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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Mary-Jane Roth asked about Hamburg departure records showing a father with
three male children, noting the incoming US manifest showed similar given
names, but the children were a boy and 2 girls. Mary-Jane asked if anyone
had seen this before.

Yes, I have twice seen this exact change of gender on pairs of manifests.
My speculation is that immigrants dressed the young girls as boys, in the
hope of keeping them safer on the long crossing.

Happy hunting!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? #general

Phyllis Kramer
 

Mary-Jane Roth asked about Hamburg departure records showing a father with
three male children, noting the incoming US manifest showed similar given
names, but the children were a boy and 2 girls. Mary-Jane asked if anyone
had seen this before.

Yes, I have twice seen this exact change of gender on pairs of manifests.
My speculation is that immigrants dressed the young girls as boys, in the
hope of keeping them safer on the long crossing.

Happy hunting!

Phyllis Kramer, New York City, Palm Beach Gardens, Fla
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc: www.JewishGen.org/education
Researching (all Galicia) KRAMER, BEIM >from Jasienica Rosielna
SCHEINER, KANDEL >from Strzyzow & Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn, Burstyn
STECHER, TRACHMAN >from Nowy Zmigrod, Dukla
family web site: KehilaLinks.JewishGen.org/Krosno/Kramer.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

Emily Garber
 

Mary-Jane Roth <greenst@...> wrote:

The Hamburg departure records show Moses BOGATIN age 33 >from Lida
(Belarus?) with his three male children, Meier (9), Schmuel (7), and Hilel (4)
departing Hamburg on Dec 22, 1891 aboard the German Empire bound for
Hartlepool, UK. Their final destination is listed as New York via Liverpool.

On January 9, 1892 a family arrived in NYC aboard the Adriatic from
Liverpool. They were Moses BEGATIN (33) with his three children, Meier
(male age 9), Schume(d?) (Female age 7) and Hild (Female age 4). They
are listed as being Swedes >from G Burg (probably Gothenburg?).
[snip]
Has anyone else seen such a distinct change between departure and arrival
records? Any other thoughts as to how I might find them if these are not the
same family? Moses' oldest sons in the US were Myer, Samuel, and Harry.
There are two additional sources of manifests for travel via UK ports
(available via Ancestry and Find My Past) that one should check for
comparison purposes. On Ancestry they are called "UK, Outward Passenger Lists,
1890-1960" and "UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960." Within the first
database, I located the same family leaving Liverpool on the S.S. Adriatic -
clearly Moses, Meier, Schmuel and Hilel.

One should also compare the passengers surrounding the family on the lists.
In this case, the family listed after your target family is the same on both
the Hamburg and NY manifests.

It is clear when one looks at the NY manifest and the Hamburg one that the
children's names were Meier, Schmuel and Hilel. The indexer of the NY manifest
did not transcribe the names correctly.

The Swedish designation is transcribed correctly, but is likely an error
introduced in the UK when the manifest was prepared.

As for their "sex change," yes, I have seen mistakes like these made when
manifests were prepared.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/yurovshchina/index.html

Researching:
Labun (Lubin/Yurovshchina), Ukraine: GARBER, MAZEWITSKY, MALZMANN, ZABARSKY;
Annopol (near Rivne), Ukraine: LIDERMAN; Koziany, Belarus: WILENSKY, EPSTEIN;
Radautz: LIEBROSS, WENKERT, SCHAFFER; Ustechko, Torskie and Zaleszczyki, Ukraine:
LIEBROSS, WENKERT, ETT


Re: Manifest Residence and sex change? - BOGATIN/BEGATIN #general

Emily Garber
 

Mary-Jane Roth <greenst@...> wrote:

The Hamburg departure records show Moses BOGATIN age 33 >from Lida
(Belarus?) with his three male children, Meier (9), Schmuel (7), and Hilel (4)
departing Hamburg on Dec 22, 1891 aboard the German Empire bound for
Hartlepool, UK. Their final destination is listed as New York via Liverpool.

On January 9, 1892 a family arrived in NYC aboard the Adriatic from
Liverpool. They were Moses BEGATIN (33) with his three children, Meier
(male age 9), Schume(d?) (Female age 7) and Hild (Female age 4). They
are listed as being Swedes >from G Burg (probably Gothenburg?).
[snip]
Has anyone else seen such a distinct change between departure and arrival
records? Any other thoughts as to how I might find them if these are not the
same family? Moses' oldest sons in the US were Myer, Samuel, and Harry.
There are two additional sources of manifests for travel via UK ports
(available via Ancestry and Find My Past) that one should check for
comparison purposes. On Ancestry they are called "UK, Outward Passenger Lists,
1890-1960" and "UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960." Within the first
database, I located the same family leaving Liverpool on the S.S. Adriatic -
clearly Moses, Meier, Schmuel and Hilel.

One should also compare the passengers surrounding the family on the lists.
In this case, the family listed after your target family is the same on both
the Hamburg and NY manifests.

It is clear when one looks at the NY manifest and the Hamburg one that the
children's names were Meier, Schmuel and Hilel. The indexer of the NY manifest
did not transcribe the names correctly.

The Swedish designation is transcribed correctly, but is likely an error
introduced in the UK when the manifest was prepared.

As for their "sex change," yes, I have seen mistakes like these made when
manifests were prepared.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/yurovshchina/index.html

Researching:
Labun (Lubin/Yurovshchina), Ukraine: GARBER, MAZEWITSKY, MALZMANN, ZABARSKY;
Annopol (near Rivne), Ukraine: LIDERMAN; Koziany, Belarus: WILENSKY, EPSTEIN;
Radautz: LIEBROSS, WENKERT, SCHAFFER; Ustechko, Torskie and Zaleszczyki, Ukraine:
LIEBROSS, WENKERT, ETT


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Request for Translation Yiddish to English #galicia

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

I've posted images of post cards sent by my grandparents to my father
and aunt for which I need a translation >from Yiddish to English. The
post cards are available on Viewmate as follows:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40992
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40991
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40990
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40989

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Your help would be very much appreciated.

Moshe Kutten


Request for Translation Yiddish to English #galicia

Nehama and Moshe Kutten
 

I've posted images of post cards sent by my grandparents to my father
and aunt for which I need a translation >from Yiddish to English. The
post cards are available on Viewmate as follows:

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40992
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40991
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40990
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM40989

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Your help would be very much appreciated.

Moshe Kutten


German SIG #Germany Bad Nauheim - memorial to the Jews in the Holocaust #germany

Liz James
 

Jews >from Bad Nauheim, Germany

This first link is a newspaper report of the new memorial dedicated to the
Jews of Bad Nauheim who were sent to concentration camps.
http://www.wetterauer-zeitung.de/Home/Kreis/Staedte-und-Gemeinden/Bad-Nauheim/Artikel,-Holocaust-Opfer-Akribische-Spurensuche-_arid,581925_regid,3_puid,1_pageid,75.html

The second link lists each person and their particular fate.
www.holocaustdenkmal-badnauheim.de

Liz James, Melbourne Australia lizronjames@...

Mod note: Thank you. I'll guess that the town you mention is the one in
the Taunus mountains in Hessen near Wiesbaden and Frankfurt.


Bad Nauheim - memorial to the Jews in the Holocaust #germany

Liz James
 

Jews >from Bad Nauheim, Germany

This first link is a newspaper report of the new memorial dedicated to the
Jews of Bad Nauheim who were sent to concentration camps.
http://www.wetterauer-zeitung.de/Home/Kreis/Staedte-und-Gemeinden/Bad-Nauheim/Artikel,-Holocaust-Opfer-Akribische-Spurensuche-_arid,581925_regid,3_puid,1_pageid,75.html

The second link lists each person and their particular fate.
www.holocaustdenkmal-badnauheim.de

Liz James, Melbourne Australia lizronjames@...

Mod note: Thank you. I'll guess that the town you mention is the one in
the Taunus mountains in Hessen near Wiesbaden and Frankfurt.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (US-NYC) Brooklyn Public Library Digitizes 107 Years of City Directories and Telephone Books #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Brooklyn (NY) Public Library has digitized 107 years of City Directories
and telephone directories ranging >from 1856-1967. This is a great way to
check addresses, persons names, advertisements etc.
See: http://tinyurl.com/ndelcwe
Original url:
http://technical.ly/brooklyn/2015/07/14/brooklyn-public-library-puts-microfilm-directories-online/

To access the City Directories and Telephone Books see:
https://archive.org/details/brooklynpubliclibrary?&sort=titleSorter&page=2

The phone directories are being uploaded to Internet Archives a non-profit
San Francisco-based website. The Brooklyn Public Library is a library system
independent >from New York Public and Queens Library in New York City.

Thank you to Barbara Algaze for informing us of this new genealogical aid.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


(US-NYC) Brooklyn Public Library Digitizes 107 Years of City Directories and Telephone Books #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Brooklyn (NY) Public Library has digitized 107 years of City Directories
and telephone directories ranging >from 1856-1967. This is a great way to
check addresses, persons names, advertisements etc.
See: http://tinyurl.com/ndelcwe
Original url:
http://technical.ly/brooklyn/2015/07/14/brooklyn-public-library-puts-microfilm-directories-online/

To access the City Directories and Telephone Books see:
https://archive.org/details/brooklynpubliclibrary?&sort=titleSorter&page=2

The phone directories are being uploaded to Internet Archives a non-profit
San Francisco-based website. The Brooklyn Public Library is a library system
independent >from New York Public and Queens Library in New York City.

Thank you to Barbara Algaze for informing us of this new genealogical aid.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish newspapers online #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Several weeks ago there was a discussion about Jewish newspapers online.
Because life sort of gets in the way, I am very behind with my e-mail. So,
here is my contribution.

The Southern Israelite --- Searchable issues of the Southern Israelite
from 1929 to 1958 and >from 1984 to 1986. It is a project of the Digital
Library of Georgia.

http://israelite.galileo.usg.edu/israelite/search

The Cleveland Jewish News archives >from 1964 forward has been online for a
few years. Recently, all issues of it's predecessors going back 125 years
had been digitized, but was only available via the Cuyahoga County Library
site or via subscription. A couple of weeks ago all of the digitized
archives have been made available FREE.

The main page is: www.clevelandjewishnews.com

The direct link to the archives:
http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/archives/

Happy Hunting!

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


Re: Jewish newspapers online #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Several weeks ago there was a discussion about Jewish newspapers online.
Because life sort of gets in the way, I am very behind with my e-mail. So,
here is my contribution.

The Southern Israelite --- Searchable issues of the Southern Israelite
from 1929 to 1958 and >from 1984 to 1986. It is a project of the Digital
Library of Georgia.

http://israelite.galileo.usg.edu/israelite/search

The Cleveland Jewish News archives >from 1964 forward has been online for a
few years. Recently, all issues of it's predecessors going back 125 years
had been digitized, but was only available via the Cuyahoga County Library
site or via subscription. A couple of weeks ago all of the digitized
archives have been made available FREE.

The main page is: www.clevelandjewishnews.com

The direct link to the archives:
http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/archives/

Happy Hunting!

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching OGULNICK/AGULNICK descendants of Rabbi David of Novarodok #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

I was contacted several years ago when trying to confirm my connection
to a Rabbi David ben (son of) Moshe of Kletzk, who was the Rabbi of
Novarodok some 200 years ago, by a member of the OGULNICK family in
the USA (I think he was >from Baltimore but not sure).

Recently I have learned that the family name of the above Rabbi David
(the family eluded me for many years) may have been TZEMERINSKY.

I have seen the FTJP on this name but don't know who to contact to
find the family of the above Rabbi David. If anyone reading this post
(or knows who is connected to the above Rabbi David) is a member of
the OGULNICK family I would be happy to hear >from them.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Searching OGULNICK/AGULNICK descendants of Rabbi David of Novarodok #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

I was contacted several years ago when trying to confirm my connection
to a Rabbi David ben (son of) Moshe of Kletzk, who was the Rabbi of
Novarodok some 200 years ago, by a member of the OGULNICK family in
the USA (I think he was >from Baltimore but not sure).

Recently I have learned that the family name of the above Rabbi David
(the family eluded me for many years) may have been TZEMERINSKY.

I have seen the FTJP on this name but don't know who to contact to
find the family of the above Rabbi David. If anyone reading this post
(or knows who is connected to the above Rabbi David) is a member of
the OGULNICK family I would be happy to hear >from them.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem


Latin America #LatinAmerica IAJGS 2015 Conference On-Demand #latinamerica

IAJGS2015 Publicity
 

Welcome to the 35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy!=20
For those of you who were with us in Jerusalem, we look forward to=20
continue to share this unforgettably fascinating, stimulating, and=20
edifying week! And for those of you who were not able to attend, you=20
can actually bring 62 outstanding Conference programs directly to your=20
own PC, tablet or smartphone within a few hours of the presentation in=20
Jerusalem!

Thanks to sophisticated video broadcast technology, The IAJGS=20
Conference On-Demand! 2015, presented in co-operation with FamilySearch,=20
enables our exciting and diverse lectures in Jewish genealogy to be=20
streamed directly to you for viewing at your convenience. On-Demand!=20
Sessions, ideal for beginning and advanced researchers alike, are=20
available within a few hours of the lecture's presentation.=20

For further details, visit www.iajgs2015.org and select the=20
on-demand tab. Don't miss the amazing 35th IAJGS International=20
Conference on Jewish Genealogy -- Jerusalem. Register for the IAJGS=20
Conference On-Demand! 2015 today! =20

Michael Goldstein, Chairman
chairman@...
35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Jerusalem 6-10 July 2015
www.iajgs2015.org


IAJGS 2015 Conference On-Demand #latinamerica

IAJGS2015 Publicity
 

Welcome to the 35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy!=20
For those of you who were with us in Jerusalem, we look forward to=20
continue to share this unforgettably fascinating, stimulating, and=20
edifying week! And for those of you who were not able to attend, you=20
can actually bring 62 outstanding Conference programs directly to your=20
own PC, tablet or smartphone within a few hours of the presentation in=20
Jerusalem!

Thanks to sophisticated video broadcast technology, The IAJGS=20
Conference On-Demand! 2015, presented in co-operation with FamilySearch,=20
enables our exciting and diverse lectures in Jewish genealogy to be=20
streamed directly to you for viewing at your convenience. On-Demand!=20
Sessions, ideal for beginning and advanced researchers alike, are=20
available within a few hours of the lecture's presentation.=20

For further details, visit www.iajgs2015.org and select the=20
on-demand tab. Don't miss the amazing 35th IAJGS International=20
Conference on Jewish Genealogy -- Jerusalem. Register for the IAJGS=20
Conference On-Demand! 2015 today! =20

Michael Goldstein, Chairman
chairman@...
35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
Jerusalem 6-10 July 2015
www.iajgs2015.org


Latin America #LatinAmerica JewishGen Offers new Class: Independent Study Aug 1-Aug 30 2015 #latinamerica

Nancy Holden
 

Ever dream of a genealogical search companion? JewishGen is
offering an Independent Study class. Your topic, your schedule,
your questions.

Nancy Holden will be available for projects centered on research
in the United States or Country of Origin. You may choose to work
on any kind of project (wherever you are in your research) >from
organizing your data to preparing to publish. This class is taught
using a private Forum with one-on-one instruction via our internet
Forum open every day 24/7.

In order to qualify for this class we ask that you submit a
paragraph application. (Application is on the Education page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/education)
This will be a Do-it-Yourself, computer-based, online seminar.
Individual readings will be posted according to your research needs.

Course Description: http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Enrollment is limited (10 students).
Please send your qualifying paragraph to Nancy Holden any time after
July 15, 2015 for consideration.

Students will be notified of enrollment procedures by email.
Tuition: $150 to be paid after acceptance to the class

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


Latin America #LatinAmerica Please post #latinamerica

Bob Levitz
 

I am trying to find out what happened to the family of my grandfather=2C =
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Charles (Gedalia)=A0 Charnow=2C who came to the United States >from Uman=2C =
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Ukraine=2C in the 1920s. He had a brother who went to Argentina around the=
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same time. The name Charnow in Argentina may be spelled Chernov or even=0A=
Tchernov. I have come across records for Salomon Chernov and Moises =0A=
Charnow=2C both of Buenos Aires=2C=0A=
Argentina. If anyone knows anything about these individuals or their =0A=
descendants=2C please contact me.=0A=
=0A=
Robert Levitz=0A=
Boca Raton=2C Florida=0A=
Roble18@... =


JewishGen Offers new Class: Independent Study Aug 1-Aug 30 2015 #latinamerica

Nancy Holden
 

Ever dream of a genealogical search companion? JewishGen is
offering an Independent Study class. Your topic, your schedule,
your questions.

Nancy Holden will be available for projects centered on research
in the United States or Country of Origin. You may choose to work
on any kind of project (wherever you are in your research) >from
organizing your data to preparing to publish. This class is taught
using a private Forum with one-on-one instruction via our internet
Forum open every day 24/7.

In order to qualify for this class we ask that you submit a
paragraph application. (Application is on the Education page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/education)
This will be a Do-it-Yourself, computer-based, online seminar.
Individual readings will be posted according to your research needs.

Course Description: http://www.jewishgen.org/education

Enrollment is limited (10 students).
Please send your qualifying paragraph to Nancy Holden any time after
July 15, 2015 for consideration.

Students will be notified of enrollment procedures by email.
Tuition: $150 to be paid after acceptance to the class

Nancy Holden
nholden@...


Please post #latinamerica

Bob Levitz
 

I am trying to find out what happened to the family of my grandfather=2C =
=0A=
Charles (Gedalia)=A0 Charnow=2C who came to the United States >from Uman=2C =
=0A=
Ukraine=2C in the 1920s. He had a brother who went to Argentina around the=
=0A=
same time. The name Charnow in Argentina may be spelled Chernov or even=0A=
Tchernov. I have come across records for Salomon Chernov and Moises =0A=
Charnow=2C both of Buenos Aires=2C=0A=
Argentina. If anyone knows anything about these individuals or their =0A=
descendants=2C please contact me.=0A=
=0A=
Robert Levitz=0A=
Boca Raton=2C Florida=0A=
Roble18@... =

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