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Re: 1895 Ellis Island record - missing? #general

David Oseas <doseas{nospam}@...>
 

On 10/1/2019 3:18 AM, Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com wrote:
Are there other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the
family record?

You can browse through the digital images for the roll, without relying
on an index. On FamilySearch, go to
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704 , then scroll to
the bottom and click on "Browse through 3,243,589 images". This will
take you to another page with waypoints.

Use your browser's find function to locate the link that leads to Roll
648. There are approx 970 images on this roll; however, since you know
the ship name and date, you can use the thumbnails & internal indexes to
find the desired section faster.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SCHACHTER: Odessa, Ukraine > New York; SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania
> New York > Los Angeles; STECKER: New York > Florida
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1895 Ellis Island record - missing? #general

David Oseas <doseas{nospam}@...>
 

On 10/1/2019 3:18 AM, Alan Shuchat ahs613@gmail.com wrote:
Are there other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the
family record?

You can browse through the digital images for the roll, without relying
on an index. On FamilySearch, go to
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704 , then scroll to
the bottom and click on "Browse through 3,243,589 images". This will
take you to another page with waypoints.

Use your browser's find function to locate the link that leads to Roll
648. There are approx 970 images on this roll; however, since you know
the ship name and date, you can use the thumbnails & internal indexes to
find the desired section faster.

Regards,
David Oseas

Researching:
HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York
KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles
OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
SCHECHTER/SCHACHTER: Odessa, Ukraine > New York; SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania
> New York > Los Angeles; STECKER: New York > Florida
WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles


Re: Fagaras Diary #romania

Marilyn Newman
 

Hello Gavriel,
I forwarded your message to my son, Bernard Newman. Rabbi Silberman was our
G-G Grandfather. Our many Newman/Neuman ancestors come >from Fagaras.I never
heard of the Fagaras Diary. We'll see what my son knows.
Where do you live?

Marilyn Newman
Florida, formerly Pittsburgh, PA
Also, Newmans in Chicago




From: gavriel.david@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:14:05 -0400
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I, and many of my ancestors, originate >from Fagaras, Romania.
I would very much appreciate any help in locating the "Fagaras diary".
I have found out about it's existence at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_romania/rom1_00331.html .=20
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[Tiny URL] https://tinyurl.com/y5jtywql
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This is the only result returned by Google search for "Fagaras diary"
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It says:
...The first rabbi of the community, Yehuda Silbermann (1855-1863)
wrote a diary about the life of the community; it is a valuable source
for the history of the Jews of Transylvania and is called "The Fgagars
Diary."
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Gavriel David
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MODERATOR NOTE; Please sign all messages with your name, and place of resi=
dence,
i.e.city,state,country.=20
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Romania SIG #Romania Re: Fagaras Diary #romania

Marilyn Newman
 

Hello Gavriel,
I forwarded your message to my son, Bernard Newman. Rabbi Silberman was our
G-G Grandfather. Our many Newman/Neuman ancestors come >from Fagaras.I never
heard of the Fagaras Diary. We'll see what my son knows.
Where do you live?

Marilyn Newman
Florida, formerly Pittsburgh, PA
Also, Newmans in Chicago




From: gavriel.david@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:14:05 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1
=20
I, and many of my ancestors, originate >from Fagaras, Romania.
I would very much appreciate any help in locating the "Fagaras diary".
I have found out about it's existence at
https://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_romania/rom1_00331.html .=20
=20
[Tiny URL] https://tinyurl.com/y5jtywql
=20
This is the only result returned by Google search for "Fagaras diary"
=20
It says:
...The first rabbi of the community, Yehuda Silbermann (1855-1863)
wrote a diary about the life of the community; it is a valuable source
for the history of the Jews of Transylvania and is called "The Fgagars
Diary."
=20
Gavriel David
=20
MODERATOR NOTE; Please sign all messages with your name, and place of resi=
dence,
i.e.city,state,country.=20
=20
=20


1895 Ellis Island record - missing? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

According to Russians to America, a family named Swik arrived at Ellis
Island >from Glasgow on the Furnessia, Sept. 16, 1895. According to the
Ellis Island database, the family was named Switz. I think a mother
and 4 children were traveling, but only the children's names appear
and the surname and first names are mangled. The microfilm records
seem to be missing. The passenger ID, frame, and line numbers are
given, but there is no image of the manifest. On FamilySearch, the
microfilm (M237 Roll 648) has the ship and the date, but not the family
or, for that matter, any passengers who came >from Russia. Are there
other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the family record?
Thanks for any suggestions.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1895 Ellis Island record - missing? #general

Alan Shuchat
 

According to Russians to America, a family named Swik arrived at Ellis
Island >from Glasgow on the Furnessia, Sept. 16, 1895. According to the
Ellis Island database, the family was named Switz. I think a mother
and 4 children were traveling, but only the children's names appear
and the surname and first names are mangled. The microfilm records
seem to be missing. The passenger ID, frame, and line numbers are
given, but there is no image of the manifest. On FamilySearch, the
microfilm (M237 Roll 648) has the ship and the date, but not the family
or, for that matter, any passengers who came >from Russia. Are there
other ways to get the manifest to try to reconstruct the family record?
Thanks for any suggestions.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)


Sokolow Podlaski book #poland

Katarzyna Markusz <katarzyna.markusz@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I represent the Gszarim Foundation, which works to commemorate
Polish-Jewish history and strengthen knowledge about Jewish heritage
among Polish people.

We deal with, among others, translating into Polish memorial books
written by Jews who survived the Holocaust. To date, we have
translated into Polish three books about Sokolow Podlaski. These
books, written in Yiddish, were not available to current residents of
the town because of the language barrier. Our translations are
available for free on this website http://sokolow.jewish.pl/. We've
built a kind of community around this website. We published archival
materials on it, which we received >from a descendant of the Sokolow
Jewish survivors. When a resident of Sokolow found old pages written
in Yiddish, she gave them to us and we also translated and published
them. We also organized a children's competition for an essay about
Sokolow Jews - these works were also on our website. Together, we care
about this part of our common history.

We seek your support to fund the ongoing project of translating from
Yiddish into Polish a 750-page Memorial Book (Yizkor book) of Sokolow
Podlaski, originally published in 1962 in Tel Aviv. The whole cost of
it is 45,000 PLN. The foundation will apply for funding, but initially
funds are needed for so-called own contribution. Hence the idea of
conducting an online fundraising.

This is the only way for local people to learn about our common
Polish-Jewish history and heritage! Please, help us and them!

You can support this project here https://pomagam.pl/en/sokolowpodlaski

Yours faithfully,
Katarzyna Markusz


JRI Poland #Poland Sokolow Podlaski book #poland

Katarzyna Markusz <katarzyna.markusz@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I represent the Gszarim Foundation, which works to commemorate
Polish-Jewish history and strengthen knowledge about Jewish heritage
among Polish people.

We deal with, among others, translating into Polish memorial books
written by Jews who survived the Holocaust. To date, we have
translated into Polish three books about Sokolow Podlaski. These
books, written in Yiddish, were not available to current residents of
the town because of the language barrier. Our translations are
available for free on this website http://sokolow.jewish.pl/. We've
built a kind of community around this website. We published archival
materials on it, which we received >from a descendant of the Sokolow
Jewish survivors. When a resident of Sokolow found old pages written
in Yiddish, she gave them to us and we also translated and published
them. We also organized a children's competition for an essay about
Sokolow Jews - these works were also on our website. Together, we care
about this part of our common history.

We seek your support to fund the ongoing project of translating from
Yiddish into Polish a 750-page Memorial Book (Yizkor book) of Sokolow
Podlaski, originally published in 1962 in Tel Aviv. The whole cost of
it is 45,000 PLN. The foundation will apply for funding, but initially
funds are needed for so-called own contribution. Hence the idea of
conducting an online fundraising.

This is the only way for local people to learn about our common
Polish-Jewish history and heritage! Please, help us and them!

You can support this project here https://pomagam.pl/en/sokolowpodlaski

Yours faithfully,
Katarzyna Markusz


Austria to Grant Citizenship to Descendants of Victims of Holocaust #austria-czech

Tony Hausner
 

Jan Meisel Allen informed us that the Austrian government is allowing citizenship to
descendants of victims of the holocaust. Does anyone know what if any the
benefits of obtaining such a status.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD
(primary email address: thausner@gmail.com)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Austria to Grant Citizenship to Descendants of Victims of Holocaust #austria-czech

Tony Hausner
 

Jan Meisel Allen informed us that the Austrian government is allowing citizenship to
descendants of victims of the holocaust. Does anyone know what if any the
benefits of obtaining such a status.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD
(primary email address: thausner@gmail.com)


Austrian citizenship #austria-czech

Diana Holdsworth <dihold@...>
 

Thanks to Jan for her information on Austrian Citizenship.

Three days ago, I emailed the Austrian Consulate in NYC. They replied that
they would know more about the details of application next Spring, 2020.
They are working out the details of application. According to their email to me,
the application process begins in September, 2020. Someone >from the Consulate
then kindly telephoned and asked if I would like to be put on the email list they are
compiling so that when definitive information becomes available, probably in the
Spring, they can let me know. I would advise interested parties to email their nearest
consulate, let them know of your interest, and request to be put on a mailing list for
information. I assume consulates are preparing such information email lists to prevent
having to answer hundreds of individual emails, phone calls.

In the meantime, I am gathering materials that would likely be required, such
as my mother's birth certificate >from Vienna, any document that would show
that she was a resident of Vienna, Austria, that sort of thing, so
as to be prepared when the application gates open.

Diana Holdsworth
Dianaholdsworth.com


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Austrian citizenship #austria-czech

Diana Holdsworth <dihold@...>
 

Thanks to Jan for her information on Austrian Citizenship.

Three days ago, I emailed the Austrian Consulate in NYC. They replied that
they would know more about the details of application next Spring, 2020.
They are working out the details of application. According to their email to me,
the application process begins in September, 2020. Someone >from the Consulate
then kindly telephoned and asked if I would like to be put on the email list they are
compiling so that when definitive information becomes available, probably in the
Spring, they can let me know. I would advise interested parties to email their nearest
consulate, let them know of your interest, and request to be put on a mailing list for
information. I assume consulates are preparing such information email lists to prevent
having to answer hundreds of individual emails, phone calls.

In the meantime, I am gathering materials that would likely be required, such
as my mother's birth certificate >from Vienna, any document that would show
that she was a resident of Vienna, Austria, that sort of thing, so
as to be prepared when the application gates open.

Diana Holdsworth
Dianaholdsworth.com


About Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky #general

En memoire d'Eve Line Blum Cherchevsky <elbc32@...>
 

Dear Sir or Madam

I am Patrick Blum, the eldest son of Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky who is
one of your correspondents.

I am sad to inform you that our mother died on 26 September 2019, in her
87th year, following a devastating illness.

On October 1, she will join her husband Andre in the Memorial Garden at
the Saint-Claude cemetery in Besancon.

Her email address eve.line.blum[@]gmail.com will no longer be used. It
is still possible to reach us at the dedicated address elbc32[@]gmail.com.

Patrick Blum

PS. Please excuse me if you have already received this message, based on
another list of correspondents.

MODERATOR NOTE: Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky was a prolific contributor to
JewishGen discussion groups for many years.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen About Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky #general

En memoire d'Eve Line Blum Cherchevsky <elbc32@...>
 

Dear Sir or Madam

I am Patrick Blum, the eldest son of Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky who is
one of your correspondents.

I am sad to inform you that our mother died on 26 September 2019, in her
87th year, following a devastating illness.

On October 1, she will join her husband Andre in the Memorial Garden at
the Saint-Claude cemetery in Besancon.

Her email address eve.line.blum[@]gmail.com will no longer be used. It
is still possible to reach us at the dedicated address elbc32[@]gmail.com.

Patrick Blum

PS. Please excuse me if you have already received this message, based on
another list of correspondents.

MODERATOR NOTE: Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky was a prolific contributor to
JewishGen discussion groups for many years.


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Sorry, Alex, but your story is very consistent with the ones that
were made up in the late 19th century. It may be true, but you need
more than a recent (last 100 years) family story, because the legend
of Sephardic origin was the "fake news" of the late 1800s. People
loved the story so much they shared it over and over again until
everyone believed it.

Maybe you can be the one to prove it is true? But you'll need more
than the family story. I'd like to see what the folks in Riga based
their opinion on. There is a whole Facebook group devoted to
Sephardic, especially European Sephardic, genealogy and documentation.
See https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheSepardicDiaspora/. With only a
couple of of rare, documented exceptions, there is no evidence of any
documented Sephardic Jews in north-eastern Europe.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Sorry, Alex, but your story is very consistent with the ones that
were made up in the late 19th century. It may be true, but you need
more than a recent (last 100 years) family story, because the legend
of Sephardic origin was the "fake news" of the late 1800s. People
loved the story so much they shared it over and over again until
everyone believed it.

Maybe you can be the one to prove it is true? But you'll need more
than the family story. I'd like to see what the folks in Riga based
their opinion on. There is a whole Facebook group devoted to
Sephardic, especially European Sephardic, genealogy and documentation.
See https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheSepardicDiaspora/. With only a
couple of of rare, documented exceptions, there is no evidence of any
documented Sephardic Jews in north-eastern Europe.

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
 

Evidence? I'm your evidence: born and raised in Latvia, my father was
born in Latvia, my grandparents were born in Latvia. My father is buried
there, along with my mother. They spoke fluent Yiddish, but my father
was always telling me that the roots of his family are >from Spain. Many
of the Jews in Latvia have darker complexion, the older generation often
used the Sephardic siddurim. At that time I did not know how to pray,
the result of the Soviet education. But the older generation often
prayed at one time in the basement hall of the Riga synagogue that was
allocated the Sepharadim. Many of my friends used to say that their
grand-grand-grand.... parents came >from Portugal. True, there were also
many Ashkenazi Jews in Latvia. There were also some descendants of
Moroccan and Persian Jews, whose ancestors were the traders who came to
Riga that used to be an important port connecting with the Scandinavian
countries and north Europe. But truth to be said, nobody gave any
importance to that. We all were Jews whose parents spoke Yiddish, the
Jewish language of that place and the language of the Jewish schools
before the Soviet invasion in 1940. Some of the older generation knew
basic Ladino, usually songs. During the Holocaust time many Latvian Jews
were killed and put in the mass graves in the Bikernieku Forest, some
were burned alive in the Riga synagogue in the Maskavas district. Their
remains are still buried there, Ashkenazim and Sepharadim together and
nobody gives any importance about their origin. There were just Jews who
were killed for being Jewish.

I attend the services in the Sephardic synagogue in Houston because I
feel more comfortable there, even though my mother was of
Russian/Lithuanian background. I don't feel myself better or worse than
other Jews, because of my mixed Sephardic / Ashkenazi background. I'm
just an Israeli-Latvian Jew who lives at this time in America.

When I traveled to Riga, some years ago, I visited the Jewish museum on
6 Skolas Street. I spoke with the museum curator there who said that
they have documented evidence about the Sephardic Jews who used to live
in the Ventspils Municipality in West Latvia, as well as in Latgalia
area where is my father from.

Shana Tova,

Alex Shapiro
Houston, Texas

Alex, what evidence (dan or otherwise) do you have of your Sephardic
origins (or for any Latvian Jews)? I haven't seen a single case that
pans out. Shana Tova, Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
 

Evidence? I'm your evidence: born and raised in Latvia, my father was
born in Latvia, my grandparents were born in Latvia. My father is buried
there, along with my mother. They spoke fluent Yiddish, but my father
was always telling me that the roots of his family are >from Spain. Many
of the Jews in Latvia have darker complexion, the older generation often
used the Sephardic siddurim. At that time I did not know how to pray,
the result of the Soviet education. But the older generation often
prayed at one time in the basement hall of the Riga synagogue that was
allocated the Sepharadim. Many of my friends used to say that their
grand-grand-grand.... parents came >from Portugal. True, there were also
many Ashkenazi Jews in Latvia. There were also some descendants of
Moroccan and Persian Jews, whose ancestors were the traders who came to
Riga that used to be an important port connecting with the Scandinavian
countries and north Europe. But truth to be said, nobody gave any
importance to that. We all were Jews whose parents spoke Yiddish, the
Jewish language of that place and the language of the Jewish schools
before the Soviet invasion in 1940. Some of the older generation knew
basic Ladino, usually songs. During the Holocaust time many Latvian Jews
were killed and put in the mass graves in the Bikernieku Forest, some
were burned alive in the Riga synagogue in the Maskavas district. Their
remains are still buried there, Ashkenazim and Sepharadim together and
nobody gives any importance about their origin. There were just Jews who
were killed for being Jewish.

I attend the services in the Sephardic synagogue in Houston because I
feel more comfortable there, even though my mother was of
Russian/Lithuanian background. I don't feel myself better or worse than
other Jews, because of my mixed Sephardic / Ashkenazi background. I'm
just an Israeli-Latvian Jew who lives at this time in America.

When I traveled to Riga, some years ago, I visited the Jewish museum on
6 Skolas Street. I spoke with the museum curator there who said that
they have documented evidence about the Sephardic Jews who used to live
in the Ventspils Municipality in West Latvia, as well as in Latgalia
area where is my father from.

Shana Tova,

Alex Shapiro
Houston, Texas

Alex, what evidence (dan or otherwise) do you have of your Sephardic
origins (or for any Latvian Jews)? I haven't seen a single case that
pans out. Shana Tova, Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Alex, what evidence (DNA or otherwise) do you have of your Sephardic
origins (or for any Latvian Jews)? I haven't seen a single case
that pans out.

Shana Tova,

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Alex, what evidence (DNA or otherwise) do you have of your Sephardic
origins (or for any Latvian Jews)? I haven't seen a single case
that pans out.

Shana Tova,

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA

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