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We are all Americans now... #poland

Judith Davies <jude@...>
 

Dear Friends - Fellow Genners in the U.S, especially those who are missing
friends & relatives, we are all with you in spirit at this terrible time.
Instant media communications has meant that so many of us watched this
atrocity infold in absolute & disbelief together accross the world before
our eyes. Many of us have friends, relatives & acquaintances living in NYC &
worked in the WTC or close vicinity.
A palpable deep gloom & sadness envelopes us all which words are not
sufficient to express.

We are all Americans now...Heartfelt condolences.

from : Judith Davies,England


JRI Poland #Poland We are all Americans now... #poland

Judith Davies <jude@...>
 

Dear Friends - Fellow Genners in the U.S, especially those who are missing
friends & relatives, we are all with you in spirit at this terrible time.
Instant media communications has meant that so many of us watched this
atrocity infold in absolute & disbelief together accross the world before
our eyes. Many of us have friends, relatives & acquaintances living in NYC &
worked in the WTC or close vicinity.
A palpable deep gloom & sadness envelopes us all which words are not
sufficient to express.

We are all Americans now...Heartfelt condolences.

from : Judith Davies,England


Shana Tova and request for help: Odessa streets #general

Simon Barak
 

First of all,  Shana Tova to all of you and your families. I hope none
of your loved ones was hurt in the vandal act of terrorism in NY and
pray for all those who have been lost and injured. A traditional
blessing for the season is: Let the Old Year and it's curses end and let
the New Year begin with it's blessings. Amen.
 
I am the guy behind the web site dedicated to the genealogy and history
of the Barg, Berg, Bark & Barck Jewish Families and the Barg one name
study at http://geocities.com/bargfamily/
The majority of the Barg families are originally >from the Ukraine, mine
specifically >from Odessa and surrounding shtetls.
Looking on data posted in the Jewish Gen Site I found the following
potentially relatives:
1. Solomon son of Isai Berg who had a farm tools & mechanisms shop in
Pochtovaia 20 (according to the 1895 directory) and later (1899) moved
to Uspenskaia corner. Rishel'evskaia, Mikhel'son bldg.
2. Samuil son of Usher Berg who had a grain & bread factory/agent in
Kniazheskaia 2 but his private residence was at Baltovskaia road
3. Kh.-I. son of Sh BARK, a broker/middle-men agency at Uspenskaia 101

Since Usher Berg was my GGF and had a grain and bread factory I have no
doubt Samuil was my Great Uncle
Since Solomon's children emigrated later to Argentina and were referred
by my Grandmother as first cousins, and Usher  father's name was Shaie
(Yiddish for Isai) I have no doubt that Solomon was my GGF brother and
therefore my GGUncle.
I am lost about Kh.-I. son of Sh BARK. I am still speculating what Kh I
stand for : Khaim Yossef? and the Sh is for Shmuel? Shaie? Shloime?
I thought I might get a clue if this gentleman is related to me by
finding if his office/shop at Uspenskaia 101 stood near (or maybe even
in the same building) as my GGUncle (who had his shop at Uspenskaia
corner. Rishel'evskaia, Mikhel'son bldg.).
Anybody there with an old street map of Odessa and willing to help?
Dr Shimon Barak
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shana Tova and request for help: Odessa streets #general

Simon Barak
 

First of all,  Shana Tova to all of you and your families. I hope none
of your loved ones was hurt in the vandal act of terrorism in NY and
pray for all those who have been lost and injured. A traditional
blessing for the season is: Let the Old Year and it's curses end and let
the New Year begin with it's blessings. Amen.
 
I am the guy behind the web site dedicated to the genealogy and history
of the Barg, Berg, Bark & Barck Jewish Families and the Barg one name
study at http://geocities.com/bargfamily/
The majority of the Barg families are originally >from the Ukraine, mine
specifically >from Odessa and surrounding shtetls.
Looking on data posted in the Jewish Gen Site I found the following
potentially relatives:
1. Solomon son of Isai Berg who had a farm tools & mechanisms shop in
Pochtovaia 20 (according to the 1895 directory) and later (1899) moved
to Uspenskaia corner. Rishel'evskaia, Mikhel'son bldg.
2. Samuil son of Usher Berg who had a grain & bread factory/agent in
Kniazheskaia 2 but his private residence was at Baltovskaia road
3. Kh.-I. son of Sh BARK, a broker/middle-men agency at Uspenskaia 101

Since Usher Berg was my GGF and had a grain and bread factory I have no
doubt Samuil was my Great Uncle
Since Solomon's children emigrated later to Argentina and were referred
by my Grandmother as first cousins, and Usher  father's name was Shaie
(Yiddish for Isai) I have no doubt that Solomon was my GGF brother and
therefore my GGUncle.
I am lost about Kh.-I. son of Sh BARK. I am still speculating what Kh I
stand for : Khaim Yossef? and the Sh is for Shmuel? Shaie? Shloime?
I thought I might get a clue if this gentleman is related to me by
finding if his office/shop at Uspenskaia 101 stood near (or maybe even
in the same building) as my GGUncle (who had his shop at Uspenskaia
corner. Rishel'evskaia, Mikhel'son bldg.).
Anybody there with an old street map of Odessa and willing to help?
Dr Shimon Barak
Israel


Re: The Leeson conscription file #general

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

As I've mentioned on some SIGs, but perhaps not on Jewishgen itself, I have
some professional research >from Vilnius on my Margolis ancestors [And
sorry, the researcher is good, but the e-mail address I have for him
bounces now].
During the period 1880s - WWI, among my father's uncles & cousins, the only
sons were conscripted. Eldest sons were conscripted. In fact, in a family
with 4 sons, every single one of them served in the Russian army. In
another family with many sons, every one of them who reached draft age
before World War I served. The only anomaly was one of my father's uncles,
who finished "technician" in railway engineering training at age 20 & was
only drafted a few months after graduation >from this training, while his
less-educated brothers & nephews were drafted 4-5 years younger than that.
So apparently there was such a thing as an educational deferment.

The period for which I have this hard evidence covers some of the major
migrations to the US >from Eastern Europe. My family data are consistent
with Dan Leeson's assertion that pseudo-adoptions by childless couples
because only sons were draft-exempt are suspect because there was no such
exemption. It is also consistent with his assertion that eldest sons were
not exempt either.

The occurrence of a story in multiple versions doesn't necessarily make it
true. At one time, nearly 100% of the population of Europe believed in the
existence of dragons. Closer to home, my father's cousin told us, when my
nephew weighed 8.5 pounds at birth, that her relatives in Belarus all
deliberately gorged themselves when pregnant & it was considered a disgrace
to give birth to a child that weighed less than 10 pounds. There was no
evidence this was beneficial & is, in fact, considered harmful today. Yet
it seems to have been the prevailing fashion at one time.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Leeson conscription file #general

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

As I've mentioned on some SIGs, but perhaps not on Jewishgen itself, I have
some professional research >from Vilnius on my Margolis ancestors [And
sorry, the researcher is good, but the e-mail address I have for him
bounces now].
During the period 1880s - WWI, among my father's uncles & cousins, the only
sons were conscripted. Eldest sons were conscripted. In fact, in a family
with 4 sons, every single one of them served in the Russian army. In
another family with many sons, every one of them who reached draft age
before World War I served. The only anomaly was one of my father's uncles,
who finished "technician" in railway engineering training at age 20 & was
only drafted a few months after graduation >from this training, while his
less-educated brothers & nephews were drafted 4-5 years younger than that.
So apparently there was such a thing as an educational deferment.

The period for which I have this hard evidence covers some of the major
migrations to the US >from Eastern Europe. My family data are consistent
with Dan Leeson's assertion that pseudo-adoptions by childless couples
because only sons were draft-exempt are suspect because there was no such
exemption. It is also consistent with his assertion that eldest sons were
not exempt either.

The occurrence of a story in multiple versions doesn't necessarily make it
true. At one time, nearly 100% of the population of Europe believed in the
existence of dragons. Closer to home, my father's cousin told us, when my
nephew weighed 8.5 pounds at birth, that her relatives in Belarus all
deliberately gorged themselves when pregnant & it was considered a disgrace
to give birth to a child that weighed less than 10 pounds. There was no
evidence this was beneficial & is, in fact, considered harmful today. Yet
it seems to have been the prevailing fashion at one time.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Re: Silly question, or is it?? EIDB #general

Jay Cohen
 

I have been searching for record of my wife's grandmother and her
infabnt son's arrival in US but to no avail. Her name should have
been Mary Reichmann and infant son Jacob. I was pretty certain that
arrival was sometime shortly after Jan 1905 and age wouod probably be
20.
Yesterday using Morse system I uncovered a listing for one Malke
Raichmann, aged 20 ,BUT travelling with female infant named Chaie! Has
anyone encountered any situation which might lend posssibility that
there could be any validity here??
I have a similar situation where my ggparents were recorded in the ship's
records as traveling with two children Sarah (Female, age 2yrs) and Ephraim
(Male, age 11 months).

In fact, I know of no Ephraim -- and, according to other records, Sarah was
either born after the ship docked or perhaps was about 9 months old at the
time. Sarah's sister, Esther, however was about 2 years old at the time --
and does not appear on the ship's register.

Conclusion: Either Esther traveled with another family (unlikely), or was
missed by the ship's officials (unlikely but possible) or someone mixed up
Sarah and Esther's names on the ship's registry *and* mistakenly recorded
Esther as Ephraim. I think this third explanation is the most likely --
but who can know for sure.

Jay Cohen
Washington DC metro area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Silly question, or is it?? EIDB #general

Jay Cohen
 

I have been searching for record of my wife's grandmother and her
infabnt son's arrival in US but to no avail. Her name should have
been Mary Reichmann and infant son Jacob. I was pretty certain that
arrival was sometime shortly after Jan 1905 and age wouod probably be
20.
Yesterday using Morse system I uncovered a listing for one Malke
Raichmann, aged 20 ,BUT travelling with female infant named Chaie! Has
anyone encountered any situation which might lend posssibility that
there could be any validity here??
I have a similar situation where my ggparents were recorded in the ship's
records as traveling with two children Sarah (Female, age 2yrs) and Ephraim
(Male, age 11 months).

In fact, I know of no Ephraim -- and, according to other records, Sarah was
either born after the ship docked or perhaps was about 9 months old at the
time. Sarah's sister, Esther, however was about 2 years old at the time --
and does not appear on the ship's register.

Conclusion: Either Esther traveled with another family (unlikely), or was
missed by the ship's officials (unlikely but possible) or someone mixed up
Sarah and Esther's names on the ship's registry *and* mistakenly recorded
Esther as Ephraim. I think this third explanation is the most likely --
but who can know for sure.

Jay Cohen
Washington DC metro area


Thanks for messages of sympathy #general

Dick Plotz
 

JewishGen acknowledges with gratitude additional messages of sympathy for
Tuesday's attacks received yesterday from:

Chantal Geyser
Mervyn Lakin
Margit Suhr
Nachum Tuchman
Theodore Imber
Jae and Diane Mason
Edna McDonald
Roni Krinsky
Bobbi and Jerry Cohen
Yoni Ben-Ari
Doreen Berger
Edna Bonkes
Gina and Robert Fraser
Mark Berkowitz

Messages with genealogical content, even those related to the disaster,
will be posted. We apologize to those of you whose full expressions of
sympathy were not posted because of space considerations.

Dick Plotz, coordinator
JewishGen moderation team


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks for messages of sympathy #general

Dick Plotz
 

JewishGen acknowledges with gratitude additional messages of sympathy for
Tuesday's attacks received yesterday from:

Chantal Geyser
Mervyn Lakin
Margit Suhr
Nachum Tuchman
Theodore Imber
Jae and Diane Mason
Edna McDonald
Roni Krinsky
Bobbi and Jerry Cohen
Yoni Ben-Ari
Doreen Berger
Edna Bonkes
Gina and Robert Fraser
Mark Berkowitz

Messages with genealogical content, even those related to the disaster,
will be posted. We apologize to those of you whose full expressions of
sympathy were not posted because of space considerations.

Dick Plotz, coordinator
JewishGen moderation team


Writing to Slovakian Archives (Bardejov - Presov - Hanusovce) #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

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I recently traced my SIMON/SUSSMAN family lines back to Topolyhanusfalva,
Saros County which is now Hanusovce nad Topou, Slovakia.

I had very good luck writing to the Nitra Archives on my Catholic BELANSZKY
line They were very quick and they traced back 5 generations of siblings for
a modest research fee (but copies of original source documents were not
provided).

I was going to write to write to the Slovakian Archives. According to Tom
Venetianer's list of addresses, I should write to the Archive at Bardejov for
Saris.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/Data/Slovakia_research_addresses_from_TomV.tx
t
* Bardejov (district)
Statny oblastny archiv Presov
- see Presov (district)
Statny okresny archiv (State District Archives)
Dlhy rad 16085 77 Bardejov

* Presov (district)
Statny oblastny archiv (State District Archives)
Slovenska 40080 01 Presov

(1) Which address should I write to for Hanusovce? Presov or Bardejov?

(2) I have already checked the temple records & 1867 census available >from
LDS FHC. Is the archive likely to have more information on Jewish families?

Any other information or tips on writing to Slovakian archives would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Paul Linhardt
Searching: LINHARDT (Bohemia), BELANSZKY (Nitra), SIMON/SUSSMAN (Nagyvarad),
Topolyhanusfalva), MAHLER (Nagyvarad, Marghita),
BREUER/GRUNBAUM/GOLDSTEIN/KANDEL (Ujfeherto), FISCHMAN (Mezolandy),
SALZBERGER (Munkacs)
Tree: http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Writing to Slovakian Archives (Bardejov - Presov - Hanusovce) #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

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I recently traced my SIMON/SUSSMAN family lines back to Topolyhanusfalva,
Saros County which is now Hanusovce nad Topou, Slovakia.

I had very good luck writing to the Nitra Archives on my Catholic BELANSZKY
line They were very quick and they traced back 5 generations of siblings for
a modest research fee (but copies of original source documents were not
provided).

I was going to write to write to the Slovakian Archives. According to Tom
Venetianer's list of addresses, I should write to the Archive at Bardejov for
Saris.

http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/Data/Slovakia_research_addresses_from_TomV.tx
t
* Bardejov (district)
Statny oblastny archiv Presov
- see Presov (district)
Statny okresny archiv (State District Archives)
Dlhy rad 16085 77 Bardejov

* Presov (district)
Statny oblastny archiv (State District Archives)
Slovenska 40080 01 Presov

(1) Which address should I write to for Hanusovce? Presov or Bardejov?

(2) I have already checked the temple records & 1867 census available >from
LDS FHC. Is the archive likely to have more information on Jewish families?

Any other information or tips on writing to Slovakian archives would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Paul Linhardt
Searching: LINHARDT (Bohemia), BELANSZKY (Nitra), SIMON/SUSSMAN (Nagyvarad),
Topolyhanusfalva), MAHLER (Nagyvarad, Marghita),
BREUER/GRUNBAUM/GOLDSTEIN/KANDEL (Ujfeherto), FISCHMAN (Mezolandy),
SALZBERGER (Munkacs)
Tree: http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


New York directory lookup request: John Brazzo Jeweler, 1936 #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

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I am trying to figure out the location of a photograph taken in New York
approximately in 1936.

On my web site, there is a picture of my grandmother's aunt (nee Terez
MAHLER) standing in front of her house with her husband Morton:
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/

(1) The inscription on the back says something about "age 57". >from what I
know about the aunt that would date the picture around 1936. >from the
clothing styles, does that seem right?


(2) Behind grandmother's aunt is a building with a sign painted for "John
Brazzo Jeweler". I'm trying to figure out what borough of New York they
lived in. Anyone with easy access to New York directories around 1936
willing to do a look up on "John Brazzo Jeweler" for me? Are there any
professional organizations I might contact that would have records of
jewelers >from that period?

My ultimate goal is to find Theresa MAHLER's married name. If I can narrow
it down to a single borough, I might be able to find a bride's surname
index.


Thanks for your help in advance.
Paul Linhardt
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


Hungary SIG #Hungary New York directory lookup request: John Brazzo Jeweler, 1936 #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

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I am trying to figure out the location of a photograph taken in New York
approximately in 1936.

On my web site, there is a picture of my grandmother's aunt (nee Terez
MAHLER) standing in front of her house with her husband Morton:
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/

(1) The inscription on the back says something about "age 57". >from what I
know about the aunt that would date the picture around 1936. >from the
clothing styles, does that seem right?


(2) Behind grandmother's aunt is a building with a sign painted for "John
Brazzo Jeweler". I'm trying to figure out what borough of New York they
lived in. Anyone with easy access to New York directories around 1936
willing to do a look up on "John Brazzo Jeweler" for me? Are there any
professional organizations I might contact that would have records of
jewelers >from that period?

My ultimate goal is to find Theresa MAHLER's married name. If I can narrow
it down to a single borough, I might be able to find a bride's surname
index.


Thanks for your help in advance.
Paul Linhardt
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


odessa! #ukraine

A Nezlin <anezlin@...>
 

Hi,

the shutdown of Odessa SIG coincided with me changing
the e-mail address. There was talk at the time of
continuing somewhere else. Any ppl >from the old list
out there?

Thanks for any info,

Alexander Nezlin
e-mail: anezlin@yahoo.com

searching for:
NEZLIN, Kolyshki, Byelorusiya
ZUSMAN, Odessa, Ukraine
GUTMAN, Odessa, Ukraine, possibly Berlin, Germany
FINKELSHTEYN/FINKELSTEIN, Odessa, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine odessa! #ukraine

A Nezlin <anezlin@...>
 

Hi,

the shutdown of Odessa SIG coincided with me changing
the e-mail address. There was talk at the time of
continuing somewhere else. Any ppl >from the old list
out there?

Thanks for any info,

Alexander Nezlin
e-mail: anezlin@yahoo.com

searching for:
NEZLIN, Kolyshki, Byelorusiya
ZUSMAN, Odessa, Ukraine
GUTMAN, Odessa, Ukraine, possibly Berlin, Germany
FINKELSHTEYN/FINKELSTEIN, Odessa, Ukraine

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: God Bless America! #ukraine

Phyllis Greene <greene@...>
 

Lilian,

Thank you for your sensitivity and your prayers.

The apocalyptic events of the last 2 days have only heightened my
appreciation and love for my family. Identifying my ancestors so that I may
know of and honor the lives that made mine possible, is more important to me
than ever before. I feel blessed that I am alive to continue researching
and documenting my heritage, so that I may leave this precious knowledge for
my children.

Thank You,

Phyllis Greene
Lexington, MA USA

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [ukraine] God Bless America!

My dear American friends
My heartfelt sympathy at the terrible attacks on your country and the murder
of so many innocent people. I will remember the victims and their families
in my prayers.
Shalom,
Lilian Gellnick
Barnet, Hertfordshire, England


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: God Bless America! #ukraine

Phyllis Greene <greene@...>
 

Lilian,

Thank you for your sensitivity and your prayers.

The apocalyptic events of the last 2 days have only heightened my
appreciation and love for my family. Identifying my ancestors so that I may
know of and honor the lives that made mine possible, is more important to me
than ever before. I feel blessed that I am alive to continue researching
and documenting my heritage, so that I may leave this precious knowledge for
my children.

Thank You,

Phyllis Greene
Lexington, MA USA

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [ukraine] God Bless America!

My dear American friends
My heartfelt sympathy at the terrible attacks on your country and the murder
of so many innocent people. I will remember the victims and their families
in my prayers.
Shalom,
Lilian Gellnick
Barnet, Hertfordshire, England


Rumanian address #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

An old immigration file at the Central Zionist archives contains an
inquiry about someone whose last known address (pre WWII??) is

Cresul Stalin Str.
Piata 23 August No. 10, Apt 10.

There is a handwritten note that this is Rumania.

Is there a city name hiding in ther that I missed?

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rumanian address #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

An old immigration file at the Central Zionist archives contains an
inquiry about someone whose last known address (pre WWII??) is

Cresul Stalin Str.
Piata 23 August No. 10, Apt 10.

There is a handwritten note that this is Rumania.

Is there a city name hiding in ther that I missed?

Israel Pickholtz