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JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY OF LONG ISLAND Next Meeting Topic Is:
Transcarpathia: Eastern Slovak and Ukrainian Jewish Research with Jordan Ausländer
Jordan will discuss the genealogically relevant records that are available in and outside the Slovak Republic and Ukraine from a region that was in the 20th century Hungary, Czechoslovakia, USSR, and Ukraine. He will share advice, based on his own visits to the region on how to focus your search to minimize opportunities for bureaucratic errors.
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Servant of the Baron Hirsch School
#galicia
Barbara Krasner
Through the JRI-Poland database, I recently found in the Kozlow (Galicia) birth records of my great-aunts an interesting description for my great-grandfather: He was a servant of the Baron Hirsch School in Kozlow. His occupation was a butcher. Has anyone else ever come across a Baron Hirsch affiliation in metrical records? Has anyone suggestions for resources about Baron Hirsch schools and initiatives in eastern Galicia?
Barbara Krasner Somerset, NJ Researching in Kozlow: Seife, Sass, Zuckerkandel, Amildank/Himeldank/Hameldank/Nachmicz
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Re: Artur and Blanka LOFFLER from Trnava, Slovakia
#hungary
HungarianRoots
In such a case one needs to do heir/descendant search by checking all
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relevant post-1913 records pertaining to the Lofflers at the registry = office in Trnava first. The birth records of Arthur and Blanka would shine light into this. They = may even contain later references to marriages, etc. Then you can search for birth records of their children (if any).=20 Regards, =A0 Karesz Vandor genealogist/historian/private tour guide=20 =A0 Hungarian Roots web: www.hungarianroots.com e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
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From: H-SIG [mailto:h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org]=20 Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:02 AM To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Subject: [h-sig] Artur and Blanka LOFFLER >from Trnava, Slovakia I appreciate any help in finding out more information about Artur = LOFFLER, (1913-1989) who survived the Holocaust, lived, died and buried in Trnava, Slovakia.=20 I hope to confirm that he was first cousin of my late father Yossi = LOFFLER. On his gravestone >from Trnava his father's name in Hebrew is Ze'ev. =20 ViewMate = http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM75768 My father had an uncle Wilhelm LOFFLER who was deported to his death to Auschwitz >from Trnava.=20 Wilhelm's Hebrew name in his birth registration >from 1887 was "Binyamin Ze'ev also known as Velvel".=20 We know that Wilhelm was married, but no idea who was his wife and if he = had children.=20 We assume, but can't prove, that Artur was Wilhelm's son. We do not know if Artur had a wife and children and what he had left = behind when he died.=20 We also know of Blanka LOFFLER >from Trnava who perished in the Holocaust = but we do not anything else about her, if or how she is related to Wilhelm = or to Artur. Any idea?=20 Yohanan LOEFFLER Melbourne Australia
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Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Artur and Blanka LOFFLER from Trnava, Slovakia
#hungary
HungarianRoots
In such a case one needs to do heir/descendant search by checking all
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
relevant post-1913 records pertaining to the Lofflers at the registry = office in Trnava first. The birth records of Arthur and Blanka would shine light into this. They = may even contain later references to marriages, etc. Then you can search for birth records of their children (if any).=20 Regards, =A0 Karesz Vandor genealogist/historian/private tour guide=20 =A0 Hungarian Roots web: www.hungarianroots.com e-mail: info@hungarianroots.com
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From: H-SIG [mailto:h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org]=20 Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 2:02 AM To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Subject: [h-sig] Artur and Blanka LOFFLER >from Trnava, Slovakia I appreciate any help in finding out more information about Artur = LOFFLER, (1913-1989) who survived the Holocaust, lived, died and buried in Trnava, Slovakia.=20 I hope to confirm that he was first cousin of my late father Yossi = LOFFLER. On his gravestone >from Trnava his father's name in Hebrew is Ze'ev. =20 ViewMate = http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=3DVM75768 My father had an uncle Wilhelm LOFFLER who was deported to his death to Auschwitz >from Trnava.=20 Wilhelm's Hebrew name in his birth registration >from 1887 was "Binyamin Ze'ev also known as Velvel".=20 We know that Wilhelm was married, but no idea who was his wife and if he = had children.=20 We assume, but can't prove, that Artur was Wilhelm's son. We do not know if Artur had a wife and children and what he had left = behind when he died.=20 We also know of Blanka LOFFLER >from Trnava who perished in the Holocaust = but we do not anything else about her, if or how she is related to Wilhelm = or to Artur. Any idea?=20 Yohanan LOEFFLER Melbourne Australia
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Avraham Y. Kahana
Hello all,
I am searching (again) for a Herszkowicz family, this time with added info, assembled by me making "reliable guesses" using JRI search. Here are the family details: Place: Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Poland [Individuals]: Moshe Michael HERSZKOWICZ, married to Chana nee BIRENCWAJG/BIRENTZWEIG) (daughter of Nossen) - both must have been born around 1820. [Children]: .Perla Laja (1845) .Wolf Hersz (1845) .Izrael Aron (1846-1852) .Blima Ryfka (1852) .Nusen Abram married to Tz*** Feige nee Krel .Son: Mendel Majer, married to Chaja Necha nee Kano/Kahana (1874) - my family If any of you relate to any of the names above, please reply back. Thank you Avraham Yehoshua Kahana Israel
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Avraham Y. Kahana
Hello all,
I am searching (again) for a Herszkowicz family, this time with added info, assembled by me making "reliable guesses" using JRI search. Here are the family details: Place: Rawa Mazowiecka, Lodz, Poland [Individuals]: Moshe Michael HERSZKOWICZ, married to Chana nee BIRENCWAJG/BIRENTZWEIG) (daughter of Nossen) - both must have been born around 1820. [Children]: .Perla Laja (1845) .Wolf Hersz (1845) .Izrael Aron (1846-1852) .Blima Ryfka (1852) .Nusen Abram married to Tz*** Feige nee Krel .Son: Mendel Majer, married to Chaja Necha nee Kano/Kahana (1874) - my family If any of you relate to any of the names above, please reply back. Thank you Avraham Yehoshua Kahana Israel
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Join or Renew membership in LitvakSIG
#lithuania
Garri Regev
LitvakSIG has had another year of growth with a focus on releasing the
Vilnius Household Registers (VHR). Data continues to be made available in batches, and the batch preview will allow you to determine if a particular batch is of interest to you. For more detailed information about the registers and our project please check out the LitvakSIG website (https://www.litvaksig.org/research/special-projects/vilnius-househ= old-registers). To date there are approximately 35,000 lines available with the latest batch release. Please remember that this information may help you find mention of relatives who lived elsewhere and traveled to Vilnius or were headed elsewhere and stopped in Vilnius along the way. Obeliai Questionnaires - Because Jews, as a group, were suspected of disloyalty to the Russian Empire, they were hastily thrown out of western Kovno gubernia in May of 1915 as WWI came to Lithuania and the Germans attacked >from East Prussia. Most were sent to interior Russia. After the war, tens of thousands of the surviving displaced Lithuanian Jews tried to return to Lithuania, almost all of them passing through the frontier quarantine station in the tiny town of Obeliai. This was, for all practical purposes, the only route back >from Russia. In Obeliai, each returnee (or family head) filled out a questionnaire indicating where they intended to go if readmitted to Lithuania and includes significant personal details about each family member such as the date and place of birth, maiden name, father's name, etc. Many of these questionnaires have been preserved in the LCVA. We are pleased to present these records. The total number of records is unknown; as we translate more records, they will be appended to the existing spreadsheet. An additional release is expected shortly. In addition to the VHR LitvakSIG has released many other databases. Our thanks to Russ Maurer, Dorothy Leivers and all of the volunteers who spend hours preparing the databases for us. A year ago we spoke of an upcoming member benefit. We're ready to give you a peek! In the Members section of the LitvakSIG website you will notice the headings: LitvakSIG Business, Resource Library, Maps, Member List, News - and then three lines. When you click there you will find another tab, Videos of Interest to LitvakSIG members or https://donors.litvaksig.org/site/members/litvaksig-video-files-links. We have started gathering videos and audio recordings that you may find of interest. There are many interesting resources for all researching family in Lithuania in the Members Section, available to all dues-paying members of LitvakSIG. Take some time to check it out. In the coming year we hope that many of you will be at the IAJGS Conference in San Diego, CA August 9-14, 2020. We have already begun planning the programming for this conference. The IAJGS Conference presents a wonderful opportunity to connect and learn together. Please - while you are reading this and it is fresh in your memory - go to the LitvakSIG website https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/ and join or renew your membership for 2020!! We need your continued support. Thank you in advance. Garri Regev LitvakSIG Membership Chair
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Join or Renew membership in LitvakSIG
#lithuania
Garri Regev
LitvakSIG has had another year of growth with a focus on releasing the
Vilnius Household Registers (VHR). Data continues to be made available in batches, and the batch preview will allow you to determine if a particular batch is of interest to you. For more detailed information about the registers and our project please check out the LitvakSIG website (https://www.litvaksig.org/research/special-projects/vilnius-househ= old-registers). To date there are approximately 35,000 lines available with the latest batch release. Please remember that this information may help you find mention of relatives who lived elsewhere and traveled to Vilnius or were headed elsewhere and stopped in Vilnius along the way. Obeliai Questionnaires - Because Jews, as a group, were suspected of disloyalty to the Russian Empire, they were hastily thrown out of western Kovno gubernia in May of 1915 as WWI came to Lithuania and the Germans attacked >from East Prussia. Most were sent to interior Russia. After the war, tens of thousands of the surviving displaced Lithuanian Jews tried to return to Lithuania, almost all of them passing through the frontier quarantine station in the tiny town of Obeliai. This was, for all practical purposes, the only route back >from Russia. In Obeliai, each returnee (or family head) filled out a questionnaire indicating where they intended to go if readmitted to Lithuania and includes significant personal details about each family member such as the date and place of birth, maiden name, father's name, etc. Many of these questionnaires have been preserved in the LCVA. We are pleased to present these records. The total number of records is unknown; as we translate more records, they will be appended to the existing spreadsheet. An additional release is expected shortly. In addition to the VHR LitvakSIG has released many other databases. Our thanks to Russ Maurer, Dorothy Leivers and all of the volunteers who spend hours preparing the databases for us. A year ago we spoke of an upcoming member benefit. We're ready to give you a peek! In the Members section of the LitvakSIG website you will notice the headings: LitvakSIG Business, Resource Library, Maps, Member List, News - and then three lines. When you click there you will find another tab, Videos of Interest to LitvakSIG members or https://donors.litvaksig.org/site/members/litvaksig-video-files-links. We have started gathering videos and audio recordings that you may find of interest. There are many interesting resources for all researching family in Lithuania in the Members Section, available to all dues-paying members of LitvakSIG. Take some time to check it out. In the coming year we hope that many of you will be at the IAJGS Conference in San Diego, CA August 9-14, 2020. We have already begun planning the programming for this conference. The IAJGS Conference presents a wonderful opportunity to connect and learn together. Please - while you are reading this and it is fresh in your memory - go to the LitvakSIG website https://www.litvaksig.org/membership-and-contributions/join-and-contribute/ and join or renew your membership for 2020!! We need your continued support. Thank you in advance. Garri Regev LitvakSIG Membership Chair
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Need Translation from Polish
#poland
Settlinger <settlinger@...>
Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish
I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75829 Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. Sondra Sherman Ettlinger
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JRI Poland #Poland Need Translation from Polish
#poland
Settlinger <settlinger@...>
Subj: ViewMate translation request - Polish
I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ... http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75829 Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Thank you very much. Sondra Sherman Ettlinger
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Translation request - Hebrew - Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL gravestone
#poland
Selma Sheridan
A photo of the gravestone of my great-grandfather, Avraham Zvi Hersch
BEUTEL, in Hebrew, is posted at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75827. Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Please provide a translation of every word, as we know so little about him and are searching for clues. Is there a notation of the names of his parents or other family members, or his place of birth? Many thanks in advance, Selma Sigal Sheridan Oswego NY
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JRI Poland #Poland Translation request - Hebrew - Avraham Zvi Hersch BEUTEL gravestone
#poland
Selma Sheridan
A photo of the gravestone of my great-grandfather, Avraham Zvi Hersch
BEUTEL, in Hebrew, is posted at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75827. Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page. Please provide a translation of every word, as we know so little about him and are searching for clues. Is there a notation of the names of his parents or other family members, or his place of birth? Many thanks in advance, Selma Sigal Sheridan Oswego NY
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Re: [Where was] Mahlhof ? Is it perhaps Mielno (Chodecz)?
#germany
Peter Lobbenberg
Dear Alex-
I believe "Mahlhof" is a corruption or mis-spelling of "Malhof", which a Google search suggests is in turn a corruption of - or perhaps another name for - Malchow. See e.g. https://tinyurl.com/wu6hljp Malchow was a sub-camp of Ravensbrueck (u umlaut), the notorious women's concentration camp, and was based in the town of Malchow in Mecklenburg- Vorpommern. It seems that there were death marches both to and >from Malchow. The camp has its own English Wikipedia entry. There were sections for both men and women. It was liberated by the Red Army on 2 May 1945 but, according to a local school project in 2010, "Teilweise wohnten die ehemaligen Haeftlinge nach der Befreiung bei Malchowern und baten um Verpflegung und Kleidung" (loosely: After liberation, some of the former inmates stayed on with local inhabitants and [were provided with] food and clothing"). https://tinyurl.com/szxrz8j Best wishes, Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK peterlob@peterlob.co.uk Alex Magosci awmjr@magocsi.org wrote: On the residency registration form (Meldekarte der Stadt Passau, September, 1945), it indicates that a former Hungarian Forced Laborer had arrived from Mahlhof.I am looking for the current location of Mahlhof which I believe could be in Poland, or, at the time of his release, is assumed to have been in the Soviet Occupation Zone (SBZ). He had been taken prisoner by the Soviet Army. Is it perhaps Mielno (Chodecz)? If not, is anyone familiar with Mahlhof >from whence former laborers were released? (responses in German or English appreciated)
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ViewMate translation, Russian from Leczna, Poland -KOVARTOVSKA
#poland
I would appreciate an English translation of the Russian text of the
1903 Leczna, Poland birth record for Rywka KOVARTOVSKA, Akta 49. I would like a translation of all the genealogically significant information, especially the actual place and date of birth and the names and ages of her parents. It is on ViewMate at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75778. Please respond using the online ViewMate form. Thank you very much. Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER Bellevue, Washington U.S.A. sonnyputter@gmail.com Researching: BILK | BLAJSER | CUKIERMAN | DRESZER | DYCHTERMAN | ELBAUM | ERLICH | FAYNER | FEDER | FRAJMAN | GOFMAN | HOCHMAN | KLINGIER | KREMER | LEJWENFUS | LEMCHEN | LIBEL | MESSYNGIER | MEC | METZ | PUTER | ROTFELD | SOBEL | SZAJNBERG | SZECHTER | SZLOFMAN | SZNAI SZOK | SZPISAJZEN | SZRAJBER | SZYR | WAYC | WERTKIN | ZALCMAN. In Lublin, Poland and Lublin area shtetlach: Biala Podlaska, Chelm, Gorzkow, Izbica Lubelski, Jozefow Bilgorajski, Krasnobrod, Krasnystaw, Laszczow, Leczna, Szczebrzeszyn, Tarnogrod, Tomaszow Lubelski and Zamosc. Also, in Courland area, Latvia and Babruysk area, Belarus.
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German SIG #Germany Re: [Where was] Mahlhof ? Is it perhaps Mielno (Chodecz)?
#germany
Peter Lobbenberg
Dear Alex-
I believe "Mahlhof" is a corruption or mis-spelling of "Malhof", which a Google search suggests is in turn a corruption of - or perhaps another name for - Malchow. See e.g. https://tinyurl.com/wu6hljp Malchow was a sub-camp of Ravensbrueck (u umlaut), the notorious women's concentration camp, and was based in the town of Malchow in Mecklenburg- Vorpommern. It seems that there were death marches both to and >from Malchow. The camp has its own English Wikipedia entry. There were sections for both men and women. It was liberated by the Red Army on 2 May 1945 but, according to a local school project in 2010, "Teilweise wohnten die ehemaligen Haeftlinge nach der Befreiung bei Malchowern und baten um Verpflegung und Kleidung" (loosely: After liberation, some of the former inmates stayed on with local inhabitants and [were provided with] food and clothing"). https://tinyurl.com/szxrz8j Best wishes, Peter Lobbenberg, London, UK peterlob@peterlob.co.uk Alex Magosci awmjr@magocsi.org wrote: On the residency registration form (Meldekarte der Stadt Passau, September, 1945), it indicates that a former Hungarian Forced Laborer had arrived from Mahlhof.I am looking for the current location of Mahlhof which I believe could be in Poland, or, at the time of his release, is assumed to have been in the Soviet Occupation Zone (SBZ). He had been taken prisoner by the Soviet Army. Is it perhaps Mielno (Chodecz)? If not, is anyone familiar with Mahlhof >from whence former laborers were released? (responses in German or English appreciated)
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JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation, Russian from Leczna, Poland -KOVARTOVSKA
#poland
I would appreciate an English translation of the Russian text of the
1903 Leczna, Poland birth record for Rywka KOVARTOVSKA, Akta 49. I would like a translation of all the genealogically significant information, especially the actual place and date of birth and the names and ages of her parents. It is on ViewMate at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75778. Please respond using the online ViewMate form. Thank you very much. Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER Bellevue, Washington U.S.A. sonnyputter@gmail.com Researching: BILK | BLAJSER | CUKIERMAN | DRESZER | DYCHTERMAN | ELBAUM | ERLICH | FAYNER | FEDER | FRAJMAN | GOFMAN | HOCHMAN | KLINGIER | KREMER | LEJWENFUS | LEMCHEN | LIBEL | MESSYNGIER | MEC | METZ | PUTER | ROTFELD | SOBEL | SZAJNBERG | SZECHTER | SZLOFMAN | SZNAI SZOK | SZPISAJZEN | SZRAJBER | SZYR | WAYC | WERTKIN | ZALCMAN. In Lublin, Poland and Lublin area shtetlach: Biala Podlaska, Chelm, Gorzkow, Izbica Lubelski, Jozefow Bilgorajski, Krasnobrod, Krasnystaw, Laszczow, Leczna, Szczebrzeszyn, Tarnogrod, Tomaszow Lubelski and Zamosc. Also, in Courland area, Latvia and Babruysk area, Belarus.
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ViewMate translation Russian from Leczna, Poland - DRESZER?=
#poland
I would appreciate an English translation of the Russian text of the
1893 Leczna, Poland birth record for Sura-Chana DRESZER, Akta 83. I would like a translation of all the genealogically significant information, especially the actual place and date of birth and the ages of her parents. Please verify that the names of her parents were Josef Majer Lejb DRESZER and Chawa SZRAJBER. Did Sura-Chana's mother die in giving birth to her? It is on ViewMate at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75767 . Please respond using the online ViewMate form. Thank you very much. Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER Bellevue, Washington U.S.A. sonnyputter@gmail.com Researching: BILK | BLAJSER | CUKIERMAN | DRESZER | DYCHTERMAN | ELBAUM | ERLICH | FAYNER | FEDER | FRAJMAN | GOFMAN | HOCHMAN | KLINGIER | KREMER | LEJWENFUS | LEMCHEN | LIBEL | MESSYNGIER | MEC | METZ | PUTER | ROTFELD | SOBEL | SZAJNBERG | SZECHTER | SZLOFMAN | SZNAI SZOK | SZPISAJZEN | SZRAJBER | SZYR | WAYC | WERTKIN | ZALCMAN. In Lublin, Poland and Lublin area shtetlach: Biala Podlaska, Chelm, Gorzkow, Izbica Lubelski, Jozefow Bilgorajski, Krasnobrod, Krasnystaw, Laszczow, Leczna, Szczebrzeszyn, Tarnogrod, Tomaszow Lubelski and Zamosc. Also, in Courland area, Latvia and Babruysk area, Belarus.
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JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation Russian from Leczna, Poland - DRESZER?=
#poland
I would appreciate an English translation of the Russian text of the
1893 Leczna, Poland birth record for Sura-Chana DRESZER, Akta 83. I would like a translation of all the genealogically significant information, especially the actual place and date of birth and the ages of her parents. Please verify that the names of her parents were Josef Majer Lejb DRESZER and Chawa SZRAJBER. Did Sura-Chana's mother die in giving birth to her? It is on ViewMate at the following address: http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM75767 . Please respond using the online ViewMate form. Thank you very much. Sinai (Sonny) PUTTER Bellevue, Washington U.S.A. sonnyputter@gmail.com Researching: BILK | BLAJSER | CUKIERMAN | DRESZER | DYCHTERMAN | ELBAUM | ERLICH | FAYNER | FEDER | FRAJMAN | GOFMAN | HOCHMAN | KLINGIER | KREMER | LEJWENFUS | LEMCHEN | LIBEL | MESSYNGIER | MEC | METZ | PUTER | ROTFELD | SOBEL | SZAJNBERG | SZECHTER | SZLOFMAN | SZNAI SZOK | SZPISAJZEN | SZRAJBER | SZYR | WAYC | WERTKIN | ZALCMAN. In Lublin, Poland and Lublin area shtetlach: Biala Podlaska, Chelm, Gorzkow, Izbica Lubelski, Jozefow Bilgorajski, Krasnobrod, Krasnystaw, Laszczow, Leczna, Szczebrzeszyn, Tarnogrod, Tomaszow Lubelski and Zamosc. Also, in Courland area, Latvia and Babruysk area, Belarus.
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The List of Graves in the Old Cemetery in Brody
#poland
Abuwasta Abuwasta
Dear Siggers,
A few of you sent me several links to the article about the old cemetery in Brody. Many Thanks!!! I enclose the most easy one. The article is in German but the list is in big Hebrew letters and starts >from image 171(p.121). http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/cm/periodical/pageview/3491729 Good hunting Jacob Rosen Jerusalem
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JRI Poland #Poland The List of Graves in the Old Cemetery in Brody
#poland
Abuwasta Abuwasta
Dear Siggers,
A few of you sent me several links to the article about the old cemetery in Brody. Many Thanks!!! I enclose the most easy one. The article is in German but the list is in big Hebrew letters and starts >from image 171(p.121). http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/cm/periodical/pageview/3491729 Good hunting Jacob Rosen Jerusalem
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