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Re: Nephew/aunt marriage - ASHKENAZI-TREVES/SHAPIRA #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

All, based on the replies I'm getting, it is apparent that my request
was not clear. I will try again.

I know that Jewish law allows uncles and nieces to marry and does not
allow aunts and nephews to marry. I wasn't asking if this union was
permitted. I was specifically asking about it since it seemed
impossible to me for this to happen. I'm wondering if anyone has
specific information about this family that would shed light on the
situation.

Perhaps the aunt was only a stepsister. Perhaps the son was adopted.
Perhaps the information is wrong. I don't know.

This all happened in the 1300s and I'm not sure of locale, so not even
sure where to start looking for actual documents.

Dovie Gelerinter

On 8 Aug 2019 Dovie Gelerinter <gelerinter13@...> wrote:
I was tracing my line and ended up at the same place, two different
ways and was scratching my head over how. I finally took a step back
and figured out that I have a nephew and aunt marrying each other.

Matityahu and Marianne ASHKENAZI-TREVES, based on my info (and Geni
seems to confirm) had two daughters: Miriam and Vergentlin. Miriam
married Shmuel SHAPIRA. They had a son Shlomo. Shlomo married
Vergentlin.

Does this make sense? Can anyone verify that they know about this from
elsewhere? If so, fine, I can move on. Geni.com seems to imply this is
the case as well. It just strikes me as odd so I wanted to call it out
and ask if anyone has any information one way or the other regarding
this.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Nephew/aunt marriage - ASHKENAZI-TREVES/SHAPIRA #general

Dovie Gelerinter
 

All, based on the replies I'm getting, it is apparent that my request
was not clear. I will try again.

I know that Jewish law allows uncles and nieces to marry and does not
allow aunts and nephews to marry. I wasn't asking if this union was
permitted. I was specifically asking about it since it seemed
impossible to me for this to happen. I'm wondering if anyone has
specific information about this family that would shed light on the
situation.

Perhaps the aunt was only a stepsister. Perhaps the son was adopted.
Perhaps the information is wrong. I don't know.

This all happened in the 1300s and I'm not sure of locale, so not even
sure where to start looking for actual documents.

Dovie Gelerinter

On 8 Aug 2019 Dovie Gelerinter <gelerinter13@...> wrote:
I was tracing my line and ended up at the same place, two different
ways and was scratching my head over how. I finally took a step back
and figured out that I have a nephew and aunt marrying each other.

Matityahu and Marianne ASHKENAZI-TREVES, based on my info (and Geni
seems to confirm) had two daughters: Miriam and Vergentlin. Miriam
married Shmuel SHAPIRA. They had a son Shlomo. Shlomo married
Vergentlin.

Does this make sense? Can anyone verify that they know about this from
elsewhere? If so, fine, I can move on. Geni.com seems to imply this is
the case as well. It just strikes me as odd so I wanted to call it out
and ask if anyone has any information one way or the other regarding
this.


Looking for Belarus ELKIN \ ELKIND Searchers #general

Shel
 

Hi All,

Looking for the above who might have a female named "Siva Rina (Sylvia)" in
their tree.

There's greater likelihood the family name for which I'm looking ended with
the "d" as her son spelled it that way on a U.S. Soc. Sec. application.

Siva Rina was likely born between 1860 & 1870 in or near Borizov (Barysaw)
or Minsk, Belarus.

Siva Rina was married to a Mordechai LIPKIND & is thought to have had
between 8 and 10 children. Only 2 of the children emigrated to the U.S.
The rest appear to have been lost, either in pogroms or in the Holocaust.

There are a large number of ELKIND Pages of Testimony at Yad Vashem, but I
couldn't connect any of them to "mine".

There are a number of ELKIN \ ELKIND searchers in the JGFF, so I thought
I'd start this way.

Hopefully,

Shel Bercovich
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Belarus ELKIN \ ELKIND Searchers #general

Shel
 

Hi All,

Looking for the above who might have a female named "Siva Rina (Sylvia)" in
their tree.

There's greater likelihood the family name for which I'm looking ended with
the "d" as her son spelled it that way on a U.S. Soc. Sec. application.

Siva Rina was likely born between 1860 & 1870 in or near Borizov (Barysaw)
or Minsk, Belarus.

Siva Rina was married to a Mordechai LIPKIND & is thought to have had
between 8 and 10 children. Only 2 of the children emigrated to the U.S.
The rest appear to have been lost, either in pogroms or in the Holocaust.

There are a large number of ELKIND Pages of Testimony at Yad Vashem, but I
couldn't connect any of them to "mine".

There are a number of ELKIN \ ELKIND searchers in the JGFF, so I thought
I'd start this way.

Hopefully,

Shel Bercovich
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


family name

sylvia.vanderhoeft@...
 

Hi everyone,
I have a question. On the 1869 census of the "Footsteps of the wonder Rabbis" in Màd our ancestors are listed with the name STEIN ( only mother and children) on the Jewish Gen census 1869 they are listed as STERN and father too, this is really strange because they are obviously the same family. But this is sowing confusion in the family today, they are called STEIN. Any ideas?


Re: Visit JewishGen’s New Website!

Alan Shuchat
 

Here are two suggestions about searching for towns that I hope can be implemented as the website is developed. If I want to look for a town that's more than 10 miles from a given place, I need to do a Radius Search. But I think the only way to get to the Radius Search page is from https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/, the Communities main page. Neither the Communities page nor the Radius Search page is on the list of all databases (perhaps because they do not involve different databases). The Communities page is accessible from https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp, the Town Finder page.

Also, a Radius Search requires starting from a particular latitude and longitude, which makes sense. But if, for instance, I have found a good starting point by locating what I think is a town in the same area and have its latitude and longitude, I cannot copy and paste those coordinates into the Radius Search dialog.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA


Call for Papers for the Galitzianer #poland

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

Gesher Galicia's journal, the 'Galitzianer,' invites members and
non-members of Gesher Galicia to share family stories and other
accounts that have a clear connection to Jewish life in Austrian
Galicia (1772-1918). Submissions can also relate to Jewish life in
the territory of former Galicia during the interwar period and the
Holocaust.

In addition to Galician family stories, here are some other ideas
for articles:

** Profiles of Jewish writers, musicians, artists, political figures,
or others who were active in Galicia

** Topics related to the Jewish press or Jewish literature published
in Galicia

** The intergenerational tensions over education and professional
careers for women in Galicia

Prior to submitting an article, please contact me at
submissions@... with a brief description of your
proposal. Please note that all submitted articles undergo editorial
review and revisions to make sure they conform to the style and
standards of the journal.

For other information about the "Galitzianer," including instructions
for authors, consult our website at
https://www.geshergalicia.org/the-galitzianer/.

Thank you,

Jodi G. Benjamin
Editor, The Galitzianer
The Quarterly Research Journal of Gesher Galicia

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Send all inquiries to submissions@...
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JRI Poland #Poland Call for Papers for the Galitzianer #poland

Gesher Galicia SIG
 

Gesher Galicia's journal, the 'Galitzianer,' invites members and
non-members of Gesher Galicia to share family stories and other
accounts that have a clear connection to Jewish life in Austrian
Galicia (1772-1918). Submissions can also relate to Jewish life in
the territory of former Galicia during the interwar period and the
Holocaust.

In addition to Galician family stories, here are some other ideas
for articles:

** Profiles of Jewish writers, musicians, artists, political figures,
or others who were active in Galicia

** Topics related to the Jewish press or Jewish literature published
in Galicia

** The intergenerational tensions over education and professional
careers for women in Galicia

Prior to submitting an article, please contact me at
submissions@... with a brief description of your
proposal. Please note that all submitted articles undergo editorial
review and revisions to make sure they conform to the style and
standards of the journal.

For other information about the "Galitzianer," including instructions
for authors, consult our website at
https://www.geshergalicia.org/the-galitzianer/.

Thank you,

Jodi G. Benjamin
Editor, The Galitzianer
The Quarterly Research Journal of Gesher Galicia

---
PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL ADDRESS.
Send all inquiries to submissions@...
---


Yiddish papers from Kovno #lithuania

Susan Garfinkel <sgarfink@...>
 

Here are 9 catalog records for Yiddish newspapers >from Kovno held at
the Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/newspapers/?all=true&fa=language:yiddish%7Clocation:lithuania%7Csubject:kaunas.

I didn't click on each one, but checked a few and I believe they are
mostly/all microfilm copies--which suggests that other repositories
will have microfilm copies as well. Some of the titles are the same so
perhaps they are continuations.

To ask more about these microfilms or related items, direct your
questions through Ask A Librarian to the Hebraic Section specialists
using this form: http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-amed.html.

Best,

Susan Garfinkel


On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:18 PM Ted Ashkenazy tia@...
wrote:

Before the War there was a daily Yiddish newspaper published in
Kaunas/Kovno. I wonder whether there exist any archival examples.

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@...


ZELTSER and ISRAELIT families, Kletsk and Vandziogala #rabbinic

sakina.bryant@...
 

Hello,

I am looking for my 3rd and 4th Great-Grandfathers, both of whom were
rabbis.

The first Rabbi is Aharon Zeltser, >from Kletsk, born early enough to
have a son in 1850. He is indicated as such clearly on the NY
gravestones of two of his sons: Aryeh Leib Minsky (originally Zeltser)
and my great-great-grandfather, Chaim Shaul Seltzer. I had heard in
the past he was a rabbi, and Vol. 3 of Yahadut Lita, page 310,
mentions this, along with one son, and that he retired to become a
merchant in Vandziogala, Lithuania. The JewishGen revisions list
confirm this as well. It looks like he may have had other children as
well.

I do not have access to this Yizkor Book in whole. There are a few
pages online though that are here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/lithuania2/lit2_00310.html

Furthermore, it says that Rabbi Aharon Zeltser married the daughter of
another Rabbi, Rabbi Yisroel Israelit (born early enough to have a
grandson in 1850). >from the phrasing, it is unclear where he was from,
and I find no information about him anywhere. Someone suggested to me
that Rabbi Shaul Yisraeli, whose family were originally from
Novogrudek, may be related to this family. But still, I find his
identity confusing and would like to know who Rabbi Yisroel Israelit
is. There are many by this surname in Novogrudek, and a handful in
other parts of Belarus.

The phrasing implies that Rabbi Zeltser worked in Grodno after moving
from Kletsk and before retiring to Vandziogala.
His first son was born in Kletsk. He had a son about ten years later
in Vandziogala. So perhaps he worked in Grodno before his son was
born, or perhaps Rabbi Israelit was working in Grodno. It is not clear
to me.

I am unsure of Rabbi Aharon Zeltser's wife's name, although I suspect
it is Sora, as it is Anglicized to "Sarah Israel" on my
great-great-grandfather's death certificate, issued in Manhattan.

If anyone can assist me with my research into these two families --
especially parents, wives, or siblings, or any further mention of them
-- I would be very, very grateful. I do see brief mentions of the
Zeltser family in the Kletsk Yizkor book, but it would be >from a much
later date.

Thank you very much,

Most respectfully,

Prof. Sakina Bryant
Sonoma County, California


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Yiddish papers from Kovno #lithuania

Susan Garfinkel <sgarfink@...>
 

Here are 9 catalog records for Yiddish newspapers >from Kovno held at
the Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/newspapers/?all=true&fa=language:yiddish%7Clocation:lithuania%7Csubject:kaunas.

I didn't click on each one, but checked a few and I believe they are
mostly/all microfilm copies--which suggests that other repositories
will have microfilm copies as well. Some of the titles are the same so
perhaps they are continuations.

To ask more about these microfilms or related items, direct your
questions through Ask A Librarian to the Hebraic Section specialists
using this form: http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ask-amed.html.

Best,

Susan Garfinkel


On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:18 PM Ted Ashkenazy tia@...
wrote:

Before the War there was a daily Yiddish newspaper published in
Kaunas/Kovno. I wonder whether there exist any archival examples.

Ted Ashkenazy
tia@...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic ZELTSER and ISRAELIT families, Kletsk and Vandziogala #rabbinic

sakina.bryant@...
 

Hello,

I am looking for my 3rd and 4th Great-Grandfathers, both of whom were
rabbis.

The first Rabbi is Aharon Zeltser, >from Kletsk, born early enough to
have a son in 1850. He is indicated as such clearly on the NY
gravestones of two of his sons: Aryeh Leib Minsky (originally Zeltser)
and my great-great-grandfather, Chaim Shaul Seltzer. I had heard in
the past he was a rabbi, and Vol. 3 of Yahadut Lita, page 310,
mentions this, along with one son, and that he retired to become a
merchant in Vandziogala, Lithuania. The JewishGen revisions list
confirm this as well. It looks like he may have had other children as
well.

I do not have access to this Yizkor Book in whole. There are a few
pages online though that are here:
https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/lithuania2/lit2_00310.html

Furthermore, it says that Rabbi Aharon Zeltser married the daughter of
another Rabbi, Rabbi Yisroel Israelit (born early enough to have a
grandson in 1850). >from the phrasing, it is unclear where he was from,
and I find no information about him anywhere. Someone suggested to me
that Rabbi Shaul Yisraeli, whose family were originally from
Novogrudek, may be related to this family. But still, I find his
identity confusing and would like to know who Rabbi Yisroel Israelit
is. There are many by this surname in Novogrudek, and a handful in
other parts of Belarus.

The phrasing implies that Rabbi Zeltser worked in Grodno after moving
from Kletsk and before retiring to Vandziogala.
His first son was born in Kletsk. He had a son about ten years later
in Vandziogala. So perhaps he worked in Grodno before his son was
born, or perhaps Rabbi Israelit was working in Grodno. It is not clear
to me.

I am unsure of Rabbi Aharon Zeltser's wife's name, although I suspect
it is Sora, as it is Anglicized to "Sarah Israel" on my
great-great-grandfather's death certificate, issued in Manhattan.

If anyone can assist me with my research into these two families --
especially parents, wives, or siblings, or any further mention of them
-- I would be very, very grateful. I do see brief mentions of the
Zeltser family in the Kletsk Yizkor book, but it would be >from a much
later date.

Thank you very much,

Most respectfully,

Prof. Sakina Bryant
Sonoma County, California


2019 JewishGen conference in Cleveland (2) #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

Here is the second post about conference. There are going to be two
more following.

==Discovering the Treasures of the Yizkor Books: Using Yizkor Books in
Genealogy Family Research (Tuesday), presented by Sheli Fain and Yefim
ogan. Yizkor Books are compilation of articles about history of a town
or shteitl or a district, family stories, maps and photos, created by
former residents of these places. For many families it could be the
only source of information about them. Sheli Fain translated a number
of Yizkor books in to English, especially I would name one: Jews of
Kishinev. That is a terrific example of what such books consist of.
It was also published by JewishGen, and is available to purchase.

This presentation showed where the Yizkor books can be founded in the
original language, and also some books in Translation into English.
Sheli gave an overview of a structure and content of the books.

I (Yefim K.) gave a few example of how Yizkor books helped me in my
personal genealogical research.

==Why Jews >from the Former Soviet Union Often Called Russians?
(Thursday), presented by Yefim Kogan. I thought about this for some
time, but the idea to present it at the conference came last year,
when I read a label at Marc Chagall works at Fine Arts Museum. It
says Marc Chagall French, Belarussian... and in the online version:
French, born Belarus... How come Chagall became Belarus...
Belarussia was not a contry until late 20 century, he could not be a
citizen of Belarus, and if this is his ethnicity, not sure if I agree
with people who wrote it. Why not to put that he was Jewish or of
Jewish origin?

We talked about Nationality, Passport and what that meant back in the
Soviet Union and in the United States.

Texts of all presentations are going to be available soon online at
the Bessarabia SIG website. If you want to continue discussion this
and possible other questions/issues, please do so at the Bessarabia
SIG Discussion group.

To be continued... see more about other presentations I participated
and my personal experience at the conference and in Cleveland.

For our members who participated at the conference: please post your
view about the conference, presentations you liked, or not. What did
you learn in Cleveland? Also send me photos if you have >from the
conference.

Yefim Kogan and Inna Vayner
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leaders and Coordinators


Seeking Moses JEWELSOHN / YEVELSON son of Hirsch from Riga #latvia

Orit Lavi
 

Dear Friends,

Moses JEWELSOHN (various spellings) was born in Riga in 1901, to Hirsch and
Chava. In 1921 he immigrated to Palestine, as did his parents, and some of
his siblings.
Other siblings remained in Riga, or immigrated to the USA and to Brazil.

Moses (Moisi, Moshe)'s fate is unknown since the 1920s. Any info about him
would be highly appreciated.

In addition, the father Hirsch JEWELSOHN / YEVELSON was widowed in Palestine
in 1928. Following that, I lost track of him.
He was born in Riga ca. 1864 to Shalom (Scholom). Any info about his fate
would also be most welcome.

Thanks a lot in advance,

Orit Lavi
Tsukey Yam, Israel


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia 2019 JewishGen conference in Cleveland (2) #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan
 

Hi everybody,

Here is the second post about conference. There are going to be two
more following.

==Discovering the Treasures of the Yizkor Books: Using Yizkor Books in
Genealogy Family Research (Tuesday), presented by Sheli Fain and Yefim
ogan. Yizkor Books are compilation of articles about history of a town
or shteitl or a district, family stories, maps and photos, created by
former residents of these places. For many families it could be the
only source of information about them. Sheli Fain translated a number
of Yizkor books in to English, especially I would name one: Jews of
Kishinev. That is a terrific example of what such books consist of.
It was also published by JewishGen, and is available to purchase.

This presentation showed where the Yizkor books can be founded in the
original language, and also some books in Translation into English.
Sheli gave an overview of a structure and content of the books.

I (Yefim K.) gave a few example of how Yizkor books helped me in my
personal genealogical research.

==Why Jews >from the Former Soviet Union Often Called Russians?
(Thursday), presented by Yefim Kogan. I thought about this for some
time, but the idea to present it at the conference came last year,
when I read a label at Marc Chagall works at Fine Arts Museum. It
says Marc Chagall French, Belarussian... and in the online version:
French, born Belarus... How come Chagall became Belarus...
Belarussia was not a contry until late 20 century, he could not be a
citizen of Belarus, and if this is his ethnicity, not sure if I agree
with people who wrote it. Why not to put that he was Jewish or of
Jewish origin?

We talked about Nationality, Passport and what that meant back in the
Soviet Union and in the United States.

Texts of all presentations are going to be available soon online at
the Bessarabia SIG website. If you want to continue discussion this
and possible other questions/issues, please do so at the Bessarabia
SIG Discussion group.

To be continued... see more about other presentations I participated
and my personal experience at the conference and in Cleveland.

For our members who participated at the conference: please post your
view about the conference, presentations you liked, or not. What did
you learn in Cleveland? Also send me photos if you have >from the
conference.

Yefim Kogan and Inna Vayner
JewishGen Bessarabia SIG Leaders and Coordinators


Latvia SIG #Latvia Seeking Moses JEWELSOHN / YEVELSON son of Hirsch from Riga #latvia

Orit Lavi
 

Dear Friends,

Moses JEWELSOHN (various spellings) was born in Riga in 1901, to Hirsch and
Chava. In 1921 he immigrated to Palestine, as did his parents, and some of
his siblings.
Other siblings remained in Riga, or immigrated to the USA and to Brazil.

Moses (Moisi, Moshe)'s fate is unknown since the 1920s. Any info about him
would be highly appreciated.

In addition, the father Hirsch JEWELSOHN / YEVELSON was widowed in Palestine
in 1928. Following that, I lost track of him.
He was born in Riga ca. 1864 to Shalom (Scholom). Any info about his fate
would also be most welcome.

Thanks a lot in advance,

Orit Lavi
Tsukey Yam, Israel


online Jewish film #bessarabia

Cassio Tolpolar
 

The documentary Mamaliga Blues will be soon discontinued >from the Dark
Hollow Films website. If you are interested in watching this film about
a Brazilian family investigating its ancient Jewish history in present
day Moldova, please click on the link below. You are welcome to share
it with your friends too. Thanks!

https://mamaligablues.vhx.tv/

Cassio Tolpolar


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia online Jewish film #bessarabia

Cassio Tolpolar
 

The documentary Mamaliga Blues will be soon discontinued >from the Dark
Hollow Films website. If you are interested in watching this film about
a Brazilian family investigating its ancient Jewish history in present
day Moldova, please click on the link below. You are welcome to share
it with your friends too. Thanks!

https://mamaligablues.vhx.tv/

Cassio Tolpolar


Re: 2019 JewishGen conference in Cleveland (1) #bessarabia

Inna Vayner
 

Hello all, I just wanted to provide correct link to the Bessarabia SIG
meeting video.
https://www.facebook.com/100012320651242/videos/719859841768031/

Inna Vayner


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Re: 2019 JewishGen conference in Cleveland (1) #bessarabia

Inna Vayner
 

Hello all, I just wanted to provide correct link to the Bessarabia SIG
meeting video.
https://www.facebook.com/100012320651242/videos/719859841768031/

Inna Vayner

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