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Re: Posting problem #general

Franky <N.Landau@...>
 

I should make it clear that this problem occurs when I am using the
newsgroup feature on Outlook Express. My understanding is that most
people don't send their responses in that way, but as ordinary emails
or as I am soing now through Google.

Nick Landau
London, UK


again -- which state, province, county and country, please #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

There was a recent inquiry about "The grandfather's brother is
buried at Beth David in Elmont."

Are we all supposed to know where Elmont is?

Genners, please provide any thing you know about the name of the
state, province, county or voivod and of course, the country >from
which you are seeking information.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Posting problem #general

Franky <N.Landau@...>
 

I should make it clear that this problem occurs when I am using the
newsgroup feature on Outlook Express. My understanding is that most
people don't send their responses in that way, but as ordinary emails
or as I am soing now through Google.

Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen again -- which state, province, county and country, please #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

There was a recent inquiry about "The grandfather's brother is
buried at Beth David in Elmont."

Are we all supposed to know where Elmont is?

Genners, please provide any thing you know about the name of the
state, province, county or voivod and of course, the country >from
which you are seeking information.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia USA


Re: Bulgaria, the Jews and the Shoah #general

Paul Silverstone
 

The explanation of this is tht the Bulgarians protected the Jews of
Bulgaria but not those of the areas occupied by them. For the
protection they are to be honored; for the other areas they were worse
than the Italians. Jews were more or less safe in areas occupied by
the Italians but they suffered after Italy surrendered when the Germans
took over the occupation.

lbtept@aol.com wrote:

The Bulgarians were feeding you propaganda. The true story is far more
complex and there are few heroes in the story - certainly not the
wartime Bulgarian Government or its people generally.
--
Paul Silverstone
New York

www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


opinions sought #lithuania

joniffer3@...
 

Hello All --

I'm seeking opinions and thoughts about the connection of various given
names. Briefly, this is the situation:

My ggg-grandfather is named Zissel Melech Kantor according to his son's
tombstone (Tsvi Kantor).

According to his son's death certificate, the same man was named "Jessie
Kantor". I have no problem with this discrepancy, as Jessie was likely
some Americanized version of Zissel (though Zissel himself never
emigrated).

Recently, I discovered what I believe is the 1858 Lithuanian Revision
List record of my gg-grandfather, Tsvi Kantor. His name (Tsvi),
birthyear (1853) and residence (Zagare) all match perfectly with all
previous records that I had. And his mother's name on the Revision List
(Gita) is close enough to the name Yetta/Ketea which appears on his
death certificate.

My big cause for concern is that on the Revision List, Tsvi's father is
named Shmuel. Is there any link between the name Shmuel and 'Zissel
Melech' or even 'Jessie'? And if there is no name connection, do you
think the other matching info mentioned above is enough to establish a
solid link? In support of a true match, I should also mention that my
gg-grandfather, Tsvi, did have a son named Sam (presumably named for a
deceased Shmuel). The Revision List Tsvi also mentions an uncle Abram
who also lived in their home. My gg-grandfather also had a son named
Abram. In other words, there are other known relatives within my family
who share names with those on the Revision List.

If you've read this far and have an opinion to offer, please respond
privately to joniffer3@earthlink.net . Thank you all for your time and
interest!

Sincerely,
Jonathan Levine
New York, NY

researching:
WALDMAN, YUTER, KANTOR, LESOWITZ, SHKUDOVICH, JAFFE, LOHN, FERKIN in
Troskunai, Panevyzs, Raguva, Zagare


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgaria, the Jews and the Shoah #general

Paul Silverstone
 

The explanation of this is tht the Bulgarians protected the Jews of
Bulgaria but not those of the areas occupied by them. For the
protection they are to be honored; for the other areas they were worse
than the Italians. Jews were more or less safe in areas occupied by
the Italians but they suffered after Italy surrendered when the Germans
took over the occupation.

lbtept@aol.com wrote:

The Bulgarians were feeding you propaganda. The true story is far more
complex and there are few heroes in the story - certainly not the
wartime Bulgarian Government or its people generally.
--
Paul Silverstone
New York

www.paulsilverstone.com

Please reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania opinions sought #lithuania

joniffer3@...
 

Hello All --

I'm seeking opinions and thoughts about the connection of various given
names. Briefly, this is the situation:

My ggg-grandfather is named Zissel Melech Kantor according to his son's
tombstone (Tsvi Kantor).

According to his son's death certificate, the same man was named "Jessie
Kantor". I have no problem with this discrepancy, as Jessie was likely
some Americanized version of Zissel (though Zissel himself never
emigrated).

Recently, I discovered what I believe is the 1858 Lithuanian Revision
List record of my gg-grandfather, Tsvi Kantor. His name (Tsvi),
birthyear (1853) and residence (Zagare) all match perfectly with all
previous records that I had. And his mother's name on the Revision List
(Gita) is close enough to the name Yetta/Ketea which appears on his
death certificate.

My big cause for concern is that on the Revision List, Tsvi's father is
named Shmuel. Is there any link between the name Shmuel and 'Zissel
Melech' or even 'Jessie'? And if there is no name connection, do you
think the other matching info mentioned above is enough to establish a
solid link? In support of a true match, I should also mention that my
gg-grandfather, Tsvi, did have a son named Sam (presumably named for a
deceased Shmuel). The Revision List Tsvi also mentions an uncle Abram
who also lived in their home. My gg-grandfather also had a son named
Abram. In other words, there are other known relatives within my family
who share names with those on the Revision List.

If you've read this far and have an opinion to offer, please respond
privately to joniffer3@earthlink.net . Thank you all for your time and
interest!

Sincerely,
Jonathan Levine
New York, NY

researching:
WALDMAN, YUTER, KANTOR, LESOWITZ, SHKUDOVICH, JAFFE, LOHN, FERKIN in
Troskunai, Panevyzs, Raguva, Zagare


Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Jules Levin
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote
...
This is about what I understood, yet Holland had quite a reputation
for saving its Jews; PR is a wonderful thing.
Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my wife's parents on
the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records-- written in French, i.e., not German]
and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound transport hub in Paris. I don't think that
Germans trusted even the Poles to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews in Axis-allied
countries survived better than in the occupied countries. Finland had a Jew on its
General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the German liaison told them to. One
shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was in a Rumanian labor battalion during the
war; he survived as a war prisoner in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt
survived when an Italian government official who had met her before the war went to
Berlin, found her, and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't
post throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations others
have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by protecting "their"
Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for Denmark, the Scandinavian
countries and some others were regarded as candidates for Aryan status, and the
punishments for protecting Jews were less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc.
This is why I never get into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in--
*my* country was better for the Jews than *your* country!
Happy New Year to all Genners.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


TRANSLATION OF NAME PLEASE #lithuania

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Hi Siggers,

I came across a passenger record I believe might be a new-found
relative. In order to confirm a relationship, I need to know the
father's name which is under the category of Contact at Last Residence
column. It reads: "father [given name] Adelson, Baltimans". Could someone
kindly translate the given name which looks like "Obaje", but that's not a
name I've ever come across and it's not on the Jewisgen name database.

You can view it at http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
and click on VM6942.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ADELSON, GORDON, PERCZIK (Nemajouni; Butrimantz; Meretz; Aran)

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Jules Levin
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote
...
This is about what I understood, yet Holland had quite a reputation
for saving its Jews; PR is a wonderful thing.
Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my wife's parents on
the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records-- written in French, i.e., not German]
and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound transport hub in Paris. I don't think that
Germans trusted even the Poles to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews in Axis-allied
countries survived better than in the occupied countries. Finland had a Jew on its
General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the German liaison told them to. One
shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was in a Rumanian labor battalion during the
war; he survived as a war prisoner in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt
survived when an Italian government official who had met her before the war went to
Berlin, found her, and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't
post throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations others
have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by protecting "their"
Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for Denmark, the Scandinavian
countries and some others were regarded as candidates for Aryan status, and the
punishments for protecting Jews were less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc.
This is why I never get into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in--
*my* country was better for the Jews than *your* country!
Happy New Year to all Genners.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania TRANSLATION OF NAME PLEASE #lithuania

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Hi Siggers,

I came across a passenger record I believe might be a new-found
relative. In order to confirm a relationship, I need to know the
father's name which is under the category of Contact at Last Residence
column. It reads: "father [given name] Adelson, Baltimans". Could someone
kindly translate the given name which looks like "Obaje", but that's not a
name I've ever come across and it's not on the Jewisgen name database.

You can view it at http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
and click on VM6942.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ADELSON, GORDON, PERCZIK (Nemajouni; Butrimantz; Meretz; Aran)

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Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Michael A Kassner <mikehanna@...>
 

Stan,

I have a book titled _The Holocaust_ (the fate of European
Jewry) Written by: Leni Yahil. This book should be available >from
any large city library. If you can't locate this book you can
purchase it >from Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-9-504522-X. The
pages that concern the Bulgaria Jews are from: 578 thru 587.

Michael (SMITH) Kassner
Valparaiso, Indiana

Searching SMITH >from Russia,Boston,Iowa,Minn, and Chicago,IL


Birth Record of Zhurich Baum - Polish Translation #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not,
but I figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6954 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the birth record of Zorych Baum >from 1858
and are in Polish. Please send responses to rsruss@comcast.net

BTW, thanks to everyone who has translated items for me in the past.
It is much appreciated. Thanks in advance to those who work on this one.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Michael A Kassner <mikehanna@...>
 

Stan,

I have a book titled _The Holocaust_ (the fate of European
Jewry) Written by: Leni Yahil. This book should be available >from
any large city library. If you can't locate this book you can
purchase it >from Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-9-504522-X. The
pages that concern the Bulgaria Jews are from: 578 thru 587.

Michael (SMITH) Kassner
Valparaiso, Indiana

Searching SMITH >from Russia,Boston,Iowa,Minn, and Chicago,IL


JRI Poland #Poland Birth Record of Zhurich Baum - Polish Translation #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not,
but I figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6954 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the birth record of Zorych Baum >from 1858
and are in Polish. Please send responses to rsruss@comcast.net

BTW, thanks to everyone who has translated items for me in the past.
It is much appreciated. Thanks in advance to those who work on this one.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Robert:
Have you contacted the college? Some schools have a keen sense of
history and would be grateful for items that can be associated with an
individual, a date, and a place.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

researching Upper Silesia and giving it the old college try...

Robert Dodell wrote:


I have old photos of my grandfather. Many include friends >from
college years (1920s). No one in the family has any idea who they
are. I have no need to preserve them, but I don't want to discard
them either. Suggestions?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Robert:
Have you contacted the college? Some schools have a keen sense of
history and would be grateful for items that can be associated with an
individual, a date, and a place.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

researching Upper Silesia and giving it the old college try...

Robert Dodell wrote:


I have old photos of my grandfather. Many include friends >from
college years (1920s). No one in the family has any idea who they
are. I have no need to preserve them, but I don't want to discard
them either. Suggestions?


Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

גירון
 

Hello ,
I would like to add another option to those already sugested:
If the photos are >from a university or any gathering of an assosiacion (
synagoge, or other)
It might be intersing for taht university or assosiation to exhibit them in
their library /museum

Nava Giron
Israel


EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.

The place of origin is given as ZATRN. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is ZAB??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is ZABNO but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.

Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

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