According to the LitvakSIG FAQ :

“Most Candle tax payers lists state the name of the taxpayer, his
father's name, his category, the number of males and females in
the household but not their names, and the amount of tax paid.”

Question 1: would the number of people in a family INCLUDE the
main person listed on the tax list (i.e. under Ploni the son of
Almoni is the comment “2 in family”, would this be say Ploni and his
wife, or Ploni his wife and 1 child?)

Question 2: on these lists is a relative named Abram ben Aron GLEZER.
According to the Given Names Database, Orel is a Yiddish nickname for Aron.
For the Shtetle of Lygumai in the year 1892 there is a listing for the Box
Taxpayers Abram ben *Aron*, and for the Rabbi Electors Abram ben *Orel*.
Abram ben Orel (or Arel) appears 4 times (once on a revision list and this
same Rabbi Electors list have the exact year of birth so it must be the
same person), and Abram ben Aron appears just once.

I’m fairly certain that these all refer to the same person. Was there
any procedure for giving the clerk to write down the name as a Yiddish
Kinuy on one list yet to write down the official Hebrew name on another
list?

Thank you,

Malkiel Glasser

Researching:
GLASSER, GLEZER, GLESER: Lygumai, Lithuania --> N.Y., U.S.A. and Israel
YELLEN, JALON, JALUN, RUBIN, RYBIN: Ostrow Mazowiecka,
Brok, Poland --> U.S.A.
PIONTNICA, PONTENITZA: Ostrow Mazowiecka, Poland-->U.S.A.
PARNAFES (STEIN), PARNESS, CLAR: Darabani,Romania-->Pittsburgh, U.S.A.,
Montreal and Israel
GREENBERG, KAISERMAN, GORDON, LAZEBNIK: Kiyev, Ukraine--> Pittsburgh,U.S.A.

According to the LitvakSIG FAQ :

“Most Candle tax payers lists state the name of the taxpayer, his
father's name, his category, the number of males and females in
the household but not their names, and the amount of tax paid.”

Question 1: would the number of people in a family INCLUDE the
main person listed on the tax list (i.e. under Ploni the son of
Almoni is the comment “2 in family”, would this be say Ploni and his
wife, or Ploni his wife and 1 child?)

Question 2: on these lists is a relative named Abram ben Aron GLEZER.
According to the Given Names Database, Orel is a Yiddish nickname for Aron.
For the Shtetle of Lygumai in the year 1892 there is a listing for the Box
Taxpayers Abram ben *Aron*, and for the Rabbi Electors Abram ben *Orel*.
Abram ben Orel (or Arel) appears 4 times (once on a revision list and this
same Rabbi Electors list have the exact year of birth so it must be the
same person), and Abram ben Aron appears just once.

I’m fairly certain that these all refer to the same person. Was there
any procedure for giving the clerk to write down the name as a Yiddish
Kinuy on one list yet to write down the official Hebrew name on another
list?

Thank you,

Malkiel Glasser

Researching:
GLASSER, GLEZER, GLESER: Lygumai, Lithuania --> N.Y., U.S.A. and Israel
YELLEN, JALON, JALUN, RUBIN, RYBIN: Ostrow Mazowiecka,
Brok, Poland --> U.S.A.
PIONTNICA, PONTENITZA: Ostrow Mazowiecka, Poland-->U.S.A.
PARNAFES (STEIN), PARNESS, CLAR: Darabani,Romania-->Pittsburgh, U.S.A.,
Montreal and Israel
GREENBERG, KAISERMAN, GORDON, LAZEBNIK: Kiyev, Ukraine--> Pittsburgh,U.S.A.

Dear Ron and JRIers,

The dates at the end appear to be the Banns, i.e. the
custom of announcements for a proscribed time in
advance that the marriage would take place between
Shmu'el and Miriam.

Hope this clears things up. I thnk the [priest] line
is more confusing.

Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA
------------------------------------------
Subject: REICHENBACH: a question about the marriage
certifcate
From: Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:15:08 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 1

I found the marriage certificate of my g-grandfather,
Shmu'el REICHENBACH >from Siedlce/Shadlitz to his wife
Miriam RAIZMAN. See translation below.

I do not understand the end the marriage certificate,
lines 14 through 18 of and thus, I am not sure what
date they really got married. Any clues?

Ron HERRMAANN, Bedminster, NJ, USA
Researching: REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN, RAIZMAN,
SZPEKTOR/SPECTOR, SONSHEIN/SONNENSHEIN, GELBFISH

Dear Ron and JRIers,

The dates at the end appear to be the Banns, i.e. the
custom of announcements for a proscribed time in
advance that the marriage would take place between
Shmu'el and Miriam.

Hope this clears things up. I thnk the [priest] line
is more confusing.

Shellie Wiener
San Francisco, CA
------------------------------------------
Subject: REICHENBACH: a question about the marriage
certifcate
From: Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 05:15:08 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 1

I found the marriage certificate of my g-grandfather,
Shmu'el REICHENBACH >from Siedlce/Shadlitz to his wife
Miriam RAIZMAN. See translation below.

I do not understand the end the marriage certificate,
lines 14 through 18 of and thus, I am not sure what
date they really got married. Any clues?

Ron HERRMAANN, Bedminster, NJ, USA
Researching: REICHENBACH, ROGOWYKAMIEN, RAIZMAN,
SZPEKTOR/SPECTOR, SONSHEIN/SONNENSHEIN, GELBFISH

MAZELTOV!!
ICH KVELL!

Now I'll gather up my photos, etc. and submit them!

G-d bless all who helped!

B'shalom,
Susan Pearlman
Nee Szejna-Dwera Szejnman-Koslovsky, in Bialystok.

MAZELTOV!!
ICH KVELL!

Now I'll gather up my photos, etc. and submit them!

G-d bless all who helped!

B'shalom,
Susan Pearlman
Nee Szejna-Dwera Szejnman-Koslovsky, in Bialystok.

I had hired a local researcher in Moldova, and he mentioned that he had
looked a "Bible and metric Books of Rashkov (High Rashkov and Low Rashkov)
for the period of 1850-1883"

Any idea how to get these records?

Please reply privately.

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL

beccamd@ix.netcom.com

I had hired a local researcher in Moldova, and he mentioned that he had
looked a "Bible and metric Books of Rashkov (High Rashkov and Low Rashkov)
for the period of 1850-1883"

Any idea how to get these records?

Please reply privately.

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL

beccamd@ix.netcom.com

I had hired a local researcher in Moldova, and he mentioned that he had
looked a "Bible and metric Books of Rashkov (High Rashkov and Low Rashkov)
for the period of 1850-1883"

Any idea how to get these records?

Please reply privately.

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL

beccamd@ix.netcom.com

I had hired a local researcher in Moldova, and he mentioned that he had
looked a "Bible and metric Books of Rashkov (High Rashkov and Low Rashkov)
for the period of 1850-1883"

Any idea how to get these records?

Please reply privately.

Rebecca Gerber
Glenview, IL

beccamd@ix.netcom.com

Dear Friends,

I have written to this list before concerning our family mystery. I
think that we are now close to resolving it. To review, a couple of
years ago, I posted on H-SIG that I was looking for any information
that could be obtained on the SCHWARTZ or SHMULEVITZ families from
Scranton; in particular, I was looking for information on Morris
SCHWARTZ, known to family as “Mosie”, who had married his first cousin
Eva FRIEDMAN, and moved to Boston to join her family’s business, New
England Stationery Company.

I received a post >from Douglas COHEN, who told me that he didn’t know
anybody >from Scranton, but that he knew who Eva FRIEDMAN was, and where
she fit into his family. Doug is the great grandson of Samuel SCHWARTZ,
(Shmuel ben Yitzchak) originally >from Michalovce (Eastern Slovakia), and
whose family settled in Boston. Samuel had a brother Elias or Eddy as he
was called, and a sister Sarah, who was the mother of Eva FRIEDMAN. We
figured out that since Eva and Mosie were first cousins, Mosie's father,
Josef SCHWARTZ (my great-grandfather) would have to be a fourth sibling,
and we were both pretty pleased with what we had figured out.

Now, I knew that my GGF, Josef SCHWARTZ, >from Scranton, Pa.( the father
of my grandmother, Rose SCHWARTZ FRISCHMAN and Mosie, her brother) had
moved to Palestine in the early 1920s to spend his last few years there,
and that he was buried on Har Hazeitim (the mount of Olives). When I
traveled to Israel this past summer I specifically wanted to find my GGF's
matzeiva. Now since, as I mentioned, we knew that Eva's grandfather's
name was Yitzchok SCHWARTZ, we expected his matzeiva to read “Yosef ben
Yitchak” - but instead the inscription instead read “Yosef ben Boruch”!

Our assumption at this point was that Yitzchok and Boruch were brothers.
But we realized that there was a problem with that hypothesis: My
father's sister, Thelma (Toba) was born the same year that Toba
SCHWARTZ(Yitzchok's wife) passed away, 1913. Though theoretically
possible, It was still unlikely that my grandfather, a"h would have
named his daughter after his great uncle's wife, not even mishpocho.

It was also suggested that perhaps Yitzchok and Boruch were the same
person, but that clearly was not the case as there are records with
Kollel Shomrei Hachomos clearly showing his name and his father's name.

Parenthetically, two other points to consider were that my
grandparent's marriage was arranged by my two sets of great-grandparents,
Joe and Resi SCHWARTZ and Shimshon Shmiel and Miriam FRISCHMAN, and that
they two, the FRISCHMAN's and SCHWARTZ 's might *also* have been cousins.
The FRISCHMAN's were >from Beregszasz, not all that far >from Michalovce,
settled in NYC (Shimshon Shmiel had a Deli on Ave C in the lower east
side) and were always close with the SCHWARTZ's who settled in Scranton,
around the turn of the last century, and second, my father remembers
receiving letters >from Romania until theWWII. When he asked his parents
who they were from, he was told, ">from cousins"- but were they FRISCHMAN
cousins or SCHWARTZ cousins?

One other important piece to the puzzle came >from conversations that my
sister Hope had with the late Rae WEBER about 10 years ago. Rae was
the daughter of Max WEBER and Raisie SHMULEVITZ WEBER. My father
remembers clearly that Raisie was the first cousin of his mother, so
Rae, her daughter who passed away in 2002 at the age of 101, certainly
would be a valuable source for family lore. Anyway, Rae mentioned that
family legend had it that originally at least three SHMULEVITZ brothers
came over and settled in Scranton in the 1880s. Because they each had
stores on the same block, they were afraid that the public would view
them as a monopoly, and so at least one of them, my great grandfather,
took the name SCHWARTZ, so as to give the appearance of competition.
Why SCHWARTZ, specifically?

Here provs go to Doug then came up with the following hypothesis:

In 1880, back in Slovakia, Josef SHMULEVITZ married his cousin Resi
SCHWARTZ. They later moved to the US and settled in Scranton. For
business purposes, Josef decided to change his name, and selected his
wife's maiden name, SCHWARTZ. But it was Resi, not Josef, who was a
sibling of the Boston SWARTZes.

This would explain the naming of Thelma for Toba. We are presently
trying to find Resi's matzevah or death certificate. This would acertain
who her parents were. We are also trying to find Rae's birth certificate
and her mother Raisy's matzeva to determine her maiden name and if her
matzeva says Raizel bas Baruch. Hypothetically, Josef could have had a
sister and a wife named Raisy. And what of SCHWARTZ? Maybe, Josef's
wife's maiden name was indeed Resy SCHWARTZ, in which case the hypothesis
would still be valid.

Another point: because we know that Resi SHMULEVITZ was my father's
mother (Rose SCHWARTZ FRISCHMAN)'s first cousin, there are two
possibilites: either Raisy SHMULEVITZ's mother was Joe SCHWARTZ's sister,
or her father was Joe SCHWARTZ's brother. (It would not have been
likely for her mother to have been Resi SCHWARTZ's sister, because then
they would have had the same first name, and likewise, her father could
not have been Resi SCHWARTZ's brother for the same reason.), right?

What will be revealing will be the matzeva: Does it show her has Resi
bas Baruch (therefore Joe's sister) or Resi bas Yitzchok (and therefore a
SCHWARTZ married a SHMULEVITZ), or some other father which would mean
that Joe's sister's husband was neither SCHWARTZ nor SHMULEVITZ.

One last note: There were a number of SCHWARTZes that appeared on the
1900, 1910 and 1920 censi, and living on the same block, or even the same
address as Josef SCHWARTZ. Were they Resi's brothers? And if so, can it
be established that their matzevas show that they were ...ben Yitzchok?

In summary, we are now *very* close to figuring out much of what went on
100 or so years ago, and what the connection between the SCHWARTZ's and
the SHMULEVITZ's was. We know that there are quite a few in the Scranton
area with those last names. Can anyone add information to clarify what
we surmise or determine if there were other siblings? A key would be to
find a relative born in the 2nd half of the 19th century with the last
name of SCHWARTZ or SHMULEVITZ whose matzeva would read....Ben Baruch
or .....Ben Yitzchok.

Of course, the real topper would be to make a connection to Europe, but
thus far we have not been successful.


Thank you for your thoughtful consideration,

Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

Dear Friends,

I have written to this list before concerning our family mystery. I
think that we are now close to resolving it. To review, a couple of
years ago, I posted on H-SIG that I was looking for any information
that could be obtained on the SCHWARTZ or SHMULEVITZ families from
Scranton; in particular, I was looking for information on Morris
SCHWARTZ, known to family as “Mosie”, who had married his first cousin
Eva FRIEDMAN, and moved to Boston to join her family’s business, New
England Stationery Company.

I received a post >from Douglas COHEN, who told me that he didn’t know
anybody >from Scranton, but that he knew who Eva FRIEDMAN was, and where
she fit into his family. Doug is the great grandson of Samuel SCHWARTZ,
(Shmuel ben Yitzchak) originally >from Michalovce (Eastern Slovakia), and
whose family settled in Boston. Samuel had a brother Elias or Eddy as he
was called, and a sister Sarah, who was the mother of Eva FRIEDMAN. We
figured out that since Eva and Mosie were first cousins, Mosie's father,
Josef SCHWARTZ (my great-grandfather) would have to be a fourth sibling,
and we were both pretty pleased with what we had figured out.

Now, I knew that my GGF, Josef SCHWARTZ, >from Scranton, Pa.( the father
of my grandmother, Rose SCHWARTZ FRISCHMAN and Mosie, her brother) had
moved to Palestine in the early 1920s to spend his last few years there,
and that he was buried on Har Hazeitim (the mount of Olives). When I
traveled to Israel this past summer I specifically wanted to find my GGF's
matzeiva. Now since, as I mentioned, we knew that Eva's grandfather's
name was Yitzchok SCHWARTZ, we expected his matzeiva to read “Yosef ben
Yitchak” - but instead the inscription instead read “Yosef ben Boruch”!

Our assumption at this point was that Yitzchok and Boruch were brothers.
But we realized that there was a problem with that hypothesis: My
father's sister, Thelma (Toba) was born the same year that Toba
SCHWARTZ(Yitzchok's wife) passed away, 1913. Though theoretically
possible, It was still unlikely that my grandfather, a"h would have
named his daughter after his great uncle's wife, not even mishpocho.

It was also suggested that perhaps Yitzchok and Boruch were the same
person, but that clearly was not the case as there are records with
Kollel Shomrei Hachomos clearly showing his name and his father's name.

Parenthetically, two other points to consider were that my
grandparent's marriage was arranged by my two sets of great-grandparents,
Joe and Resi SCHWARTZ and Shimshon Shmiel and Miriam FRISCHMAN, and that
they two, the FRISCHMAN's and SCHWARTZ 's might *also* have been cousins.
The FRISCHMAN's were >from Beregszasz, not all that far >from Michalovce,
settled in NYC (Shimshon Shmiel had a Deli on Ave C in the lower east
side) and were always close with the SCHWARTZ's who settled in Scranton,
around the turn of the last century, and second, my father remembers
receiving letters >from Romania until theWWII. When he asked his parents
who they were from, he was told, ">from cousins"- but were they FRISCHMAN
cousins or SCHWARTZ cousins?

One other important piece to the puzzle came >from conversations that my
sister Hope had with the late Rae WEBER about 10 years ago. Rae was
the daughter of Max WEBER and Raisie SHMULEVITZ WEBER. My father
remembers clearly that Raisie was the first cousin of his mother, so
Rae, her daughter who passed away in 2002 at the age of 101, certainly
would be a valuable source for family lore. Anyway, Rae mentioned that
family legend had it that originally at least three SHMULEVITZ brothers
came over and settled in Scranton in the 1880s. Because they each had
stores on the same block, they were afraid that the public would view
them as a monopoly, and so at least one of them, my great grandfather,
took the name SCHWARTZ, so as to give the appearance of competition.
Why SCHWARTZ, specifically?

Here provs go to Doug then came up with the following hypothesis:

In 1880, back in Slovakia, Josef SHMULEVITZ married his cousin Resi
SCHWARTZ. They later moved to the US and settled in Scranton. For
business purposes, Josef decided to change his name, and selected his
wife's maiden name, SCHWARTZ. But it was Resi, not Josef, who was a
sibling of the Boston SWARTZes.

This would explain the naming of Thelma for Toba. We are presently
trying to find Resi's matzevah or death certificate. This would acertain
who her parents were. We are also trying to find Rae's birth certificate
and her mother Raisy's matzeva to determine her maiden name and if her
matzeva says Raizel bas Baruch. Hypothetically, Josef could have had a
sister and a wife named Raisy. And what of SCHWARTZ? Maybe, Josef's
wife's maiden name was indeed Resy SCHWARTZ, in which case the hypothesis
would still be valid.

Another point: because we know that Resi SHMULEVITZ was my father's
mother (Rose SCHWARTZ FRISCHMAN)'s first cousin, there are two
possibilites: either Raisy SHMULEVITZ's mother was Joe SCHWARTZ's sister,
or her father was Joe SCHWARTZ's brother. (It would not have been
likely for her mother to have been Resi SCHWARTZ's sister, because then
they would have had the same first name, and likewise, her father could
not have been Resi SCHWARTZ's brother for the same reason.), right?

What will be revealing will be the matzeva: Does it show her has Resi
bas Baruch (therefore Joe's sister) or Resi bas Yitzchok (and therefore a
SCHWARTZ married a SHMULEVITZ), or some other father which would mean
that Joe's sister's husband was neither SCHWARTZ nor SHMULEVITZ.

One last note: There were a number of SCHWARTZes that appeared on the
1900, 1910 and 1920 censi, and living on the same block, or even the same
address as Josef SCHWARTZ. Were they Resi's brothers? And if so, can it
be established that their matzevas show that they were ...ben Yitzchok?

In summary, we are now *very* close to figuring out much of what went on
100 or so years ago, and what the connection between the SCHWARTZ's and
the SHMULEVITZ's was. We know that there are quite a few in the Scranton
area with those last names. Can anyone add information to clarify what
we surmise or determine if there were other siblings? A key would be to
find a relative born in the 2nd half of the 19th century with the last
name of SCHWARTZ or SHMULEVITZ whose matzeva would read....Ben Baruch
or .....Ben Yitzchok.

Of course, the real topper would be to make a connection to Europe, but
thus far we have not been successful.


Thank you for your thoughtful consideration,

Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

What a strange situation! I'm glad to hear that you found the court records
that explain the lack of marriage record.

I would think that the information you want would be in the 1926 records -
the application for the license was filed with the information on it
(parents' names, etc) and that is what you want. If the rabbi did not
return the document or the document was lost, I don't think they would have
thrown out the record of the application. It might not have been included
in a marriage index made in 1926 (as the indexer would have thought that the
marriage never actually took place), so you might need to search the actual
applications, if possible.

If you cannot search the actual records, you might have to settle for the
1935 version.

If you are not near NYC, you might write to the Municipal Archives,
including the information >from the court records that you have. Perhaps
Bruce or someone else there would know what is possible.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

">from recently uncovered documents, it appears that the record of the=20
marriage, held in the Bronx at the Jacob H. Schiff Center on February 7,
1926 was somehow either *lost* or *not* filed with the Bronx City Clerk by
the Rabbi immediately after the marriage."

What a strange situation! I'm glad to hear that you found the court records
that explain the lack of marriage record.

I would think that the information you want would be in the 1926 records -
the application for the license was filed with the information on it
(parents' names, etc) and that is what you want. If the rabbi did not
return the document or the document was lost, I don't think they would have
thrown out the record of the application. It might not have been included
in a marriage index made in 1926 (as the indexer would have thought that the
marriage never actually took place), so you might need to search the actual
applications, if possible.

If you cannot search the actual records, you might have to settle for the
1935 version.

If you are not near NYC, you might write to the Municipal Archives,
including the information >from the court records that you have. Perhaps
Bruce or someone else there would know what is possible.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ

">from recently uncovered documents, it appears that the record of the=20
marriage, held in the Bronx at the Jacob H. Schiff Center on February 7,
1926 was somehow either *lost* or *not* filed with the Bronx City Clerk by
the Rabbi immediately after the marriage."

Dear Sonia,

You wrote:

My grandmother's given name was BOBOL.
She was >from Poland. What is the source of this name? Is it nickname?

------>
Bobol derives >from the given name Boba of Slavic origin and that means
'grandmother'.
The affectionate Yiddish ending "le" has been added.
The vowel A was often deformed under slavic/yiddish influence and became O.

from Bobole to Bobol the distance is indeed insignificant.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Israel Genealogical Society
Jerusalem Branch
Visit: www.isragen.org.il

Dear Sonia,

You wrote:

My grandmother's given name was BOBOL.
She was >from Poland. What is the source of this name? Is it nickname?

------>
Bobol derives >from the given name Boba of Slavic origin and that means
'grandmother'.
The affectionate Yiddish ending "le" has been added.
The vowel A was often deformed under slavic/yiddish influence and became O.

from Bobole to Bobol the distance is indeed insignificant.

Shalom,
Mathilde Tagger
Israel Genealogical Society
Jerusalem Branch
Visit: www.isragen.org.il

Dear Genners,

My grandmother's given name was BOBOL.
She was >from Poland. What is the source of this name? Is it nickname?

Sonia Abramovich
Mevaseret Zion
Israel

researching: KLEINSCHNEIDER (Kamenets Litowski, Grodno, Belarus)

Dear Genners,

My grandmother's given name was BOBOL.
She was >from Poland. What is the source of this name? Is it nickname?

Sonia Abramovich
Mevaseret Zion
Israel

researching: KLEINSCHNEIDER (Kamenets Litowski, Grodno, Belarus)

I am looking for friends and neighbors
that lived on Walnut Ave, Iffley Rd, and
Montebello Rd, near Eggelston Square,
and Seaver Street, during the 40's, 50's,
and 60's.
Please contact me at me E mail address:
stemarfie@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Stephen Field

I am looking for friends and neighbors
that lived on Walnut Ave, Iffley Rd, and
Montebello Rd, near Eggelston Square,
and Seaver Street, during the 40's, 50's,
and 60's.
Please contact me at me E mail address:
stemarfie@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Stephen Field