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Re: Permission for marriage [in the Habsburg Empire] #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I must have missed Errol Schneegurt's [LI, NY]
question a few weeks back as to why [his]
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in
Lviv, required permission >from the Post Office [where
he was employed] to get married.

Errol has partially answered his own question in
today's posting: the documentary requirements prior to
marriage in the Habsburg Empire, of which Lviv [Lvov,
Lemberg] was a part when the marriage took place were
very stringent. I have a list in front of me of 22
certificates which had to be in submitted before
permission was granted for a Jewish marriage in
Bohemia in 1832.

Amazingly, this list includes school certificates from
both the bridegroom and bride to-be! Whether poor
marks [grades] counted against you when applying for
marriage permission in 1832, I have yet to discover!

I doubt if these requirements were only directed at
Jews - bureaucracy ruled supreme in this Empire.
Non-Jews may however have been "let off the hook", for
som of the certificates.

Seven of the requirements involve certificates from
the bridegroom's apprenticeship years and current
employer. Thus the bridegroom had to supply a
certificate to prove that he is employed in a job
which supports him financially.

Celia Male [UK]
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Permission for marriage [in the Habsburg Empire] #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I must have missed Errol Schneegurt's [LI, NY]
question a few weeks back as to why [his]
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in
Lviv, required permission >from the Post Office [where
he was employed] to get married.

Errol has partially answered his own question in
today's posting: the documentary requirements prior to
marriage in the Habsburg Empire, of which Lviv [Lvov,
Lemberg] was a part when the marriage took place were
very stringent. I have a list in front of me of 22
certificates which had to be in submitted before
permission was granted for a Jewish marriage in
Bohemia in 1832.

Amazingly, this list includes school certificates from
both the bridegroom and bride to-be! Whether poor
marks [grades] counted against you when applying for
marriage permission in 1832, I have yet to discover!

I doubt if these requirements were only directed at
Jews - bureaucracy ruled supreme in this Empire.
Non-Jews may however have been "let off the hook", for
som of the certificates.

Seven of the requirements involve certificates from
the bridegroom's apprenticeship years and current
employer. Thus the bridegroom had to supply a
certificate to prove that he is employed in a job
which supports him financially.

Celia Male [UK]
deMEZA family in Genoa, Italy #general

Mark de Meza <mark.demeza@...>
 

We are a family of Sephardic Jews living in the UK. I have traced my
descendants back to 1650 in Amsterdam. Prior to that, we were in
Genoa/Genova in Italy. Do you have any idea how I could trace my descendants
to Genoa and understand how they went there originally >from Spain/Portugal?

Kind Regards

Mark deMEZA
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen deMEZA family in Genoa, Italy #general

Mark de Meza <mark.demeza@...>
 

We are a family of Sephardic Jews living in the UK. I have traced my
descendants back to 1650 in Amsterdam. Prior to that, we were in
Genoa/Genova in Italy. Do you have any idea how I could trace my descendants
to Genoa and understand how they went there originally >from Spain/Portugal?

Kind Regards

Mark deMEZA
Re: Chodorova #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Dorothy AUERBACH Rivers wrote:

My great-grandfather, David FASS/FASZ is sometimes listed in
Tyczyn, Poland, Rzeszow, Poland and sometimes in Chodorova. He is
buried in The Chodorova Society Plot in NYC.

Which address do I use for him, Tyczyn or Chodorova? Are any
interchangeable?

Also, My great-grandfather Tzvi HIRSCH has two towns listed;
Verkhnedvinsk and Polostsk, Belarus. How do I handle that?


Dorothy,

Is your question related to the entry of your ggfathers surnames in JGFF
database?

You can always list both and more town names for the same person.

I am a bit confused as to Chodorowa. This was a small sleepy village in
Grzybow district (Krakow Province) with about 300 population. There is no
evidence that Jewish people were residing there at all. I am a bit surprise
to learn that there was a Chodorova Society associated with the town which
had no Jewish residents.

Perhaps you are confusing town Chodorow (currently know as Ukrainian
Khodorov) in Lwow Province with Chodorova?

And you obviuosly can list both towns, Verkhnedvinsk and Polotsk in Belarus,
for Hirsch Belarus entries.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chodorova #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Dorothy AUERBACH Rivers wrote:

My great-grandfather, David FASS/FASZ is sometimes listed in
Tyczyn, Poland, Rzeszow, Poland and sometimes in Chodorova. He is
buried in The Chodorova Society Plot in NYC.

Which address do I use for him, Tyczyn or Chodorova? Are any
interchangeable?

Also, My great-grandfather Tzvi HIRSCH has two towns listed;
Verkhnedvinsk and Polostsk, Belarus. How do I handle that?


Dorothy,

Is your question related to the entry of your ggfathers surnames in JGFF
database?

You can always list both and more town names for the same person.

I am a bit confused as to Chodorowa. This was a small sleepy village in
Grzybow district (Krakow Province) with about 300 population. There is no
evidence that Jewish people were residing there at all. I am a bit surprise
to learn that there was a Chodorova Society associated with the town which
had no Jewish residents.

Perhaps you are confusing town Chodorow (currently know as Ukrainian
Khodorov) in Lwow Province with Chodorova?

And you obviuosly can list both towns, Verkhnedvinsk and Polotsk in Belarus,
for Hirsch Belarus entries.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
Seeking Any Information On Pictures Posted VM6012-6015 #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All:

I am seeking any and all information on these four pictures on
jewishgen viewmate. The baby pic is of my great-uncle Murray Rakoff.
The portrait of the gentleman is unidentified and I would love to
uncover who he is. He would have to be some on my great-grandmothers
side of the family since the photo's I am in possesion of were
originaly hers. The wedding portrait I am unsure weather it is
relatives of my great-grandfather David Rakoff. I believe them to be
Sonia Rakoff and husband last name tudrin. I would love to find out for
sure and also the timeframe photo was taken. The group photo of the
family I belive to also be RAKOFFs. I believe they are
Helen(Rakoff)Brown, Louis & daughter Ilene. If anyone can tell me what
they know about these families I would greatly appreciate it. These
families would all have been living in new york.
Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Any Information On Pictures Posted VM6012-6015 #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All:

I am seeking any and all information on these four pictures on
jewishgen viewmate. The baby pic is of my great-uncle Murray Rakoff.
The portrait of the gentleman is unidentified and I would love to
uncover who he is. He would have to be some on my great-grandmothers
side of the family since the photo's I am in possesion of were
originaly hers. The wedding portrait I am unsure weather it is
relatives of my great-grandfather David Rakoff. I believe them to be
Sonia Rakoff and husband last name tudrin. I would love to find out for
sure and also the timeframe photo was taken. The group photo of the
family I belive to also be RAKOFFs. I believe they are
Helen(Rakoff)Brown, Louis & daughter Ilene. If anyone can tell me what
they know about these families I would greatly appreciate it. These
families would all have been living in new york.
Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com

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JFRA Israel - Petah Tikva - Wednesday, May 25 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Family history researchers in Israel are cordially invited to the next
meeting of JFRA Israel's Petah Tikva branch on Wednesday evening, May 25.

The guest speaker will be professional genealogist Michael Goldstein of
Jerusalem, who will present "Accessing resources abroad >from Israel."

He will address, among other issues, obtaining needed important family
information/records (bdm, census, naturalization, SSDI, cemetery data etc.
etc.) located in distant English-speaking countries such as the US, Canada,
Great Britain.
What to do? How do you access these resources? What's online?, What's free?
What's fee-based? How to go about getting the information, what are the
steps?"
Learn the options - how exactly to go about retrieving data >from these
important faraway resources.
If you're stumped, stuck, or haven't a clue - come and get some great ideas.
If you have had experiences - positive or negative - please come and share
with us.

The meeting will be held in a private home; reservations are essential.
For details/address/directions/info: JFRA Petah Tikva co-chairs
Gilda, gilda@genealogy.org.il; Susan, susan@genealogy.org.il.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
(Branches: Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petah Tikva, Rehovot, Herzliya)
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Israel - Petah Tikva - Wednesday, May 25 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

Family history researchers in Israel are cordially invited to the next
meeting of JFRA Israel's Petah Tikva branch on Wednesday evening, May 25.

The guest speaker will be professional genealogist Michael Goldstein of
Jerusalem, who will present "Accessing resources abroad >from Israel."

He will address, among other issues, obtaining needed important family
information/records (bdm, census, naturalization, SSDI, cemetery data etc.
etc.) located in distant English-speaking countries such as the US, Canada,
Great Britain.
What to do? How do you access these resources? What's online?, What's free?
What's fee-based? How to go about getting the information, what are the
steps?"
Learn the options - how exactly to go about retrieving data >from these
important faraway resources.
If you're stumped, stuck, or haven't a clue - come and get some great ideas.
If you have had experiences - positive or negative - please come and share
with us.

The meeting will be held in a private home; reservations are essential.
For details/address/directions/info: JFRA Petah Tikva co-chairs
Gilda, gilda@genealogy.org.il; Susan, susan@genealogy.org.il.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
(Branches: Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petah Tikva, Rehovot, Herzliya)
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch - Wednesday, May 18 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

The next meeting of JFRA Israel's Ra'anana branch will be held at 7.30 pm,
Wednesday, May 18.
All researchers in Israel are cordially invited to all of JFRA's activities,
and a special welcome is given to Genners >from abroad who may be visiting.
If you are planning to visit Israel, please let us know when you will be
here.

On May 18, our guest speaker will be author/genealogist Chaim Freedman, who
will offer a computer-based program on "Jewish Agricultural Colonization in
the Ukraine."
This program combines historical, genealogical and personal information
derived >from Chaim's family background and knowledge.
After his grandfather's death in 1958, Chaim discovered a treasure trove of
family resources and history. Elderly relatives related aspects of Jewish
life in these colonies, which led to Chaim's intensive research and ultimate
publication of his book "Our Fathers' Harvest."
Don't miss this fascinating and exciting presentation.

JFRA Israel's genealogy reference library will be open at 6.30pm, and the
Program will begin at 7.30pm
Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Admission NIS 5, JFRA members; NIS 15, others.
For more information, contact Ra'anana chair Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@genealogy.org.il.

Best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
(Branches: Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petah Tikva, Rehovot, Herzliya)
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch - Wednesday, May 18 #general

Schelly Dardashti <dardasht@...>
 

The next meeting of JFRA Israel's Ra'anana branch will be held at 7.30 pm,
Wednesday, May 18.
All researchers in Israel are cordially invited to all of JFRA's activities,
and a special welcome is given to Genners >from abroad who may be visiting.
If you are planning to visit Israel, please let us know when you will be
here.

On May 18, our guest speaker will be author/genealogist Chaim Freedman, who
will offer a computer-based program on "Jewish Agricultural Colonization in
the Ukraine."
This program combines historical, genealogical and personal information
derived >from Chaim's family background and knowledge.
After his grandfather's death in 1958, Chaim discovered a treasure trove of
family resources and history. Elderly relatives related aspects of Jewish
life in these colonies, which led to Chaim's intensive research and ultimate
publication of his book "Our Fathers' Harvest."
Don't miss this fascinating and exciting presentation.

JFRA Israel's genealogy reference library will be open at 6.30pm, and the
Program will begin at 7.30pm
Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner Street, Ra'anana
Admission NIS 5, JFRA members; NIS 15, others.
For more information, contact Ra'anana chair Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@genealogy.org.il.

Best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
(Branches: Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petah Tikva, Rehovot, Herzliya)
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il
Kupishok: For Eternal Memory - DVD Available #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

This is a one-time posting regarding the availability of a new DVD entitled
"Kupishok: For Eternal Memory" which is available through the Brandeis
University National Center for Jewish Film:

http://www.brandeis.edu/jewishfilm/Catalogue/films/Kupishok.html

The film which runs 60 minutes and costs $18 plus shipping and handling,
recreates the July 13, 2005 dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of Memory
Holocaust Memorial in Kupiskis, Lithuania. The Wall, located in what was
the former main synagogue of Kupiskis and now public library, is the first
memorial in Lithuania to list those killed and their ages.

The participants in the film, who ranged >from age 8 to 87 and who came from
America, Australia, the United Kingdom, Israel, Lithuania, and South Africa,
shared a special and binding heritage in this small shtetl whose Jewish
population was destroyed in the summer of 1941.

The destruction of the community was truly made personal as those who
participated in the ceremonies, both Jewish and Lithuanian, saw the vast
array of over 824 names before them, just regular people, men, women and
children, of all ages, an entire group of people, gone forever. One had
only to go outside the former synagogue where the Wall was located and look
in the central square to see the stores and homes where this community once
was based, or go to Synagogue Street and see where many lived, to know what
a loss had occurred.

Hearing huge numbers in the millions of those killed in the Holocaust numbs
one as one participant stated, but actually seeing those numbers made real
with names and ages is horrifying, especially when they are your family,
friends and neighbors.

For those of you who have connections to Kupiskis and wish to learn more
about the trip there and the shtetl, please go to the Kupiskis ShtetLink
Site:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kupiskis/memmain.htm

I hope you will take advantage of the availability of this film which is
dedicated to Norman Meyer, the trip's leader, who passed away shortly after
the completion of the trip.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Kupishok: For Eternal Memory - DVD Available #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

This is a one-time posting regarding the availability of a new DVD entitled
"Kupishok: For Eternal Memory" which is available through the Brandeis
University National Center for Jewish Film:

http://www.brandeis.edu/jewishfilm/Catalogue/films/Kupishok.html

The film which runs 60 minutes and costs $18 plus shipping and handling,
recreates the July 13, 2005 dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of Memory
Holocaust Memorial in Kupiskis, Lithuania. The Wall, located in what was
the former main synagogue of Kupiskis and now public library, is the first
memorial in Lithuania to list those killed and their ages.

The participants in the film, who ranged >from age 8 to 87 and who came from
America, Australia, the United Kingdom, Israel, Lithuania, and South Africa,
shared a special and binding heritage in this small shtetl whose Jewish
population was destroyed in the summer of 1941.

The destruction of the community was truly made personal as those who
participated in the ceremonies, both Jewish and Lithuanian, saw the vast
array of over 824 names before them, just regular people, men, women and
children, of all ages, an entire group of people, gone forever. One had
only to go outside the former synagogue where the Wall was located and look
in the central square to see the stores and homes where this community once
was based, or go to Synagogue Street and see where many lived, to know what
a loss had occurred.

Hearing huge numbers in the millions of those killed in the Holocaust numbs
one as one participant stated, but actually seeing those numbers made real
with names and ages is horrifying, especially when they are your family,
friends and neighbors.

For those of you who have connections to Kupiskis and wish to learn more
about the trip there and the shtetl, please go to the Kupiskis ShtetLink
Site:

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kupiskis/memmain.htm

I hope you will take advantage of the availability of this film which is
dedicated to Norman Meyer, the trip's leader, who passed away shortly after
the completion of the trip.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net
Terry SAX; Louisville, KY --> California; 1937 to present #general

Tim Baker <tbaker@...>
 

Searching for Terry SAX, born 1937 in Louisville, Kentucky, to
David and Margaret (GAIL) SAX. The family later moved to
California where the parents passed away in Los Angeles,
Margaret in 1956 and David possibly in 1973. I have a phone
number >from that period for Terry SAX in San Diego, but nothing
since then. Unsure if she married -- she could have a different
last name now. She would be the first cousin of the late (?) Leon
NUDELMAN and Morris NUDELMAN of Los Angeles.

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA
e-mail contact at Vilnius Archives #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

taxtroll@aol.com writes - <<Does anyone have an e-mail contact at the
Vilnius Archives, possibly for Mrs. Baranova? It's been 7 months since
I mailed my request for a surname search I just want to get a status on
the search.>>

At the present time, the Historical Archive is eleven (11) months behind on
research requests. Please wait four more months before asking for a status
report. Bear in mind that if everyone requested a status report, and Galina
responded, the archive would get about 20 months behind instead of eleven.
She cannot respond to your queries and also do research at the same time.
All of us would like to receive records as soon as possible. However,
patience is needed as otherwise, the wait will become even longer.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Terry SAX; Louisville, KY --> California; 1937 to present #general

Tim Baker <tbaker@...>
 

Searching for Terry SAX, born 1937 in Louisville, Kentucky, to
David and Margaret (GAIL) SAX. The family later moved to
California where the parents passed away in Los Angeles,
Margaret in 1956 and David possibly in 1973. I have a phone
number >from that period for Terry SAX in San Diego, but nothing
since then. Unsure if she married -- she could have a different
last name now. She would be the first cousin of the late (?) Leon
NUDELMAN and Morris NUDELMAN of Los Angeles.

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania e-mail contact at Vilnius Archives #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

taxtroll@aol.com writes - <<Does anyone have an e-mail contact at the
Vilnius Archives, possibly for Mrs. Baranova? It's been 7 months since
I mailed my request for a surname search I just want to get a status on
the search.>>

At the present time, the Historical Archive is eleven (11) months behind on
research requests. Please wait four more months before asking for a status
report. Bear in mind that if everyone requested a status report, and Galina
responded, the archive would get about 20 months behind instead of eleven.
She cannot respond to your queries and also do research at the same time.
All of us would like to receive records as soon as possible. However,
patience is needed as otherwise, the wait will become even longer.

Howard Margol
homargol@aol.com
Translation of Marriage Certificate #poland

Gary Blatt <garyblatt@...>
 

I have posted a scan of what I believe to be my great-grandfathers
marriage certificate >from the Polish archives. Any translation help
would be greatly appreciated. It is posted at
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6011

Thanks,
Gary Blatt
Alexandria, VA USA

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Wife of R' Yonasson SHTEIF of Puks, Hungary? #rabbinic

moishe@langsam.com <moishe@...>
 

Dear Group,

Does anyone have information on the wife of R' Yonasson
SHTEIF of Puks, Hungary?

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe@langsam.com
366021 - 366040 of 657938