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Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda GREENWALD #rabbinic

nissen weisz
 

I'm researching about my grandfather Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda GREENWALD,
he was the rabbi of Ordarma, Ung, Hungary, today Storozhnytsia
Ukraine, he got married Dec. 09 1902 in Nagykapos, Ung, Slovakia, and
lived there till about 1911 when he moved to Ordarma, since he became
the rabbi over there, [but he still had some of children in
Nagykapos], on April 27 1918 his wife passed away in Nagykapos, when
she was giving birth to a child, he remarried and had more children
till his passing Jan. 11 1934, he was a weak person so he moved to
Ungvar, Ung, Hungary, today Uzhgorod Ukraine which was the big city of
area, and passed away there.

All that's written above is >from what we know in the family, I would
like to see the documents of the above mentioned cities, to know the
exact date of birth of his children, but I couldn't find anything, I
want to ask you if you know how to achieve the documents of any of the
above cities: Ordarma, Nagykapos, or Ungvar, please contact me.

Also if you have any information, or documentation, of the above
mentioned rabbi please provide me with a copy, or send me a link of
it.

Thanks in advance

Nissen Weisz
nissenweisz@gmail.com


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda GREENWALD #rabbinic

nissen weisz
 

I'm researching about my grandfather Rabbi Yekusiel Yehuda GREENWALD,
he was the rabbi of Ordarma, Ung, Hungary, today Storozhnytsia
Ukraine, he got married Dec. 09 1902 in Nagykapos, Ung, Slovakia, and
lived there till about 1911 when he moved to Ordarma, since he became
the rabbi over there, [but he still had some of children in
Nagykapos], on April 27 1918 his wife passed away in Nagykapos, when
she was giving birth to a child, he remarried and had more children
till his passing Jan. 11 1934, he was a weak person so he moved to
Ungvar, Ung, Hungary, today Uzhgorod Ukraine which was the big city of
area, and passed away there.

All that's written above is >from what we know in the family, I would
like to see the documents of the above mentioned cities, to know the
exact date of birth of his children, but I couldn't find anything, I
want to ask you if you know how to achieve the documents of any of the
above cities: Ordarma, Nagykapos, or Ungvar, please contact me.

Also if you have any information, or documentation, of the above
mentioned rabbi please provide me with a copy, or send me a link of
it.

Thanks in advance

Nissen Weisz
nissenweisz@gmail.com


IAJGS Conference? #france

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear fellow French-SIGgers,

Well so far I have had no response at all >from anyone who was planning
to attend, or even thinking of attending, the IAJGS Conference in
Seattle in August.

This is very discouraging. We are hoping to have at least one member of
the CGJ in Paris coming to Seattle. We have requested time for a SIG
meeting. We would like to hear >from members as to possible projects,
etc. You may have noticed the huge number of burials in French
cemeteries that have been added to the JOWBR database!

We have 886 members now subscribed. Surely there must be some among you
who are interested enough to come to the Conference, which is
concentrated on Sephardic genealogy, with so many of Sephardic descent
in France!

We do hope to hear >from some of you soon , particularly those who wish
to take advantage of the reduced rates before the end of April!

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators FrenchSIG


French SIG #France IAJGS Conference? #france

Rosanne Leeson
 

Dear fellow French-SIGgers,

Well so far I have had no response at all >from anyone who was planning
to attend, or even thinking of attending, the IAJGS Conference in
Seattle in August.

This is very discouraging. We are hoping to have at least one member of
the CGJ in Paris coming to Seattle. We have requested time for a SIG
meeting. We would like to hear >from members as to possible projects,
etc. You may have noticed the huge number of burials in French
cemeteries that have been added to the JOWBR database!

We have 886 members now subscribed. Surely there must be some among you
who are interested enough to come to the Conference, which is
concentrated on Sephardic genealogy, with so many of Sephardic descent
in France!

We do hope to hear >from some of you soon , particularly those who wish
to take advantage of the reduced rates before the end of April!

Rosanne Leeson
Pierre Hahn
Co-Coordinators FrenchSIG


Viewmate-Translation from Polish #poland

Sheryl Levin <slevin0715@...>
 

Hi All, I am looking for translations for the following birth records
posted to View Mate. They are all in Polish. Witness information is
not necessary. Please respond via the form provided in the View Mate
application.

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44313
Chaja Rochla Frydman 1848

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44314
Chaja Rochla Frydman 1853

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44315
Chajka Frydman 1852

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44320
Doba Frydman 1859

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44376
Szloma Zelman Frydman 1855

Thank you in advance,

Sheryl Levin
Voorhees, NJ


JRI Poland #Poland Viewmate-Translation from Polish #poland

Sheryl Levin <slevin0715@...>
 

Hi All, I am looking for translations for the following birth records
posted to View Mate. They are all in Polish. Witness information is
not necessary. Please respond via the form provided in the View Mate
application.

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44313
Chaja Rochla Frydman 1848

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44314
Chaja Rochla Frydman 1853

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44315
Chajka Frydman 1852

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44320
Doba Frydman 1859

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=44376
Szloma Zelman Frydman 1855

Thank you in advance,

Sheryl Levin
Voorhees, NJ


Braunstein #poland

Ilan Leibowitz
 

Shalom,
Looking for records on a Mordachi Braunstein.. He was the father of my
Grandmother Rebecca whom I believe was born in Dec 1885.. Her records
shows that she came >from Stanislaw!.. I do know that she arrived in
America in the early 1900's

My Grandmother Rebbecca died in 1958 approx age 72.. Never thought of
inquiring about her father, a Mordachi Braunstein. because we weren't
100% sure of her maiden name! She came to America in about 1902 and
was about 14-16 years of age!

Also looking for Any Records of a Hyman and Freida Feld( My grandfather
Israel Feld's parents) He was born about 1878 plus. Minus.. Also in the
Stanislaw are etc?

Thank you,
Ilan Leibowitz
Kibbutz Afikim
Israel


JRI Poland #Poland Braunstein #poland

Ilan Leibowitz
 

Shalom,
Looking for records on a Mordachi Braunstein.. He was the father of my
Grandmother Rebecca whom I believe was born in Dec 1885.. Her records
shows that she came >from Stanislaw!.. I do know that she arrived in
America in the early 1900's

My Grandmother Rebbecca died in 1958 approx age 72.. Never thought of
inquiring about her father, a Mordachi Braunstein. because we weren't
100% sure of her maiden name! She came to America in about 1902 and
was about 14-16 years of age!

Also looking for Any Records of a Hyman and Freida Feld( My grandfather
Israel Feld's parents) He was born about 1878 plus. Minus.. Also in the
Stanislaw are etc?

Thank you,
Ilan Leibowitz
Kibbutz Afikim
Israel


Suwalki area towns - more Jewish vital record scans online #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

More scans of Jewish vital records >from Bakalarzewo, Filipow,
Krasnopol, Sejny, Sereje, and Suwalki are now viewable online at
szukajwarchiwach.pl. Some of these scans have been online for months,
some are new. Some correspond to records in the public indices on
JRI-Poland.org.

To view the scans, first go to the list of groups of records at:

Bakalarzewo
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/197/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Filipow
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/198/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Krasnopol
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/199/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Sejny
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/207/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Sereje
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/203/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Suwalki
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/204/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Note the last column on the right, Number of Scans/Liczba Skanow. If
that is 0, there are no scans available for the group.

Clicking the title of a group (e.g., Ksiega urodzen) will bring up an
overview page, with a red tab at the top. Click the link to the right
of the red tab, Scans/Skany. This will lead to a group of thumbnail
images, 15 per page by default.

Clicking on a thumbnail will enlarge it. On the enlarged image, there
is an icon near the bottom right that looks like a white rectangle on
a black circle -- clicking that will open a new window to display a
high-resolution image. Because of the size of the high-resolution
image, it might not be fully visible on your screen, but you can
click, hold, and drag it with your mouse to change the visible region.
To save a high-resolution image to your computer, click the
Download/Pobierz link below the image, in the bottom center.

I have not examined these scans carefully, and I regret that I am not
able to offer individual assistance.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


JRI Poland #Poland Suwalki area towns - more Jewish vital record scans online #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

More scans of Jewish vital records >from Bakalarzewo, Filipow,
Krasnopol, Sejny, Sereje, and Suwalki are now viewable online at
szukajwarchiwach.pl. Some of these scans have been online for months,
some are new. Some correspond to records in the public indices on
JRI-Poland.org.

To view the scans, first go to the list of groups of records at:

Bakalarzewo
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/197/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Filipow
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/198/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Krasnopol
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/199/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Sejny
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/207/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Sereje
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/203/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Suwalki
http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/63/204/0/str/1/100#tabJednostki

Note the last column on the right, Number of Scans/Liczba Skanow. If
that is 0, there are no scans available for the group.

Clicking the title of a group (e.g., Ksiega urodzen) will bring up an
overview page, with a red tab at the top. Click the link to the right
of the red tab, Scans/Skany. This will lead to a group of thumbnail
images, 15 per page by default.

Clicking on a thumbnail will enlarge it. On the enlarged image, there
is an icon near the bottom right that looks like a white rectangle on
a black circle -- clicking that will open a new window to display a
high-resolution image. Because of the size of the high-resolution
image, it might not be fully visible on your screen, but you can
click, hold, and drag it with your mouse to change the visible region.
To save a high-resolution image to your computer, click the
Download/Pobierz link below the image, in the bottom center.

I have not examined these scans carefully, and I regret that I am not
able to offer individual assistance.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Tarnow - more Jewish vital record scans online #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

More scans of Jewish vital records >from Tarnow are now viewable online
at szukajwarchiwach.pl. Most, but not all, of these scans correspond
to records in the public indices on JRI-Poland.org.

To view the scans, first go to the list of groups of records, sorted
by type (e.g., birth, marriage, death) and date, at:

http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/33/276/0/str/1/200?ps=True#tabJednostki

Note the last column on the right, Number of Scans/Liczba Skanow. If
that is 0, there are no scans available for the group.

Clicking the title of a group (e.g., Ksiega urodzen) will bring up an
overview page, with a red tab at the top. Click the link to the right
of the red tab, Scans/Skany. This will lead to a group of thumbnail
images, 15 per page by default.

Clicking on a thumbnail will enlarge it. On the enlarged image, there
is an icon near the bottom right that looks like a white rectangle on
a black circle -- clicking that will open a new window to display a
high-resolution image. Because of the size of the high-resolution
image, it might not be fully visible on your screen, but you can
click, hold, and drag it with your mouse to change the visible region.
To save a high-resolution image to your computer, click the
Download/Pobierz link below the image, in the bottom center.

I have not examined these scans carefully, and I regret that I am not
able to offer individual assistance.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


JRI Poland #Poland Tarnow - more Jewish vital record scans online #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

More scans of Jewish vital records >from Tarnow are now viewable online
at szukajwarchiwach.pl. Most, but not all, of these scans correspond
to records in the public indices on JRI-Poland.org.

To view the scans, first go to the list of groups of records, sorted
by type (e.g., birth, marriage, death) and date, at:

http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/33/276/0/str/1/200?ps=True#tabJednostki

Note the last column on the right, Number of Scans/Liczba Skanow. If
that is 0, there are no scans available for the group.

Clicking the title of a group (e.g., Ksiega urodzen) will bring up an
overview page, with a red tab at the top. Click the link to the right
of the red tab, Scans/Skany. This will lead to a group of thumbnail
images, 15 per page by default.

Clicking on a thumbnail will enlarge it. On the enlarged image, there
is an icon near the bottom right that looks like a white rectangle on
a black circle -- clicking that will open a new window to display a
high-resolution image. Because of the size of the high-resolution
image, it might not be fully visible on your screen, but you can
click, hold, and drag it with your mouse to change the visible region.
To save a high-resolution image to your computer, click the
Download/Pobierz link below the image, in the bottom center.

I have not examined these scans carefully, and I regret that I am not
able to offer individual assistance.

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Re: The name MIkhel for a male, but spelled in Hebrew, like the feminine version of Michael. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Ok, I think I answered my own question. The Hebrew letters for the
Feminine name Michal is the same as Mikhel, but the ending is el rather
than al. It seems to be a Eastern European variant of the Hebrew name
Michael. I wonder if name is used at all in Israel these days. :) - Mark

On 4/6/2016 8:46 AM, Mark London wrote:
Hi - My gggrandfather's name was Mikhel, as transcribed in the
Lithuanian records. But the way it's written on his children's
gravestones, in America, it's spelled like the 4 letter Hebrew
feminine name Michal. So is Mikhel some Hebrew-Russian version name
of the normal male Hebrew name? The full name on the gravestones is
actually Aaron Mikhel, but Aaron is left off the Lithuanian records.
Just to make me more confused that ever. Any explanation? Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: The name MIkhel for a male, but spelled in Hebrew, like the feminine version of Michael. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Ok, I think I answered my own question. The Hebrew letters for the
Feminine name Michal is the same as Mikhel, but the ending is el rather
than al. It seems to be a Eastern European variant of the Hebrew name
Michael. I wonder if name is used at all in Israel these days. :) - Mark

On 4/6/2016 8:46 AM, Mark London wrote:
Hi - My gggrandfather's name was Mikhel, as transcribed in the
Lithuanian records. But the way it's written on his children's
gravestones, in America, it's spelled like the 4 letter Hebrew
feminine name Michal. So is Mikhel some Hebrew-Russian version name
of the normal male Hebrew name? The full name on the gravestones is
actually Aaron Mikhel, but Aaron is left off the Lithuanian records.
Just to make me more confused that ever. Any explanation? Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA


The name MIkhel for a male, but spelled in Hebrew, like the feminine version of Michael. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - My gggrandfather's name was Mikhel, as transcribed in the
Lithuanian records. But the way it's written on his children's
gravestones, in America, it's spelled like the 4 letter Hebrew feminine
name Michal. So is Mikhel some Hebrew-Russian version name of the
normal male Hebrew name? The full name on the gravestones is actually
Aaron Mikhel, but Aaron is left off the Lithuanian records. Just to
make me more confused that ever. Any explanation? Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania The name MIkhel for a male, but spelled in Hebrew, like the feminine version of Michael. #lithuania

Mark London <mrl@...>
 

Hi - My gggrandfather's name was Mikhel, as transcribed in the
Lithuanian records. But the way it's written on his children's
gravestones, in America, it's spelled like the 4 letter Hebrew feminine
name Michal. So is Mikhel some Hebrew-Russian version name of the
normal male Hebrew name? The full name on the gravestones is actually
Aaron Mikhel, but Aaron is left off the Lithuanian records. Just to
make me more confused that ever. Any explanation? Thanks.

Mark London
Natick, MA


Vast array of databases at this year's IAJGS Conference in Seattle Aug 7012 #yiddish

bounce-3125807-772983@...
 

The 36th annual conference of the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies will offer an extensive and rich array of
research databases at this year's conference at the lovely Sheraton
Hotel in the heart of downtown Seattle. The conference runs >from August
7 to 12, 2016. Banks of computers in the Sheraton's resource room will
be linked to a vast array of paid subscription and "behind the wall"
databases, all of which will be available for free.

Among the databases that will be running for the duration of the
conference are: the Ancestry family of websites (including
Ancestry.com, Fold3.com, Newspapers.com and Archives.com); FindMyPast;
GenTeam; MyHeritage family of websites (including MyHeritage.com,
Geni.com and World Vital Records); Godfrey.org; the New England Historic
Genealogical Society; Jewishdata.com; and many more. Yad Vashem and the
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum will also make their extensive
archives available through dedicated computers.

In addition, on Wednesday August 9, for one day only, the uniquely
comprehensive ProQuest newspaper archive will be available in its
entirety. "Last time we offered ProQuest, there were lines out the
door," says Jan Meisels Allen, who is in charge of the conference
databases. "Our conference has a unique emphasis on research," Allen
adds. "You can further your research while enjoying all the other
benefits of the conference."

This summer's conference will also feature a Jewish Film Festival put
together by leading Jewish film scholar and teacher of cinema Eric
Goldman. Other highlights of the Seattle conference include the opening
night keynote address by Dr. Devin Naar, chair of the University of
Washington Sephardic Studies Program, and the banquet address by "legal
genealogist" Judy Russell, a Certified Genealogist and Certified
Genealogical Lecturer. And, as at previous conferences, remote
streaming of selected programs will be available through LIVE!

The conference's Early Registration period, which runs until April 30,
offers the lowest fees, with savings of $55 for the full conference. For
more information, contact the conference co-chairs Janette Silverman,
Phyllis Grossman, and Chuck Weinstein through the conference website
www.iajgs2016.org.

Janette Silverman


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Vast array of databases at this year's IAJGS Conference in Seattle Aug 7012 #yiddish

bounce-3125807-772983@...
 

The 36th annual conference of the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies will offer an extensive and rich array of
research databases at this year's conference at the lovely Sheraton
Hotel in the heart of downtown Seattle. The conference runs >from August
7 to 12, 2016. Banks of computers in the Sheraton's resource room will
be linked to a vast array of paid subscription and "behind the wall"
databases, all of which will be available for free.

Among the databases that will be running for the duration of the
conference are: the Ancestry family of websites (including
Ancestry.com, Fold3.com, Newspapers.com and Archives.com); FindMyPast;
GenTeam; MyHeritage family of websites (including MyHeritage.com,
Geni.com and World Vital Records); Godfrey.org; the New England Historic
Genealogical Society; Jewishdata.com; and many more. Yad Vashem and the
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum will also make their extensive
archives available through dedicated computers.

In addition, on Wednesday August 9, for one day only, the uniquely
comprehensive ProQuest newspaper archive will be available in its
entirety. "Last time we offered ProQuest, there were lines out the
door," says Jan Meisels Allen, who is in charge of the conference
databases. "Our conference has a unique emphasis on research," Allen
adds. "You can further your research while enjoying all the other
benefits of the conference."

This summer's conference will also feature a Jewish Film Festival put
together by leading Jewish film scholar and teacher of cinema Eric
Goldman. Other highlights of the Seattle conference include the opening
night keynote address by Dr. Devin Naar, chair of the University of
Washington Sephardic Studies Program, and the banquet address by "legal
genealogist" Judy Russell, a Certified Genealogist and Certified
Genealogical Lecturer. And, as at previous conferences, remote
streaming of selected programs will be available through LIVE!

The conference's Early Registration period, which runs until April 30,
offers the lowest fees, with savings of $55 for the full conference. For
more information, contact the conference co-chairs Janette Silverman,
Phyllis Grossman, and Chuck Weinstein through the conference website
www.iajgs2016.org.

Janette Silverman


Re: What tests if any are available? #dna

Carolyn Lea
 

I would disagree with the answer given to your question. The surest
way to know which wife a descendant came >from is the use of mtDNA
which traces the female line. I used it for this exact purpose to
prove my great grandmother was the daughter of my 2nd great
grandmother (Elwine) and not another wife or family as a cousin
insisted. Turns out his ancestor was born to Elwine out of wedlock so
he may not be a Wiedebusch!

This will not distinguish between sisters however. If two of the wives
were sisters they will carry the same mtDNA. To do an mtDNA test you
will need to find a direct line female ancestor, i.e., mother to
daughter to daughter and so on. A male can be tested if he is the son
of the direct female descendant. He can not pass the mtDNA on so only
the son who is the immediate descendant will carry that mtDNA.

FF will only trace 4-5 generations back in general. And because of the
way recombination (the admixture you receive) works you may or may
not find enough DNA in an FF test to confirm a match. Because the FF
test crosses both genders you can not identify what DNA came from
whom. So a match could be >from either the shared father, i.e.,could be
from Borukh or >from some other family member you may share. It can
require far more tests, I have a (cousin?) that recently did the test
with a known cousin, and they did not match. Their shared ancestor is
a 3rd great grandparent on one side and a second great on the other.
However, they do match other people that both match. In my own line
many of my "second" cousins do not match my two siblings and vice
versa. Again, this is due to the admixture and the way the
recombination of DNA is passed down through our ancestors - one may
completely drop out in only a few generations or fall below the
testing companies threshold of matching - usually 7 cM. Which is like
what happened with my cousin and her paper documented cousin. The
fact that we belong to endogamous populations make our use of FF even
more difficult.

FF is useful and should not be dismissed - most people like it because
of the ethnic origins that it gives - which are the least accurate
part of the tests. You may want to try it with your 82 year old and
yourself as that would not be that many generations. However, how many
generations back is your common ancestor? A Y-DNA test would be most
conclusive. Let your known male descendants know that the DNA testing
done for genetics which looks at 23 chromosomes(22 plus the X) of the
entire genome is looking for likenesses - not what law enforcement is
looking for.. They are looking at what sets an individual apart from
others for more info on this read Judy Russell's blog,
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/ and go the the archives on DNA.

For example see this one:
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2016/01/26/ancestry-transparency-report/
[or http://tinyurl.com/zon4zff --Mod.]

see: http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2015/03/15/big-easy-dna-not-so-easy/
[or http://tinyurl.com/l3yp6qs --Mod.]

Also, on FF see this one:
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/09/02/the-atdna-gamble/

You should also check out Roberta Estes blog,
http://dna-explained.com/ and look for her blogs on the way DNA is
passed down and other DNA questions.

For example, here is a recent one:
http://dna-explained.com/2016/02/25/concepts-how-your-autosomal-dna-identifies-your-ancestors/
[or http://tinyurl.com/j2sy2nz --Mod.]

I was not surprised that I did not match my "cousin"? as we would be
too many generations back - or may just be related through marriages.
That will require far more research which we are working on but have
not gotten to the Polish records yet and that will be what we need as
any shared ancestor we may have between the 3-4 families would
likely be in the early to mid 1800s or earlier.

Best of luck,

Carolyn Lea, Ph.D.
LeacL7@gmail.com
OKC, OK

ID# 152314

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Hessen Kassel, Hamburg? Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia
BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia LEW(V)ISOHN Elbing, West
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DNA Research #DNA Re: What tests if any are available? #dna

Carolyn Lea
 

I would disagree with the answer given to your question. The surest
way to know which wife a descendant came >from is the use of mtDNA
which traces the female line. I used it for this exact purpose to
prove my great grandmother was the daughter of my 2nd great
grandmother (Elwine) and not another wife or family as a cousin
insisted. Turns out his ancestor was born to Elwine out of wedlock so
he may not be a Wiedebusch!

This will not distinguish between sisters however. If two of the wives
were sisters they will carry the same mtDNA. To do an mtDNA test you
will need to find a direct line female ancestor, i.e., mother to
daughter to daughter and so on. A male can be tested if he is the son
of the direct female descendant. He can not pass the mtDNA on so only
the son who is the immediate descendant will carry that mtDNA.

FF will only trace 4-5 generations back in general. And because of the
way recombination (the admixture you receive) works you may or may
not find enough DNA in an FF test to confirm a match. Because the FF
test crosses both genders you can not identify what DNA came from
whom. So a match could be >from either the shared father, i.e.,could be
from Borukh or >from some other family member you may share. It can
require far more tests, I have a (cousin?) that recently did the test
with a known cousin, and they did not match. Their shared ancestor is
a 3rd great grandparent on one side and a second great on the other.
However, they do match other people that both match. In my own line
many of my "second" cousins do not match my two siblings and vice
versa. Again, this is due to the admixture and the way the
recombination of DNA is passed down through our ancestors - one may
completely drop out in only a few generations or fall below the
testing companies threshold of matching - usually 7 cM. Which is like
what happened with my cousin and her paper documented cousin. The
fact that we belong to endogamous populations make our use of FF even
more difficult.

FF is useful and should not be dismissed - most people like it because
of the ethnic origins that it gives - which are the least accurate
part of the tests. You may want to try it with your 82 year old and
yourself as that would not be that many generations. However, how many
generations back is your common ancestor? A Y-DNA test would be most
conclusive. Let your known male descendants know that the DNA testing
done for genetics which looks at 23 chromosomes(22 plus the X) of the
entire genome is looking for likenesses - not what law enforcement is
looking for.. They are looking at what sets an individual apart from
others for more info on this read Judy Russell's blog,
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/ and go the the archives on DNA.

For example see this one:
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2016/01/26/ancestry-transparency-report/
[or http://tinyurl.com/zon4zff --Mod.]

see: http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2015/03/15/big-easy-dna-not-so-easy/
[or http://tinyurl.com/l3yp6qs --Mod.]

Also, on FF see this one:
http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2012/09/02/the-atdna-gamble/

You should also check out Roberta Estes blog,
http://dna-explained.com/ and look for her blogs on the way DNA is
passed down and other DNA questions.

For example, here is a recent one:
http://dna-explained.com/2016/02/25/concepts-how-your-autosomal-dna-identifies-your-ancestors/
[or http://tinyurl.com/j2sy2nz --Mod.]

I was not surprised that I did not match my "cousin"? as we would be
too many generations back - or may just be related through marriages.
That will require far more research which we are working on but have
not gotten to the Polish records yet and that will be what we need as
any shared ancestor we may have between the 3-4 families would
likely be in the early to mid 1800s or earlier.

Best of luck,

Carolyn Lea, Ph.D.
LeacL7@gmail.com
OKC, OK

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