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Re: Family recollections from Bialystok
#poland
Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
I had a private response to my posting re 1906 Bialystok pogrom >from Peter
Levene of the UK. I thought I would share my answer to him with the list, since the information may be of general interest. He had been told that his great aunt Pearl Lewin/Levine died in a pogrom, but no date. He could not see her name on the list on my site. He had a great uncle Movshe Lewin who would have been 35 at that date. Do I think, Peter asked, he could have been the Mordechaj Lewin 38 listed? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't know about your uncle Mordechaj? Lewin is a name that you frequently see in Bialystok, and I think it's likely that there was more than one Lewin family. . . that they weren't all related. My impression is that pogroms were not a common feature of Jewish life in the Bialystok region. I've been told by people who were there that in the Shetels Jews and Poles lived very closely together. Even though they were socially and certainly religiously quite separate Jews had for hundreds of years been very well integrated into a larger socio economic system. Jews and Poles mostly got along and were able to cooperate for the common good of their towns. I'm told that in Bialystok (the big city) things were not as good. All over Eastern Poland the situation worsened in the period between the two world wars, particularly in the 1930's. And it's with this particularly horrible period that we tend to be most familiar. Also you have to put this in some context and realize that even in America at that time anti semitism was very widespread. You can't evaluate it by 21st century standards of human rights and political correctness, or people who do need to know what they are doing. While Polish anti semites participated in the 1906 pogrom, I think it was organized and instigated by Czarist authorities and carried out with a sizable number of Czarist troops. Don't get me wrong, there was widespread "Christian" anti-Semitism among the Poles. There were pretty frequent fights, often between Polish and Jewish tuffs. But Poles running wild in the streets inflicting violence and mayhem on Jews was not something that took place often at all. Also my experience is that some Jews wrongly attribute some events to the Poles that actually had at least as much if not more to do with Russian Czarist authorities or troops. As I previously mentioned particularly in the early 1930's things between Poles and Jews started getting worse and went down hill quickly >from there. But that is another story. If anyone has another take on this subject, or information on the subject of Polish-Jewish relations in the Bialystok area I'd be interested to hear it. Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com
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Translation of a job
#hungary
Georges Graner
Hello Siggers,
In a wedding document of 1896, the bridegroom has the following job : "fogyaszta'si hivatali felu:gyelo: ". A rough translation gives "inspector of the consumption administration" but what does it mean ? The Hungarian colleague who sent me this document confesses that he has no idea of what kind of job it is. Could it be somthing related to a fiscal administration ? Thank you for your help. Georges GRANER (Paris-France) georges.graner@wanadoo.fr
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Yizkor Book Project Report for February 2005
#hungary
Joyce Field
We are delighted to report another successful month for the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project. Two new entries, one new book, and 17 updates went online in February. All translations can be accessed >from the index page at http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html, where all new translations for the month are flagged. New book: -Maramures Region New entries: -Klimontow,Poland; Pinkas HaKehillot, Poland, volume 7 -Mlawa, Poland; Pinkas HaKehillot, poland, volume 4 Updated Books: -Bedzin, Poland -Belzec: Prototype of the Final Solution -Brest, Belarus -Czestochowa, Poland -Dabrowa Gornicza, Poland -Dereczyn, Poland -Gorodets, Belarus -Hlybokaye, Belarus -Holocaust in Belarus -Kletsk, Belarus -Lita, Lithuania -Minsk,Poland -Novogrudok, Belarus -Nowy Sacz, Poland -Radzyn Podlaski, Poland -Radomsko,Poland -Ryki,Poland (including a necrology) In addition to the translations, the Yizkor Book Project contains numerous other resources for researchers: the Database, Infofiles, Necrology Index, Links, and FAQ. All can be accessed >from the top of the translations index page. Also, please consider making a donation to the projects at http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/YizkorTrans.html and to JewishGen,which provides the resources for the Yizkor Book Project. Joyce Field JewishGen Vice President, Data Acquisition jfield@jewishgen.org
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BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: Family recollections from Bialystok
#poland
Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
I had a private response to my posting re 1906 Bialystok pogrom >from Peter
Levene of the UK. I thought I would share my answer to him with the list, since the information may be of general interest. He had been told that his great aunt Pearl Lewin/Levine died in a pogrom, but no date. He could not see her name on the list on my site. He had a great uncle Movshe Lewin who would have been 35 at that date. Do I think, Peter asked, he could have been the Mordechaj Lewin 38 listed? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't know about your uncle Mordechaj? Lewin is a name that you frequently see in Bialystok, and I think it's likely that there was more than one Lewin family. . . that they weren't all related. My impression is that pogroms were not a common feature of Jewish life in the Bialystok region. I've been told by people who were there that in the Shetels Jews and Poles lived very closely together. Even though they were socially and certainly religiously quite separate Jews had for hundreds of years been very well integrated into a larger socio economic system. Jews and Poles mostly got along and were able to cooperate for the common good of their towns. I'm told that in Bialystok (the big city) things were not as good. All over Eastern Poland the situation worsened in the period between the two world wars, particularly in the 1930's. And it's with this particularly horrible period that we tend to be most familiar. Also you have to put this in some context and realize that even in America at that time anti semitism was very widespread. You can't evaluate it by 21st century standards of human rights and political correctness, or people who do need to know what they are doing. While Polish anti semites participated in the 1906 pogrom, I think it was organized and instigated by Czarist authorities and carried out with a sizable number of Czarist troops. Don't get me wrong, there was widespread "Christian" anti-Semitism among the Poles. There were pretty frequent fights, often between Polish and Jewish tuffs. But Poles running wild in the streets inflicting violence and mayhem on Jews was not something that took place often at all. Also my experience is that some Jews wrongly attribute some events to the Poles that actually had at least as much if not more to do with Russian Czarist authorities or troops. As I previously mentioned particularly in the early 1930's things between Poles and Jews started getting worse and went down hill quickly >from there. But that is another story. If anyone has another take on this subject, or information on the subject of Polish-Jewish relations in the Bialystok area I'd be interested to hear it. Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Translation of a job
#hungary
Georges Graner
Hello Siggers,
In a wedding document of 1896, the bridegroom has the following job : "fogyaszta'si hivatali felu:gyelo: ". A rough translation gives "inspector of the consumption administration" but what does it mean ? The Hungarian colleague who sent me this document confesses that he has no idea of what kind of job it is. Could it be somthing related to a fiscal administration ? Thank you for your help. Georges GRANER (Paris-France) georges.graner@wanadoo.fr
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Yizkor Book Project Report for February 2005
#hungary
Joyce Field
We are delighted to report another successful month for the JewishGen
Yizkor Book Project. Two new entries, one new book, and 17 updates went online in February. All translations can be accessed >from the index page at http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html, where all new translations for the month are flagged. New book: -Maramures Region New entries: -Klimontow,Poland; Pinkas HaKehillot, Poland, volume 7 -Mlawa, Poland; Pinkas HaKehillot, poland, volume 4 Updated Books: -Bedzin, Poland -Belzec: Prototype of the Final Solution -Brest, Belarus -Czestochowa, Poland -Dabrowa Gornicza, Poland -Dereczyn, Poland -Gorodets, Belarus -Hlybokaye, Belarus -Holocaust in Belarus -Kletsk, Belarus -Lita, Lithuania -Minsk,Poland -Novogrudok, Belarus -Nowy Sacz, Poland -Radzyn Podlaski, Poland -Radomsko,Poland -Ryki,Poland (including a necrology) In addition to the translations, the Yizkor Book Project contains numerous other resources for researchers: the Database, Infofiles, Necrology Index, Links, and FAQ. All can be accessed >from the top of the translations index page. Also, please consider making a donation to the projects at http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/YizkorTrans.html and to JewishGen,which provides the resources for the Yizkor Book Project. Joyce Field JewishGen Vice President, Data Acquisition jfield@jewishgen.org
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Re: 1793 Census
#austria-czech
Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
Belated thanks to all those, especially Celia Male, who explained the
meaning of Schnittwarenhandel; Kurzenwarenhandel; Bandehandel Fleklhandel and Buenkelgehen. The 1793 Census is an exceptionally useful and interesting publication - and will be even more so when the work is finally completed, hopefully later this year. The census is being published by the Czech National Archive and the status is currently that of work in progress; 4 vols already published and 2 or 3 more scheduled. Each volume deals with three or four administrative districts or "kraj". Each kraj has its own index (sadly no centralised or comprehensive index). For those who might like to acquire the work themselves, the details are: Soupis zidovskych rodin v Cechach z roku 1793 Vol.1. Loketsky kraj, Boleslavsky kraj, Budejovicky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2002 ISBN 80-85475-91-X Vol.2 Kourimsky kraj, Bydzovsky kraj, Litomericky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2003 ISBN 80-85475-96-0 Vol.3 Prachensky kraj, Berounsky kraj, Taborsky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2003 ISBN 80-86712-93-6 Vol.4 Chrudimsky kraj, Plzensky kraj, Zatecky kraj, Hradecky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2004 ISBN 80-86712-12-5 A friend bought me my copies and posted them to me, but I understand the publications are available >from the Research room of the Czech National Archive, Str. Milady Horakove 133, 160 00 Praha 6. Tel.: +420 974 847 834 e-mail: sua1@mvcr.cz - for the attention of Ms Kynslova. (The books are very inexpensive - about four ot five pounds sterling each) The catalogue of the British Library indicates that it holds Vols 1-3 and I understand that later volumes are on order. With best wishes Ruth Coman London, England Researching: SALUS, Bohemia; SCHUESSLER,Bohemia,Wien; LOEWY, Kolodeje nad Luznici,Kolin; FISCHER,Kolin; FRIED,Kolin,Praha; MELZER,Zatec; MOC,MOTZ,Bohemia
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: 1793 Census
#austria-czech
Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
Belated thanks to all those, especially Celia Male, who explained the
meaning of Schnittwarenhandel; Kurzenwarenhandel; Bandehandel Fleklhandel and Buenkelgehen. The 1793 Census is an exceptionally useful and interesting publication - and will be even more so when the work is finally completed, hopefully later this year. The census is being published by the Czech National Archive and the status is currently that of work in progress; 4 vols already published and 2 or 3 more scheduled. Each volume deals with three or four administrative districts or "kraj". Each kraj has its own index (sadly no centralised or comprehensive index). For those who might like to acquire the work themselves, the details are: Soupis zidovskych rodin v Cechach z roku 1793 Vol.1. Loketsky kraj, Boleslavsky kraj, Budejovicky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2002 ISBN 80-85475-91-X Vol.2 Kourimsky kraj, Bydzovsky kraj, Litomericky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2003 ISBN 80-85475-96-0 Vol.3 Prachensky kraj, Berounsky kraj, Taborsky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2003 ISBN 80-86712-93-6 Vol.4 Chrudimsky kraj, Plzensky kraj, Zatecky kraj, Hradecky kraj Statni ustredni archiv v Praze 2004 ISBN 80-86712-12-5 A friend bought me my copies and posted them to me, but I understand the publications are available >from the Research room of the Czech National Archive, Str. Milady Horakove 133, 160 00 Praha 6. Tel.: +420 974 847 834 e-mail: sua1@mvcr.cz - for the attention of Ms Kynslova. (The books are very inexpensive - about four ot five pounds sterling each) The catalogue of the British Library indicates that it holds Vols 1-3 and I understand that later volumes are on order. With best wishes Ruth Coman London, England Researching: SALUS, Bohemia; SCHUESSLER,Bohemia,Wien; LOEWY, Kolodeje nad Luznici,Kolin; FISCHER,Kolin; FRIED,Kolin,Praha; MELZER,Zatec; MOC,MOTZ,Bohemia
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my "faceless" grandfather
#belarus
Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
Not to refute the ramblings of our fearless leader, but, some time ago, I
documented the Wolpa plot in Mt Zion Centemtery in Queens. In that plot, there were four ARKIN graves (Not the ones that Jeff was looking for), but I did send that information on to Jeff privately. I also mentioned to him that I have about 40-50 photos of tombstones in that plot. (I have plans to donate them to the cemetery project). I am writing this here because in that cemetery and in that burial society, there was a custom of putting a photo on the tombstone. This aspect of this cemetery is documented in a book that is sold at the Mt. Zion office. My computer is on the fritz, but once I am fully back on line, I will check the photos that I have >from the Wolpa plot and I will notify the readers of this digest which photos of stones include photographs of the deceased. This is one of the more unusual places to locate a photograph of a deceased ancestor. Regards >from Dave's fan, Marlene Bishow Rockville, MD Perhaps someone else can add to what I have written, although this reallydied at obtainingan early age.---snip <http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm>;copies? <http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;
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Belarus SIG #Belarus my "faceless" grandfather
#belarus
Marlene Bishow <mlbishow@...>
Not to refute the ramblings of our fearless leader, but, some time ago, I
documented the Wolpa plot in Mt Zion Centemtery in Queens. In that plot, there were four ARKIN graves (Not the ones that Jeff was looking for), but I did send that information on to Jeff privately. I also mentioned to him that I have about 40-50 photos of tombstones in that plot. (I have plans to donate them to the cemetery project). I am writing this here because in that cemetery and in that burial society, there was a custom of putting a photo on the tombstone. This aspect of this cemetery is documented in a book that is sold at the Mt. Zion office. My computer is on the fritz, but once I am fully back on line, I will check the photos that I have >from the Wolpa plot and I will notify the readers of this digest which photos of stones include photographs of the deceased. This is one of the more unusual places to locate a photograph of a deceased ancestor. Regards >from Dave's fan, Marlene Bishow Rockville, MD Perhaps someone else can add to what I have written, although this reallydied at obtainingan early age.---snip <http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/bnl_index.htm>;copies? <http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/>;
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Manifest for Freida DEMBURG
#belarus
Karen Zale
I just received a copy of my grandmother's manifest
(Sima FINKELSTEIN SORKIN). She travel to the United States with Freida DEMBURG. Freida was going on to Montreal. If Freida's family would like a copy of the manifest please get in touch with me privately. Karen Zale Plano, TX kbzpzq@yahoo.com ZALEFSKY/SALEWSKI - Shereshero,Belarus; FINKELSTEIN - Shchedrin, Belarus; SORKIN - Rogochovi, Belarus; KAPLAN - near Odessa; GREENBERG (GRUNSTEIN)- near Warsaw; GOLDENBERG - Austria; KELLERMAN - Austria/Germany; JOSHKOWITZ - Germany; EHRENFREUND - Tarnow, Galicia; __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Manifest for Freida DEMBURG
#belarus
Karen Zale
I just received a copy of my grandmother's manifest
(Sima FINKELSTEIN SORKIN). She travel to the United States with Freida DEMBURG. Freida was going on to Montreal. If Freida's family would like a copy of the manifest please get in touch with me privately. Karen Zale Plano, TX kbzpzq@yahoo.com ZALEFSKY/SALEWSKI - Shereshero,Belarus; FINKELSTEIN - Shchedrin, Belarus; SORKIN - Rogochovi, Belarus; KAPLAN - near Odessa; GREENBERG (GRUNSTEIN)- near Warsaw; GOLDENBERG - Austria; KELLERMAN - Austria/Germany; JOSHKOWITZ - Germany; EHRENFREUND - Tarnow, Galicia; __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
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Re: Visit to Vienna
#austria-czech
In the context of this discussion, it does not seem supererogatory to say
that most of the mentioned information on genealogical sources in Vienna is contained in the Beginner's Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy on our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm Randol Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA MODERATOR NOTE: Several readers have posted their suggestions, both publically and privately. Any further suggestions should be sent off-list to the original enquirer.
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Visit to Vienna
#austria-czech
In the context of this discussion, it does not seem supererogatory to say
that most of the mentioned information on genealogical sources in Vienna is contained in the Beginner's Guide to Austrian-Jewish Genealogy on our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm Randol Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA MODERATOR NOTE: Several readers have posted their suggestions, both publically and privately. Any further suggestions should be sent off-list to the original enquirer.
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Re: Soc.for History of Czechoslovak Jews, NYC March 6
#austria-czech
Vitdoc@...
I am a member of this organization that was responsible for the
publication of books, The Jews of Czechoslovakia volumes 1, 2, and 3 and periodicals known as Reviews one through 6. Rabbi Norman Patz is the current President and the organization is run >from his synagogue: Temple Sholom of West Essex 760 Pomton Avenue Cedar Grove , NJ 07009 Some copies of these books may still be available. Susan Boyer LA CA
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Soc.for History of Czechoslovak Jews, NYC March 6
#austria-czech
Vitdoc@...
I am a member of this organization that was responsible for the
publication of books, The Jews of Czechoslovakia volumes 1, 2, and 3 and periodicals known as Reviews one through 6. Rabbi Norman Patz is the current President and the organization is run >from his synagogue: Temple Sholom of West Essex 760 Pomton Avenue Cedar Grove , NJ 07009 Some copies of these books may still be available. Susan Boyer LA CA
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Re: re Cowan/Schneiderman from Latvia
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: re Cowan/Schneiderman from Latvia
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Re: re Cowan/Schneiderman from Latvia
#latvia
Arlene Beare <arl@...>
Anne
Friedrichstadt is now Jaunjelgava and if you go to the Latvia SIG webpage and look at the map you will see it. Follow the river down from Riga towards Daugavpils. Naira is the same place and was justanother name for it. http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/ Chesnik is a little more difficult. Perhaps Chesniki in the Ukraine. 72km SE of Lviv. There is Jesenik in the Czech Republic122km NNE of Brno Jezena in Belarus not on modern maps. Was in Nowogrodek Province. Just some thoughts. Arlene Beare UK Anne Brest wrote:
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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: re Cowan/Schneiderman from Latvia
#latvia
Arlene Beare <arl@...>
Anne
Friedrichstadt is now Jaunjelgava and if you go to the Latvia SIG webpage and look at the map you will see it. Follow the river down from Riga towards Daugavpils. Naira is the same place and was justanother name for it. http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia/ Chesnik is a little more difficult. Perhaps Chesniki in the Ukraine. 72km SE of Lviv. There is Jesenik in the Czech Republic122km NNE of Brno Jezena in Belarus not on modern maps. Was in Nowogrodek Province. Just some thoughts. Arlene Beare UK Anne Brest wrote:
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