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immigration to UK 1880's #unitedkingdom

Laura Bennett <laura@...>
 

I am trying to research my family tree (maternal) and as I have no
contact with my Jewish relatives I have hit something of a brickwall!
The information I have is that my great grandfather Myer Cohen came to
the Uk >from (I'm told) Minsk sometime in the late 1880's. I have a copy
of his wedding certificate dated 1893 when he married someone called
Anna Fread (spelling on certificate) and I've found them both on the
1901 census living in Sheffield. Also on the certificate Myers father is
named as Asher Cohen - but I have no idea if Asher actually came to the
UK because the only Asher Cohen of an approriate age that I can find is
showing as living in London on the 1891 and 1901 census's. Anna is even
more problematical as I can't find any trace of Freads at all and I
assume she wouldn't have travelled to the UK alone. Information gleaned
from my grandmother suggests that Anna's father was a Rabbi and that
they originated in Kiev in the Ukraine.
I would really like to find out how and when both sets of families wound
up in the UK (I'm told that they came in via a Northern port - possibly
Hartlepool) and would appreciate advice >from "those in the know"

Thanking you in anticipation.

Laura
Sheffield UK searching Cohen (or variants) Belarus and Fread
(Freed/Freedmand/Fridmand/Fried) Ukraine


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom immigration to UK 1880's #unitedkingdom

Laura Bennett <laura@...>
 

I am trying to research my family tree (maternal) and as I have no
contact with my Jewish relatives I have hit something of a brickwall!
The information I have is that my great grandfather Myer Cohen came to
the Uk >from (I'm told) Minsk sometime in the late 1880's. I have a copy
of his wedding certificate dated 1893 when he married someone called
Anna Fread (spelling on certificate) and I've found them both on the
1901 census living in Sheffield. Also on the certificate Myers father is
named as Asher Cohen - but I have no idea if Asher actually came to the
UK because the only Asher Cohen of an approriate age that I can find is
showing as living in London on the 1891 and 1901 census's. Anna is even
more problematical as I can't find any trace of Freads at all and I
assume she wouldn't have travelled to the UK alone. Information gleaned
from my grandmother suggests that Anna's father was a Rabbi and that
they originated in Kiev in the Ukraine.
I would really like to find out how and when both sets of families wound
up in the UK (I'm told that they came in via a Northern port - possibly
Hartlepool) and would appreciate advice >from "those in the know"

Thanking you in anticipation.

Laura
Sheffield UK searching Cohen (or variants) Belarus and Fread
(Freed/Freedmand/Fridmand/Fried) Ukraine


ABRAHAMS - sephardic name in Cluj? #romania

jeremy xido <jeuxjeux@...>
 

Is it possible that my Great Grandfather Moishe ABRAHAMS in Hunyad
(then Hungary and now Romania) could have been Sephardic? I
understand that ABRAHAMS has been found to be a Sephardic name. Does
anyone know how I might be able to corroberate this? The rumors in
the family is that this line of family was Sephardic, but I am not
sure how I can go about finding this out for sure. Any ideas?

thanks

Jeremy Silverstein Xido
New York/Barcelona/Vienna
MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen also has a Sephardic SIG. You might want to consult them.


Romania SIG #Romania ABRAHAMS - sephardic name in Cluj? #romania

jeremy xido <jeuxjeux@...>
 

Is it possible that my Great Grandfather Moishe ABRAHAMS in Hunyad
(then Hungary and now Romania) could have been Sephardic? I
understand that ABRAHAMS has been found to be a Sephardic name. Does
anyone know how I might be able to corroberate this? The rumors in
the family is that this line of family was Sephardic, but I am not
sure how I can go about finding this out for sure. Any ideas?

thanks

Jeremy Silverstein Xido
New York/Barcelona/Vienna
MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen also has a Sephardic SIG. You might want to consult them.


About the Dobromil District #galicia

Ada Green
 

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:35:31Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Dobromil is the integral part of BDS&V Research Group and it was very
unfortunate that
> the vital records of this district were not located in the AGAD Project,
and in the
> consequence, town leader was not assigned to solicit the funds for the
district indexing.

I very recently cataloged the 4 New York landsmanshaftn plots of the
Erster Dobromiler Kranken Unt. Verein (First Dobromiler Sick & Benevolent
Association) totalling 827 burials, the earliest going back to the year
1892. These burials (along with the previously cataloged Lemberger plots)
should be searchable in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry
(JOWBR) the next time it is updated, which will presumably be in time for
the Las Vegas conference very soon. Please be aware that there are 6 other
Dobromiler plots in NY that I did not catalog (3 are for the Dobromiler
Feige Czupper Ladies Sick & Benevolent Society and 3 are for the
Independent Dobromiller Doliner Benevolent Society Inc.).

While these Dobromiler burials are certainly no substitution for the lack
of vital records at the AGAD Archives, they are better than nothing because
the Hebrew names, which I have recorded, include the name of the deceased's
father, which should at least take the first generation of immigrants one
generation further back to Dobromil itself.

Note that I have no roots in Dobromil and have no knowledge of anyone
buried in the Dobromiler plots. I cataloged the Erster Dobromiler plots
because 2 of them contained a couple of people with the surname MENKES who
were of interest to me that came >from points much further east in Galicia
(Bialy Kamien/Zloczow area).

Hopefully Dobromiler researchers in the NY area (preferably those who can
read Hebrew names) will be willing to catalog the 6 remaining
landsmanshaftn plots for Dobromil (4 are Mt. Hebron Cem., 1 is at
Washington Cem., and the remaining one is at Wellwood Cem.) so that the
cause of Dobromil research can be furthered under these most unfortunate
circumstances where Galician vital records are lacking.

Ada Green
adagreen@att.net


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia About the Dobromil District #galicia

Ada Green
 

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:35:31Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@shaw.ca> wrote:

> Dobromil is the integral part of BDS&V Research Group and it was very
unfortunate that
> the vital records of this district were not located in the AGAD Project,
and in the
> consequence, town leader was not assigned to solicit the funds for the
district indexing.

I very recently cataloged the 4 New York landsmanshaftn plots of the
Erster Dobromiler Kranken Unt. Verein (First Dobromiler Sick & Benevolent
Association) totalling 827 burials, the earliest going back to the year
1892. These burials (along with the previously cataloged Lemberger plots)
should be searchable in the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry
(JOWBR) the next time it is updated, which will presumably be in time for
the Las Vegas conference very soon. Please be aware that there are 6 other
Dobromiler plots in NY that I did not catalog (3 are for the Dobromiler
Feige Czupper Ladies Sick & Benevolent Society and 3 are for the
Independent Dobromiller Doliner Benevolent Society Inc.).

While these Dobromiler burials are certainly no substitution for the lack
of vital records at the AGAD Archives, they are better than nothing because
the Hebrew names, which I have recorded, include the name of the deceased's
father, which should at least take the first generation of immigrants one
generation further back to Dobromil itself.

Note that I have no roots in Dobromil and have no knowledge of anyone
buried in the Dobromiler plots. I cataloged the Erster Dobromiler plots
because 2 of them contained a couple of people with the surname MENKES who
were of interest to me that came >from points much further east in Galicia
(Bialy Kamien/Zloczow area).

Hopefully Dobromiler researchers in the NY area (preferably those who can
read Hebrew names) will be willing to catalog the 6 remaining
landsmanshaftn plots for Dobromil (4 are Mt. Hebron Cem., 1 is at
Washington Cem., and the remaining one is at Wellwood Cem.) so that the
cause of Dobromil research can be furthered under these most unfortunate
circumstances where Galician vital records are lacking.

Ada Green
adagreen@att.net


Re: "fabryka wody sodowej" - "soda water factory?" #galicia

Peter Jassem <pjassem@...>
 

"Woda sodowa" means sparkling water - just clear water with bubbles, not a
fancy flavored soda/pop.

Peter Jassem


Re: "fabryka wody sodowej" - "soda water factory?" #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Robert,

Soda water is known as a seltzer or carbonated water = carbon dioxide +
water.
In Galicia we called this a schpritzer.

Soda water factories were filling one liter glass containers, known as a
"siphon", equipped with the valve on a top.

Another type of a smaller container were glass bottles equipped with glass
cork and the rubber gasket, very similar to the types shown on this website:

http://www.worldlynx.net/sodasandbeers/closures.htm

Generally, water used for the bottling has been >from the mountain creeks or
a mineral type >from the numerous spa sources in the Carpathian mountains..
Artificial orange powders were also sometimes added to the bottled water
making so called "oranzada".

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: "fabryka wody sodowej" - "soda water factory?" #galicia

Peter Jassem <pjassem@...>
 

"Woda sodowa" means sparkling water - just clear water with bubbles, not a
fancy flavored soda/pop.

Peter Jassem


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: "fabryka wody sodowej" - "soda water factory?" #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Robert,

Soda water is known as a seltzer or carbonated water = carbon dioxide +
water.
In Galicia we called this a schpritzer.

Soda water factories were filling one liter glass containers, known as a
"siphon", equipped with the valve on a top.

Another type of a smaller container were glass bottles equipped with glass
cork and the rubber gasket, very similar to the types shown on this website:

http://www.worldlynx.net/sodasandbeers/closures.htm

Generally, water used for the bottling has been >from the mountain creeks or
a mineral type >from the numerous spa sources in the Carpathian mountains..
Artificial orange powders were also sometimes added to the bottled water
making so called "oranzada".

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Re: Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.

Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.

However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".

Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it should not
confuse us.

I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.

Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.

However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".

Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it should not
confuse us.

I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Reunion of First Cousins After 67 Years #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

My late father Leon Rosner(1903-1999) >from Krakow lost
all his siblings(and their offspring)during WW2: a
brother and 4 sisters. He barely spoke about them and
we never knew their given names or married names.

In June 2004 I found on JRI-PL names of 2 Rosner
persons (Abraham and Hanna) >from Krakow whose parents
had the same given names as my grandparents.I assumed
that they were my father's siblings. It gave the
sister's married name and I rather quickly found out
that she had a son, Reuven Orschutzer (b.1925 in
Krakow) who survived and lives in Israel.

Last December I checked the Yad Vashem PoTs which went
on the Internet .There were 355 pages of "Rosner and
Krakow". On page 324 I got a testimony which was filled
in the US in 1980 by Rudolph (Reuven) Rosner(b. 1920 in
Berlin and returned with his parents to Krakow in
1933). He is the son of Abraham. With the help of the
Genners I found him in Florida.

Rudy Rosner came today to Jerusalem and I organized a
reunion between him and our other first cousin. They
have not seen each other since 1938!!!! and were sure
that the other perished as well (I was born in 1948
so of course they had no idea about my existence).
The Mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Polanski,who greeted last
year's IAJGS Conference, was present at the reunion.
After a year of search I have 2 first cousins!!!
I'll continue the search for the other members of my
father's family.

It would not have been possible without the Internet.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JRI Poland #Poland Reunion of First Cousins After 67 Years #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

My late father Leon Rosner(1903-1999) >from Krakow lost
all his siblings(and their offspring)during WW2: a
brother and 4 sisters. He barely spoke about them and
we never knew their given names or married names.

In June 2004 I found on JRI-PL names of 2 Rosner
persons (Abraham and Hanna) >from Krakow whose parents
had the same given names as my grandparents.I assumed
that they were my father's siblings. It gave the
sister's married name and I rather quickly found out
that she had a son, Reuven Orschutzer (b.1925 in
Krakow) who survived and lives in Israel.

Last December I checked the Yad Vashem PoTs which went
on the Internet .There were 355 pages of "Rosner and
Krakow". On page 324 I got a testimony which was filled
in the US in 1980 by Rudolph (Reuven) Rosner(b. 1920 in
Berlin and returned with his parents to Krakow in
1933). He is the son of Abraham. With the help of the
Genners I found him in Florida.

Rudy Rosner came today to Jerusalem and I organized a
reunion between him and our other first cousin. They
have not seen each other since 1938!!!! and were sure
that the other perished as well (I was born in 1948
so of course they had no idea about my existence).
The Mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Polanski,who greeted last
year's IAJGS Conference, was present at the reunion.
After a year of search I have 2 first cousins!!!
I'll continue the search for the other members of my
father's family.

It would not have been possible without the Internet.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Re: How can a Yisroyl have the name 'Levi'? #rabbinic

PM <phminden@...>
 

On 2005.06.14, Dr. Michael Bernet <MBernet@aol.com> wrote:

Levi sometimes slips in for the name Loewe or Loewy which is the
German "translation" of the name Aryeh, or Yehuda. (Jean-maker
Levi Straus was actually known as Loewi Strauss before he came to
the USA.)
I'd say the jeans are on the other leg: He had the regular and not
uncommon first name of "Leivi", and Bavarian officials
hypercorrectly changed it into Loewi, just like there are people
with the first or family name Loeser, a hypercorrection of Leizer
from Eliezer. Most German dialects as well as all Yiddish dialects
don't have the oe sound, but Standard German has, and so people
automatically presumed an "oe" when they heard a Bavarian or a Yid
pronounce e or ei.

Probably no connection to Arye, Yehude, Leib, Leibman, Leiman,
Lehman...

Lipman Phillip Minden

[Moderator's Note: Please follow up through direct private
communication on issues unrelated to rabbinic genealogy.]


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: How can a Yisroyl have the name 'Levi'? #rabbinic

PM <phminden@...>
 

On 2005.06.14, Dr. Michael Bernet <MBernet@aol.com> wrote:

Levi sometimes slips in for the name Loewe or Loewy which is the
German "translation" of the name Aryeh, or Yehuda. (Jean-maker
Levi Straus was actually known as Loewi Strauss before he came to
the USA.)
I'd say the jeans are on the other leg: He had the regular and not
uncommon first name of "Leivi", and Bavarian officials
hypercorrectly changed it into Loewi, just like there are people
with the first or family name Loeser, a hypercorrection of Leizer
from Eliezer. Most German dialects as well as all Yiddish dialects
don't have the oe sound, but Standard German has, and so people
automatically presumed an "oe" when they heard a Bavarian or a Yid
pronounce e or ei.

Probably no connection to Arye, Yehude, Leib, Leibman, Leiman,
Lehman...

Lipman Phillip Minden

[Moderator's Note: Please follow up through direct private
communication on issues unrelated to rabbinic genealogy.]


Re: Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.
Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.
However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".
Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it vshould not
cofuse us.
I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naming a newborn after a sibling who died earlier #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I would like to thank all you who responded either
privately or via the different lists to my query. I
got more than 20 answers and I believe that it is my
humble duty to summarize them for the sake of all of
us.The Jewishgen archives contain some references to
this issue but the responsa I got are more focused.
Almost all those who responded were acquainted with
this phenomenon/practice and came across it,however
they differ in their iterpretation.
Few made the comment that because of the bad fortune
people would refrain >from renaming a newborn after a
sibling who died earlier.
However, the majority of those who responded made the
comment that traditionally a newborn was named after a
relative who passed away. It was a Mitzvah to do it.
If a baby who carried this name died,they would name
the next one after the same relative,sometimes addind
an additional name or a "kinui".
Whatever the reasoning,the net result is that one
finds in the same household successive children with
the same given name!!! More important,it is not a
mistake of the registering clerk and it vshould not
cofuse us.
I hope it helps.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

--- Abuwasta Abuwasta <abuwasta@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
I am searching my maternal family KOENIGSBUCH from
Brzesko, Galicia and am making a steady progress.
Recently I came twice across a phenomenon of a
child(male) which died very early,within a year from
birth, and then the next child which was born was
given the same name.
I would like to hear how common such custom was,if
at
all.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Reunion of First Cousins After 67 Years #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
My late father Leon Rosner(1903-1999) >from Krakow lost
all his siblings(and their offspring)during WW2: a
brother and 4 sisters. He barely spoke about them and
we never knew their given names or married names.
In June 2004 I found on JRI-PL names of 2 Rosner
persons(Abraham and Hanna) >from Krakow whose parents
had the same given names as my grandparents.I assumed
that they were my father's siblings.It gave the
sister's married name and I rather quickly found out
that she had a son, Reuven Orschutzer(b.1925 in
Krakow) who survived and lives in Israel.
Last December I checked the Yad Vashem PoTs which went
on the Internet .There were 355 pages of "Rosner and
Krakow".On page 324 I got a testimony which was filled
in the US in 1980 by Rudolph(Reuven) Rosner(b. 1920 in
Berlin and returned with his parents to Krakow in
1933).He is the son of Abraham.With the help of the
Genners I found him in Florida.
Rudy Rosner came today to Jerusalem and I organized a
reunion between him and our other first cousin.They
have not seen each other since 1938!!!! and were sure
that the other perished as well(I was born in 1948
so of course they had no idea about my existence).
The Mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Polanski,who greeted last
year's IAJGS Conference was present at the reunion.
After a year of search I have 2 first cousins!!!
I'll continue the search for the other members of my
father's family.
It would not have been possible without the Internet.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reunion of First Cousins After 67 Years #general

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners and Siggers,
My late father Leon Rosner(1903-1999) >from Krakow lost
all his siblings(and their offspring)during WW2: a
brother and 4 sisters. He barely spoke about them and
we never knew their given names or married names.
In June 2004 I found on JRI-PL names of 2 Rosner
persons(Abraham and Hanna) >from Krakow whose parents
had the same given names as my grandparents.I assumed
that they were my father's siblings.It gave the
sister's married name and I rather quickly found out
that she had a son, Reuven Orschutzer(b.1925 in
Krakow) who survived and lives in Israel.
Last December I checked the Yad Vashem PoTs which went
on the Internet .There were 355 pages of "Rosner and
Krakow".On page 324 I got a testimony which was filled
in the US in 1980 by Rudolph(Reuven) Rosner(b. 1920 in
Berlin and returned with his parents to Krakow in
1933).He is the son of Abraham.With the help of the
Genners I found him in Florida.
Rudy Rosner came today to Jerusalem and I organized a
reunion between him and our other first cousin.They
have not seen each other since 1938!!!! and were sure
that the other perished as well(I was born in 1948
so of course they had no idea about my existence).
The Mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Polanski,who greeted last
year's IAJGS Conference was present at the reunion.
After a year of search I have 2 first cousins!!!
I'll continue the search for the other members of my
father's family.
It would not have been possible without the Internet.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem