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Mariem GURWICZ MEKLER's death (1993, Metz) -- questions about the death record, community records, locating a will, and more #france

Renee Steinig
 

A "Copie Integrale" of the "Acte de Deces" of Mariem GURWICZ states
that she died in Metz on 11 April 1993, and includes her address and
place of death, her birth date and place (12 Dec. 1908 Miedzyrec
Podlaski, Poland), and the names of her husband (Berek MEKLER) and
parents (Awadii GURWICZ and Gitli Hindy FUCHS).

The second paragraph of this document, says "Dresse le 14 avril 1993 a
12 heures 45 minutes sur la declaration de Leon ELALOUF, 49 and,
Ministre du Culte a Metz 39, rue du Rabbin Elie Bloch, qui, lecture
faite et invite a lire l'acte, a signe avec Nous..."

from the reference to Leon Elalouf as a "Ministre du Culte" and then
some googling, I believe he worked for the Jewish community of Metz --
probably as a cantor, teacher, and/or kashrut supervisor, and retired
to Israel in 2009. (See http://www.cimetz.org/fr/?cat=1&paged=2 and
http://judaisme.sdv.fr/histoire/villes/metz/sefarad/sef5.htm.)

I will try to contact Leon Elalouf, but for now I'm wondering...

- Would M. Elalouf have attested to Mariem Gurwicz Mekler's death as
part of his community responsibilities or does the appearance of his
name on the record suggest a personal relationship with Mariem? If he
did not know Mariem personally, are there communal records which would
have contained the detailed birth and family information he provided?
If so, would these records also include children's names? And would
they have been retained after Mariem's death?

- Does anyone know anything more about Mariem and her husband, Berek
Mekler, and in particular, whether they had any children?

- Might Mariem's will (if she had one) be a source of family
information? If so and it's a public document, where do I search for
it?

Many thanks in advance for any insights you can provide.

Renee

--
Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.com


French SIG #France Mariem GURWICZ MEKLER's death (1993, Metz) -- questions about the death record, community records, locating a will, and more #france

Renee Steinig
 

A "Copie Integrale" of the "Acte de Deces" of Mariem GURWICZ states
that she died in Metz on 11 April 1993, and includes her address and
place of death, her birth date and place (12 Dec. 1908 Miedzyrec
Podlaski, Poland), and the names of her husband (Berek MEKLER) and
parents (Awadii GURWICZ and Gitli Hindy FUCHS).

The second paragraph of this document, says "Dresse le 14 avril 1993 a
12 heures 45 minutes sur la declaration de Leon ELALOUF, 49 and,
Ministre du Culte a Metz 39, rue du Rabbin Elie Bloch, qui, lecture
faite et invite a lire l'acte, a signe avec Nous..."

from the reference to Leon Elalouf as a "Ministre du Culte" and then
some googling, I believe he worked for the Jewish community of Metz --
probably as a cantor, teacher, and/or kashrut supervisor, and retired
to Israel in 2009. (See http://www.cimetz.org/fr/?cat=1&paged=2 and
http://judaisme.sdv.fr/histoire/villes/metz/sefarad/sef5.htm.)

I will try to contact Leon Elalouf, but for now I'm wondering...

- Would M. Elalouf have attested to Mariem Gurwicz Mekler's death as
part of his community responsibilities or does the appearance of his
name on the record suggest a personal relationship with Mariem? If he
did not know Mariem personally, are there communal records which would
have contained the detailed birth and family information he provided?
If so, would these records also include children's names? And would
they have been retained after Mariem's death?

- Does anyone know anything more about Mariem and her husband, Berek
Mekler, and in particular, whether they had any children?

- Might Mariem's will (if she had one) be a source of family
information? If so and it's a public document, where do I search for
it?

Many thanks in advance for any insights you can provide.

Renee

--
Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.com


Searching: LITTLESTONE from Vawkavysk/Volkovysk #belarus

Rod O'Donoghue <rod@...>
 

Am undertaking research for a Jewish cousin whose gggrandfather (b.c.1826)
came >from Vawkavysk and arrived in the East End of London in c.1875

My questions are:
What would LITTLESTONE name have been locally in Hebrew?
Are there any other folk with this heritage out there?
What is the possibility of finding local records pre 1875?
An ancestor is described as a lindslling glazier in the 1881 UK census -
what does lindslling signify?

Thanks in advance

Rod O'Donoghue
London, UK


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: LITTLESTONE from Vawkavysk/Volkovysk #belarus

Rod O'Donoghue <rod@...>
 

Am undertaking research for a Jewish cousin whose gggrandfather (b.c.1826)
came >from Vawkavysk and arrived in the East End of London in c.1875

My questions are:
What would LITTLESTONE name have been locally in Hebrew?
Are there any other folk with this heritage out there?
What is the possibility of finding local records pre 1875?
An ancestor is described as a lindslling glazier in the 1881 UK census -
what does lindslling signify?

Thanks in advance

Rod O'Donoghue
London, UK


Re: Kopaigorod Podolier #ukraine

Doug Cohen
 

According to Where Once We Walked, Kopaygorod, Ukr had a prewar Jewish
population of 1,595 and is located 65 km SW of Vinniytsya at 46o52'/27o47'.

Zhvanets, Ukr whose Yiddish name was Zvanitz, had a pre-war Jewish
population of 1,383 and is located 50 km NE of Chernivitsi at coordinates
48o33'/26o30'.

Hope this helps!

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
Sarasota, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: I Sechzer [mailto:sechzer_arch@yahoo.com],wrote in part:


Below are (2) funeral / obituary announcements for my grandfather, who was
also known in New York as Sol Sechzer.
Can anyone help me find out about this town and about the organizations
noted on the announcement?

Please note the cemetery listing is Kopaigorod Podolier

Thank you
Inda Sechzer, New Jersey, USA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kopaigorod Podolier #ukraine

Doug Cohen
 

According to Where Once We Walked, Kopaygorod, Ukr had a prewar Jewish
population of 1,595 and is located 65 km SW of Vinniytsya at 46o52'/27o47'.

Zhvanets, Ukr whose Yiddish name was Zvanitz, had a pre-war Jewish
population of 1,383 and is located 50 km NE of Chernivitsi at coordinates
48o33'/26o30'.

Hope this helps!

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
Sarasota, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: I Sechzer [mailto:sechzer_arch@yahoo.com],wrote in part:


Below are (2) funeral / obituary announcements for my grandfather, who was
also known in New York as Sol Sechzer.
Can anyone help me find out about this town and about the organizations
noted on the announcement?

Please note the cemetery listing is Kopaigorod Podolier

Thank you
Inda Sechzer, New Jersey, USA


More Galician Programming & Ask the Archival Experts at the IAJGS Conference #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

Dear IAJGS Conference Attendees:

In addition to the IAJGS Conference programs listed in the July 19,
2013 digest of Gesher Galicia & the IAJGS Conference, we want to list
some other programs being presented by our members that may be of
interest to those researching Galicia & more:

Sunday, August 4 - Franklin Room, 4th Floor

3:15PM - 5:00 PM - Film: "General Anders Army"

This documentary tells the fascinating story of the Poles deported
from Eastern Poland to USSR, evacuating >from USSR after Germany
attacked and forming an army that fought in Italy. Many of the Jewish
soldiers who were in the Anders Army were >from Galicia and film
contains original footage; The film will be presented by Julian
Bussgang, who was born in Lviv (Lwow) and is a longtime member of
Gesher Galicia. (Julian presented a memorable talk at the Polish
Embassy in Washington during the DC 2011 IAJGS Conference on this
topic, so you won't want to miss this film and discussion afterwards.)

Wednesday, August 6 - Plaza Ballroom, Mezzanine

2:00PM - 3:15PM - "Books of Residents and Other Valuable Polish
Sources" ( i.e., sources in addition to metrical records )- Fay and
Julian Bussgang

Even if vital records for Polish towns are missing or incomplete, you
may be able to gather significant information about your family from
lesser-known but extremely valuable sources. The most informative of
these are Books of Residents (Ksiegi Ludnosci). These 19th=9620th
century municipal registration books, which have survived for many
towns, contain detailed information, organized by address, about all
the inhabitants in each household who had their legal residence in
that community. Other useful documents include survivor and ghetto
lists, kahal and synagogue records, notary records, city and business
directories, regional almanacs, passport applications, and
professional and military records. Examples of data >from the above
sources will be shown as illustration.

_________________________________

I also want to bring another program to your attention. I'm
moderating a panel of archival experts which will be an entire 75
minutes devoted to your questions and their answers. Many researchers
find their ancestry crosses modern borders and the records are held in
a variety of archives. This session will offer nine archival experts
to offer guidance on where and how to search. In some cases the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum, the LDS FamilySearch, or the Central
Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem may
have microfilmed or digitized records held in foreign archives, so you
may discover other ways to find the information you need without
traveling abroad or hiring a researcher. On the other hand, there are
some records which can only be found in the archives and you'll learn
about those, along with how to expand your research beyond just vital
records. Here is the info:

Wednesday, August 6 - Imperial Ballroom

3:30PM - 5:00PM - "Ask the Archival Experts"

Are you an experienced genealogist with a research problem you=92ve
found insurmountable or a budding beginner seeking guidance on where
to start your =93rigid search" (as Jonathan Safran Foer put it in
=93Everything is Illuminated) in overseas archives? Get help from
experts who are knowledgeable about archives >from Budapest to
Berdychiv, Lviv to Lodz, Jihlava to Jerusalem. You'll learn what's
new at a variety of international research hubs and what's planned for
the future of Jewish genealogical archival research. Internet
resources for accessing digital archival content will be covered and
no question is too difficult or demanding. Audience participation =96
if you know something they don=92t =96 will be part of the mix.

Our Experts:
Alexander Dunai - Ukraine, Poland & Galicia
Howard Margol - Lithuania
Lenka Matusikova - Czech Repulic
E. Randol Schoenberg - Austria & the Czech Republic
Robinn Magid - Poland
Zsuzsanna Toronyi - Hungary
Israel Pickholtz - Israel
Yefim Kogan - Bessarabia & Romania
Pamela Weisberger - Poland, Hungary & Galicia

If you cannot attend the conference -- or can't make every session --
most of the talks will be offered as audio (and some video)
recordings, and selected talks, including "Ask the Archival Experts"
will be offered as an online streaming presentation for a fee. Look
for the word LIVE! in the online program schedule. The conference
organizers will be providing info on that soon.

Pamela Weisberger
Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine More Galician Programming & Ask the Archival Experts at the IAJGS Conference #ukraine

Pamela Weisberger
 

Dear IAJGS Conference Attendees:

In addition to the IAJGS Conference programs listed in the July 19,
2013 digest of Gesher Galicia & the IAJGS Conference, we want to list
some other programs being presented by our members that may be of
interest to those researching Galicia & more:

Sunday, August 4 - Franklin Room, 4th Floor

3:15PM - 5:00 PM - Film: "General Anders Army"

This documentary tells the fascinating story of the Poles deported
from Eastern Poland to USSR, evacuating >from USSR after Germany
attacked and forming an army that fought in Italy. Many of the Jewish
soldiers who were in the Anders Army were >from Galicia and film
contains original footage; The film will be presented by Julian
Bussgang, who was born in Lviv (Lwow) and is a longtime member of
Gesher Galicia. (Julian presented a memorable talk at the Polish
Embassy in Washington during the DC 2011 IAJGS Conference on this
topic, so you won't want to miss this film and discussion afterwards.)

Wednesday, August 6 - Plaza Ballroom, Mezzanine

2:00PM - 3:15PM - "Books of Residents and Other Valuable Polish
Sources" ( i.e., sources in addition to metrical records )- Fay and
Julian Bussgang

Even if vital records for Polish towns are missing or incomplete, you
may be able to gather significant information about your family from
lesser-known but extremely valuable sources. The most informative of
these are Books of Residents (Ksiegi Ludnosci). These 19th=9620th
century municipal registration books, which have survived for many
towns, contain detailed information, organized by address, about all
the inhabitants in each household who had their legal residence in
that community. Other useful documents include survivor and ghetto
lists, kahal and synagogue records, notary records, city and business
directories, regional almanacs, passport applications, and
professional and military records. Examples of data >from the above
sources will be shown as illustration.

_________________________________

I also want to bring another program to your attention. I'm
moderating a panel of archival experts which will be an entire 75
minutes devoted to your questions and their answers. Many researchers
find their ancestry crosses modern borders and the records are held in
a variety of archives. This session will offer nine archival experts
to offer guidance on where and how to search. In some cases the US
Holocaust Memorial Museum, the LDS FamilySearch, or the Central
Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) in Jerusalem may
have microfilmed or digitized records held in foreign archives, so you
may discover other ways to find the information you need without
traveling abroad or hiring a researcher. On the other hand, there are
some records which can only be found in the archives and you'll learn
about those, along with how to expand your research beyond just vital
records. Here is the info:

Wednesday, August 6 - Imperial Ballroom

3:30PM - 5:00PM - "Ask the Archival Experts"

Are you an experienced genealogist with a research problem you=92ve
found insurmountable or a budding beginner seeking guidance on where
to start your =93rigid search" (as Jonathan Safran Foer put it in
=93Everything is Illuminated) in overseas archives? Get help from
experts who are knowledgeable about archives >from Budapest to
Berdychiv, Lviv to Lodz, Jihlava to Jerusalem. You'll learn what's
new at a variety of international research hubs and what's planned for
the future of Jewish genealogical archival research. Internet
resources for accessing digital archival content will be covered and
no question is too difficult or demanding. Audience participation =96
if you know something they don=92t =96 will be part of the mix.

Our Experts:
Alexander Dunai - Ukraine, Poland & Galicia
Howard Margol - Lithuania
Lenka Matusikova - Czech Repulic
E. Randol Schoenberg - Austria & the Czech Republic
Robinn Magid - Poland
Zsuzsanna Toronyi - Hungary
Israel Pickholtz - Israel
Yefim Kogan - Bessarabia & Romania
Pamela Weisberger - Poland, Hungary & Galicia

If you cannot attend the conference -- or can't make every session --
most of the talks will be offered as audio (and some video)
recordings, and selected talks, including "Ask the Archival Experts"
will be offered as an online streaming presentation for a fee. Look
for the word LIVE! in the online program schedule. The conference
organizers will be providing info on that soon.

Pamela Weisberger
Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@gmail.com


Re: Rare footage of shtetl life #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Danielle Weiner wrote
A friend sent this rare footage of shtetl life before
the war. It is
definitely worth a look if you have not seen it.

snip........

Or directly:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnMrGy9LYk>
[easier when using a youtube app. on a mobile device]

I would also recommend this one for us genealogophils,
as pointed to in the above film:

Behind the Scenes - Plonsk: Identifying a Town
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKTj8axjfc>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]:
<http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rare footage of shtetl life #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Danielle Weiner wrote
A friend sent this rare footage of shtetl life before
the war. It is
definitely worth a look if you have not seen it.

snip........

Or directly:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnMrGy9LYk>
[easier when using a youtube app. on a mobile device]

I would also recommend this one for us genealogophils,
as pointed to in the above film:

Behind the Scenes - Plonsk: Identifying a Town
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKTj8axjfc>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]:
<http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


Jonava and Trakai #general

Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
 

Hi, all,
I am in the middle of a two-week trip to the Baltic States. I will be in
Lithuania by the end of this week and am planning on spending a morning in
Jonava, the Milner family home town. There are no specific places I want to
visit. The cemetery does not list any Milners. It suddenly struck me that
some of you may have personal contacts in Jonava who I could meet and greet.
I did not do my homework before I left so I don't have Judy Baston's email
address. Or Peggy's. please remind me who did the Jonava census work and
how to contact them!
I really feel that I am about to come home! Any ideas? Thanks!
Fred Millner

MODERATOR NOTE: private responses please


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jonava and Trakai #general

Fred Millner <flmillner@...>
 

Hi, all,
I am in the middle of a two-week trip to the Baltic States. I will be in
Lithuania by the end of this week and am planning on spending a morning in
Jonava, the Milner family home town. There are no specific places I want to
visit. The cemetery does not list any Milners. It suddenly struck me that
some of you may have personal contacts in Jonava who I could meet and greet.
I did not do my homework before I left so I don't have Judy Baston's email
address. Or Peggy's. please remind me who did the Jonava census work and
how to contact them!
I really feel that I am about to come home! Any ideas? Thanks!
Fred Millner

MODERATOR NOTE: private responses please


Descendents of Joseph Samuels #galicia

Arlene Beare
 

I am looking for the descendants of Joseph Samuels. In the 1891
England census he gives his place of origin as Lochlin. This may be
Zyechlin incorrectly written down by the clerk. He lived in East End of
London, married a Dora Dembinski, and had 11 children named Rose,
Ada, Susan, Sarah, Israel, Annie, Eva, Louis, Abraham, Phillip and
Rebecca.

His brother Benjamin gives his place of origin in 1911 as Krakow so
I do not know where they originated as they may have been born in
one place and then moved somewhere else.

If anyone recognises any of these names I would really appreciate
hearing >from you.

Arlene Beare
UK
Researching
Dorfman - Birzai Lithuania and Riga Latvia.
Blum and Sher - Pandelys Lithuania and Riga Latvia.
Berman - Lygumai Lithuania and Jekabpils Latvia.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Descendents of Joseph Samuels #galicia

Arlene Beare
 

I am looking for the descendants of Joseph Samuels. In the 1891
England census he gives his place of origin as Lochlin. This may be
Zyechlin incorrectly written down by the clerk. He lived in East End of
London, married a Dora Dembinski, and had 11 children named Rose,
Ada, Susan, Sarah, Israel, Annie, Eva, Louis, Abraham, Phillip and
Rebecca.

His brother Benjamin gives his place of origin in 1911 as Krakow so
I do not know where they originated as they may have been born in
one place and then moved somewhere else.

If anyone recognises any of these names I would really appreciate
hearing >from you.

Arlene Beare
UK
Researching
Dorfman - Birzai Lithuania and Riga Latvia.
Blum and Sher - Pandelys Lithuania and Riga Latvia.
Berman - Lygumai Lithuania and Jekabpils Latvia.


Re: Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Marianne Handler asked about the usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy
based on a Telegraph article. If you only looked at the results >from your
test alone, the article is right. For that reason, I would not take any
autosomal testing because I believed the results would not answer any of
the questions that I have. However, I did ordered a test kit for someone
else because it may answer something for that person. Looking at the
results >from any test, one get a series of values that are meaningless by
themselves. For example what does one's blood pressure values mean unless
you are comparing them to some standard. However, there are no standard
values for the results >from any genealogy DNA testing. What one should do
is to use the results as a starting point for more research. If the
results are >from Y or mtDNA testing, an excellent way of starting is to
join the proper haplogroup project(s). (I am a member of 4 Y-haplogroups
projects, J, J2, J2b and J2b_455-8.) FamilyTreeDNA is an excellent place
to find them and for a small fee, one can transfer your information from
other companies to them. By looking at others in the projects, you can
get better time estimates of your common ancestors. For example, I am one
marker off on 37 markers to person X. By using everyone in one haplogroup
project, I discovered that my mutation happened about 600 years ago.
Therefore X would not be very useful for my genealogy. For Ms. Handler's
brother, my suggestion would be the Y-testing at FamilyTreeDNA. This is
because half of his autosomal DNA is the same as her and the results will
show that they match on about 75% of it. (In the upcoming issue of
Avotaynu, I tried to explained to their readers why this is the case.)

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Descendants of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ #rabbinic

Tom Brodersen <tbrodersen@...>
 

My wife Nina C. Perlmutter is a descendant of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ
( the Yid Hakodesh, Holy Jew) but we are missing links in the chain
beyond her great-grandparents Nathan Finkelstein & Feigele ? b.
approx. 1868-1878. Any help would be appreciated.

Tom Brodersen
aka Uriel ben Avraham


DNA Research #DNA Re: Usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy #dna

Arline and Sidney Sachs
 

Marianne Handler asked about the usefulness of DNA testing in genealogy
based on a Telegraph article. If you only looked at the results >from your
test alone, the article is right. For that reason, I would not take any
autosomal testing because I believed the results would not answer any of
the questions that I have. However, I did ordered a test kit for someone
else because it may answer something for that person. Looking at the
results >from any test, one get a series of values that are meaningless by
themselves. For example what does one's blood pressure values mean unless
you are comparing them to some standard. However, there are no standard
values for the results >from any genealogy DNA testing. What one should do
is to use the results as a starting point for more research. If the
results are >from Y or mtDNA testing, an excellent way of starting is to
join the proper haplogroup project(s). (I am a member of 4 Y-haplogroups
projects, J, J2, J2b and J2b_455-8.) FamilyTreeDNA is an excellent place
to find them and for a small fee, one can transfer your information from
other companies to them. By looking at others in the projects, you can
get better time estimates of your common ancestors. For example, I am one
marker off on 37 markers to person X. By using everyone in one haplogroup
project, I discovered that my mutation happened about 600 years ago.
Therefore X would not be very useful for my genealogy. For Ms. Handler's
brother, my suggestion would be the Y-testing at FamilyTreeDNA. This is
because half of his autosomal DNA is the same as her and the results will
show that they match on about 75% of it. (In the upcoming issue of
Avotaynu, I tried to explained to their readers why this is the case.)

Sidney Sachs
Lorton, VA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ #rabbinic

Tom Brodersen <tbrodersen@...>
 

My wife Nina C. Perlmutter is a descendant of Jacob Isaac RABINOWICZ
( the Yid Hakodesh, Holy Jew) but we are missing links in the chain
beyond her great-grandparents Nathan Finkelstein & Feigele ? b.
approx. 1868-1878. Any help would be appreciated.

Tom Brodersen
aka Uriel ben Avraham


Riglitz Rov Z"L #rabbinic

shimonsporn
 

On behalf of a family I am looking for any information on a
Rabbi of Riglitz (Ryglice, Galicia Poland) who was married to a
Sarah Schreibtafel. They had two daughters Chana and Baila.

thank you

Shimon Sporn
Ramat Beit Shamesh
shimonsporn@yahoo.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Riglitz Rov Z"L #rabbinic

shimonsporn
 

On behalf of a family I am looking for any information on a
Rabbi of Riglitz (Ryglice, Galicia Poland) who was married to a
Sarah Schreibtafel. They had two daughters Chana and Baila.

thank you

Shimon Sporn
Ramat Beit Shamesh
shimonsporn@yahoo.com

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