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Re: What Exactly is Flattan... Thank You
#germany
Linda Shefler
A big thank you to everyone who responded to my request regarding "Flattan".
It seems I misread the last letter which was actually a sloppy U, and the town was Flatau/Flatow in the district of Marienwerder, West Prussia. The town is now called Zlotow in northern Poland. Thanks again. Best, Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linda.shefler@gmail.com MOD NOTES: Linda - You can broadcast your "thank you" and enable GerSIG and JewishGen to continue their free services if you put a thank you note on the JewishGen Wall of Honor: http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp Thanks for explaining the reason for your research problem. It teaches a good lesson for other researchers. Also, it illustrates why JewishGen's "View-Mate" service is so wonderful. Your Wall of Honor postings help us provide GerSIG, ViewMate and much more, all free of charge. MOD 1
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Addition of Warszawa Data to the JRI-Poland database
#poland
hadassahlipsius
The Jewish Records Indexing -Poland (http://www.jri-poland.org) database
was updated on the first night of Chanukah. Three Warszawa LDS films are now complete and live on the database. The additions cover over 5000 new Warszawa Records and include the following: District IV, Births 1862-63, Deaths 1866 District V, Births, Marriages and Deaths 1863 District VI, Births, Marriages and Deaths 1864 District VII, Births and Marriages 1864 Many thanks to Michael Chen for all his help. Happy Chanukah to all. Hadassah Lipsius Warszawa Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator JRI-Poland
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German SIG #Germany Re: What Exactly is Flattan... Thank You
#germany
Linda Shefler
A big thank you to everyone who responded to my request regarding "Flattan".
It seems I misread the last letter which was actually a sloppy U, and the town was Flatau/Flatow in the district of Marienwerder, West Prussia. The town is now called Zlotow in northern Poland. Thanks again. Best, Linda Silverman Shefler Cary, NC linda.shefler@gmail.com MOD NOTES: Linda - You can broadcast your "thank you" and enable GerSIG and JewishGen to continue their free services if you put a thank you note on the JewishGen Wall of Honor: http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/honors.asp Thanks for explaining the reason for your research problem. It teaches a good lesson for other researchers. Also, it illustrates why JewishGen's "View-Mate" service is so wonderful. Your Wall of Honor postings help us provide GerSIG, ViewMate and much more, all free of charge. MOD 1
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JRI Poland #Poland Addition of Warszawa Data to the JRI-Poland database
#poland
hadassahlipsius
The Jewish Records Indexing -Poland (http://www.jri-poland.org) database
was updated on the first night of Chanukah. Three Warszawa LDS films are now complete and live on the database. The additions cover over 5000 new Warszawa Records and include the following: District IV, Births 1862-63, Deaths 1866 District V, Births, Marriages and Deaths 1863 District VI, Births, Marriages and Deaths 1864 District VII, Births and Marriages 1864 Many thanks to Michael Chen for all his help. Happy Chanukah to all. Hadassah Lipsius Warszawa Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator JRI-Poland
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Tarnow records update
#poland
Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
I am very pleased to announce the availability of more vital records
from Tarnow, now online through the Jewish Records Indexing - Polanddatabase. There are two sets of Tarnow records online: those transcribed from the LDS microfilms, and later years that were purchased >from the Polish State Archives (PSA). There are significant additions to both of these sets of records. For the LDS microfilm years, generally 1808 - 1870, these newly added records represent missing years >from the work that was done a few years ago by our dedicated group of volunteers, and completes the transcription of those records available on LDS microfilms 0742702, 0948420, 0948421, and 0948422. This latest work adds Birth records from for 1825 - 1831, and Death records >from 1848 - 1855. This bringsthe total number of Tarnow extracts online >from these LDS microfilms to over 31000. Because there is no register index for these records there is no other way to locate people short of examining each record on the microfilms. For the PSA data, which previously covered the years up through 1899, we have added the records spanning 1900 - 1904. These records now number over 21000. In both sets of data there are also several corrections that have been made based on errata analysis and feedback over the past few years, followed by a re-examination of some of the records. I would especially like to thank Leonard Schneider for locating the sections that were missing >from our original LDS microfilm effort. Please contact me if you would like information about other Tarnow projects, including School records and nearby towns like Brzesko, Czchow, Dabrowa Tarnowska, Radlow, Szczucin, Wojnicz and Zabno. Howard Fink HowGen@verizon.net Tarnow Shtetl Coordinator Tarnow PSA Coordinator
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JRI Poland #Poland Tarnow records update
#poland
Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
I am very pleased to announce the availability of more vital records
from Tarnow, now online through the Jewish Records Indexing - Polanddatabase. There are two sets of Tarnow records online: those transcribed from the LDS microfilms, and later years that were purchased >from the Polish State Archives (PSA). There are significant additions to both of these sets of records. For the LDS microfilm years, generally 1808 - 1870, these newly added records represent missing years >from the work that was done a few years ago by our dedicated group of volunteers, and completes the transcription of those records available on LDS microfilms 0742702, 0948420, 0948421, and 0948422. This latest work adds Birth records from for 1825 - 1831, and Death records >from 1848 - 1855. This bringsthe total number of Tarnow extracts online >from these LDS microfilms to over 31000. Because there is no register index for these records there is no other way to locate people short of examining each record on the microfilms. For the PSA data, which previously covered the years up through 1899, we have added the records spanning 1900 - 1904. These records now number over 21000. In both sets of data there are also several corrections that have been made based on errata analysis and feedback over the past few years, followed by a re-examination of some of the records. I would especially like to thank Leonard Schneider for locating the sections that were missing >from our original LDS microfilm effort. Please contact me if you would like information about other Tarnow projects, including School records and nearby towns like Brzesko, Czchow, Dabrowa Tarnowska, Radlow, Szczucin, Wojnicz and Zabno. Howard Fink HowGen@verizon.net Tarnow Shtetl Coordinator Tarnow PSA Coordinator
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Re: Tarnow
#galicia
ellen moshenberg
Hi Linda,
Don't forget to look in Yad Vashem. If the family immigrated to the US then also check Ellis Island and the big commercial one. Also check out Steve Lasky's museumoffamilyhistory.com for lots of resources worldwide. On our roots trip to Poland we visited Tarnow. It is easy to reach by train >from Krakow. There are lots of well marked Jewish sites to see their and the city info center will give you an English map. They have helpful English speaking advisors in the info center as well. There is a large intact Jewish cemetary but you need to get a key >from the info center though my husband and kids jumped the fence. Happy Hanuka, Ellen MOSHENBERG Searching: Stawiski: CHMIELEWSKI, GRUDZINSKI, REJMER Lomza & NYC: CHMIELEWSKI, FLATOW Grajewbo: REJMER Bialystok: GRUDZINSKI Tarnow: GELD OR GELT LODZ & Plonsk: MOSZENBERG Szczuczn: GRUDZINSKI Kulbusov: REVITZ, TRAUM Romni (Lithuania?) & New Haven, CT: DUNN Tel Aviv: CHMIELEWSKI
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JRI Poland #Poland re: Tarnow
#poland
ellen moshenberg
Hi Linda,
Don't forget to look in Yad Vashem. If the family immigrated to the US then also check Ellis Island and the big commercial one. Also check out Steve Lasky's museumoffamilyhistory.com for lots of resources worldwide. On our roots trip to Poland we visited Tarnow. It is easy to reach by train >from Krakow. There are lots of well marked Jewish sites to see their and the city info center will give you an English map. They have helpful English speaking advisors in the info center as well. There is a large intact Jewish cemetary but you need to get a key >from the info center though my husband and kids jumped the fence. Happy Hanuka, Ellen MOSHENBERG Searching: Stawiski: CHMIELEWSKI, GRUDZINSKI, REJMER Lomza & NYC: CHMIELEWSKI, FLATOW Grajewbo: REJMER Bialystok: GRUDZINSKI Tarnow: GELD OR GELT LODZ & Plonsk: MOSZENBERG Szczuczn: GRUDZINSKI Kulbusov: REVITZ, TRAUM Romni (Lithuania?) & New Haven, CT: DUNN Tel Aviv: CHMIELEWSKI
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RABINOWITZ (ROBBINS) - from Siauliai/Shavel, Lithuania to D.C.
#lithuania
Joseph Lonstein
I'm searching for a RABINOWITZ family >from or near Siauliai (Shavel, Shavli)
Lithuania. Father was Rabbi Boruch Mordechai RABINOWITZ, and his wife was named Sarah (she was born ~1835). According to the 1910 Census, Sarah was a widow and living in Washington, D.C. with her daughter Mary LEVITAN (nee Miriam Bracha RABINOWITZ, 1864-1937) and the LEVITAN family. These LEVITANs came to the States around 1885-1890. Also according to the 1910 Census, Boruch Mordechai RABINOWITZ and his wife Sarah had 8 children. In the 1910 Census, Sarah was going by the name ROBBINS. I have not yet found Sarah in the 1900 or 1920 censuses. I am not directly related to this RABINOWITZ family, but am related to the LEVITANs. I cannot find "my" LEVITANS before 1900, so am hoping I can find a lead by following the wife, Mary nee RABINOWITZ. Anyone have this family on their tree? I've looked for info online, but can't find anything that I can definitively trace back to this particular RABINOWITZ/ROBBINS family. Thanks for any help, Joe Lonstein East Lansing, MI MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Sugestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RABINOWITZ (ROBBINS) - from Siauliai/Shavel, Lithuania to D.C.
#lithuania
Joseph Lonstein
I'm searching for a RABINOWITZ family >from or near Siauliai (Shavel, Shavli)
Lithuania. Father was Rabbi Boruch Mordechai RABINOWITZ, and his wife was named Sarah (she was born ~1835). According to the 1910 Census, Sarah was a widow and living in Washington, D.C. with her daughter Mary LEVITAN (nee Miriam Bracha RABINOWITZ, 1864-1937) and the LEVITAN family. These LEVITANs came to the States around 1885-1890. Also according to the 1910 Census, Boruch Mordechai RABINOWITZ and his wife Sarah had 8 children. In the 1910 Census, Sarah was going by the name ROBBINS. I have not yet found Sarah in the 1900 or 1920 censuses. I am not directly related to this RABINOWITZ family, but am related to the LEVITANs. I cannot find "my" LEVITANS before 1900, so am hoping I can find a lead by following the wife, Mary nee RABINOWITZ. Anyone have this family on their tree? I've looked for info online, but can't find anything that I can definitively trace back to this particular RABINOWITZ/ROBBINS family. Thanks for any help, Joe Lonstein East Lansing, MI MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information. Sugestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the list.
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Vilna address help #2: Makowa street?
#lithuania
MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
Hi folks,
I have another family address >from pre-war Vilna that I am hoping to identify. The address is in Hebrew on a Yad Vashem Page of Testimony for Judit Miasnik. Judit was 4 years old when she was killed in the Ponar woods. She was the granddaughter of Dwora (nee Landsman) Miasnik, who was my grandmother's sister. Dwora and her family (except for one child) were the only Landsman in Dwora's family not to emigrate to Boston. The address can be seen at http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_2KE/.cmd/acd/.ar/sa.portlet.VictimDetailsSubmitAction/.c/6_0_1L5/.ce/7_0_2KI/.p/5_0_2E6?victim_details_id=971357&victim_details_name=Miasnik+Judith&q1=nA62GNJSt5o%3D&q2=5kVz6eS0ekg%2FuAS7V9Gp%2FGk6wZorpykq&q3=4r6vLOseA9U%3D&q4=4r6vLOseA9U%3D&q5=WkQ9L33Pqao%3D&q6=7eKYwrBQSqQ%3D&q7=1X0AmRKPa%2BHsyCK6TD9al4T3FOJVehHC&frm1_npage=1 or by searching the Vad Vashem Shoah Names Database for 'Judit Miasnik'. To my eye, it seems like it might be something like Makowa street #15......anyone familiar with Vilna streets able to confirm or correct this? Thanks, Marty Meyers researching in Vilna: Landsman, Finberg, Miasnik
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Khatskel & Nechamiya
#lithuania
Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
Thank you to all who responded to my inquiry about these names and
their possible relationship to each other. Interestingly, I had forgotten about another instance in the same family where I was able to confirm that a man with FOUR different names in the databases was, indeed, the same person. In that case the names were Germal / German / Girsh / Irmie. I can't remember off hand, but I seem to recall that Germal and Irmie were related names (Yeremiah) but that Girsh was a totally different origin. No idea about German. Several different records did confirm, however, that they were the same person. I think that the gentleman who suggested that Khatskel and Nechamiya may have been two names used by the same person may have been correct. Now....if could just find one more record on this guy........ Elaine Bush erbush@phch.org http://elainebush.tribalpages.com
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Vilna address help #2: Makowa street?
#lithuania
MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
Hi folks,
I have another family address >from pre-war Vilna that I am hoping to identify. The address is in Hebrew on a Yad Vashem Page of Testimony for Judit Miasnik. Judit was 4 years old when she was killed in the Ponar woods. She was the granddaughter of Dwora (nee Landsman) Miasnik, who was my grandmother's sister. Dwora and her family (except for one child) were the only Landsman in Dwora's family not to emigrate to Boston. The address can be seen at http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_2KE/.cmd/acd/.ar/sa.portlet.VictimDetailsSubmitAction/.c/6_0_1L5/.ce/7_0_2KI/.p/5_0_2E6?victim_details_id=971357&victim_details_name=Miasnik+Judith&q1=nA62GNJSt5o%3D&q2=5kVz6eS0ekg%2FuAS7V9Gp%2FGk6wZorpykq&q3=4r6vLOseA9U%3D&q4=4r6vLOseA9U%3D&q5=WkQ9L33Pqao%3D&q6=7eKYwrBQSqQ%3D&q7=1X0AmRKPa%2BHsyCK6TD9al4T3FOJVehHC&frm1_npage=1 or by searching the Vad Vashem Shoah Names Database for 'Judit Miasnik'. To my eye, it seems like it might be something like Makowa street #15......anyone familiar with Vilna streets able to confirm or correct this? Thanks, Marty Meyers researching in Vilna: Landsman, Finberg, Miasnik
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Khatskel & Nechamiya
#lithuania
Elaine Bush <erbush@...>
Thank you to all who responded to my inquiry about these names and
their possible relationship to each other. Interestingly, I had forgotten about another instance in the same family where I was able to confirm that a man with FOUR different names in the databases was, indeed, the same person. In that case the names were Germal / German / Girsh / Irmie. I can't remember off hand, but I seem to recall that Germal and Irmie were related names (Yeremiah) but that Girsh was a totally different origin. No idea about German. Several different records did confirm, however, that they were the same person. I think that the gentleman who suggested that Khatskel and Nechamiya may have been two names used by the same person may have been correct. Now....if could just find one more record on this guy........ Elaine Bush erbush@phch.org http://elainebush.tribalpages.com
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What's in a Name? ~ A LitvakSIG Online Journal E-Publication
#lithuania
Judith27
Dear LitvakSIGdom,
In "What's in a Name? The Problem of Name Changes in the Search for Family Roots," a new article e-published by the LitvakSIG Online Journal, Professor Gilbert Herbert writes about the challenges he confronted and surmounted researching names, both given names and surnames, in his family. As the author writes, "Some of these changes to given and family names are voluntary, some imposed, some cultural adaptations, and some mistakes when converting >from one language to another. If there is no written account of these name changes, what will a future family historian, a hundred years from now, make of our multiple identities? This problem is the centraltheme of this article. I do not pretend to be an expert on Jewish names and their derivations, leaving these topics to the professionals, the Alexander Beiders and the Jerry Estersons. I deal here with the phenomenon of name changes in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and the ways in which such changes complicate the task of the amateur genealogist, from a purely personal point of view, and I am focusing on a specific casestudy: the enigma of the derivation of my family name: HERBERT." To read more about the possible ties between names such as Eta YERUSALIMSKI and Howard FAST, or Haim Zeev YABLOTCHNIK and Simon HERBERT, including the All Lithuania Database and even a Trinidad connection, please visit http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/whatsinaname.htm The LitvakSIG Online Journal strives to provide you with a wide range of articles. Some articles,such as "Memorials for Lithuanian Shtetls in Cholon, Israel," provide a pictorial tour of memorial matzevot. Others, such as "My Childhood in Trishik: Recollections of a Lithuanian Shtetl,"offer both background and insight into Lithuanian Jewish Life and History in the late 1800s. The LitvakSIG Online Journal also provides a place for creative writing, including memoirs, and fiction, as well as a full poetry page. To peruse the full wealth of additional articles available to you via the LitvakSIG Online Journal, please consult the Table of Contents at http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm If you have an article or poem you have written you would like to submit to the LitvakSIG Online Journal during the Fall-Winter Reading Period, please e-mail me at Judith27@aol.com Happy Chanukah! Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Editor LitvakSIG Online Journal
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania What's in a Name? ~ A LitvakSIG Online Journal E-Publication
#lithuania
Judith27
Dear LitvakSIGdom,
In "What's in a Name? The Problem of Name Changes in the Search for Family Roots," a new article e-published by the LitvakSIG Online Journal, Professor Gilbert Herbert writes about the challenges he confronted and surmounted researching names, both given names and surnames, in his family. As the author writes, "Some of these changes to given and family names are voluntary, some imposed, some cultural adaptations, and some mistakes when converting >from one language to another. If there is no written account of these name changes, what will a future family historian, a hundred years from now, make of our multiple identities? This problem is the centraltheme of this article. I do not pretend to be an expert on Jewish names and their derivations, leaving these topics to the professionals, the Alexander Beiders and the Jerry Estersons. I deal here with the phenomenon of name changes in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and the ways in which such changes complicate the task of the amateur genealogist, from a purely personal point of view, and I am focusing on a specific casestudy: the enigma of the derivation of my family name: HERBERT." To read more about the possible ties between names such as Eta YERUSALIMSKI and Howard FAST, or Haim Zeev YABLOTCHNIK and Simon HERBERT, including the All Lithuania Database and even a Trinidad connection, please visit http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/whatsinaname.htm The LitvakSIG Online Journal strives to provide you with a wide range of articles. Some articles,such as "Memorials for Lithuanian Shtetls in Cholon, Israel," provide a pictorial tour of memorial matzevot. Others, such as "My Childhood in Trishik: Recollections of a Lithuanian Shtetl,"offer both background and insight into Lithuanian Jewish Life and History in the late 1800s. The LitvakSIG Online Journal also provides a place for creative writing, including memoirs, and fiction, as well as a full poetry page. To peruse the full wealth of additional articles available to you via the LitvakSIG Online Journal, please consult the Table of Contents at http://www.jewishgen.org/Litvak/HTML/OnlineJournals/Journal.htm If you have an article or poem you have written you would like to submit to the LitvakSIG Online Journal during the Fall-Winter Reading Period, please e-mail me at Judith27@aol.com Happy Chanukah! Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Editor LitvakSIG Online Journal
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Remarriage interval for widower
#general
Debbie Lifshitz
Audrey Jacobus wrote:
"My very observant zeide re married in a registry office only 6 months after his 2nd wife's death. I believe the "Shulchan Aruch" requires a 3 Tomtov interval for a widower unless there are special circumstances - he had none: (he was 66) and had no Beth Din certificate Yet I am told there is no asolute Halaichic rule requiring the long interval and a widower can remarry after a short period of mourning - so I am confused: What weight does the Shulchan Aruch have in this matter ?" Jewish law is very clear: A man may not marry before the 30 day perscribed mourning period is over, a woman must wait (whether divorced or widowed) 90 days. The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch suggests a 3 Yom-Tov wait (excluding the New Year, Day of Atonement and 8th day of Tabernacles-Shmini Atzeret, which don't count). However this was a ruling only in those communities that had the custom. Other communities did not observe this custom. so it would depend where your uncle was >from and what the norm was in that community. The gold standard was and is, 30 days for a widower. Happy (end of ) Chanukah Debbie Lifschitz MODERATOR NOTE: Halachic issues are off-topic in this forum and further discussion should take place privately. Genealogical relevance will, of course, be posted.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Remarriage interval for widower
#general
Debbie Lifshitz
Audrey Jacobus wrote:
"My very observant zeide re married in a registry office only 6 months after his 2nd wife's death. I believe the "Shulchan Aruch" requires a 3 Tomtov interval for a widower unless there are special circumstances - he had none: (he was 66) and had no Beth Din certificate Yet I am told there is no asolute Halaichic rule requiring the long interval and a widower can remarry after a short period of mourning - so I am confused: What weight does the Shulchan Aruch have in this matter ?" Jewish law is very clear: A man may not marry before the 30 day perscribed mourning period is over, a woman must wait (whether divorced or widowed) 90 days. The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch suggests a 3 Yom-Tov wait (excluding the New Year, Day of Atonement and 8th day of Tabernacles-Shmini Atzeret, which don't count). However this was a ruling only in those communities that had the custom. Other communities did not observe this custom. so it would depend where your uncle was >from and what the norm was in that community. The gold standard was and is, 30 days for a widower. Happy (end of ) Chanukah Debbie Lifschitz MODERATOR NOTE: Halachic issues are off-topic in this forum and further discussion should take place privately. Genealogical relevance will, of course, be posted.
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travel guide for trip from Kiev to Lubny
#ukraine
Gayle Schlissel Riley
I am in search of a travel guide to go >from Kiev to
Lubny in the Ukraine. If you know of someone reasonable response privately to me. Please Gayle >from San Gabriel MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may wish to consider JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers tours. Check the website at http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine travel guide for trip from Kiev to Lubny
#ukraine
Gayle Schlissel Riley
I am in search of a travel guide to go >from Kiev to
Lubny in the Ukraine. If you know of someone reasonable response privately to me. Please Gayle >from San Gabriel MODERATOR'S NOTE: You may wish to consider JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers tours. Check the website at http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSchleppers/
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