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Re: Given Names Miriam and Malke #galicia

garymaher@...
 

Are any of you able to tell me if there is a relationship between
the female given names Miriam and Malke?
In my experience, when transferring >from Europe to English speaking
countries, any given name with the same initial letter is fair game.
That's not to say that they always kept the same first letter -- to take
just one example, many women named Shaina became Jenny -- but I sure
wouldn't rule out Molly, Mary, Martha or Miriam as corresponding to
Malke.

Gary Maher
NJ / USA


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Given Names Miriam and Malke #poland

garymaher@...
 

Are any of you able to tell me if there is a relationship between
the female given names Miriam and Malke?
In my experience, when transferring >from Europe to English speaking
countries, any given name with the same initial letter is fair game.
That's not to say that they always kept the same first letter -- to take
just one example, many women named Shaina became Jenny -- but I sure
wouldn't rule out Molly, Mary, Martha or Miriam as corresponding to
Malke.

Gary Maher
NJ / USA


Re: Given Names Miriam and Malke #galicia

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Eden Joachim posted as follows:

"Are any of you able to tell me if there is a relationship between the
female given names Miriam and Malke?

I have searched Professor Esterson's Given Names Database and cannot make a
determination.

My great great grandmother died in Newark, New Jersey in 1910, and her son
listed her mother's name as Miriam. The records for Rzeszow, Poland, from
whence she came, do not have any entries giving the mother's name as
Miriam, but do have many entries for a mother named Malke."


These two Hebrew given names (Miriam and Malke) are completely independent
of one another. They have different origins.

But having said that, it was sometimes the case that Jewish parents in
European countries chose two names for a child, not only in order to honor
two different dead ancestors, but also because they sounded good
together. I think that is the case for Miryam and Malke -- they both begin with the letter "M" and they do sound good together. But all this says, is that Eden has a low-grade "hunters license" to try to show that the GG grandmother may have had both names and sometimes used one, other times, the other for different purposes.

I would save the information for the different names and continue to search for both of them in archival documents until one is sure one way or the other.

If it turns out that she did have both names, then it means of course that
Eden should also search in the archives for those ancestors for whom the GG grandmother was named.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Given Names Miriam and Malke #poland

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Eden Joachim posted as follows:

"Are any of you able to tell me if there is a relationship between the
female given names Miriam and Malke?

I have searched Professor Esterson's Given Names Database and cannot make a
determination.

My great great grandmother died in Newark, New Jersey in 1910, and her son
listed her mother's name as Miriam. The records for Rzeszow, Poland, from
whence she came, do not have any entries giving the mother's name as
Miriam, but do have many entries for a mother named Malke."


These two Hebrew given names (Miriam and Malke) are completely independent
of one another. They have different origins.

But having said that, it was sometimes the case that Jewish parents in
European countries chose two names for a child, not only in order to honor
two different dead ancestors, but also because they sounded good
together. I think that is the case for Miryam and Malke -- they both begin with the letter "M" and they do sound good together. But all this says, is that Eden has a low-grade "hunters license" to try to show that the GG grandmother may have had both names and sometimes used one, other times, the other for different purposes.

I would save the information for the different names and continue to search for both of them in archival documents until one is sure one way or the other.

If it turns out that she did have both names, then it means of course that
Eden should also search in the archives for those ancestors for whom the GG grandmother was named.

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel


Hungarian accent marks #hungary

Pete <peteg@...>
 

I am doing some transcriptions >from Hungarian to English. My question is
regarding Hungarian accent marks, and I am confused as to when Á is used
versus À , etc.

Is it accurate to say that in Hungarian, accents on names are
exclusively >from this set: Á, É, Ó, Õ, Ü ?

--
Peter M. Grossinger
Morgan Hill, California


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian accent marks #hungary

Pete <peteg@...>
 

I am doing some transcriptions >from Hungarian to English. My question is
regarding Hungarian accent marks, and I am confused as to when Á is used
versus À , etc.

Is it accurate to say that in Hungarian, accents on names are
exclusively >from this set: Á, É, Ó, Õ, Ü ?

--
Peter M. Grossinger
Morgan Hill, California


Gava, Hungary #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all.

I am trying to determine the exact location of the village of Gava in
Szabolcs county. I have obtained a detailed map of Hungary, but Gava, which
is a village of around 500, does not appear, nor is it in the Shtetl Seeker.
What I'm hoping to get is a distance and direction >from a larger city in the
region, such as "twelve miles >from Nyiregyhaza and three miles >from Tokaj".
If given in that manner, I can draw a couple of circles and locate it on my
map.

Incidentally, I spent some time looking for maps on the internet that would
show the location, was unsuccessful.

Thanks. I'm getting there. :-)

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Moderator VK: I was able to find Gava using mapquest.com. It's south of Sarospatak and slightly northwest of Nagyhalasz, easterly of a place called Gavavencsello.


Re: Does "Wolf" = "Farkas" #hungary

Emcarth <farran@...>
 

Farkas does mean wolf in Hungarian. However the name has greater meaning.
Farkas is a Kinnui (secular name) of Benjamin, whom Jacob describes as a
Wolf who devours his prey in the morning and divided the spoiles in the
evening Gen 49.27).

Bill Farran Grandson of Louis Farkowitz--(Son of Farkas)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Gava, Hungary #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all.

I am trying to determine the exact location of the village of Gava in
Szabolcs county. I have obtained a detailed map of Hungary, but Gava, which
is a village of around 500, does not appear, nor is it in the Shtetl Seeker.
What I'm hoping to get is a distance and direction >from a larger city in the
region, such as "twelve miles >from Nyiregyhaza and three miles >from Tokaj".
If given in that manner, I can draw a couple of circles and locate it on my
map.

Incidentally, I spent some time looking for maps on the internet that would
show the location, was unsuccessful.

Thanks. I'm getting there. :-)

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@comcast.net

Moderator VK: I was able to find Gava using mapquest.com. It's south of Sarospatak and slightly northwest of Nagyhalasz, easterly of a place called Gavavencsello.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Does "Wolf" = "Farkas" #hungary

Emcarth <farran@...>
 

Farkas does mean wolf in Hungarian. However the name has greater meaning.
Farkas is a Kinnui (secular name) of Benjamin, whom Jacob describes as a
Wolf who devours his prey in the morning and divided the spoiles in the
evening Gen 49.27).

Bill Farran Grandson of Louis Farkowitz--(Son of Farkas)


Re: Marc Chagall #lithuania

Lestsmith@...
 

Marc Chagall was born MOYSHE SEGAL in Vitebsk on July 7, 1887. In 1910 he moved to Paris for the first time, and adopted the "French" name of Marc Chagall.

Lester Smith
Sacramento

Searching: SHUMELISKY (Oshmina Uyezd), ROSENBLUM & SKLARSKY (Vilkovisk),
HYMAN (Slutsk), APFELBAUM (Cernovitz)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Marc Chagall #lithuania

Lestsmith@...
 

Marc Chagall was born MOYSHE SEGAL in Vitebsk on July 7, 1887. In 1910 he moved to Paris for the first time, and adopted the "French" name of Marc Chagall.

Lester Smith
Sacramento

Searching: SHUMELISKY (Oshmina Uyezd), ROSENBLUM & SKLARSKY (Vilkovisk),
HYMAN (Slutsk), APFELBAUM (Cernovitz)


Re: Marc Chagall/ Litvak pronunciation #lithuania

elaine cohen <elaco@...>
 

This email is sent in reply to Judy's email about the Chagall/Segal name.
My grandfather was >from Salantai, Lithuania. When speaking English, he
could not pronounce the letter combination "sh". Instead he would sound
"s". So Fish would sound like Fis. Maybe this has somethng to do with the
Chagall/Segal name. A Litkak would pronounce the names the same... I think.

Thanks, Elaine Cohen, Los Angeles


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Marc Chagall/ Litvak pronunciation #lithuania

elaine cohen <elaco@...>
 

This email is sent in reply to Judy's email about the Chagall/Segal name.
My grandfather was >from Salantai, Lithuania. When speaking English, he
could not pronounce the letter combination "sh". Instead he would sound
"s". So Fish would sound like Fis. Maybe this has somethng to do with the
Chagall/Segal name. A Litkak would pronounce the names the same... I think.

Thanks, Elaine Cohen, Los Angeles


Re: Mark Chagall #lithuania

Josie Barnett <josieb@...>
 

Chagall has cropped up in my research but through professional links with a
probable relative of mine. My paternal grandparents come from
Sharkovschinna which today is in Belarus but was then part of Vilna
Gubernia. Chagall studied with a Lazer Chidekel (my relative) who went on to become a renowned Architect in Russia. They were part of a group of Jewish Artists known as "the Lithuanian Left Bank". I also have an interneted photo of these artists. All this information I received >from one Ike Hidekel who unfortunately passed away last year. Ike and Lazer were first cousins. Sharkovschinna is 80 miles North East of Vilna.

Ike who was born in Vilna in the 1920s told me a a lot about the movement of the Jewish population in Eastern Lithuania and a lot of them moved towards Vitebsk. At the turn of the 20th century for various reasons, including hunger there was a mass movement to the cities and larger towns and for those that could, immigration to the West. I got the impression through Ike that Chagall was indeed a Landsmann of ours. I think I may have some details of Chagall's birthplace somewhere which I will forward to Judy if I find it.

Josie Barnett
Tekoa, Israel (formerly UK)
josieb@savion.huji.ac.il
RESEARCHING: CHIDEKEL - Sharkovschinna; HOLTZ or WOOD - Plonsk; LEVENE or
HANOVIC - Jonova on the border?? )


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RE: Mark Chagall #lithuania

Josie Barnett <josieb@...>
 

Chagall has cropped up in my research but through professional links with a
probable relative of mine. My paternal grandparents come from
Sharkovschinna which today is in Belarus but was then part of Vilna
Gubernia. Chagall studied with a Lazer Chidekel (my relative) who went on to become a renowned Architect in Russia. They were part of a group of Jewish Artists known as "the Lithuanian Left Bank". I also have an interneted photo of these artists. All this information I received >from one Ike Hidekel who unfortunately passed away last year. Ike and Lazer were first cousins. Sharkovschinna is 80 miles North East of Vilna.

Ike who was born in Vilna in the 1920s told me a a lot about the movement of the Jewish population in Eastern Lithuania and a lot of them moved towards Vitebsk. At the turn of the 20th century for various reasons, including hunger there was a mass movement to the cities and larger towns and for those that could, immigration to the West. I got the impression through Ike that Chagall was indeed a Landsmann of ours. I think I may have some details of Chagall's birthplace somewhere which I will forward to Judy if I find it.

Josie Barnett
Tekoa, Israel (formerly UK)
josieb@savion.huji.ac.il
RESEARCHING: CHIDEKEL - Sharkovschinna; HOLTZ or WOOD - Plonsk; LEVENE or
HANOVIC - Jonova on the border?? )


A suffix "-AS" #lithuania

adamandlopa yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am researching a JAMINAS family that emigrated to
USA >from Lithuania in about 1938. The name JAMINAS may
well have been JAMI earlier. Would the addition of a
suffix such as -NAS have been a common occurrence?

Adam Yamey, London, UK, <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania A suffix "-AS" #lithuania

adamandlopa yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am researching a JAMINAS family that emigrated to
USA >from Lithuania in about 1938. The name JAMINAS may
well have been JAMI earlier. Would the addition of a
suffix such as -NAS have been a common occurrence?

Adam Yamey, London, UK, <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Re: Wolkowisk #poland

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Carlos and group,

Volkovysk, Volkovysk uezd, Grodno gubernia, Latitude: 53 10' Longitude:
24 28' is now in Belarus

Also known as Vaukavysk, Volkovyskas, and Wolkowysk.

Check the Belarus SIG website <www.jewishgen.org/belarus> for more
information.

David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: Wolkowisk #poland

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Carlos and group,

Volkovysk, Volkovysk uezd, Grodno gubernia, Latitude: 53 10' Longitude:
24 28' is now in Belarus

Also known as Vaukavysk, Volkovyskas, and Wolkowysk.

Check the Belarus SIG website <www.jewishgen.org/belarus> for more
information.

David Fox
Mail to: davefox@jewishgen.org
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus