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Re: Ancestry of some Hungarian Jews - tribes #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Robert Israel writes that some Christians of the time period in question thought
that Jews were still organized by tribes.

I receive at least 5-10 "what tribe" questions - mostly >from non-Jews - each week
at Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog. These are in addition to the
normal Kohanim-Leviim questions.

It wasn't only the Hungarian bureaucrats of a certain age. The belief is still
firmly around today, as evidenced by these inquiries, which seem to be increasing.

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht1@...
schelly@...
Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog tracingthetribe.blogspot.com
International Jewish GraveYard Rabbit jewishgraveyardrabbit.blogspot.com


From: Robert Israel <israel@...>
MBernet@... writes:
I've had some suggestions that the census enumerators were pious Catholics who
wanted to ensure that all Jews were returned in tribal order...

It reminds me of a line in Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice": Tubal, a wealthy
Hebrew of my tribe,... and also of a fellow in Alaska who, on finding out that my
son was Jewish (the first Jew he had ever met),asked him "what tribe are you from?"
I think the simplest explanation is this: some Christians, having little direct
contact with contemporary Jews but knowing their Bible, thought that the Jews were
still organized by tribes....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ancestry of some Hungarian Jews - tribes #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Robert Israel writes that some Christians of the time period in question thought
that Jews were still organized by tribes.

I receive at least 5-10 "what tribe" questions - mostly >from non-Jews - each week
at Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog. These are in addition to the
normal Kohanim-Leviim questions.

It wasn't only the Hungarian bureaucrats of a certain age. The belief is still
firmly around today, as evidenced by these inquiries, which seem to be increasing.

Best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht1@...
schelly@...
Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog tracingthetribe.blogspot.com
International Jewish GraveYard Rabbit jewishgraveyardrabbit.blogspot.com


From: Robert Israel <israel@...>
MBernet@... writes:
I've had some suggestions that the census enumerators were pious Catholics who
wanted to ensure that all Jews were returned in tribal order...

It reminds me of a line in Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice": Tubal, a wealthy
Hebrew of my tribe,... and also of a fellow in Alaska who, on finding out that my
son was Jewish (the first Jew he had ever met),asked him "what tribe are you from?"
I think the simplest explanation is this: some Christians, having little direct
contact with contemporary Jews but knowing their Bible, thought that the Jews were
still organized by tribes....


Geldverwaltungs-Karte - Money Administration Cards - Buchenwald Concentration Camp #general

Judith Elam
 

My great-uncle, Abraham WIENER, was deported to Buchenwald camp Sep 1, 1939.
Technically speaking, he was a survivor, but tragically he died within weeks of the
camp's liberation date of April 11, 1945. Abraham died of typhus at the camp
hospital May 14, 1945. I had put in a search request with the International
Tracing Service and was amazed at the amount and variety of records they sent me on
Abraham at Buchenwald.

They sent me all the Geldverwaltungs-Karte (money administration cards) for him,
starting Nov 1939 to June 1944. These were cards showing monies in and monies out,
with his signature for each entry. My question is, where would he be receiving
money from? Weren't the inmates slave laborers? Were these "wages" he was
receiving?

Please respond privately to elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Geldverwaltungs-Karte - Money Administration Cards - Buchenwald Concentration Camp #general

Judith Elam
 

My great-uncle, Abraham WIENER, was deported to Buchenwald camp Sep 1, 1939.
Technically speaking, he was a survivor, but tragically he died within weeks of the
camp's liberation date of April 11, 1945. Abraham died of typhus at the camp
hospital May 14, 1945. I had put in a search request with the International
Tracing Service and was amazed at the amount and variety of records they sent me on
Abraham at Buchenwald.

They sent me all the Geldverwaltungs-Karte (money administration cards) for him,
starting Nov 1939 to June 1944. These were cards showing monies in and monies out,
with his signature for each entry. My question is, where would he be receiving
money from? Weren't the inmates slave laborers? Were these "wages" he was
receiving?

Please respond privately to elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


WEISS - Oranienburg & Berlin #general

Judith Elam
 

I would love to know what happened to my grandfather's first cousins - Conrad WEISS
and his brother Franz WEISS of Berlin. Conrad and Franz WEISS were the sons of Max
WEISS, partner in the company WEISS & KAPHAN, bankers, Landgrafenstrasse 19. Max
appears to have been a director of A-G fur Landwirtschaftliche Produkte, Berlin,
Autowerke Peters u. Moritz, Engelhardt-Brauerei A-G, Generale Trust Company and
Landwirtschaftliche Handels A-G. Max WEISS was born Nov 24, 1843, Oranienburg.
His brother Arnold and sister Klara (my ggm) were also born in Oranienburg. I
understand the Jewish community of Oranienburg was only about 100 people, so I
would assume that any WEISS >from Oranienburg was a relative.

It looks like Conrad replaced his father in WEISS & KAPHAN when Max died April
1926. Additional addresses I have found for Conrad are Potsdamerstrasse 14,
Budapesterstrasse 13 and Kurfurstendamm 241, all in Berlin. Conrad is listed under
"Adressbuch der Direktoren & Aufsichsrate, 1925" for Preussiches Leihhaus zu
Berlin, Kommandantenstr 10/11, Engelhardt-Brauerei Aktiengesellschaft,
Alexanderstr 44/48 and Geschaftsinhaber, Weiss & Kaphan. There is also a Dr. B.
WEISS listed under Weiss & Kaphan. I am wondering if he was a relative too.
Franz WEISS' address around 1908 was Maassenstrasse 22, Berlin.

I cannot find any matches for Conrad or Franz WEISS on Jewishgen, Yad Vashem or
Ancestry.com or the National Archives UK. Can anyone suggest how I might find
them? Please respond privately to elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


Obtaining pre-1949 NYC Death Certificates #general

gilah@...
 

There have been several notes recently about obtaining NYC death certificates >from
the NYC Archives. I successfully purchased quite a few of these certified copies
(as well as marriage certificates) >from the NYC Archives before I found a much
cheaper source: the LDS Family History Center. Once one has acquired the
certificate number and date and location of death (or marriage) >from the Italian
Genealogy Group website index, one can query, by subject and year on the FHC
website and identify the appropriate microfilm. Print out and fill out the order
form, send in $2 per document and about 2-3 weeks later your documents will arrive.
The copies you receive are excellent photo copies. One may order up to 8 documents
per order form. Only once so far have I received the wrong certificate. I believe
that was due to a mistake in the Italian Gen. index.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obtaining pre-1949 NYC Death Certificates #general

gilah@...
 

There have been several notes recently about obtaining NYC death certificates >from
the NYC Archives. I successfully purchased quite a few of these certified copies
(as well as marriage certificates) >from the NYC Archives before I found a much
cheaper source: the LDS Family History Center. Once one has acquired the
certificate number and date and location of death (or marriage) >from the Italian
Genealogy Group website index, one can query, by subject and year on the FHC
website and identify the appropriate microfilm. Print out and fill out the order
form, send in $2 per document and about 2-3 weeks later your documents will arrive.
The copies you receive are excellent photo copies. One may order up to 8 documents
per order form. Only once so far have I received the wrong certificate. I believe
that was due to a mistake in the Italian Gen. index.

Emily Garber
Phoenix, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WEISS - Oranienburg & Berlin #general

Judith Elam
 

I would love to know what happened to my grandfather's first cousins - Conrad WEISS
and his brother Franz WEISS of Berlin. Conrad and Franz WEISS were the sons of Max
WEISS, partner in the company WEISS & KAPHAN, bankers, Landgrafenstrasse 19. Max
appears to have been a director of A-G fur Landwirtschaftliche Produkte, Berlin,
Autowerke Peters u. Moritz, Engelhardt-Brauerei A-G, Generale Trust Company and
Landwirtschaftliche Handels A-G. Max WEISS was born Nov 24, 1843, Oranienburg.
His brother Arnold and sister Klara (my ggm) were also born in Oranienburg. I
understand the Jewish community of Oranienburg was only about 100 people, so I
would assume that any WEISS >from Oranienburg was a relative.

It looks like Conrad replaced his father in WEISS & KAPHAN when Max died April
1926. Additional addresses I have found for Conrad are Potsdamerstrasse 14,
Budapesterstrasse 13 and Kurfurstendamm 241, all in Berlin. Conrad is listed under
"Adressbuch der Direktoren & Aufsichsrate, 1925" for Preussiches Leihhaus zu
Berlin, Kommandantenstr 10/11, Engelhardt-Brauerei Aktiengesellschaft,
Alexanderstr 44/48 and Geschaftsinhaber, Weiss & Kaphan. There is also a Dr. B.
WEISS listed under Weiss & Kaphan. I am wondering if he was a relative too.
Franz WEISS' address around 1908 was Maassenstrasse 22, Berlin.

I cannot find any matches for Conrad or Franz WEISS on Jewishgen, Yad Vashem or
Ancestry.com or the National Archives UK. Can anyone suggest how I might find
them? Please respond privately to elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


Re: "Inmate" - a new connotation of genealogical significance #general

Hilary Henkin
 

Now, you all got me curious! So I did a bit of research. Around the year 1589,
"inmate" is defined as one who is allowed to live in a house rented by another,
usually for money or other consideration. It may originate >from the words for
"inside" and "companion." It's also given as a synonym for "occupant".

One source says it's a person who is living with others in the same building. Only
more recently do we find its use limited to someone confined with others.

And one source says it's synonymous with a lodger, a subtenant or a fellow
occupier. Perhaps based on the words for "inn" and "companion" The idea that it
refers to someone in an institution is first noticed around 1834.

Hilary Henkin
North Hollywood, Calif

Paul King wrote:

Barbara Zimmer's "Connotations of 'inmate'" (22 March 2009) states that "Inmate"
may have different connotations today...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Inmate" - a new connotation of genealogical significance #general

Hilary Henkin
 

Now, you all got me curious! So I did a bit of research. Around the year 1589,
"inmate" is defined as one who is allowed to live in a house rented by another,
usually for money or other consideration. It may originate >from the words for
"inside" and "companion." It's also given as a synonym for "occupant".

One source says it's a person who is living with others in the same building. Only
more recently do we find its use limited to someone confined with others.

And one source says it's synonymous with a lodger, a subtenant or a fellow
occupier. Perhaps based on the words for "inn" and "companion" The idea that it
refers to someone in an institution is first noticed around 1834.

Hilary Henkin
North Hollywood, Calif

Paul King wrote:

Barbara Zimmer's "Connotations of 'inmate'" (22 March 2009) states that "Inmate"
may have different connotations today...


Siegismund SCHWARZ #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for my great-grandmother's brother, Siegismund SCHWARZ, born Kosten
(Koscian)January 5, 1871. His parents were Meier Michaelis SCHWARZ and Ottilie
FISCHEL SCHWARZ. He lived at Johann-Sigismund-Strasse 12,Berlin, around 1921. His
sisters were Julie, Jenny and Martha. I have searched also under the names
Siegmund and Sigmund and found nothing that matches. The International Tracing
Service told me he was stripped of his Germany nationality June 9, 1941. Does that
mean he was probably deported?

I am also searching for Siegismund's nephew, Arthur SILBERSTEIN, son of Jenny
SCHWARZ SILBERSTEIN and Hermann SILBERSTEIN. Arthur was born Jan 18, 1903 in
Kosten (Koscian) and lived in Berlin. Jenny died in 1921 and Hermann was deported
to Riga in 1942. I have found Hermann's record on Yad Vashem, but nothing on his
son.

If anyone can help me, I would be most grateful. Please respond directly to
elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Siegismund SCHWARZ #general

Judith Elam
 

I am searching for my great-grandmother's brother, Siegismund SCHWARZ, born Kosten
(Koscian)January 5, 1871. His parents were Meier Michaelis SCHWARZ and Ottilie
FISCHEL SCHWARZ. He lived at Johann-Sigismund-Strasse 12,Berlin, around 1921. His
sisters were Julie, Jenny and Martha. I have searched also under the names
Siegmund and Sigmund and found nothing that matches. The International Tracing
Service told me he was stripped of his Germany nationality June 9, 1941. Does that
mean he was probably deported?

I am also searching for Siegismund's nephew, Arthur SILBERSTEIN, son of Jenny
SCHWARZ SILBERSTEIN and Hermann SILBERSTEIN. Arthur was born Jan 18, 1903 in
Kosten (Koscian) and lived in Berlin. Jenny died in 1921 and Hermann was deported
to Riga in 1942. I have found Hermann's record on Yad Vashem, but nothing on his
son.

If anyone can help me, I would be most grateful. Please respond directly to
elamj@...

Judith Elam
Hawaii, USA


A shtetl named Shutsin? #belarus

David Gordon
 

I recently had an old family postcard translated and it made reference
to my ggf visiting the town/shtetl of Shutsin before he emigrated to
the U.S. in 1906. He lived in Lapichi (southeast of Minsk, on the
Svisloch River) and the card was >from family in nearby Starye Dorogi.
I can't find anything plausible on Shtetl Finder or on my maps. Can
anyone help me locate this place? Thanks.

David Gordon
tiganeasca at gmail.com
Chicago, IL
Searching:
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi GORDON: Butrimonys
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, Slavien? LEVIN: Butrimonys
DRAZIN: Bobruisk BENENSON: Borisov,HURWITZ: Gomel GETZOV: Smolevichi?


Belarus SIG #Belarus A shtetl named Shutsin? #belarus

David Gordon
 

I recently had an old family postcard translated and it made reference
to my ggf visiting the town/shtetl of Shutsin before he emigrated to
the U.S. in 1906. He lived in Lapichi (southeast of Minsk, on the
Svisloch River) and the card was >from family in nearby Starye Dorogi.
I can't find anything plausible on Shtetl Finder or on my maps. Can
anyone help me locate this place? Thanks.

David Gordon
tiganeasca at gmail.com
Chicago, IL
Searching:
HORWITZ: Smolevichi, Lapichi GORDON: Butrimonys
GEBALOVITCH: Borisov, Slavien? LEVIN: Butrimonys
DRAZIN: Bobruisk BENENSON: Borisov,HURWITZ: Gomel GETZOV: Smolevichi?


The Riga Rabbinate vital records images #latvia

Pavel Bernshtam
 

I'm downloading images of metrical books >from this site - for offline
work with them.
Now I'm working with Daugavpils, so

1. If you are familiar with Linux and/or programming - write me
privately, I'll describe how to download. If each of us will download
different town, we will finish this work quickly.
2. If you wish translate downloaded metrical books - write me (I do
not have a time, unfortunately)

--
Pavel Bernshtam,
javaap@...


Latvia SIG #Latvia The Riga Rabbinate vital records images #latvia

Pavel Bernshtam
 

I'm downloading images of metrical books >from this site - for offline
work with them.
Now I'm working with Daugavpils, so

1. If you are familiar with Linux and/or programming - write me
privately, I'll describe how to download. If each of us will download
different town, we will finish this work quickly.
2. If you wish translate downloaded metrical books - write me (I do
not have a time, unfortunately)

--
Pavel Bernshtam,
javaap@...


The Riga Rabbinate vital records #latvia

Paul Cheifitz
 

Greetings,

Many thanks go to Christine Usdin for allerting us to the amazing collection
Rabbinate records now online and her growing lists of translations of this
unique source.

I would be interested to know whether there's any initiative planned by the
SIG to translate and index the rest of the records available that Christine
isn't working on? Surely they would make a welcome addition to the Jewishgen
Latvia database.

Thank you Christine - you are a true genealogical hero!

Paul Cheifitz
Cape Town, South Africa.
Researching: Vidan, Lotzov, Makwitz - Ludza, Rezekne, Zilupe, Preili
and Cheifitz - Daugavpils


Latvia SIG #Latvia The Riga Rabbinate vital records #latvia

Paul Cheifitz
 

Greetings,

Many thanks go to Christine Usdin for allerting us to the amazing collection
Rabbinate records now online and her growing lists of translations of this
unique source.

I would be interested to know whether there's any initiative planned by the
SIG to translate and index the rest of the records available that Christine
isn't working on? Surely they would make a welcome addition to the Jewishgen
Latvia database.

Thank you Christine - you are a true genealogical hero!

Paul Cheifitz
Cape Town, South Africa.
Researching: Vidan, Lotzov, Makwitz - Ludza, Rezekne, Zilupe, Preili
and Cheifitz - Daugavpils


addresses #latvia

Malcolm Courtney <malcolm.courtney@...>
 

Can anyone help me on these addresses (all I have) in Riga please?

1)Sbronaya 58, Riga and 2) Jekapilsskaya 8, Riga

I have no other information except that this is where my great grandfather =
lived but am unable to locate it in Riga, despite exhaustive searches.

Thank you.

Geraldine Courtney
UK
Researching MARK Lithuania, Estonia & Latvia


Latvia SIG #Latvia addresses #latvia

Malcolm Courtney <malcolm.courtney@...>
 

Can anyone help me on these addresses (all I have) in Riga please?

1)Sbronaya 58, Riga and 2) Jekapilsskaya 8, Riga

I have no other information except that this is where my great grandfather =
lived but am unable to locate it in Riga, despite exhaustive searches.

Thank you.

Geraldine Courtney
UK
Researching MARK Lithuania, Estonia & Latvia