper on the migration >from Russia, Poland and other Eastern European countries (you can read the first draft on the project on my webpage: http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/migr_speciale_us.htm Any and all information, help, hints will be greatly appreciated. Best wishes ------------------------------------------------- Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark Coordinator & Webmaster of JewishGen Denmark SIG http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/ mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk Researching: One name study: PAIKIN (worldwide - all spellings) Latvia & Lithuania: STOLBOW/STOLBOFF - HAMEROW/GAMEROW - SOFFER/SOFER ---------------------------------------------------
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Belarus SIG #Belarus migrations maps #belarus Elsebeth Paikin #333994 At 17:52 09-05-01 -0500, Dawn Glover wrote: .... snip ...... Are there similar maps showing most common routes E. European Jews took from Belarus, Lithuania and Poland?? I've searched the web all day and, although I've found several good maps, I've found none that show migrations. Perhaps there is a book about Jewish migrations >from E. Europe to US I could purchase that would include maps. Any info appreciated. ------------------------- I would greatly appreciate any information of such maps, but also all information about emigration routes. I am preparing a paper on the migration >from Russia, Poland and other Eastern European countries (you can read the first draft on the project on my webpage: http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/migr_speciale_us.htm Any and all information, help, hints will be greatly appreciated. Best wishes ------------------------------------------------- Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark Coordinator & Webmaster of JewishGen Denmark SIG http://www.jewishgen.org/denmark http://home.worldonline.dk/~epaikin/ mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk Researching: One name study: PAIKIN (worldwide - all spellings) Latvia & Lithuania: STOLBOW/STOLBOFF - HAMEROW/GAMEROW - SOFFER/SOFER ---------------------------------------------------
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Re: my MARCUS #belarus Linda D. Epstein <lepstein@...> #13551 The MARCUS in my family is as such: Sam Saffian (b 1893 Makow Poland) married Bella Marcus (b. Dec 1900, d. May 1987 in Los Angeles CA). I am told that Bella was a cousin of the same Marcus of Neiman-Marcus. Sam and Bella had three children, Morris Ray Allen, Robert and Saul. Saffian could well have changed to Safian in that family. If these people ring a bell, do email me! Linda D. Epstein -lepstein@erols.com TIKOTZINSKI/EPSTEIN: SOKOLKA, GRODNO,---> ELMIRA, NY * SPUND/MORRIS/SHAPIRO: MINSK, RUSSIA, ---> WASHINGTON, DC and CHICAGO, IL * WEINSTEIN: MAKOW, POLAND, (Lomza Gubernia) ---> ISRAEL and NYC, US * SAFFIAN/SAFIAN: MAKOW, POLAND, (Lomza Gubernia) ---> LA, CA, NYC, US * WOLFOWICH KRINKY, GRODNO ***GROSSMAN: VIRDUKLA, LITHUANIA ---> Utica, NY
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Castle Garden Immigration Records #belarus theentins <theentins@...> #13552 There have been many posts on the various SIG's and digests concerning the existence (or destruction by fire) of the Castle Garden immigration records. (See JewishGen digest archives.) I know that NARA and the LDS have the New York passenger arrivals during the Castle Garden priod (to 1892) on microfilm. What I am led to believe was that if any records were destroyed, it was indexes. As we know there is no New York passenger ship index for 1848-1892. Since Ellis Island records were recently made available rather quickly over the past few years, the the same could be done (especially if they were digitized) with the Castle Garden records. Does anyone know the true facts of the Castle Garden fire? Does anyone know of any plan to index the New York passenger ship records? Jeffrey S. Entin Fall River, MA ENTIN, Minsk, Belarus; BERLYAVSKY, Pereyaslav and Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine; PERCIKOVICH (HORVITZ), Butrimonys, Lithuania; BUBELSKY, Prienai, Lithuania; LEVIN, Vilnius, Lithuania; SCHILANSKY, Mariampole and Siauliai, Lithuania; LIPSCHITZ, Kaunas and Vilnius, Lithuania; UCHEVITZ, Vilnius, Lithuania, KABATCHNICK , Lithuania; FALK, Lithuania
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date discrepancies on documents #belarus faye pearl <fcpearl@...> #13553 I, too, had been searching for my father's ship manifest based on the information he provided on naturalaization documents. Because of the EI database, I now know that he listed his date of emigration as his date of arrival. Hope this helps. Faye Chaikin Pearl San Diego, CA
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: my MARCUS #belarus Linda D. Epstein <lepstein@...> #333991 The MARCUS in my family is as such: Sam Saffian (b 1893 Makow Poland) married Bella Marcus (b. Dec 1900, d. May 1987 in Los Angeles CA). I am told that Bella was a cousin of the same Marcus of Neiman-Marcus. Sam and Bella had three children, Morris Ray Allen, Robert and Saul. Saffian could well have changed to Safian in that family. If these people ring a bell, do email me! Linda D. Epstein -lepstein@erols.com TIKOTZINSKI/EPSTEIN: SOKOLKA, GRODNO,---> ELMIRA, NY * SPUND/MORRIS/SHAPIRO: MINSK, RUSSIA, ---> WASHINGTON, DC and CHICAGO, IL * WEINSTEIN: MAKOW, POLAND, (Lomza Gubernia) ---> ISRAEL and NYC, US * SAFFIAN/SAFIAN: MAKOW, POLAND, (Lomza Gubernia) ---> LA, CA, NYC, US * WOLFOWICH KRINKY, GRODNO ***GROSSMAN: VIRDUKLA, LITHUANIA ---> Utica, NY
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