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Re: h-sig digest: October 23, 2004 #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Dear Mindy and all who responded to me privately.

Thank you all.

I have ordered the DC's and am awaiting their arrival.

This is an amazing forum. I had about 15-20 responses, some even offering to go down to the City records and copy the information for me.

Again, thanks to everyone

Henry Lifton

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Subject: Re: Finding Grandparents Grave
From: MGS18@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:31:00 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

Your Grandparents' death certificates will list the
cemetery where
they are buried.

If they died in any of the 5 boroughs before 1948
their actual death
certificates are on microfilm located at the
Municipal Archives, DORIS
(Dept of Records & whatchamacallit) 31 Chambers
Street room 103.

In order to locate the microfilm reel that contains
their death records
you will need to know the death year, the borough
and the certificate
number. You can obtain that information by
searching NYC death indices
which can either be searched directly at DORIS, or
at the NYPL, or they
can be ordered >from the LDS through your local
Mormon FHL. I think the
mormons also filmed the actual certificates for
certain years-not sure
which ones but their online catalog will tell you.


If your grandparents died after 1948 the death
records are at the Dept of
Health on Worth Street in lower Manhattan. Dealing
with those guys is a
nightmare and a half-and frankly you'd get better
and faster results by
actually phoning up every Jewish cemetery in Queens
(which you can at
least do >from the comfort of you home in sunny
Florida without shlepping
to NY). It isn't as tough as you think-I've done it
before. A hugely
helpful reference book for New York/NJ Jewish
cemeteries is Estelle
Guzik's "Genealogical Resources in New York".

Good luck.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, MI

My Grandparents are buried somewhere in Queens,
NY. Is there a way to find
them without calling every cemetery and asking (If
they will tell you)?

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL


Magyar Szabadsagharc es a Zsidok #hungary

Carol J. Robinson <caroljr@...>
 

I continue to look for opportunities to add information to the All
Hungary Database. Military records have the potential to provide useful
genealogical information, and I would like to publish the list of 1848
Jewish soldiers that Alex Miller so graciously created quite a few years
ago. This list was on the H-SIG website at one time, and I do have a
copy of the file. To do so, I need to confirm that there are not any
copyright issues, since I understand that a commemorative version of Dr.
Bela Bernstein's book was published in 1998. If anyone has access to
the 1998 version of this book (not the earlier versions) or has
knowledge of who published the 1998 version, could you contact me
off-line at caroljr@alamedanet.net.

Thanks for your help.

Carol Robinson
H-SIG Research Coordinator
caroljr@alamedanet.net
Alameda, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: h-sig digest: October 23, 2004 #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Dear Mindy and all who responded to me privately.

Thank you all.

I have ordered the DC's and am awaiting their arrival.

This is an amazing forum. I had about 15-20 responses, some even offering to go down to the City records and copy the information for me.

Again, thanks to everyone

Henry Lifton

----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
From: "H-SIG digest" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
To: "h-sig digest recipients"
<h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:00:07

Subject: Re: Finding Grandparents Grave
From: MGS18@aol.com
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:31:00 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

Your Grandparents' death certificates will list the
cemetery where
they are buried.

If they died in any of the 5 boroughs before 1948
their actual death
certificates are on microfilm located at the
Municipal Archives, DORIS
(Dept of Records & whatchamacallit) 31 Chambers
Street room 103.

In order to locate the microfilm reel that contains
their death records
you will need to know the death year, the borough
and the certificate
number. You can obtain that information by
searching NYC death indices
which can either be searched directly at DORIS, or
at the NYPL, or they
can be ordered >from the LDS through your local
Mormon FHL. I think the
mormons also filmed the actual certificates for
certain years-not sure
which ones but their online catalog will tell you.


If your grandparents died after 1948 the death
records are at the Dept of
Health on Worth Street in lower Manhattan. Dealing
with those guys is a
nightmare and a half-and frankly you'd get better
and faster results by
actually phoning up every Jewish cemetery in Queens
(which you can at
least do >from the comfort of you home in sunny
Florida without shlepping
to NY). It isn't as tough as you think-I've done it
before. A hugely
helpful reference book for New York/NJ Jewish
cemeteries is Estelle
Guzik's "Genealogical Resources in New York".

Good luck.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, MI

My Grandparents are buried somewhere in Queens,
NY. Is there a way to find
them without calling every cemetery and asking (If
they will tell you)?

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL


Hungary SIG #Hungary Magyar Szabadsagharc es a Zsidok #hungary

Carol J. Robinson <caroljr@...>
 

I continue to look for opportunities to add information to the All
Hungary Database. Military records have the potential to provide useful
genealogical information, and I would like to publish the list of 1848
Jewish soldiers that Alex Miller so graciously created quite a few years
ago. This list was on the H-SIG website at one time, and I do have a
copy of the file. To do so, I need to confirm that there are not any
copyright issues, since I understand that a commemorative version of Dr.
Bela Bernstein's book was published in 1998. If anyone has access to
the 1998 version of this book (not the earlier versions) or has
knowledge of who published the 1998 version, could you contact me
off-line at caroljr@alamedanet.net.

Thanks for your help.

Carol Robinson
H-SIG Research Coordinator
caroljr@alamedanet.net
Alameda, CA


Dying in Hungarian #hungary

M. Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@...>
 

Dear H-Genners,
 
In studying the 1869 census of Zemplen County, I
came across two  causes of death that do not
appear in any reference lists that I have:
 
horegot lobyaes
sveimeretes
 
Bear in mind that the handwriting is ornate and
often illegible to boot.   Maybe with a little
imagination...
Thanks!
 
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel
 
 
 
 






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Hungary SIG #Hungary Dying in Hungarian #hungary

M. Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@...>
 

Dear H-Genners,
 
In studying the 1869 census of Zemplen County, I
came across two  causes of death that do not
appear in any reference lists that I have:
 
horegot lobyaes
sveimeretes
 
Bear in mind that the handwriting is ornate and
often illegible to boot.   Maybe with a little
imagination...
Thanks!
 
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel
 
 
 
 






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place-name "Biolsk" #belarus

joyweave
 

I've run across a man who could possibly be my grandfather's brother
in the Ellis Island lists for a 1904 arrival. His birthplace is listed
as "Biolsk." I tried the shtetl finder, but there are so many
possibilities that I am overwhelmed.

Is it possible that this is Bialystok? I have no reason to think that
my grandfather's family came >from there, but I see family names similar
to his every so often in the ships lists coming >from there.

Or is there a likely place in Belarus, especially in Grodno Gubernia?

Joy Weaver,
East Islip, NY USA


POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rosenel./
BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg,
Petruskitz/ Petritzki?, Deibach.


Belarus SIG #Belarus place-name "Biolsk" #belarus

joyweave
 

I've run across a man who could possibly be my grandfather's brother
in the Ellis Island lists for a 1904 arrival. His birthplace is listed
as "Biolsk." I tried the shtetl finder, but there are so many
possibilities that I am overwhelmed.

Is it possible that this is Bialystok? I have no reason to think that
my grandfather's family came >from there, but I see family names similar
to his every so often in the ships lists coming >from there.

Or is there a likely place in Belarus, especially in Grodno Gubernia?

Joy Weaver,
East Islip, NY USA


POLAND (Krasnik, Zaklikow, Lublin): Blumberg, Fogiel, Rosenel./
BELARUS (Wisoke-Litovsk, Brest, Grodno): Feinberg, Vilner, Greenberg,
Petruskitz/ Petritzki?, Deibach.


Re: Finding Grandparents Grave #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Your Grandparents' death certificates will list the cemetery where
they are buried.

If they died in any of the 5 boroughs before 1948 their actual death
certificates are on microfilm located at the Municipal Archives, DORIS
(Dept of Records & whatchamacallit) 31 Chambers Street room 103.

In order to locate the microfilm reel that contains their death records
you will need to know the death year, the borough and the certificate
number. You can obtain that information by searching NYC death indices
which can either be searched directly at DORIS, or at the NYPL, or they
can be ordered >from the LDS through your local Mormon FHL. I think the
mormons also filmed the actual certificates for certain years-not sure
which ones but their online catalog will tell you.

If your grandparents died after 1948 the death records are at the Dept of
Health on Worth Street in lower Manhattan. Dealing with those guys is a
nightmare and a half-and frankly you'd get better and faster results by
actually phoning up every Jewish cemetery in Queens (which you can at
least do >from the comfort of you home in sunny Florida without shlepping
to NY). It isn't as tough as you think-I've done it before. A hugely
helpful reference book for New York/NJ Jewish cemeteries is Estelle
Guzik's "Genealogical Resources in New York".

Good luck.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, MI

My Grandparents are buried somewhere in Queens, NY. Is there a way to find
them without calling every cemetery and asking (If they will tell you)?

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Finding Grandparents Grave #hungary

MGS18@...
 

Your Grandparents' death certificates will list the cemetery where
they are buried.

If they died in any of the 5 boroughs before 1948 their actual death
certificates are on microfilm located at the Municipal Archives, DORIS
(Dept of Records & whatchamacallit) 31 Chambers Street room 103.

In order to locate the microfilm reel that contains their death records
you will need to know the death year, the borough and the certificate
number. You can obtain that information by searching NYC death indices
which can either be searched directly at DORIS, or at the NYPL, or they
can be ordered >from the LDS through your local Mormon FHL. I think the
mormons also filmed the actual certificates for certain years-not sure
which ones but their online catalog will tell you.

If your grandparents died after 1948 the death records are at the Dept of
Health on Worth Street in lower Manhattan. Dealing with those guys is a
nightmare and a half-and frankly you'd get better and faster results by
actually phoning up every Jewish cemetery in Queens (which you can at
least do >from the comfort of you home in sunny Florida without shlepping
to NY). It isn't as tough as you think-I've done it before. A hugely
helpful reference book for New York/NJ Jewish cemeteries is Estelle
Guzik's "Genealogical Resources in New York".

Good luck.

Mindy Soclof
Ann Arbor, MI

My Grandparents are buried somewhere in Queens, NY. Is there a way to find
them without calling every cemetery and asking (If they will tell you)?

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL


Re: The Ethics of information exchange #germany

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

Judith Berlowitz wrote :
"I just came across [a] policy statement, which I think applies to all of us who
place family information on the Internet. [Find it at:]

http://www.kislia.com/comstandsharing.html end of quotation.

I approve the contents of this website.

But the first problem is to get back information when you send some to a
correspondant, found on JGFF for instance.
I have to say that sometimes the persons I contacted promised
a lot of information and after they received mine, they didn't send anything
if they really have...because "they have no time to do it", or any other reason.

I also have to say that I had wonderful exchanges with many sympathic
Jewishgenners.

Micheline GUTMANN m.gutmann@genami.org Site GenAmi : http://www.genami.org

MODERATOR NOTE: When we share our information with other researchers I think
we always hope that our generosity will be reciprocated in some way.

Micheline points out that some of those to whom we send data may promise
to send other information in return but then fail to do so.

In this as in all exchanges, whether material or intellectual, some degree of
caution is appropriate. Those who aren't careful can later regret it. MOD1


German SIG #Germany Re: The Ethics of information exchange #germany

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

Judith Berlowitz wrote :
"I just came across [a] policy statement, which I think applies to all of us who
place family information on the Internet. [Find it at:]

http://www.kislia.com/comstandsharing.html end of quotation.

I approve the contents of this website.

But the first problem is to get back information when you send some to a
correspondant, found on JGFF for instance.
I have to say that sometimes the persons I contacted promised
a lot of information and after they received mine, they didn't send anything
if they really have...because "they have no time to do it", or any other reason.

I also have to say that I had wonderful exchanges with many sympathic
Jewishgenners.

Micheline GUTMANN m.gutmann@genami.org Site GenAmi : http://www.genami.org

MODERATOR NOTE: When we share our information with other researchers I think
we always hope that our generosity will be reciprocated in some way.

Micheline points out that some of those to whom we send data may promise
to send other information in return but then fail to do so.

In this as in all exchanges, whether material or intellectual, some degree of
caution is appropriate. Those who aren't careful can later regret it. MOD1


Seeking MORGENTHAU: Coburg #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

One of my mother's distant cousins (Frieda, née BACHMANN) was married toDr. Ludwig MORGENTHAU (married 1903,died in New York, 1948), a medical
practitioner in Coberg (Upper Franconia).

His father was Rabbi Moritz MORGENTHAU. According to Christoph Frei, biographer
of the most famous member of the family and Ludwig's son, Hans Joachim
MORGENTHAU (the renowned scholar of International Relations, the Morgenthau family
had lived in Upper Franconia for centuries.

I am particularly interested in the ancestry of Moritz MORGENTHAU.

Can anyone help me obtain more information about this MORGENTHAU family, which is
probably distinct >from that of Henry MORGENTHAU, sometime secretary to the US
Treasury. Thanks!

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany Seeking MORGENTHAU: Coburg #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

One of my mother's distant cousins (Frieda, née BACHMANN) was married toDr. Ludwig MORGENTHAU (married 1903,died in New York, 1948), a medical
practitioner in Coberg (Upper Franconia).

His father was Rabbi Moritz MORGENTHAU. According to Christoph Frei, biographer
of the most famous member of the family and Ludwig's son, Hans Joachim
MORGENTHAU (the renowned scholar of International Relations, the Morgenthau family
had lived in Upper Franconia for centuries.

I am particularly interested in the ancestry of Moritz MORGENTHAU.

Can anyone help me obtain more information about this MORGENTHAU family, which is
probably distinct >from that of Henry MORGENTHAU, sometime secretary to the US
Treasury. Thanks!

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Questions Re: Breslau website #germany

Carol Baird <sbaird@...>
 

The following refers to Peter Lande's October 23 SITE CITE quoted below.

The Breslau website is easy to access, but how do you search the 1809
resident list or City Directory when it asks you to put in information that
you are looking for? If I pressed "LOS", it kept telling me that I made an
error or had incomplete information. Of course, I did. The questionnaire
wants to know what district I want and what profession my ancestor was in,
but that's what I want to find out! You obviously cannot do a surname
search or can you? Peter, can you clarify please?

Carol Davidson Baird Solana Beach, CA

Peter Lande Washington, D.C. <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:
Researchers interested in Breslau / Wroclaw information may wish to look at:
http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/history/jfhn


German SIG #Germany Questions Re: Breslau website #germany

Carol Baird <sbaird@...>
 

The following refers to Peter Lande's October 23 SITE CITE quoted below.

The Breslau website is easy to access, but how do you search the 1809
resident list or City Directory when it asks you to put in information that
you are looking for? If I pressed "LOS", it kept telling me that I made an
error or had incomplete information. Of course, I did. The questionnaire
wants to know what district I want and what profession my ancestor was in,
but that's what I want to find out! You obviously cannot do a surname
search or can you? Peter, can you clarify please?

Carol Davidson Baird Solana Beach, CA

Peter Lande Washington, D.C. <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:
Researchers interested in Breslau / Wroclaw information may wish to look at:
http://www.breslau-wroclaw.de/de/breslau/history/jfhn


Sosnovy Bor #lithuania

Ted Ashkenazy <tia@...>
 

Looking for people (>from Kovno) who were in Sosnovy Bor in ca 1942.

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@vdn.ca

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Sosnovy Bor #lithuania

Ted Ashkenazy <tia@...>
 

Looking for people (>from Kovno) who were in Sosnovy Bor in ca 1942.

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@vdn.ca

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


FRENKELs of Poland #poland

shop@...
 

Has anyone attempted to build a tree of the various FRENKELs listed in the
JRI-Poland records? I have found it suggested elsewhere that these are mostly
descendants of the TEOMIM-FRANKELs of Prague (and the HURWITZes of Prague) and
there seems to be some interest (including myself) in determining the exact
connection between the latter and the FRENKELs of Ukraine. Olivier
Giroud-Fliegner suggests they moved into Poland and were trapped there when
Poland was partitioned by, among others, the Russians.

Steve FRANKLIN (FRENKEL)
Baltimore
www.LordBalto.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland FRENKELs of Poland #poland

shop@...
 

Has anyone attempted to build a tree of the various FRENKELs listed in the
JRI-Poland records? I have found it suggested elsewhere that these are mostly
descendants of the TEOMIM-FRANKELs of Prague (and the HURWITZes of Prague) and
there seems to be some interest (including myself) in determining the exact
connection between the latter and the FRENKELs of Ukraine. Olivier
Giroud-Fliegner suggests they moved into Poland and were trapped there when
Poland was partitioned by, among others, the Russians.

Steve FRANKLIN (FRENKEL)
Baltimore
www.LordBalto.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.