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Re: First Name God' #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 8:10 AM +0100 7/31/06, Perets Mett wrote:

sorlen@email.arizona.edu (Steve Orlen) wrote:

The 1906 KIev Gubernya Duma Voters List offers this peculiar name:
VOLYNSKIJ, God'. Can anyone shed some light on the given name? Also,
under the heading Qualifications, many people have this: Po
imushch.tsenzu. What does this mean?
To which Alan Shuchat replied:

I think it's short for Godel', possibly Gedaliah in Hebrew. The Russian
phrase means the person was qualified to be on the list because of
property ownership.
To which Peretz responded:

God is a Hebrew name (as explained by others on this list)
occasionally used in Eastern Europe.
Godel or Godl is the Yiddish diminutive of God.
There is no connection with Gedalya.

If I may offer two comments about the Hebrew name <Gad> and the
Yiddish word<godl>:

(1) Transliterating the Hebrew biblical name <Gad> by the letters
"G-o-d" only serves to confuse he issue. The biblical name Gad (a
son of Jacob) is invariably transliterated "Gad" in English
translations of the Bible. And that is technically correct, because
the vowel "a" is always used to translate a normal qamatz vowel in
the biblical text -- regardless of how today's Ashkenazim (or any
Ashkenazim anywhere at any time) may choose to pronounce that vowel.
The English vowel "o" should be used to represent the qamatz only
when it is a qamatz qatan -- as fori nstance in the Hebrew word
<kol.> (in which the qamatz is pronounced as in the British
pronunciation of the word "hot").

(2) Just to confuse the issue still further: A Russian expert has
explained hat the Russian phrase
<imushch.tsenzu> means that the person was qualified to be on the
list "because of property ownership." And we are also informed that
"God" in this context may be an abbreviation for the Yiddish
diminutive <godel> or <godl>. But, by serendipity, "godl" also
happens to be the Yiddish pronunciation of the Hebrew word<gadol>.
When used as an adjective, "gadol" means "great" -- but when used as
a noun, a <Gadol> (or in Yiddish "godel") was precisely the kind of
person we are talking about here -- one of the <gedolei ha'ir>,
"great men of the city" (or as we might say, "bigwigs of the
community" -- who sometimes "qualified" for that title precisely
because of property ownership!

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Name God' #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 8:10 AM +0100 7/31/06, Perets Mett wrote:

sorlen@email.arizona.edu (Steve Orlen) wrote:

The 1906 KIev Gubernya Duma Voters List offers this peculiar name:
VOLYNSKIJ, God'. Can anyone shed some light on the given name? Also,
under the heading Qualifications, many people have this: Po
imushch.tsenzu. What does this mean?
To which Alan Shuchat replied:

I think it's short for Godel', possibly Gedaliah in Hebrew. The Russian
phrase means the person was qualified to be on the list because of
property ownership.
To which Peretz responded:

God is a Hebrew name (as explained by others on this list)
occasionally used in Eastern Europe.
Godel or Godl is the Yiddish diminutive of God.
There is no connection with Gedalya.

If I may offer two comments about the Hebrew name <Gad> and the
Yiddish word<godl>:

(1) Transliterating the Hebrew biblical name <Gad> by the letters
"G-o-d" only serves to confuse he issue. The biblical name Gad (a
son of Jacob) is invariably transliterated "Gad" in English
translations of the Bible. And that is technically correct, because
the vowel "a" is always used to translate a normal qamatz vowel in
the biblical text -- regardless of how today's Ashkenazim (or any
Ashkenazim anywhere at any time) may choose to pronounce that vowel.
The English vowel "o" should be used to represent the qamatz only
when it is a qamatz qatan -- as fori nstance in the Hebrew word
<kol.> (in which the qamatz is pronounced as in the British
pronunciation of the word "hot").

(2) Just to confuse the issue still further: A Russian expert has
explained hat the Russian phrase
<imushch.tsenzu> means that the person was qualified to be on the
list "because of property ownership." And we are also informed that
"God" in this context may be an abbreviation for the Yiddish
diminutive <godel> or <godl>. But, by serendipity, "godl" also
happens to be the Yiddish pronunciation of the Hebrew word<gadol>.
When used as an adjective, "gadol" means "great" -- but when used as
a noun, a <Gadol> (or in Yiddish "godel") was precisely the kind of
person we are talking about here -- one of the <gedolei ha'ir>,
"great men of the city" (or as we might say, "bigwigs of the
community" -- who sometimes "qualified" for that title precisely
because of property ownership!

Judith Romney Wegner


Looking for LIPSHITZ and FLINT families in Israel #general

sid.greenberg@...
 

Dear Genners:

My cousin, Reesa(Gluckstein)Adler and I are are trying to locate the above
families.

Reesa found an address book with these names >from when she had visited them
in 1975.

The names and addresses were:

Chana and Sender Lipshitz
*** Beylinson St
Kfar Saba

Bayla and Zev Lipshitz and daughter Nehama
Rehov Yitchak Halevi ***
Cholon

Bayla and Joe Flint= Bayla is a sister of Sender and Zev
*** Rashi St
Tel Aviv

Ressa had sent them snail mail in 2003 and 2004, but it was returned
"unknown".

Reesa's parents were Anne and Allan(Israel) Gluckstein of Hamilton, Ontario,
Canada.

We know that our aunt, Anne(Babe) Gluckstein,and my
parents,Mary(Gluckstein)and Joe Greenberg visited them at their homes as
well.

Our grandparents were Esther(Berman) and Jacob Gluckstein, >from Russia, who
settled in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada.

If anyone knows of these families or their descendants, please contact me
at: sid.greenberg@sympatico.ca

or Reesa Adler at: m.r.adler@rogers.com

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Sid Greenberg
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
# 45041

MODERATOR NOTE: House numbers replaced by *** according to
JewishGen's privacy policy.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for LIPSHITZ and FLINT families in Israel #general

sid.greenberg@...
 

Dear Genners:

My cousin, Reesa(Gluckstein)Adler and I are are trying to locate the above
families.

Reesa found an address book with these names >from when she had visited them
in 1975.

The names and addresses were:

Chana and Sender Lipshitz
*** Beylinson St
Kfar Saba

Bayla and Zev Lipshitz and daughter Nehama
Rehov Yitchak Halevi ***
Cholon

Bayla and Joe Flint= Bayla is a sister of Sender and Zev
*** Rashi St
Tel Aviv

Ressa had sent them snail mail in 2003 and 2004, but it was returned
"unknown".

Reesa's parents were Anne and Allan(Israel) Gluckstein of Hamilton, Ontario,
Canada.

We know that our aunt, Anne(Babe) Gluckstein,and my
parents,Mary(Gluckstein)and Joe Greenberg visited them at their homes as
well.

Our grandparents were Esther(Berman) and Jacob Gluckstein, >from Russia, who
settled in Parry Sound, Ontario, Canada.

If anyone knows of these families or their descendants, please contact me
at: sid.greenberg@sympatico.ca

or Reesa Adler at: m.r.adler@rogers.com

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Sid Greenberg
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
# 45041

MODERATOR NOTE: House numbers replaced by *** according to
JewishGen's privacy policy.


Keys on Table #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Since i was a child i was always bought up to never
put my house keys on any table or surface as this
would bring terrible bad luck,All of my family would
come in and throw there keys on the floor,Something we
still do.
I know only one over person who does this and believe
it comes >from Poland and was told it relates to a
tradition that the Synagogue would let poor people
live in accomadation and when a person died the keys
would be left on a table for the next tennant thus
meaning death.
Im intrested in if anyone else practises this
tradition and does it come >from a perticular area as
my family are >from Poland/Romania and Belerus so its
hard to know where.
Another one i was bought up with was my father never
went the same way home and pressume it lies in being
robbed on returning >from market/buisness so you
changed your route to avoid bandits.
I find it fascinating that a 100 years after my family
coming to London im still doing the key routine and
wonder if superstitions are a usefull geneology tool
as they apply to specific areas not practised by
others.
Ive given up worrying about bandits on my way home!!!!
Kind Regards
Malki Katz
London


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Keys on Table #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

Since i was a child i was always bought up to never
put my house keys on any table or surface as this
would bring terrible bad luck,All of my family would
come in and throw there keys on the floor,Something we
still do.
I know only one over person who does this and believe
it comes >from Poland and was told it relates to a
tradition that the Synagogue would let poor people
live in accomadation and when a person died the keys
would be left on a table for the next tennant thus
meaning death.
Im intrested in if anyone else practises this
tradition and does it come >from a perticular area as
my family are >from Poland/Romania and Belerus so its
hard to know where.
Another one i was bought up with was my father never
went the same way home and pressume it lies in being
robbed on returning >from market/buisness so you
changed your route to avoid bandits.
I find it fascinating that a 100 years after my family
coming to London im still doing the key routine and
wonder if superstitions are a usefull geneology tool
as they apply to specific areas not practised by
others.
Ive given up worrying about bandits on my way home!!!!
Kind Regards
Malki Katz
London


Siauliai records #lithuania

Carol Baker
 

The Siauliai District Research Group has just made a distribution of 2,228
records. If you believe that you are a contributor to this group and did
not receive the data, please get in touch with me. OR, if you did receive
the data and did not acknowledge receipt, please do so now.

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Research Group Coordinator
carolcbaker@comcast.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Siauliai records #lithuania

Carol Baker
 

The Siauliai District Research Group has just made a distribution of 2,228
records. If you believe that you are a contributor to this group and did
not receive the data, please get in touch with me. OR, if you did receive
the data and did not acknowledge receipt, please do so now.

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Research Group Coordinator
carolcbaker@comcast.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Vilna researchers - consider joining the JewishVilna group at Google.com #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Researchers interested in the city of Vilna and the Vilna uyezd are hereby
encouraged to join the JewishVilna discussion group at
http://groups.google.com/ . Eden Joachim and I are the owners of this list.
We will be attempting to coordinate activities between the Vilna District
Research Group and those of the Vital Records Translation Project, insofar
as they relate to Vilna District towns.

Invitations have been sent out to all past contributors to the 1858 Vilna
City Revision List project however, many people have not yet responded. If
you are interested in the towns of the Vilna district and wish to join the
group, please go to http://groups.google.com/ and sign up for JewishVilna
[one word].

If any researchers have questions about the Vilna District Research Group
and plans for the future, please contact Eden Joachim privately at
esjoachim@optonline.net . Vital Records Translation Project questions should
be directed to me privately.


Joel Ratner


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Vilna researchers - consider joining the JewishVilna group at Google.com #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Researchers interested in the city of Vilna and the Vilna uyezd are hereby
encouraged to join the JewishVilna discussion group at
http://groups.google.com/ . Eden Joachim and I are the owners of this list.
We will be attempting to coordinate activities between the Vilna District
Research Group and those of the Vital Records Translation Project, insofar
as they relate to Vilna District towns.

Invitations have been sent out to all past contributors to the 1858 Vilna
City Revision List project however, many people have not yet responded. If
you are interested in the towns of the Vilna district and wish to join the
group, please go to http://groups.google.com/ and sign up for JewishVilna
[one word].

If any researchers have questions about the Vilna District Research Group
and plans for the future, please contact Eden Joachim privately at
esjoachim@optonline.net . Vital Records Translation Project questions should
be directed to me privately.


Joel Ratner


Re: Help Request for Cemetery Photos in Pittsburgh #poland

Harriet Hoffman
 

Hi all,

I would like to tell you that the digests really work. In fact, they are
amazing. Just a couple of days ago I requested help in obtaining photos
of my GG parents graves/tombstones in Pittsburgh. The flood of emails
replying to help was overwhelming.

Within two days...just two days...the photos were waiting for me when I
got up, always many hours behind all of you, on my computer. After the
'shock and awe' and drying up the tears I communicated with this wonderful
individual who continued to help in translating the Hebrew on the stone
revealing my GG parents parent's names. That would be my GGGP's, right?

This individual in Pittsburgh had not seen the digest message directly, but
rather had it forwarded >from a friend in Jerusalem. His mother, who lives in
Florida, and had the message sent to her >from a friend in the LitvakSIG, sent
me advice and also mentioned it to her son. When the mother heard that the
connection had been made she called me. We have many mutual friends through
Jewishgen and the SIGS and will meet at conference in NYC.

Genealogy may be about discovering our ancestors, but along the way we meet
family and make lasting true friendships sharing the lives that we live now.
Mike Karsen, genealogist and lecturer, gives seminars on just this..."the
higher calling of genealogy."

Thank you all for your outpouring of support. It feels very good.

Harriet Hoffman
Honolulu, HI


JRI Poland #Poland RE: Help Request for Cemetery Photos in Pittsburgh #poland

Harriet Hoffman
 

Hi all,

I would like to tell you that the digests really work. In fact, they are
amazing. Just a couple of days ago I requested help in obtaining photos
of my GG parents graves/tombstones in Pittsburgh. The flood of emails
replying to help was overwhelming.

Within two days...just two days...the photos were waiting for me when I
got up, always many hours behind all of you, on my computer. After the
'shock and awe' and drying up the tears I communicated with this wonderful
individual who continued to help in translating the Hebrew on the stone
revealing my GG parents parent's names. That would be my GGGP's, right?

This individual in Pittsburgh had not seen the digest message directly, but
rather had it forwarded >from a friend in Jerusalem. His mother, who lives in
Florida, and had the message sent to her >from a friend in the LitvakSIG, sent
me advice and also mentioned it to her son. When the mother heard that the
connection had been made she called me. We have many mutual friends through
Jewishgen and the SIGS and will meet at conference in NYC.

Genealogy may be about discovering our ancestors, but along the way we meet
family and make lasting true friendships sharing the lives that we live now.
Mike Karsen, genealogist and lecturer, gives seminars on just this..."the
higher calling of genealogy."

Thank you all for your outpouring of support. It feels very good.

Harriet Hoffman
Honolulu, HI


Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) Meeting #poland

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) meeting at the New York
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

Wednesday, August 16
3:15 PM - 4:30 PM
Room: Herald - Seventh Floor

If you plan to attend please let me know.

SRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:

Borszczow - Buczacz - Czortkow - Husiatyn - Skalat - Tarnopol -
Trembowla - Zbaraz - Zaleszczyki

Some of the shtelach included in SRRG:

Budzanow, , Chorostkow, Darachow, Grzymalow, Jagielnica, Janow,
Kopyczynce, Mielnica, Mikulince, Monasterzyska, Podwoloczyska, Potok
Zloty, Skala, Skalat, Tluste, Wygnanka, Zaleszczyki

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Suchostaw/shtetl_list.htm

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Suchostaw Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Suchostaw/SRRGhome.html


JRI Poland #Poland Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) Meeting #poland

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Suchostaw Region Research Group (SRRG) meeting at the New York
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

Wednesday, August 16
3:15 PM - 4:30 PM
Room: Herald - Seventh Floor

If you plan to attend please let me know.

SRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:

Borszczow - Buczacz - Czortkow - Husiatyn - Skalat - Tarnopol -
Trembowla - Zbaraz - Zaleszczyki

Some of the shtelach included in SRRG:

Budzanow, , Chorostkow, Darachow, Grzymalow, Jagielnica, Janow,
Kopyczynce, Mielnica, Mikulince, Monasterzyska, Podwoloczyska, Potok
Zloty, Skala, Skalat, Tluste, Wygnanka, Zaleszczyki

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Suchostaw/shtetl_list.htm

Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Suchostaw Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Suchostaw/SRRGhome.html


Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) at the New York IAJGS Conference #poland

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the New York
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

Thursday, August 17
11:00 AM - 12:15 PM
Room: Soho / Seventh Floor

If you plan to attend please let me know.

KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:
Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno -
Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg

Over 200 shtetlach are included in KRRG. Here are some of the towns
included in this region:

Blazowa, Debica, Kanczuga, Lancut, Lezajsk, Majdan, Mielec, Nisko, Pilzno,
Przeworsk, Ropczyce, Radomysl Wielki, Rzeszow, Rozwadow, Rudnik, Sedziszow,
Sokolow Mlp., Strzyzow, Tarnobrzeg, Tyczyn, Ulanow and Zolynia.

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/shtetlachlist.html


Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/


JRI Poland #Poland Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) at the New York IAJGS Conference #poland

Susana Leistner Bloch
 

The Kolbuszowa Region Research Group (KRRG) meeting at the New York
IAJGS Conference is scheduled for :

Thursday, August 17
11:00 AM - 12:15 PM
Room: Soho / Seventh Floor

If you plan to attend please let me know.

KRRG includes the following Administrative Districts:
Kolbuszowa - Lancut - Mielec - Nisko - Pilzno -
Ropczyce - Rzeszow - Strzyzow - Tarnobrzeg

Over 200 shtetlach are included in KRRG. Here are some of the towns
included in this region:

Blazowa, Debica, Kanczuga, Lancut, Lezajsk, Majdan, Mielec, Nisko, Pilzno,
Przeworsk, Ropczyce, Radomysl Wielki, Rzeszow, Rozwadow, Rudnik, Sedziszow,
Sokolow Mlp., Strzyzow, Tarnobrzeg, Tyczyn, Ulanow and Zolynia.

For a complete list of towns being researched by members of our
group, please write me or go to:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/shtetlachlist.html


Susana Leistner Bloch, Coordinator
Kolbuszowa Region Research Group
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolbuszowa/


CARO FAMILY from POZNAN #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am researching Phoebus CARO who went out to Graaff
Reinet in South Africa in the 1830s. I am very keen to
write to Chava Agmon, who is an authority on CARO
family genealogy. Does anyone have an up-to-date
e-mail or snail-mail address for her?

Respond privately, if that is appropriate. Best wishes,

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


German SIG #Germany CARO FAMILY from POZNAN #germany

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am researching Phoebus CARO who went out to Graaff
Reinet in South Africa in the 1830s. I am very keen to
write to Chava Agmon, who is an authority on CARO
family genealogy. Does anyone have an up-to-date
e-mail or snail-mail address for her?

Respond privately, if that is appropriate. Best wishes,

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@yahoo.co.uk>


Jewish Cemetery Berlin Weissensee: information on access to Burial Records at Cemetery Office #germany

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

I would be interested to hear >from anyone who has visited the Office at
the Berlin Weissensee Cemetery in the last few years. I am making a trip
to Berlin in September, and would like to establish what facilities are
at the Office for looking at, and copying, the Burial Records (Card
index & full Burial papers).

I have previously seen some of these documents on fiche/film at the
Centrum Judaicum (which actually required prior approval >from the
Friedhofsverwaltung), but thought it would be more convenient to look at
further records at the Cemetery itself.

Can someone answer some, or all, of these questions:
a) What facilities does the Office have, e.g. how many Film Readers? Can
one print >from microfilm/microfiche?
b) Are all the records available on microfilm/microfiche?
c) What differences are there in the office hours >from those of the
Cemetery itself? [I know >from my last visit that the Office hours were
more restricted]
d) Does one need to pre-book to look at the burial records?
e) Is there any disadvantage in using the records at the Cemetery, as
compared to the Centrum Judaicum? Or is it in fact easier at the Cemetery?
f) Can one contact the Cemetery office by email?
g) Can one look at, or copy, the records without restriction? Is there a
requirement that only the Office staff inspect some (all) of the
records? Are there any Datenschutz restrictions? [I am trying to locate records
for all people of one surname, without proof as yet of a direct relationship]
Thank you

Peter Lowe Hertford, England Email: Peter.Lowe@Bigfoot.Com
Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm

Researching: LOEWENHEIM, WANGENHEIM, DEWITZ, HERZ & KROHN (West & East
Prussia), JARUSLAWSKY


German SIG #Germany Jewish Cemetery Berlin Weissensee: information on access to Burial Records at Cemetery Office #germany

Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
 

I would be interested to hear >from anyone who has visited the Office at
the Berlin Weissensee Cemetery in the last few years. I am making a trip
to Berlin in September, and would like to establish what facilities are
at the Office for looking at, and copying, the Burial Records (Card
index & full Burial papers).

I have previously seen some of these documents on fiche/film at the
Centrum Judaicum (which actually required prior approval >from the
Friedhofsverwaltung), but thought it would be more convenient to look at
further records at the Cemetery itself.

Can someone answer some, or all, of these questions:
a) What facilities does the Office have, e.g. how many Film Readers? Can
one print >from microfilm/microfiche?
b) Are all the records available on microfilm/microfiche?
c) What differences are there in the office hours >from those of the
Cemetery itself? [I know >from my last visit that the Office hours were
more restricted]
d) Does one need to pre-book to look at the burial records?
e) Is there any disadvantage in using the records at the Cemetery, as
compared to the Centrum Judaicum? Or is it in fact easier at the Cemetery?
f) Can one contact the Cemetery office by email?
g) Can one look at, or copy, the records without restriction? Is there a
requirement that only the Office staff inspect some (all) of the
records? Are there any Datenschutz restrictions? [I am trying to locate records
for all people of one surname, without proof as yet of a direct relationship]
Thank you

Peter Lowe Hertford, England Email: Peter.Lowe@Bigfoot.Com
Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/index.htm

Researching: LOEWENHEIM, WANGENHEIM, DEWITZ, HERZ & KROHN (West & East
Prussia), JARUSLAWSKY