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Re: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

It looks like the name is Gosza, but could also be Yosza... I have checked =
the gazetteers and I think it may be a misspelled 'Jozsa' which is a place =
near Debrecen.
But could the record have been written by a clerk and he wrote what he hear=
d? IF so then as a native speaker I would try to guess what it could have b=
een.

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com


Re: Copies of birth marriage death records #hungary

tom
 

To expand just a little bit on the moderator's comment:

to access films such as lds #642727, you need to sign up (it's free) at www.familysearch.org. that will give you access to the online facilities of the church of jesus christ (aka lds, latter day saints, or mormons), probably the largest collection of genealogical records in the world. they microfilmed a lot of the b/m/d records in greater hungary, and have now digitized much of their collection and put it online.

once logged in to familysearch.org, you can either search by name, or in this case, by film. in the upper right-hand corner there's a drop down menu that includes the option of searching the catalog, which in turn allows searching by place name, or film number. (sometimes film number can be confusing, in which case searching by town name works better.) the films that are available for viewing online display with a camera icon to the right. (some do not, either because they haven't been digitized yet, or because of legal restrictions on their distribution rights.)

when you open a film, it will display in a specialized viewer, which has single-frame and multiple-frame views, zoom, and the option to download pages. some films seem to not have the download feature available (possibly due to browser issues, or more legal snags). for those, you have to make do with what you see. (screen capture is good for easier reference.) once downloaded (or screen captured), you can save or print as required.

both jewishgen and familysearch have indices to the records, but i'm not sure whether they cover the same records, and in any event, there are lots of records that have not yet been indexed, and are only available by looking through the images. (in the case of my ancestral town of tiszaszentimre, there were several couples of childbearing age reproducing at about the same time, so it seems like every page has between one and four familiar names on it, and sometimes even two children in one family in the same year. flipping through those pages was quite rewarding.) and be prepared to do some slogging, as "films" can have many hundreds of page images.


good luck,


....... tom klein, toronto

afriedman21@gmail.com wrote:

I am new with the hungarian sig. Though the index, i have found
family several records that say the source is the slovak state archive
kosice and >from LDS (for example lds 642,727). How do i get a copy of
the original records?


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

It looks like the name is Gosza, but could also be Yosza... I have checked =
the gazetteers and I think it may be a misspelled 'Jozsa' which is a place =
near Debrecen.
But could the record have been written by a clerk and he wrote what he hear=
d? IF so then as a native speaker I would try to guess what it could have b=
een.

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Copies of birth marriage death records #hungary

tom
 

To expand just a little bit on the moderator's comment:

to access films such as lds #642727, you need to sign up (it's free) at www.familysearch.org. that will give you access to the online facilities of the church of jesus christ (aka lds, latter day saints, or mormons), probably the largest collection of genealogical records in the world. they microfilmed a lot of the b/m/d records in greater hungary, and have now digitized much of their collection and put it online.

once logged in to familysearch.org, you can either search by name, or in this case, by film. in the upper right-hand corner there's a drop down menu that includes the option of searching the catalog, which in turn allows searching by place name, or film number. (sometimes film number can be confusing, in which case searching by town name works better.) the films that are available for viewing online display with a camera icon to the right. (some do not, either because they haven't been digitized yet, or because of legal restrictions on their distribution rights.)

when you open a film, it will display in a specialized viewer, which has single-frame and multiple-frame views, zoom, and the option to download pages. some films seem to not have the download feature available (possibly due to browser issues, or more legal snags). for those, you have to make do with what you see. (screen capture is good for easier reference.) once downloaded (or screen captured), you can save or print as required.

both jewishgen and familysearch have indices to the records, but i'm not sure whether they cover the same records, and in any event, there are lots of records that have not yet been indexed, and are only available by looking through the images. (in the case of my ancestral town of tiszaszentimre, there were several couples of childbearing age reproducing at about the same time, so it seems like every page has between one and four familiar names on it, and sometimes even two children in one family in the same year. flipping through those pages was quite rewarding.) and be prepared to do some slogging, as "films" can have many hundreds of page images.


good luck,


....... tom klein, toronto

afriedman21@gmail.com wrote:

I am new with the hungarian sig. Though the index, i have found
family several records that say the source is the slovak state archive
kosice and >from LDS (for example lds 642,727). How do i get a copy of
the original records?


more about Subotica records #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

Andras Hirschler has sent me two pages of marriage and birth records >from Subotica which he indexed. but I don't think it's the records >from the Subotica Archives which I visited a few years ago.
I think his set is government vital records.Hungary started civil registration in 1886.
At the Subotica Archive is a set of records made by rabbis going back as early as 1850 or so and there are quite a few records. They include death records but for obvious reasons no birth records and certainly no birth type records for girls but they do have bris records. There are probably about 50 pages of records, although I only took copies of about 6 or 7 which had my family names: Hahn, Buchwald, Basch and Rex which is all I was allowed to have. The Archive was reluctant to let me have anything more.Â
If these records were ever to get indexed there would probably have to be significant negotiation and payment to the Archive.

Erica Hahn

Moderator: Hungary began civil registration in October 1895, not 1886.


Re: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

lesliedrewharris@...
 

Thank you to everyone who replied to my initial post.

I uploaded the main page of my grandfather's WWI Draft Registration
Card. You should be able to see it if you follow this link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tmnh34dQr0XPifDysHYylwgCh3VoL23l/view

If you look on line 7 of that card (Father's birthplace), that is
where my grandfather wrote what looks like "Gosza Hungary." I am
assuming that the first letter is a "G," because he has written the
name "Gluck" in two other places on the card, and the initial capital
"G" looks the same in all three instances. His mother's name was
Bleema (Betty) Gluck.

I appreciate help in locating what town that actually was.

Leslie

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you can help.


Hungary SIG #Hungary more about Subotica records #hungary

ericalishahn@...
 

Andras Hirschler has sent me two pages of marriage and birth records >from Subotica which he indexed. but I don't think it's the records >from the Subotica Archives which I visited a few years ago.
I think his set is government vital records.Hungary started civil registration in 1886.
At the Subotica Archive is a set of records made by rabbis going back as early as 1850 or so and there are quite a few records. They include death records but for obvious reasons no birth records and certainly no birth type records for girls but they do have bris records. There are probably about 50 pages of records, although I only took copies of about 6 or 7 which had my family names: Hahn, Buchwald, Basch and Rex which is all I was allowed to have. The Archive was reluctant to let me have anything more.Â
If these records were ever to get indexed there would probably have to be significant negotiation and payment to the Archive.

Erica Hahn

Moderator: Hungary began civil registration in October 1895, not 1886.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

lesliedrewharris@...
 

Thank you to everyone who replied to my initial post.

I uploaded the main page of my grandfather's WWI Draft Registration
Card. You should be able to see it if you follow this link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tmnh34dQr0XPifDysHYylwgCh3VoL23l/view

If you look on line 7 of that card (Father's birthplace), that is
where my grandfather wrote what looks like "Gosza Hungary." I am
assuming that the first letter is a "G," because he has written the
name "Gluck" in two other places on the card, and the initial capital
"G" looks the same in all three instances. His mother's name was
Bleema (Betty) Gluck.

I appreciate help in locating what town that actually was.

Leslie

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you can help.


ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary

Ross, Phil
 

I've posted a handwritten portion (the Comments section) of a 1913 Hungaria=
n birth record for which I need a translation.=20

During Germany's occupation of Budapest, Hungary in 1944, my Jewish cousin,=
Lily Rosenbluth, was able to obtain false identity papers stating she was =
supposedly a Christian woman named "Ilona Rahner" born in 1913. With these=
false identity papers, Lily was able to survive the occupation largely unm=
olested. There was an actual person named Ilona Rahner born in Budapest in=
1913, as reflected in Budapest's original Civil Registration birth records=
>from that year (of which the attached image is a part). I am hoping that s=
omething in the Comments section of the birth record might provide some fur=
ther information about this actual person, and thus a clue as to how Lily m=
ay have been able to later assume her identity.=20

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM74254

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much for any and all responses.

Philip L. Ross
San Francisco, California


Mateszalka #hungary

miriamshell@...
 

Hi
Many of my ancestors are >from Mateszalka and I have been unable to find any r=
ecords
of most of them through Jewishgen or LDS. Does anyone know where I could fin=
d these records and the burial records for Mateszalka?=20
I would appreciate any suggestions.=20
Thanks
Miriam


Hungary SIG #Hungary ViewMate translation request - Hungarian #hungary

Ross, Phil
 

I've posted a handwritten portion (the Comments section) of a 1913 Hungaria=
n birth record for which I need a translation.=20

During Germany's occupation of Budapest, Hungary in 1944, my Jewish cousin,=
Lily Rosenbluth, was able to obtain false identity papers stating she was =
supposedly a Christian woman named "Ilona Rahner" born in 1913. With these=
false identity papers, Lily was able to survive the occupation largely unm=
olested. There was an actual person named Ilona Rahner born in Budapest in=
1913, as reflected in Budapest's original Civil Registration birth records=
>from that year (of which the attached image is a part). I am hoping that s=
omething in the Comments section of the birth record might provide some fur=
ther information about this actual person, and thus a clue as to how Lily m=
ay have been able to later assume her identity.=20

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM74254

Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much for any and all responses.

Philip L. Ross
San Francisco, California


Hungary SIG #Hungary Mateszalka #hungary

miriamshell@...
 

Hi
Many of my ancestors are >from Mateszalka and I have been unable to find any r=
ecords
of most of them through Jewishgen or LDS. Does anyone know where I could fin=
d these records and the burial records for Mateszalka?=20
I would appreciate any suggestions.=20
Thanks
Miriam


Re: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Leslie,

Please scan the record and share the document with all of us so that we can look
at it. I can also check the 1892 and 1895 gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary for the town. As Hungarian uses a lot of compound names, it is also possible he only have one part of the name.

Looking forward to seeing your file.

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
Moderator: Upload image to ViewMate and ask for responses on Viewmate.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Help Identifying a Town in Hungary #hungary

HungarianRoots
 

Dear Leslie,

Please scan the record and share the document with all of us so that we can look
at it. I can also check the 1892 and 1895 gazetteer of the Kingdom of Hungary for the town. As Hungarian uses a lot of compound names, it is also possible he only have one part of the name.

Looking forward to seeing your file.

Regards,

Karesz Vandor
genealogist/historian/private tour guide

Hungarian Roots
web: www.hungarianroots.com
e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
Moderator: Upload image to ViewMate and ask for responses on Viewmate.


Re: Szabadka #hungary

smartlines@...
 

I indexed Subotica (Szabadka) births and marriage for Jewishgen in April
2018 but I do not know if it has been added to the database. I shall send
the two files to Erica directly.
Andras Hirschler
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Subotica research.
From: ericalishahn@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:23:11 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 1

As someone who has done a lot of research re Jews in Szabadka I would have
to say it is not easy. Most records are not on line. There is at the
Subotica Archives a file of rabbinical vital records dating back to the
early 18th Century. I would love to see these records transcribed someday.

If I remember correctly there is a Spitzer family in the local Jewish
cemetery, which is online.

Beyond that there is an 1828 land census of heads of households in the
Batschka. It has been fully transcribed by Martha Remer Connor; the
transcription which is now on line through FamilySearch, title "Germans
and Hungarians, 1828 Land Census, Bacs Bodrog, Hungary". JewishGen has
posted some names >from the 1828 census when it believes the person counted
was Jewish either because in some cases he was identified as Jewish or
because he had what seemed likely to be a Jewish name.

Radix which is a paid site has records of various sorts, including a list of
employees in 1917 on the Hungarian railway which included my great
grandfather and his brother in law.
Radix also has an 1891 Industrial survey.

JewishGen has posted by name List of Subotica Jews victims of the Fascist
Occupation 1941-1945.


Hungary SIG #Hungary re: Szabadka #hungary

smartlines@...
 

I indexed Subotica (Szabadka) births and marriage for Jewishgen in April
2018 but I do not know if it has been added to the database. I shall send
the two files to Erica directly.
Andras Hirschler
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Subotica research.
From: ericalishahn@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:23:11 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 1

As someone who has done a lot of research re Jews in Szabadka I would have
to say it is not easy. Most records are not on line. There is at the
Subotica Archives a file of rabbinical vital records dating back to the
early 18th Century. I would love to see these records transcribed someday.

If I remember correctly there is a Spitzer family in the local Jewish
cemetery, which is online.

Beyond that there is an 1828 land census of heads of households in the
Batschka. It has been fully transcribed by Martha Remer Connor; the
transcription which is now on line through FamilySearch, title "Germans
and Hungarians, 1828 Land Census, Bacs Bodrog, Hungary". JewishGen has
posted some names >from the 1828 census when it believes the person counted
was Jewish either because in some cases he was identified as Jewish or
because he had what seemed likely to be a Jewish name.

Radix which is a paid site has records of various sorts, including a list of
employees in 1917 on the Hungarian railway which included my great
grandfather and his brother in law.
Radix also has an 1891 Industrial survey.

JewishGen has posted by name List of Subotica Jews victims of the Fascist
Occupation 1941-1945.


Search for KISFALUDI family #hungary

David Lewin
 

I am totally ignorant of Hungarian research - may I have your guidance=
please?

I am hoping to assemble the family tree of Dr=20
Imre KISFALUDI born 3 Jun 1897 in Komlosd, Somogy=20
Vm, Hungary who emigrated together with his wife=20
Magda nee WALLERSTEIN in Feb 1957 >from Hungary to the USA.

I am aware that many jews "hungarized" their name=20
after 1876. Imre was born in 1897, so I don=B4t=20
know whether his father had "hungarized" his name=20
and Imre was born already as a "Kisfaludi".

Imre had been a layer and academic, published a=20
book on the purchasing of apartments in Hungary.

How can I learn who the parents and siblings of Imre KISFALUDI were?

Thank you

David Lewin
London

Moderator: please respond off-list unless comments are of general interest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Search for KISFALUDI family #hungary

David Lewin
 

I am totally ignorant of Hungarian research - may I have your guidance=
please?

I am hoping to assemble the family tree of Dr=20
Imre KISFALUDI born 3 Jun 1897 in Komlosd, Somogy=20
Vm, Hungary who emigrated together with his wife=20
Magda nee WALLERSTEIN in Feb 1957 >from Hungary to the USA.

I am aware that many jews "hungarized" their name=20
after 1876. Imre was born in 1897, so I don=B4t=20
know whether his father had "hungarized" his name=20
and Imre was born already as a "Kisfaludi".

Imre had been a layer and academic, published a=20
book on the purchasing of apartments in Hungary.

How can I learn who the parents and siblings of Imre KISFALUDI were?

Thank you

David Lewin
London

Moderator: please respond off-list unless comments are of general interest.


English text of Hebrew inscription found in the Vilnius Great Synagogue #lithuania

Eric Mack
 

"Hebrew inscriptions were discovered for the first time since the beginning
of the excavation project to expose the Great Synagogue of Vilna, Lithuania
which was burned during the Holocaust and demolished by the Soviets."

The remainder of this article appears at
https://www.jns.org/hebrew-inscriptions-revealed-at-great-synagogue-
dig-sites-in-vilnius-lithuania/

Eric Mack
Jerusalem


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania English text of Hebrew inscription found in the Vilnius Great Synagogue #lithuania

Eric Mack
 

"Hebrew inscriptions were discovered for the first time since the beginning
of the excavation project to expose the Great Synagogue of Vilna, Lithuania
which was burned during the Holocaust and demolished by the Soviets."

The remainder of this article appears at
https://www.jns.org/hebrew-inscriptions-revealed-at-great-synagogue-
dig-sites-in-vilnius-lithuania/

Eric Mack
Jerusalem

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