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Re: United States Adoption Resources #general

Barbara Niederhoff <iamthewind@...>
 

Last night, my friend's husband revealed that his
father, b. 1915 d. 1980, had been adopted shortly
after birth. The grandparents, residing in NYC
[possibly Queens] could not afford this [2nd] child.
There was an alleged older brother. This [2nd] child
was adopted by a family in West Virginia.
[...]
Weren't birth certificates altered to show the adopted
parents as the "real" parents?
Not in 1915. Most birth certificates and adoption records in the US
remained unsealed and unchanged until the 1930s and 1940s. New York and
West Virginia did not seal records until that time.

Somehow this NYC birth certificate shows the natural
parents names, which were very common Jewish names.
I think the biggest hurdle will be these common names. But he does have
them, and I would echo your own advice to continue the research as any
other genealogist would. City directories and censuses are excellent
starting points and easily available through public archives and LDS
Family History Centers. I'd be especially interested in the 1915 NY
State Census, because both parents and the alleged older brother ought to
be listed.

In addition, adoption records (if there were any) *should* be available,
since they would not have been sealed and should not have been affected
by subsequent laws. But I have no expertise on where to look for them;
perhaps someone else can help with that. If found, the birth parents'
1915 address *may* be there, which could be helpful if census & other
sources show more than one couple with the same names.

If all parties are deceased, are the records still
sealed?
This doesn't apply to your friend's husband, since the 1915 records
shouldn't have been sealed in the first place. However, for people whose
records were indeed sealed, death has no effect on availability. I am
not aware of any state in which sealed adoption records would
automatically be unsealed if proof of the parties' deaths were provided.
In theory, it's possible that a court order could be obtained.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO


Unknown word "Joss." on death ceriticate #general

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I recently received a copy of my great great uncle's death certificate
and am puzzled by a word (or abbreviation) that appears twice. The
letters "Joss." appear in the space where the name of the wife should
appear and also in the space for the name of the father. Because the
informant was my great great uncle's stepson, I am certain that he knew
the name of his stepfather's wife, as that would be his mother. It is
understandable that he did not know the name of his stepfather's father.

Can anyone tell me if this is an abbreviation in Czech or German or has
some other meaning that I don't know.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: United States Adoption Resources #general

Barbara Niederhoff <iamthewind@...>
 

Last night, my friend's husband revealed that his
father, b. 1915 d. 1980, had been adopted shortly
after birth. The grandparents, residing in NYC
[possibly Queens] could not afford this [2nd] child.
There was an alleged older brother. This [2nd] child
was adopted by a family in West Virginia.
[...]
Weren't birth certificates altered to show the adopted
parents as the "real" parents?
Not in 1915. Most birth certificates and adoption records in the US
remained unsealed and unchanged until the 1930s and 1940s. New York and
West Virginia did not seal records until that time.

Somehow this NYC birth certificate shows the natural
parents names, which were very common Jewish names.
I think the biggest hurdle will be these common names. But he does have
them, and I would echo your own advice to continue the research as any
other genealogist would. City directories and censuses are excellent
starting points and easily available through public archives and LDS
Family History Centers. I'd be especially interested in the 1915 NY
State Census, because both parents and the alleged older brother ought to
be listed.

In addition, adoption records (if there were any) *should* be available,
since they would not have been sealed and should not have been affected
by subsequent laws. But I have no expertise on where to look for them;
perhaps someone else can help with that. If found, the birth parents'
1915 address *may* be there, which could be helpful if census & other
sources show more than one couple with the same names.

If all parties are deceased, are the records still
sealed?
This doesn't apply to your friend's husband, since the 1915 records
shouldn't have been sealed in the first place. However, for people whose
records were indeed sealed, death has no effect on availability. I am
not aware of any state in which sealed adoption records would
automatically be unsealed if proof of the parties' deaths were provided.
In theory, it's possible that a court order could be obtained.

Barbara Niederhoff
Centennial CO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unknown word "Joss." on death ceriticate #general

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I recently received a copy of my great great uncle's death certificate
and am puzzled by a word (or abbreviation) that appears twice. The
letters "Joss." appear in the space where the name of the wife should
appear and also in the space for the name of the father. Because the
informant was my great great uncle's stepson, I am certain that he knew
the name of his stepfather's wife, as that would be his mother. It is
understandable that he did not know the name of his stepfather's father.

Can anyone tell me if this is an abbreviation in Czech or German or has
some other meaning that I don't know.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL


Re: Galician Birth Records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

Hazel:

You first need to know that the house number recorded in a birth record
is the actual place of birth. This could be the house of a relative, the
house of the midwife, a hospital or a clinic. If you do find that many
births within a family appear in one house, especially if the births
are children of siblings, then you should assume that they are the same
family. However, your assumption still needs to be proved. Finding
other records of your family (both birth and death records usually
identify the House number, but marriage records do not) can help confirm
your assumptions.

I think that many house numbers included multiple units (apartments)
in that building. Also, as I stated before, the place of birth could be
the midwife's residence or some medical clinic. Without other evidence,
I do not think you can assume that two families having children in the
same house number are related.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
I have some questions regarding interpretation of Galician Birth
records in chart form. If one finds a birth to parents where the
given names as well as surnames are the same as other
registrations, and the house number is the same, could one assume
that both births are in the same family unit?

If another family having the same surname has the same house
number, can one assume that both families are related?

I've found some births to my Haber line on JRI-Poland and some of
my dear cousins can't be convinced that they belong to our
family. I hope that I've been clear enough for a response.
Thanks in advance for your efforts.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Galician Birth Records #poland

Mark Halpern
 

Hazel:

You first need to know that the house number recorded in a birth record
is the actual place of birth. This could be the house of a relative, the
house of the midwife, a hospital or a clinic. If you do find that many
births within a family appear in one house, especially if the births
are children of siblings, then you should assume that they are the same
family. However, your assumption still needs to be proved. Finding
other records of your family (both birth and death records usually
identify the House number, but marriage records do not) can help confirm
your assumptions.

I think that many house numbers included multiple units (apartments)
in that building. Also, as I stated before, the place of birth could be
the midwife's residence or some medical clinic. Without other evidence,
I do not think you can assume that two families having children in the
same house number are related.

Mark Halpern
AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
I have some questions regarding interpretation of Galician Birth
records in chart form. If one finds a birth to parents where the
given names as well as surnames are the same as other
registrations, and the house number is the same, could one assume
that both births are in the same family unit?

If another family having the same surname has the same house
number, can one assume that both families are related?

I've found some births to my Haber line on JRI-Poland and some of
my dear cousins can't be convinced that they belong to our
family. I hope that I've been clear enough for a response.
Thanks in advance for your efforts.

Hazel Sandow Boon
Hamilton, ON, Canada


antecedents of Sophie KUPFER: December 26, 2004 #general

Andrew I. Sverdlove <asverdlove@...>
 

A search of the 1880 United States Federal Census >from Manhattan, New
York, New York found Henry, 40; Mary 36, Florence, 16; Sophia, 14;
Lilly, 12; Grace, 7; Walter, 5; Elsie, 3; Henry is a Merchant. The
family lived at 161 East 116th Street, (Manhattan), New York, New York.
Henry was born in Berne, Switzerland. Mary, Florence, Sophia, Lily were
born in Ohio. Grace and Elsie in New York and Walter in Berne. There
should be passenger ship papers for the family returning to New York
after 1875.

Henry KUPFER: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York (Manhattan), New York
City-Greater, New York; Roll: T9_898; Family History Film: 1254898;
Page: 550D; Enumeration District: 638; Image: 0461.

For the 1870 Census:
A search in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio for 1870 Census found
Jules KUPFER, 32-years-old, born in Switzerland and Mary KUPFER,
25-years-old, born in France, his wife. Jules was a watch case maker.
But no children. This cannot be the couple. Maybe relative.

But a search in New York found them! (name was misspelled Kapfer in index)
Census >from New York City, New York Ward 22 District 9. Henry, 32,
imports woolens, born in Bavaria / Bayern. Mary, 27, born in City
[sic]; Alice, 7, born in Cincinnati [in index it was recorded as
Connecticut]; Florence, 6, born in Cincinnati; Sophia, 4, born in
Cincinnati; Lilly, 2, born in Cincinnati


Subject: KUPFER, Cincinnati, Ohio
From: martha <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:06:06 +0200
X-Message-Number: 6

I was wondering if anyone could help with the antecedents of Sophie
KUPFER. She was born in Cincinatti, Ohio in Feb. 1866. She died young
at the age of 40. She was married in New York City in 1892 to Albert
M. KOHN. I know her descendents, but not her parents.

Many thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen antecedents of Sophie KUPFER: December 26, 2004 #general

Andrew I. Sverdlove <asverdlove@...>
 

A search of the 1880 United States Federal Census >from Manhattan, New
York, New York found Henry, 40; Mary 36, Florence, 16; Sophia, 14;
Lilly, 12; Grace, 7; Walter, 5; Elsie, 3; Henry is a Merchant. The
family lived at 161 East 116th Street, (Manhattan), New York, New York.
Henry was born in Berne, Switzerland. Mary, Florence, Sophia, Lily were
born in Ohio. Grace and Elsie in New York and Walter in Berne. There
should be passenger ship papers for the family returning to New York
after 1875.

Henry KUPFER: Year: 1880; Census Place: New York (Manhattan), New York
City-Greater, New York; Roll: T9_898; Family History Film: 1254898;
Page: 550D; Enumeration District: 638; Image: 0461.

For the 1870 Census:
A search in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio for 1870 Census found
Jules KUPFER, 32-years-old, born in Switzerland and Mary KUPFER,
25-years-old, born in France, his wife. Jules was a watch case maker.
But no children. This cannot be the couple. Maybe relative.

But a search in New York found them! (name was misspelled Kapfer in index)
Census >from New York City, New York Ward 22 District 9. Henry, 32,
imports woolens, born in Bavaria / Bayern. Mary, 27, born in City
[sic]; Alice, 7, born in Cincinnati [in index it was recorded as
Connecticut]; Florence, 6, born in Cincinnati; Sophia, 4, born in
Cincinnati; Lilly, 2, born in Cincinnati


Subject: KUPFER, Cincinnati, Ohio
From: martha <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:06:06 +0200
X-Message-Number: 6

I was wondering if anyone could help with the antecedents of Sophie
KUPFER. She was born in Cincinatti, Ohio in Feb. 1866. She died young
at the age of 40. She was married in New York City in 1892 to Albert
M. KOHN. I know her descendents, but not her parents.

Many thanks in advance for any help you can give!

Martha Lev-Zion
IGS-Negev


Re: Barney Stein #general

adam teitelbaum
 

The Illinois death index

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html

returns the following info for Barney Stein:

STEIN BARNEY Male/White
Certificate # 0020332 died 1943-07-11 county: COOK
city: CHICAGO

There are also a few listings for Bernard Stein , you
may want to check them out.

You can get a copy of the death certificate >from the
Cook County Clerk that may give you more info.

Adam Teitelbaum

seeking
SERZANTOWICZ, SZERZANTOWICZ, SIERZANTOWICZ, Lowicz,
Warszawa, Lodz
WOLMAN, KOBRINER, Warszawa
FOLMAN, Warszawa, Melbourne
TEITELBAUM, TEJTELBAUM, Goworowo, Ostroleka
ENGEL, Goworowo


Subject: Barney STEIN, Chicago
From: Adam Block <abblock1@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:00:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

I am looking for information about Barney Stein. He married my
mother's grandmother, Stephanie Gross around 1917-1918 in Chicago,
Ill. I know basically nothing about him or his family, as no one
spoke about him.

According to the 1920 census, he was >from Russia. Exactly when he
came to the US, I don't know.

Any information would be greatly welcome.

Thank you.

Adam Block


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Barney Stein #general

adam teitelbaum
 

The Illinois death index

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html

returns the following info for Barney Stein:

STEIN BARNEY Male/White
Certificate # 0020332 died 1943-07-11 county: COOK
city: CHICAGO

There are also a few listings for Bernard Stein , you
may want to check them out.

You can get a copy of the death certificate >from the
Cook County Clerk that may give you more info.

Adam Teitelbaum

seeking
SERZANTOWICZ, SZERZANTOWICZ, SIERZANTOWICZ, Lowicz,
Warszawa, Lodz
WOLMAN, KOBRINER, Warszawa
FOLMAN, Warszawa, Melbourne
TEITELBAUM, TEJTELBAUM, Goworowo, Ostroleka
ENGEL, Goworowo


Subject: Barney STEIN, Chicago
From: Adam Block <abblock1@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:00:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

I am looking for information about Barney Stein. He married my
mother's grandmother, Stephanie Gross around 1917-1918 in Chicago,
Ill. I know basically nothing about him or his family, as no one
spoke about him.

According to the 1920 census, he was >from Russia. Exactly when he
came to the US, I don't know.

Any information would be greatly welcome.

Thank you.

Adam Block


Re: Sobel Feminine Given Name #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hello Susan,

Sobel- Feminine Given Name- is listed on Shmuel Gorr's book: Jewish Personal
Names. Avotaynu,1992.

According to it, Sobel derives >from the Aramaic noun Sabta that means
"grandmother" or "old woman".

Its derivations are:
Sabatka
Sabatke
Sabatki
Soba
Sob'l
Sobel.
For this last derivation, Gorr adds that Sobel is probably the origin of
the surname SOBEL. Although SOBEL (the surname) can also derive >from the
German word "sable" for fur, denoting a dealer in furs.

Shalom,

Mathilde Tagger
The Israel Genealogical Society
Jerusalem Branch for Hebrew and English Speakers
Visit: www.isragen.org.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sobel Feminine Given Name #general

Mathilde Tagger <tagger@...>
 

Hello Susan,

Sobel- Feminine Given Name- is listed on Shmuel Gorr's book: Jewish Personal
Names. Avotaynu,1992.

According to it, Sobel derives >from the Aramaic noun Sabta that means
"grandmother" or "old woman".

Its derivations are:
Sabatka
Sabatke
Sabatki
Soba
Sob'l
Sobel.
For this last derivation, Gorr adds that Sobel is probably the origin of
the surname SOBEL. Although SOBEL (the surname) can also derive >from the
German word "sable" for fur, denoting a dealer in furs.

Shalom,

Mathilde Tagger
The Israel Genealogical Society
Jerusalem Branch for Hebrew and English Speakers
Visit: www.isragen.org.il


Re: Help in Australia, Please #general

Deborah Wiener <debw@...>
 

the melbourne burial society melbourne Chevra kadisha I think has
a website, Try them and you might get some information

Subject: Help in Australia, Please
From: "Scooby Doo" <scoobydoouk@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:05:53 +0000
Dear Fellow Genners,

I am trying to find out if there is an online data-base for Jewish burials
in Melbourne & Sydney, Australia. If not, I welcome all suggestions as how I
can track down graves and obtain information contained on tombstones of
family members who died there. If I was able to get hold of contact details
of Jewish Burial Grounds in Sydney & Melbourne, that too would be of great
help.

Many thanks
Dr Joel Levy (London, UK)


To Robert Alexander Dupuis re:email #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

Robert,
My reply to your email bounced though I used the "reply" button. I have
tried the suggestions >from the moderators to no avail. Please respond
with a current and active email address.
Regarding KANTERWITCH.
Dorothy Kohanski dkohanski@fea.net
Laguna Woods, CA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Help in Australia, Please #general

Deborah Wiener <debw@...>
 

the melbourne burial society melbourne Chevra kadisha I think has
a website, Try them and you might get some information

Subject: Help in Australia, Please
From: "Scooby Doo" <scoobydoouk@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 02:05:53 +0000
Dear Fellow Genners,

I am trying to find out if there is an online data-base for Jewish burials
in Melbourne & Sydney, Australia. If not, I welcome all suggestions as how I
can track down graves and obtain information contained on tombstones of
family members who died there. If I was able to get hold of contact details
of Jewish Burial Grounds in Sydney & Melbourne, that too would be of great
help.

Many thanks
Dr Joel Levy (London, UK)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen To Robert Alexander Dupuis re:email #general

Dorothy Kohanski <dkohanski@...>
 

Robert,
My reply to your email bounced though I used the "reply" button. I have
tried the suggestions >from the moderators to no avail. Please respond
with a current and active email address.
Regarding KANTERWITCH.
Dorothy Kohanski dkohanski@fea.net
Laguna Woods, CA, USA


Re: Help in Australia, Please #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

At 09:35 PM 28/12/2004, you wrote:

Joel

Can I suggest you join and ask on the mailing list for Australian Jewish
genealogy. It's the Forum item on the menu at www.ajgs.org.au

Gary

===

Dear Fellow Genners,

I am trying to find out if there is an online data-base for Jewish burials
in Melbourne & Sydney, Australia. If not, I welcome all suggestions as how I
can track down graves and obtain information contained on tombstones of
family members who died there. If I was able to get hold of contact details
of Jewish Burial Grounds in Sydney & Melbourne, that too would be of great
help.

Many thanks
Dr Joel Levy (London, UK)
___
Gary Luke ~ feraltek@zeta.org.au
Sydney, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help in Australia, Please #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

At 09:35 PM 28/12/2004, you wrote:

Joel

Can I suggest you join and ask on the mailing list for Australian Jewish
genealogy. It's the Forum item on the menu at www.ajgs.org.au

Gary

===

Dear Fellow Genners,

I am trying to find out if there is an online data-base for Jewish burials
in Melbourne & Sydney, Australia. If not, I welcome all suggestions as how I
can track down graves and obtain information contained on tombstones of
family members who died there. If I was able to get hold of contact details
of Jewish Burial Grounds in Sydney & Melbourne, that too would be of great
help.

Many thanks
Dr Joel Levy (London, UK)
___
Gary Luke ~ feraltek@zeta.org.au
Sydney, Australia


Australian Cemeteries #general

Frances Kenney <fkenney@...>
 

Hi All,

I saw a query about Australian cemeteries and have replied directly
but for anybody looking for burials in Australia, this site may be of help.
Note It does not cover all cemeteries but a large number of them.

Some cemeteries are online, some have a look up service and some
simply an address where you are able to write for more information - I hope
it helps some of you to locate your families.

http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/

Frances Kenney
Taree NSW


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Australian Cemeteries #general

Frances Kenney <fkenney@...>
 

Hi All,

I saw a query about Australian cemeteries and have replied directly
but for anybody looking for burials in Australia, this site may be of help.
Note It does not cover all cemeteries but a large number of them.

Some cemeteries are online, some have a look up service and some
simply an address where you are able to write for more information - I hope
it helps some of you to locate your families.

http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeteries/

Frances Kenney
Taree NSW