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Re: Query on Russians who came to US and returned to Russia #general

Nardo Bonomi
 

Dear researchers,

I have the same in my family: four members arrived in the years twenty from
Russia in Italy and went back in URSS in the first years thirty.
A possible source are consular records stored in the archives of consulates
or embassies.
For Italy the archives of the consulates and embassies of Russia/SSSR are
stored today in Rome, not in Moskow.
Sincerely

Nardo Bonomi
Le Pialle - 50022
Greve in Chianti - Firenze - Italy
Email: nbonomi@libero.it

Researching on:
BRAVERMAN >from Podolya; GROBMAN Ukraine; LUFT >from Galizia
GRUNBLATT >from Galizia/ OCCHIPINTI Sicily

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rochelle Kaplan" <rochelle@wifunds.com>

Dear Folks,

I recently learned that a cousin,Israel CAROLIN/KAROLIN >from what is now
Belarus, near Grodno, came to the US in around 1905 (he is on 1910
Census for Brooklyn, NY and is then 48), didn't like it here, and
returned to what was then Russia. Suggestions for how I might find more
about this return back (particulars like ship manifests, passports,
applications) or general info about folks who did this and procedures
they followed, where I might find records- appreciated. His children
remained in the US.


"Ganvenen die grenetz": Migration without passport #ukraine

David Thaler <dathaler@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Pamela Weisberger clearly described the situation of women, that almost
always had passport when migrating, and young men, many without passport as
consequence of their Army situation.

Binnie Yeates wrote in Re.: Any ideas?
" The family story I grew up with was that my gfather made it >from Zborow
to
England at the very beginning of the 20th century without a passport.
Anyone
have any ideas / information as to how he could have managed it? "

My grandparents migrated in 1913 >from Kiliya/ Bessarabia to Hamburg and then
to South America.
"Ganvenen die grenetz" (stealing the border) was the Yiddish expression they
used to describe their journey >from the Black Sea (less than 100 miles SW
from Odessa) to Northwestern Germany.
Some kind of mafia lead them 1100 miles NW across several countries. I
wonder if such organization was similar to nowadays mafias used by poor
people looking to migrate into the USA or Europe.

David Thaler
Buenos Aires / Argentina
dathaler@fibertel.com.ar


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Query on Russians who came to US and returned to Russia #general

Nardo Bonomi
 

Dear researchers,

I have the same in my family: four members arrived in the years twenty from
Russia in Italy and went back in URSS in the first years thirty.
A possible source are consular records stored in the archives of consulates
or embassies.
For Italy the archives of the consulates and embassies of Russia/SSSR are
stored today in Rome, not in Moskow.
Sincerely

Nardo Bonomi
Le Pialle - 50022
Greve in Chianti - Firenze - Italy
Email: nbonomi@libero.it

Researching on:
BRAVERMAN >from Podolya; GROBMAN Ukraine; LUFT >from Galizia
GRUNBLATT >from Galizia/ OCCHIPINTI Sicily

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rochelle Kaplan" <rochelle@wifunds.com>

Dear Folks,

I recently learned that a cousin,Israel CAROLIN/KAROLIN >from what is now
Belarus, near Grodno, came to the US in around 1905 (he is on 1910
Census for Brooklyn, NY and is then 48), didn't like it here, and
returned to what was then Russia. Suggestions for how I might find more
about this return back (particulars like ship manifests, passports,
applications) or general info about folks who did this and procedures
they followed, where I might find records- appreciated. His children
remained in the US.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine "Ganvenen die grenetz": Migration without passport #ukraine

David Thaler <dathaler@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Pamela Weisberger clearly described the situation of women, that almost
always had passport when migrating, and young men, many without passport as
consequence of their Army situation.

Binnie Yeates wrote in Re.: Any ideas?
" The family story I grew up with was that my gfather made it >from Zborow
to
England at the very beginning of the 20th century without a passport.
Anyone
have any ideas / information as to how he could have managed it? "

My grandparents migrated in 1913 >from Kiliya/ Bessarabia to Hamburg and then
to South America.
"Ganvenen die grenetz" (stealing the border) was the Yiddish expression they
used to describe their journey >from the Black Sea (less than 100 miles SW
from Odessa) to Northwestern Germany.
Some kind of mafia lead them 1100 miles NW across several countries. I
wonder if such organization was similar to nowadays mafias used by poor
people looking to migrate into the USA or Europe.

David Thaler
Buenos Aires / Argentina
dathaler@fibertel.com.ar


Jefferson Market Court - Any Way to Get Information About Cases Heard There? #general

ZIP908@...
 

I found a short article in the December 9, 1895 New York Times about one of
my ancestors having been arrested for stealing a number of bicycles. He was
arraigned at the Jefferson Market Court before a magistrate, and he was held
over for further examination the following day.

Of course this "crime of the century" was not important enough for the New
York Times to provide a follow-up, and I was wondering whether, more than 100
years later, there would be any records available regarding matters heard at
this court.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan NJ
zip908@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jefferson Market Court - Any Way to Get Information About Cases Heard There? #general

ZIP908@...
 

I found a short article in the December 9, 1895 New York Times about one of
my ancestors having been arrested for stealing a number of bicycles. He was
arraigned at the Jefferson Market Court before a magistrate, and he was held
over for further examination the following day.

Of course this "crime of the century" was not important enough for the New
York Times to provide a follow-up, and I was wondering whether, more than 100
years later, there would be any records available regarding matters heard at
this court.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan NJ
zip908@aol.com


Holocaust Research #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Rudolf,

The reply to your posting >from Virginia Lenziger should prove helpful to
you.

You seem quite annoyed that nobody replied to your request. Please note
that every responder to posters' questions is a volunteer. No one gets
paid here. There is no particular reason why anyone should have the
particular information you request. Searching for relatives is not an
instant process. If the first thing doesn't work, you have to try something
else.

I suggest that you direct your inquiry to the U S Holocaust Memorial Museum
(USHHM) in Washington, D. C. and ask them how *you* can go about getting the
information you want. It is their purpose in life to collect information
about the Holocaust and its victims.

Have you posted your names to the JGFF? and have you looked for a Yizkor
Book for his community. You don't mention where he was born. Even if there
is no Yizklor Book, you might write to the mayor of his community and see if
anyone is writing a history of the Holocaust for the community .

There are other possibilities depending on where he was born.

If he was born in Germany,. the recent second edition of the "Black Book" of
those Germans who were killed in the Holocaust, now including East Germany
might have a reference to him. Large city libraries or College of University
Libraries. might have this book.

Good luck, Joseph Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Holocaust Research #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Rudolf,

The reply to your posting >from Virginia Lenziger should prove helpful to
you.

You seem quite annoyed that nobody replied to your request. Please note
that every responder to posters' questions is a volunteer. No one gets
paid here. There is no particular reason why anyone should have the
particular information you request. Searching for relatives is not an
instant process. If the first thing doesn't work, you have to try something
else.

I suggest that you direct your inquiry to the U S Holocaust Memorial Museum
(USHHM) in Washington, D. C. and ask them how *you* can go about getting the
information you want. It is their purpose in life to collect information
about the Holocaust and its victims.

Have you posted your names to the JGFF? and have you looked for a Yizkor
Book for his community. You don't mention where he was born. Even if there
is no Yizklor Book, you might write to the mayor of his community and see if
anyone is writing a history of the Holocaust for the community .

There are other possibilities depending on where he was born.

If he was born in Germany,. the recent second edition of the "Black Book" of
those Germans who were killed in the Holocaust, now including East Germany
might have a reference to him. Large city libraries or College of University
Libraries. might have this book.

Good luck, Joseph Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


Correction re: posting of Holocaust-related resources at IAJGS Conference #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

There was an error in my message about the Holocaust-related resources and
lectures at the 26th IAJGS Conference.

The Shoah Foundation will *not* be providing access to the videotaped
testimonies. What will be available in the Resource Room will be access to
the Visual History Archive search tool and the testimony catalog. They will
be demonstrating how the search engine works.

For more information about the Conference, go to www.jgsny2006.org

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Correction re: posting of Holocaust-related resources at IAJGS Conference #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

There was an error in my message about the Holocaust-related resources and
lectures at the 26th IAJGS Conference.

The Shoah Foundation will *not* be providing access to the videotaped
testimonies. What will be available in the Resource Room will be access to
the Visual History Archive search tool and the testimony catalog. They will
be demonstrating how the search engine works.

For more information about the Conference, go to www.jgsny2006.org

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th Annual IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #latvia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Jewish Ancestors?
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk



--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


Latvia SIG #Latvia Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #latvia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Jewish Ancestors?
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk



--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide:
--------------------------------
Jewish Ancestors?
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk





--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide:
--------------------------------
Jewish Ancestors?
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy
in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk





--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Updated version of:

Jewish Ancestors? A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk





--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Updated Latvian Genealogy Guide #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Updated version of:

Jewish Ancestors? A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia & Estonia
ISBN: 0-9537669-9-3 (144 pages - paperback)
Price: =A36.75 (UK) - =A38.95 (Overseas) prices include postage
Published by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain =AD June 2006
Written by Arlene Beare

DESCRIPTION
This is the eighth publication in the Jewish=20
Ancestors series published by the JGSGB. The=20
intention is to provide an insight into Jewish=20
genealogy in the former Russian Empire with=20
special reference to the laws governing Jews in=20
the Baltic countries of Latvia and Estonia.=20
Subjects include a brief history of Latvia,=20
information on archival research inside and=20
outside Latvia, conscription, emigration, the=20
Holocaust in Latvia including Rumbula memorial,=20
cemeteries, museums and libraries. The internet=20
section has been updated with useful URLs and=20
details of databases on the net. There is a short=20
guided tour of what Jewish sites to see when=20
visiting Riga and includes a number of maps and=20
coloured pictures. A listing of Jewish Firms in=20
Riga in 1891 has many names and addresses.

The Estonian section includes a short history of=20
the Country, archives and resources, Holocaust,=20
Jewish schools and education, bibliography and references

The author, Arlene Beare, is a past Chairman of=20
the JGSGB Latvian Special Interest Group and Past=20
President of Jewishgen Latvia SIG. She is the=20
Latvia SIG's co-ordinator of the Jewishgen Latvia=20
Database and has extensive knowledge of research in this part of the world.

PAYMENT BY:
PayPal: via our web-site <http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/>www.jgsgb.org.uk
Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.
Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great=
Britain.
POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans,
Herts. AL2 3WH. England. U.K.
E-mail: publications@jgsgb.org.uk





--=20
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
--=20


STEIGER #romania

bmwymore@...
 

Hi fellow genners,
I just joined this SIG and I don't know anything about Bukovina. My grandfather's half-brother arrived in New York in 1903 >from Radautz. His name was Jossel STEIGER. I'd like to know if I can use JRI-Poland to find the birth record >from Radautz, or, if not, how would I go about researching this. He was born in 1884.
Thank you for your help.

Brenda Wymore
Oregon, US


Romania SIG #Romania STEIGER #romania

bmwymore@...
 

Hi fellow genners,
I just joined this SIG and I don't know anything about Bukovina. My grandfather's half-brother arrived in New York in 1903 >from Radautz. His name was Jossel STEIGER. I'd like to know if I can use JRI-Poland to find the birth record >from Radautz, or, if not, how would I go about researching this. He was born in 1884.
Thank you for your help.

Brenda Wymore
Oregon, US


Why Latvia #latvia

Chaim freedman
 

My family also lived in the south-east Ukraine in Berdyansk, on the Sea of
Azov, and in the Jewish Agricultural colonies of Yekaterinoslav Guberniya.
My grandparents and mother left in 1913 and had to travel north to Libau to
catch a ship to London and then all the way back via the Suez canal to reach
Australia. Likewise, my grandfather's mother and siblings travelled >from
Yuzovka (Donetsk) in 1922 to Riga and others travelled via Poland.

None of this had any connection with family visits in the north where the
families originated in the mid nineteenth century.

Apparently there was no accessible route via the Black Sea ports.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il


Latvia SIG #Latvia Why Latvia #latvia

Chaim freedman
 

My family also lived in the south-east Ukraine in Berdyansk, on the Sea of
Azov, and in the Jewish Agricultural colonies of Yekaterinoslav Guberniya.
My grandparents and mother left in 1913 and had to travel north to Libau to
catch a ship to London and then all the way back via the Suez canal to reach
Australia. Likewise, my grandfather's mother and siblings travelled >from
Yuzovka (Donetsk) in 1922 to Riga and others travelled via Poland.

None of this had any connection with family visits in the north where the
families originated in the mid nineteenth century.

Apparently there was no accessible route via the Black Sea ports.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il