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Re: re; OHAYON Family - The Continuing Story of the DURAN Family - Now in America #general

Angela Hurst <angela@...>
 

I would like to express my sincere thanks to all of you who have helped to
enlighten me and my brother and sister in our search for our past family.

My grandmother Simha/Dorothy did speak of American relatives, their names
were Topsy (>from Tulsa) and Nellie. I believe that the trail also leads to
Harrogate in Yorkshire, >from where she sometimes received 'parcels'(I seem
to remember as a child).

I have also had interesting information about Rachel, her stepmother. I know
from my grandmother that they did not get on and that this is part of the
reason that she fell out with her immediate family and changed her name. I
can find no trace of her at all after the age of 10.(1901 cencus). Her death
certificate says that her maiden name was Dorothy Joyce Ohayon and her
married name Dorothy Joyce O'callaghan.
The information about Rachel is below


'A Haim OHAYON is mentioned in the Jewish Chronicle of 9 Oct 1885 in
relation to an enquiry into electoral registrations in Tower Hamlets.
Rose's death on 17 August 1894 at 22 Newnham St is in the JC of 24 Aug 1894.
Simon and his sister Mrs Victor BENSILUM thank wellwishers for condolences
on the death of their father Haim in the JC of 25 March 1898. Simon uses
the 25 Leman St address.

The old phone books (on ancestry.com) have Victor J Bensilum at 86 Shepherds
Hill Romford up to 1982, and previously in Hornchurch. This may be a
family name. You may want to look for Bensilums, partcularly, but not
exclusively, in east London and Essex.

The second wife Rachael's death on 19 Nov 1948 is announced in the JC of 26
November 1948 as "Rachel". She was then at 130 Cheviot Gdns NW2. She is
mourned by, inter alia, her daughter Rose, Esther Klein (wife of Samuel
Klein), brother David Weinberg and granddaughter Ann (presumably Ann Klein).
So you know the stepmother was Raechel Weinberg.

There is a bio of Samuel Klein in the JC of 29 Oct 1954 on his completion of
40 years at the JC. It mentions Esther as a former artist at Raphael Tuck's
studio in Whitechapel (http://www.henrywimbush.co.uk/id20.htm) and coming
from an old Sephardi family.

I am truly delighted by all of this!
Kind Regards
Angela
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: re; OHAYON Family - The Continuing Story of the DURAN Family - Now in America #general

Angela Hurst <angela@...>
 

I would like to express my sincere thanks to all of you who have helped to
enlighten me and my brother and sister in our search for our past family.

My grandmother Simha/Dorothy did speak of American relatives, their names
were Topsy (>from Tulsa) and Nellie. I believe that the trail also leads to
Harrogate in Yorkshire, >from where she sometimes received 'parcels'(I seem
to remember as a child).

I have also had interesting information about Rachel, her stepmother. I know
from my grandmother that they did not get on and that this is part of the
reason that she fell out with her immediate family and changed her name. I
can find no trace of her at all after the age of 10.(1901 cencus). Her death
certificate says that her maiden name was Dorothy Joyce Ohayon and her
married name Dorothy Joyce O'callaghan.
The information about Rachel is below


'A Haim OHAYON is mentioned in the Jewish Chronicle of 9 Oct 1885 in
relation to an enquiry into electoral registrations in Tower Hamlets.
Rose's death on 17 August 1894 at 22 Newnham St is in the JC of 24 Aug 1894.
Simon and his sister Mrs Victor BENSILUM thank wellwishers for condolences
on the death of their father Haim in the JC of 25 March 1898. Simon uses
the 25 Leman St address.

The old phone books (on ancestry.com) have Victor J Bensilum at 86 Shepherds
Hill Romford up to 1982, and previously in Hornchurch. This may be a
family name. You may want to look for Bensilums, partcularly, but not
exclusively, in east London and Essex.

The second wife Rachael's death on 19 Nov 1948 is announced in the JC of 26
November 1948 as "Rachel". She was then at 130 Cheviot Gdns NW2. She is
mourned by, inter alia, her daughter Rose, Esther Klein (wife of Samuel
Klein), brother David Weinberg and granddaughter Ann (presumably Ann Klein).
So you know the stepmother was Raechel Weinberg.

There is a bio of Samuel Klein in the JC of 29 Oct 1954 on his completion of
40 years at the JC. It mentions Esther as a former artist at Raphael Tuck's
studio in Whitechapel (http://www.henrywimbush.co.uk/id20.htm) and coming
from an old Sephardi family.

I am truly delighted by all of this!
Kind Regards
Angela
Re: TEDESCO #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Warning: "Rabbi tedesco" in Italian just means "German Rabbi".

1 Chief Rabbi Raffael Natan Tedesco of Trieste. This is the one dealing
with the problem of civil versus halachic divorce.

Read here about what, how and when [the 1790's]:
<http://www.earlymodern.org/workshops/2006/dubin/text01/intro.php?tid=21>

Also:

2 There was a Giacomo Tedesco born in the Venice ghetto 1799 who died in
Paris 1870.

3 An Abram Tedesco may have been on the Napoleon Sanhedrin (1806-07) as a
representative of the Adriatic region.

<http://genforum.genealogy.com/tedesco/messages/207.html>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: TEDESCO #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Warning: "Rabbi tedesco" in Italian just means "German Rabbi".

1 Chief Rabbi Raffael Natan Tedesco of Trieste. This is the one dealing
with the problem of civil versus halachic divorce.

Read here about what, how and when [the 1790's]:
<http://www.earlymodern.org/workshops/2006/dubin/text01/intro.php?tid=21>

Also:

2 There was a Giacomo Tedesco born in the Venice ghetto 1799 who died in
Paris 1870.

3 An Abram Tedesco may have been on the Napoleon Sanhedrin (1806-07) as a
representative of the Adriatic region.

<http://genforum.genealogy.com/tedesco/messages/207.html>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
re; OHAYON Family - The Continuing Story of the DURAN Family - Now in America #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I would like to thank Linda Shefler for her great work in tracing this family
in the USA. There reason it is so fascinating is that here we have early N.
African Sephardic immigrants to England, arriving probably via the
British-controlled port of Mogador - and very soon some young ones are off to
the USA. They then settled there, but kept travelling back and forth although
they were probably not very wealthy. Family links must have been very strong.

We can only do this work because of the increasing number of databases
available and cooperation between like-minded people on Jewishgen, interested
in Jewish family history in the *widest sense*.

Obviously, we can go on and on and most of us would lose the thread or the
interest. I would like to stress that an interesting *general point* has
emerged: I have now found quite a cluster of the Sephardic N. Africans in early
England censuses. Harold Pollins [I have his permission to quote] even has one
living in Merthyr Tydfil in Wales in 1851 - Yentuv/Yentub LEVY in 1851 and
1861 - an old clothes dealer. I suspect some of these may have been British
subjects [like the Ottoman Jews of Aleppo, Iraq and Smyrna]. This might arise
from payment or because they helped the local British consul/community as
dragomen/interpreters. I have found many more in the 1871 census but they are
hard to find because *not only* are the family names mistranscribed but *also*
the places of origin. I will eventually organise them into an intelligible
list.

To end this saga, I would like to report that the earliest DURAN I found in
England was in 1841 - indeed an interpreter - Joseph born in "Foreign parts" in
1791. And we must not forget the young couple, who criss-crossed the Atlantic
many times in the 1800s - Abraham and Rebecca [nee ? - the 1849 marriage
certificate will reveal this]. Yes, you can find them also in the 1851 census
of England as DURAC [transcription error]. Abraham was a cigar maker. A few
weeks later they sailed across the Atlantic arriving in NY >from England on 28
July 1851 on the SS American Eagle. Nine children later, Rebecca resettled in
London, a widow, leaving part of her brood in the USA. Where are they now?

And one of her children, Rose DURAN married Simon OHAYON [census says - from
Morocco] in London and that is how all this started! Their baby daughter Simha,
called herself Dorothy in adulthood and never revealed much of her past family
history to her English family. Dorothy was the grandmother of Angela Hurst, who
posed her query on this list just a few days ago. What an amazing journey we
have undertaken. Thank you, Mathilde, Linda, Harold and others who participated
behind the scenes.

Celia Male [U.K.]
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re; OHAYON Family - The Continuing Story of the DURAN Family - Now in America #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I would like to thank Linda Shefler for her great work in tracing this family
in the USA. There reason it is so fascinating is that here we have early N.
African Sephardic immigrants to England, arriving probably via the
British-controlled port of Mogador - and very soon some young ones are off to
the USA. They then settled there, but kept travelling back and forth although
they were probably not very wealthy. Family links must have been very strong.

We can only do this work because of the increasing number of databases
available and cooperation between like-minded people on Jewishgen, interested
in Jewish family history in the *widest sense*.

Obviously, we can go on and on and most of us would lose the thread or the
interest. I would like to stress that an interesting *general point* has
emerged: I have now found quite a cluster of the Sephardic N. Africans in early
England censuses. Harold Pollins [I have his permission to quote] even has one
living in Merthyr Tydfil in Wales in 1851 - Yentuv/Yentub LEVY in 1851 and
1861 - an old clothes dealer. I suspect some of these may have been British
subjects [like the Ottoman Jews of Aleppo, Iraq and Smyrna]. This might arise
from payment or because they helped the local British consul/community as
dragomen/interpreters. I have found many more in the 1871 census but they are
hard to find because *not only* are the family names mistranscribed but *also*
the places of origin. I will eventually organise them into an intelligible
list.

To end this saga, I would like to report that the earliest DURAN I found in
England was in 1841 - indeed an interpreter - Joseph born in "Foreign parts" in
1791. And we must not forget the young couple, who criss-crossed the Atlantic
many times in the 1800s - Abraham and Rebecca [nee ? - the 1849 marriage
certificate will reveal this]. Yes, you can find them also in the 1851 census
of England as DURAC [transcription error]. Abraham was a cigar maker. A few
weeks later they sailed across the Atlantic arriving in NY >from England on 28
July 1851 on the SS American Eagle. Nine children later, Rebecca resettled in
London, a widow, leaving part of her brood in the USA. Where are they now?

And one of her children, Rose DURAN married Simon OHAYON [census says - from
Morocco] in London and that is how all this started! Their baby daughter Simha,
called herself Dorothy in adulthood and never revealed much of her past family
history to her English family. Dorothy was the grandmother of Angela Hurst, who
posed her query on this list just a few days ago. What an amazing journey we
have undertaken. Thank you, Mathilde, Linda, Harold and others who participated
behind the scenes.

Celia Male [U.K.]
Re: TEDESCO #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Whitehorse777" <whitehorse777@...> wrote
I am attempting to discover the name (and possible time of reference) of a
chief rabbi named TEDESCO who was involved in a significant Halachic
controversy in the 19th century. I would appreciate any pointing in the
right direction
Chief Rabbi Raffael Natan Tedesco of Trieste in the late 18th century?

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: TEDESCO #general

Nick <tulse04-news1@...>
 

"Whitehorse777" <whitehorse777@...> wrote
I am attempting to discover the name (and possible time of reference) of a
chief rabbi named TEDESCO who was involved in a significant Halachic
controversy in the 19th century. I would appreciate any pointing in the
right direction
Chief Rabbi Raffael Natan Tedesco of Trieste in the late 18th century?

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)
Families from Korosten and Makarov. #ukraine

Rebecca Snow <snowbeck@...>
 

I am searching for some families >from Korostina (Korosten) and Makarov in
modern Ukraine.

The GLASSMAN family >from Korosten. Jacob GLASSMAN born c.1879, left for
England, date unknown.

Jenny KUNDRANSKY (married Jacob GLASSMAN) born c.1880. Immigrated to
England c 1900, then Canada 1910.

Mandel KUNDRANSKY >from Makarov (born mid 19th century)
Michla Cholodenko >from Makarov. (born mid 19th century)

If anyone recognises these names please get in touch!

Thanks,

Rebecca Snow
Toronto, Canada.
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Families from Korosten and Makarov. #ukraine

Rebecca Snow <snowbeck@...>
 

I am searching for some families >from Korostina (Korosten) and Makarov in
modern Ukraine.

The GLASSMAN family >from Korosten. Jacob GLASSMAN born c.1879, left for
England, date unknown.

Jenny KUNDRANSKY (married Jacob GLASSMAN) born c.1880. Immigrated to
England c 1900, then Canada 1910.

Mandel KUNDRANSKY >from Makarov (born mid 19th century)
Michla Cholodenko >from Makarov. (born mid 19th century)

If anyone recognises these names please get in touch!

Thanks,

Rebecca Snow
Toronto, Canada.
Leib Hollander #ukraine

Ami Elyasaf
 

Who was Leib HOLLANDER that passed away in Podhajce/Tarnopol on 1905
at the age of 65y (data >from JRI-PL)?
How was he related to the Hollander's >from that archive and those from
Yad-Vashem and Podhajce Yizcor book?
Is he the same person as Leib Hollander >from Lanowce/Wolyn (2nd half
of the 19 century) that was the father of Asne Kristianpoller from
Podbereze/Brody?
How are they related to the Schogel/Glassgold family >from Lanwoce?

Ami Elyasaf
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Leib Hollander #ukraine

Ami Elyasaf
 

Who was Leib HOLLANDER that passed away in Podhajce/Tarnopol on 1905
at the age of 65y (data >from JRI-PL)?
How was he related to the Hollander's >from that archive and those from
Yad-Vashem and Podhajce Yizcor book?
Is he the same person as Leib Hollander >from Lanowce/Wolyn (2nd half
of the 19 century) that was the father of Asne Kristianpoller from
Podbereze/Brody?
How are they related to the Schogel/Glassgold family >from Lanwoce?

Ami Elyasaf
Simon Hock's book #austria-czech

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

Recently in an article about the Jews in Prague, at the end of the 16th
century and the beginning of the 17th, I found references about the,
family of Enoch WEISELS and Israel Aron HAMMERSCHLAG. It seems that
members of this family are sometimes referred to under the surname
HENELES. Another source refers also to a rabbi Israel HENELES or HENLIS,
in Prague, at the beginning of the 17th century. The name HENELES or
HENDLES/HENDELS appears in my family tree, during the 17th century in
Krakow. It was born, for instance by a grandson of R' Sinai b' Bezalel
(the MaHaRaL eldest brother), son-in-law of Enoch WEISELS.
The reference I am looking for is a book written by Simon Hock and
published in 1892 by David Kaufmann. The name is in German "Die Familien
Prags" but I am not sure. The book was originally written in Hebrew. The
reference to HENELES would be on pages 97 and following and 106 and
following about Enoch WEISELS.
Does someone in the group have access to this book and could she or he
be so kind to tell me what's in it in relation with these two names.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Gilbert HENDLISZ (Brussels) #43912
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Simon Hock's book #austria-czech

Gilbert Hendlisz <gilbert.hendlisz@...>
 

Hello to the group,

Recently in an article about the Jews in Prague, at the end of the 16th
century and the beginning of the 17th, I found references about the,
family of Enoch WEISELS and Israel Aron HAMMERSCHLAG. It seems that
members of this family are sometimes referred to under the surname
HENELES. Another source refers also to a rabbi Israel HENELES or HENLIS,
in Prague, at the beginning of the 17th century. The name HENELES or
HENDLES/HENDELS appears in my family tree, during the 17th century in
Krakow. It was born, for instance by a grandson of R' Sinai b' Bezalel
(the MaHaRaL eldest brother), son-in-law of Enoch WEISELS.
The reference I am looking for is a book written by Simon Hock and
published in 1892 by David Kaufmann. The name is in German "Die Familien
Prags" but I am not sure. The book was originally written in Hebrew. The
reference to HENELES would be on pages 97 and following and 106 and
following about Enoch WEISELS.
Does someone in the group have access to this book and could she or he
be so kind to tell me what's in it in relation with these two names.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Gilbert HENDLISZ (Brussels) #43912
Jewish cemeteries-Belarus #belarus

Vladimir Salita <vlasal@...>
 

Jewish cemeteries in Belarus
Click link below.
On left side of the page click "Types of monuments".
On new page go down and you'll see "jewish heritage" and at the bottom
"jewish cemetery"

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.globus.tut.by


Vladimir Salita
Bowie, MD
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is an updated version of a previous post.
Belarus SIG #Belarus Jewish cemeteries-Belarus #belarus

Vladimir Salita <vlasal@...>
 

Jewish cemeteries in Belarus
Click link below.
On left side of the page click "Types of monuments".
On new page go down and you'll see "jewish heritage" and at the bottom
"jewish cemetery"

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.globus.tut.by


Vladimir Salita
Bowie, MD
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is an updated version of a previous post.
Searching: SVISLOCH and BOBRUISK families #belarus

Rebecca Snow <snowbeck@...>
 

Hello, I am researching a couple of families >from Svisloch and Bobruisk in
Belarus.

The Losz family >from Svisloch. Ezekial Losz died 1919 in Svisloch. His
son was Maishe, born 23 march 1888. Maishe immigrated 1921 to Montreal,
Canada.

Abraham Katznelson (later Landsberg) was >from Bobruisk, born c.1859 and
emigrated 1893/4 to North America. He married Rivka Fox, born 21 Dec 1863
Bobruisk, daughter of Leib Wolf Fox.

If anyone has information on any of these families/recognizes the names and
areas, then please do get in touch!

Thanks, Rebecca Snow
Toronto, Canada.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately
Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: SVISLOCH and BOBRUISK families #belarus

Rebecca Snow <snowbeck@...>
 

Hello, I am researching a couple of families >from Svisloch and Bobruisk in
Belarus.

The Losz family >from Svisloch. Ezekial Losz died 1919 in Svisloch. His
son was Maishe, born 23 march 1888. Maishe immigrated 1921 to Montreal,
Canada.

Abraham Katznelson (later Landsberg) was >from Bobruisk, born c.1859 and
emigrated 1893/4 to North America. He married Rivka Fox, born 21 Dec 1863
Bobruisk, daughter of Leib Wolf Fox.

If anyone has information on any of these families/recognizes the names and
areas, then please do get in touch!

Thanks, Rebecca Snow
Toronto, Canada.
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately
Irena Sendler's List #poland

Mariannah <mariannah@...>
 

Hello,

I wonder if any of you knows if there is a place where the list of children
saved by Mrs Sendler and her partners is being kept today? Or maybe a copy?
Yad Vashem? Washington? New York? Anywhere?

Regards
Marianna Hoszowska
Warsaw, Poland
JRI Poland #Poland Irena Sendler's List #poland

Mariannah <mariannah@...>
 

Hello,

I wonder if any of you knows if there is a place where the list of children
saved by Mrs Sendler and her partners is being kept today? Or maybe a copy?
Yad Vashem? Washington? New York? Anywhere?

Regards
Marianna Hoszowska
Warsaw, Poland
302221 - 302240 of 669687