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Spam Filters & such #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I recently replied to a posted message anticipating being in a dialog with a
researcher and offered some suggestion. My reply was returned with an
elaborate link to supply data in order to be allowed through a "pass gate."
Frankly, this seems to be very putoffish for a civil colloquy in which
members look to help one another.

I would like to make this a discussion topic so that I might be encouraged
to continue a particular thread of investigation. Until it appears to me
that it would be worthwhile to go through a "20 question-type game" I will
heretofor not indulge in these silly games. Thanks for all the forthright
help I've received through this discussion group and I >from this end will
reply in kind.

Burt Hecht
Researcher 52252

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Spam Filters & such #general

Burt Hecht <burt1933@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I recently replied to a posted message anticipating being in a dialog with a
researcher and offered some suggestion. My reply was returned with an
elaborate link to supply data in order to be allowed through a "pass gate."
Frankly, this seems to be very putoffish for a civil colloquy in which
members look to help one another.

I would like to make this a discussion topic so that I might be encouraged
to continue a particular thread of investigation. Until it appears to me
that it would be worthwhile to go through a "20 question-type game" I will
heretofor not indulge in these silly games. Thanks for all the forthright
help I've received through this discussion group and I >from this end will
reply in kind.

Burt Hecht
Researcher 52252

MODERATOR NOTE: The issue of spam filters is general to all internet groups,
and generally is considered off-topic to our list. Please comment briefly.


Hungarian Translation View Mate #7452 #hungary

solkeys@thejnet.com
 

Dear Genners,
I would very much appreciate if any body can Translate the following
Hungarian letter at View Mate # 7452. Tried to find somebody but was
unsuccessful.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7452

Solomon Schlussel
solkeys@thejnet.com

Moderator: Please contact Solomon off-list if you can help w. translation.


JFRA Israel - Ra'anana - Wednesday, 8 February, #poland

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Wednesday, February 8, 7 p.m.
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch (English)

Everyone interested in Jewish history and family
history is invited to this meeting with visiting
expert

Dr. Neil Rosenstein, New Jersey US
"The true story of Saul Wahl, the Jewish King of
Poland for a day"

One of the foremost genealogists and author of
essential books (Unbroken Chain Vol. I/II, Luria
Family) and articles (Avotaynu, etc.), Dr. Rosenstein
will present an illustrated lecture (English) based on
his next book in preparation.

For the first time, he will present the legends and
facts behind the Jewish "King for a Day" of Poland,
Saul Wahl. A master at separating fact >from fiction,
Rosenstein will offer historical research pointing out
errors and inconsistencies, and the true events.

Doors and library open 7 pm; program 7.30 pm
Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana
JFRA members: NIS 5; others: NIS 20.
Membership checks accepted: NIS 100, single; NIS 160,
couple.
Info/reservations: Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@genealogy.org.il

We look forward to greeting you.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il


JAFFE Family--Rawitsch, Posen Province Branch and DNA Testing #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

I am a descendant of a family of JAFFE's who lived for generations
in Rawitsch, then Posen Provice, Prussia [now Rawicz, W. Poland]. The
earliest known "founder" was Moshe Jaffe [b.~1710 -- d. ~1785], sons Shmuel
Zanwill and Avraham, and grandsons and great-grandsons with the names: Zvi
Hirsch, Meir, Yosef, Loeb, Shimon, Yaakov, Shimshon, etc.

After more than twenty years of research, the documentary evidence
is inconclusive whether this branch traces its decent >from Rabbi Mordechai
Jaffe of Prague (1530-1612) and his uncle Rabbi Moses Jaffe, who traced
their ancestry to Samuel ben Elhanan, great-grandson of Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo
Yitzhaki, 1040-1105), and >from the latter to King David. Rabbi Mordechai's
lifework was the compilation of the Levush (Apparel), a major codification
of rabbinical law, and he was known as the "Ba'al haLevushim" or
"HaLevush".

Personal name repetition patterns are often strong indicators of
descent, especially if the ancestor was an illustrious Rabbi. But in my
branch we do not find any Mordechai's, just a few 19th century Max's,
Moritz's and Martin's--whose Hebrew names sometimes were Mordechai. This is
certainly not definitive proof.

There are other Jaffe families, including the descendants of Wolf
Jaffe and his son Rabbi Menachem Mendel Moses Jaffe of Krotoschin, Posen
Province who suspect, but cannot prove their descent >from the "Levush".
Other families lived in Prussia, Poland, Lithuania and Belarus.

So my proposal is:

1) Identify a few "pure" male Jaffe's who are "proven" descendants of the
"Levush" whose DNA has already been tested--or could be tested. Their
Y-Chromosome test results would serve as the standard against which others
would be compared;

2) Request direct male Jaffe's >from other "branches" to do likewise;
[Personally I cannot, because I'm a male descendant of a Jaffe female
ancestor].

3) Compare the results to see if the various sampled male Jaffe's share a
common ancestor some 14-17 generations ago;

4) Rejoice that we've linked up with our "cousins" or accept that we're just
"commoners".
[Undoubtedly some Jews adopted the Jaffe surname upon marrying a Jaffe
woman].

So with a very small effort, we various Jaffe's can answer
centuries-old questions about our heritage.

The testing can be done by Family Tree DNA, which is approved by
JewishGen.
www.familytreedna.com

I invite volunteers to step forward. Please contact me.

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Translation View Mate #7452 #hungary

solkeys@thejnet.com
 

Dear Genners,
I would very much appreciate if any body can Translate the following
Hungarian letter at View Mate # 7452. Tried to find somebody but was
unsuccessful.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7452

Solomon Schlussel
solkeys@thejnet.com

Moderator: Please contact Solomon off-list if you can help w. translation.


JRI Poland #Poland JFRA Israel - Ra'anana - Wednesday, 8 February, #poland

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Wednesday, February 8, 7 p.m.
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch (English)

Everyone interested in Jewish history and family
history is invited to this meeting with visiting
expert

Dr. Neil Rosenstein, New Jersey US
"The true story of Saul Wahl, the Jewish King of
Poland for a day"

One of the foremost genealogists and author of
essential books (Unbroken Chain Vol. I/II, Luria
Family) and articles (Avotaynu, etc.), Dr. Rosenstein
will present an illustrated lecture (English) based on
his next book in preparation.

For the first time, he will present the legends and
facts behind the Jewish "King for a Day" of Poland,
Saul Wahl. A master at separating fact >from fiction,
Rosenstein will offer historical research pointing out
errors and inconsistencies, and the true events.

Doors and library open 7 pm; program 7.30 pm
Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana
JFRA members: NIS 5; others: NIS 20.
Membership checks accepted: NIS 100, single; NIS 160,
couple.
Info/reservations: Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@genealogy.org.il

We look forward to greeting you.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il


JRI Poland #Poland JAFFE Family--Rawitsch, Posen Province Branch and DNA Testing #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

I am a descendant of a family of JAFFE's who lived for generations
in Rawitsch, then Posen Provice, Prussia [now Rawicz, W. Poland]. The
earliest known "founder" was Moshe Jaffe [b.~1710 -- d. ~1785], sons Shmuel
Zanwill and Avraham, and grandsons and great-grandsons with the names: Zvi
Hirsch, Meir, Yosef, Loeb, Shimon, Yaakov, Shimshon, etc.

After more than twenty years of research, the documentary evidence
is inconclusive whether this branch traces its decent >from Rabbi Mordechai
Jaffe of Prague (1530-1612) and his uncle Rabbi Moses Jaffe, who traced
their ancestry to Samuel ben Elhanan, great-grandson of Rashi (Rabbi Shlomo
Yitzhaki, 1040-1105), and >from the latter to King David. Rabbi Mordechai's
lifework was the compilation of the Levush (Apparel), a major codification
of rabbinical law, and he was known as the "Ba'al haLevushim" or
"HaLevush".

Personal name repetition patterns are often strong indicators of
descent, especially if the ancestor was an illustrious Rabbi. But in my
branch we do not find any Mordechai's, just a few 19th century Max's,
Moritz's and Martin's--whose Hebrew names sometimes were Mordechai. This is
certainly not definitive proof.

There are other Jaffe families, including the descendants of Wolf
Jaffe and his son Rabbi Menachem Mendel Moses Jaffe of Krotoschin, Posen
Province who suspect, but cannot prove their descent >from the "Levush".
Other families lived in Prussia, Poland, Lithuania and Belarus.

So my proposal is:

1) Identify a few "pure" male Jaffe's who are "proven" descendants of the
"Levush" whose DNA has already been tested--or could be tested. Their
Y-Chromosome test results would serve as the standard against which others
would be compared;

2) Request direct male Jaffe's >from other "branches" to do likewise;
[Personally I cannot, because I'm a male descendant of a Jaffe female
ancestor].

3) Compare the results to see if the various sampled male Jaffe's share a
common ancestor some 14-17 generations ago;

4) Rejoice that we've linked up with our "cousins" or accept that we're just
"commoners".
[Undoubtedly some Jews adopted the Jaffe surname upon marrying a Jaffe
woman].

So with a very small effort, we various Jaffe's can answer
centuries-old questions about our heritage.

The testing can be done by Family Tree DNA, which is approved by
JewishGen.
www.familytreedna.com

I invite volunteers to step forward. Please contact me.

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Jews in the Hapsburg Army/Austro-Hungarian Army #hungary

andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...>
 

Hi,
My grandfather, Arthur Steckerl was in the Army in WW1 and died in 1916 and
is buried at the Zentralfriedhof cemetery in Vienna. How do I find
information about him...what rank,if any and where was he when he died and
if this was a full job, or he another profession and when the war broke out,
he was drafted??? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Andrea Steckerl
Belmont,MA
e-mail: geneagirl64@hotmail.com


Re: Davidovka, Ukraine 101/28 Soviet Field Hospital/Nazi Labor Camp #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

Andrew, I appreciate the information about the field hospital at Kiev (you
never know which piece of the puzzle will fit in).

However, I believe my grandfather Antal Linhardt was taken to a hospital
nearer to Voronezh because he was an influential member of the Social Democrat
Party (SZDP) and would have been courted by the Soviets

My theory is that the Nazi labor camp at Davidovka where Olympic fencer
Atille Petschauer died was converted to a Soviet Hospital. Atille Petschauer was
in the 101/28 Forced-labor company. Does anyone know about the 101/28?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/LINHARDT_Antal_II.htm
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/LINHARDT_Antal_II/LINHARDT_Antal_in_401.htm

In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:49:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
andrew-s@rogers.com writes:
I know nothing about Davidovka and Russian institution. But the Hungarian
Army had a field hospital at Kiev. After the Voronezh debacle, many forced
labour conscripts, my father included, marched back westward to Kiev, some
managed to get into that hospital for warmth, food and perhaps care. My
father did, and contacted typhoid fever there. He died within days at that
hospital. Could Paul Linhart's grandfather have found his way to the same
place?

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa

In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:47:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Ujfeherto@aol.com writes:
I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943
at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is
unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe
this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital
or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com


Merchant Marine Officer Archives? #unitedkingdom

The Skylark <skylark2000@...>
 

1-31-06

I have been searching for UK Merchant Marine archives information for th=
e pasts 20 years as time permitted. Now at age 81, time isn't permittin=
g more dilly-dallying if I'm to complete my fathers family history. My
last information on my grandfather, Edward Rosenbloom is as a widower on
the 1901 census at 47 Three Colt Street, Limehouse. At that time he had
two dependents; son, Frank (14) and daughter, Louise (9). He was liste
d as retired and in business as a stationer (which I'm assuming is an En
glish name for newspaper distributor?) During my grandfather's active d
uty as a Captain (?) with the Merchant Marine my grandmother lived at 47
Woolmore Street, Tower Hamlets, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex,
England, and her occupation also was listed as stationer. I know that m
y father and his brothers all worked delivering newspapers in their yout
h, so it seems to be a logical conclusion. I really would appreciate an
y clues to finding any information on my grandfather's Merchant Marine h
istory. I know that he was gone most of the time during the period from
1870 to the late 1890's.


Thanks for any help you can give.

Faith Ladlow, California 92211
skylark2000@juno.com =


Hungary SIG #Hungary Jews in the Hapsburg Army/Austro-Hungarian Army #hungary

andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...>
 

Hi,
My grandfather, Arthur Steckerl was in the Army in WW1 and died in 1916 and
is buried at the Zentralfriedhof cemetery in Vienna. How do I find
information about him...what rank,if any and where was he when he died and
if this was a full job, or he another profession and when the war broke out,
he was drafted??? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Andrea Steckerl
Belmont,MA
e-mail: geneagirl64@hotmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Davidovka, Ukraine 101/28 Soviet Field Hospital/Nazi Labor Camp #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

Andrew, I appreciate the information about the field hospital at Kiev (you
never know which piece of the puzzle will fit in).

However, I believe my grandfather Antal Linhardt was taken to a hospital
nearer to Voronezh because he was an influential member of the Social Democrat
Party (SZDP) and would have been courted by the Soviets

My theory is that the Nazi labor camp at Davidovka where Olympic fencer
Atille Petschauer died was converted to a Soviet Hospital. Atille Petschauer was
in the 101/28 Forced-labor company. Does anyone know about the 101/28?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/LINHARDT_Antal_II.htm
http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/LINHARDT_Antal_II/LINHARDT_Antal_in_401.htm

In a message dated 1/27/2006 11:49:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
andrew-s@rogers.com writes:
I know nothing about Davidovka and Russian institution. But the Hungarian
Army had a field hospital at Kiev. After the Voronezh debacle, many forced
labour conscripts, my father included, marched back westward to Kiev, some
managed to get into that hospital for warmth, food and perhaps care. My
father did, and contacted typhoid fever there. He died within days at that
hospital. Could Paul Linhart's grandfather have found his way to the same
place?

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa

In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:47:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Ujfeherto@aol.com writes:
I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943
at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is
unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe
this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital
or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Merchant Marine Officer Archives? #unitedkingdom

The Skylark <skylark2000@...>
 

1-31-06

I have been searching for UK Merchant Marine archives information for th=
e pasts 20 years as time permitted. Now at age 81, time isn't permittin=
g more dilly-dallying if I'm to complete my fathers family history. My
last information on my grandfather, Edward Rosenbloom is as a widower on
the 1901 census at 47 Three Colt Street, Limehouse. At that time he had
two dependents; son, Frank (14) and daughter, Louise (9). He was liste
d as retired and in business as a stationer (which I'm assuming is an En
glish name for newspaper distributor?) During my grandfather's active d
uty as a Captain (?) with the Merchant Marine my grandmother lived at 47
Woolmore Street, Tower Hamlets, Mile End Old Town, London, Middlesex,
England, and her occupation also was listed as stationer. I know that m
y father and his brothers all worked delivering newspapers in their yout
h, so it seems to be a logical conclusion. I really would appreciate an
y clues to finding any information on my grandfather's Merchant Marine h
istory. I know that he was gone most of the time during the period from
1870 to the late 1890's.


Thanks for any help you can give.

Faith Ladlow, California 92211
skylark2000@juno.com =


Jews in the Habsburg Armed Forces #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

The requested particulars of the publication "Jews in
the Habsburg Armed Forces" are as follows:

Title: "Juden in der k.(u.) k. Armeee 1788-1918
Author: Dr. Erwin A Schmidl
Publisher: Osterreichischer Judisches Museum in
Eisenstadt (Jewish Museum in Eisenstadt)
A-7000 Eisendstadt, Unterbergstr. 6, Tel.: (02682)
5145
The book is in German and English

Dr. Schmidl lectured at the IAJGS in Las Vegas in July
2005.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Dates difference Russian/Ours #lithuania

Rosalind
 

Please could someone give me the secular date for the Russian (per birth
certificate 1903) 12/March 1903.

Thanks
Ros Romem

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with the particular date. If
anyone wants to share a conversion formula with the entire list, please
do so.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Jews in the Habsburg Armed Forces #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

The requested particulars of the publication "Jews in
the Habsburg Armed Forces" are as follows:

Title: "Juden in der k.(u.) k. Armeee 1788-1918
Author: Dr. Erwin A Schmidl
Publisher: Osterreichischer Judisches Museum in
Eisenstadt (Jewish Museum in Eisenstadt)
A-7000 Eisendstadt, Unterbergstr. 6, Tel.: (02682)
5145
The book is in German and English

Dr. Schmidl lectured at the IAJGS in Las Vegas in July
2005.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Dates difference Russian/Ours #lithuania

Rosalind
 

Please could someone give me the secular date for the Russian (per birth
certificate 1903) 12/March 1903.

Thanks
Ros Romem

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with the particular date. If
anyone wants to share a conversion formula with the entire list, please
do so.


"Comments" column in database #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<From: Debra Price <dsprice@optonline.net>
<The following appears in the Comments column of the All-Lithuania
<Revision List database:
<"transferred >from Ramygala society on 19 November 1880"
<I assume that this means that the family moved >from one town to
<another. Does anyone know of any other meaning?

It could mean that the Head of the Household (usually the husband)
was registered in Ramygala and now his registration was changed to
somewhere else. The rest of his family may never have lived in Ramygala.
In any event, it gives the researcher another place to search for records.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia, USA
www.pusalotas.org


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania "Comments" column in database #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<From: Debra Price <dsprice@optonline.net>
<The following appears in the Comments column of the All-Lithuania
<Revision List database:
<"transferred >from Ramygala society on 19 November 1880"
<I assume that this means that the family moved >from one town to
<another. Does anyone know of any other meaning?

It could mean that the Head of the Household (usually the husband)
was registered in Ramygala and now his registration was changed to
somewhere else. The rest of his family may never have lived in Ramygala.
In any event, it gives the researcher another place to search for records.

Howard Margol
Atlanta, Georgia, USA
www.pusalotas.org