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Relatives of Louis GROOBMAN in Kamenetz-Podolski, Ukraine #general

frances.crispi <frances.crispi@...>
 

Does anyone know of relatives of Louis GROOBMAN? He immigrated to New York
City around 1912 >from a city in the Ukraine called Kamenetz-Podolski or
something resembling that spelling. He had twin sisters who later
immigrated to Rio de Janiero and he left a family behind that included a
step-mother, father and older brother. His father was a city planner and
the brother, a physician. Louis was sixteen when he came to America all by
himself after having been smuggled out of the Ukraine in a coffin.
Frances Crispi


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Relatives of Louis GROOBMAN in Kamenetz-Podolski, Ukraine #general

frances.crispi <frances.crispi@...>
 

Does anyone know of relatives of Louis GROOBMAN? He immigrated to New York
City around 1912 >from a city in the Ukraine called Kamenetz-Podolski or
something resembling that spelling. He had twin sisters who later
immigrated to Rio de Janiero and he left a family behind that included a
step-mother, father and older brother. His father was a city planner and
the brother, a physician. Louis was sixteen when he came to America all by
himself after having been smuggled out of the Ukraine in a coffin.
Frances Crispi


searching: KOSAKOV, Yavankov (Russia) - KULSZAN, Plontz (Poland) #general

SLSchudson <slschudson@...>
 

Looking for any remaining family members of my grandmother - Tanya KOSAKOV
(a.k.a. Tillie Bloom GOLDSTEIN) >from Yavankov, Russia. Also searching for
family of my grandfather Israel KULSZAN (Issie Goldstein) >from Plontz, Poland.

Sue Leibovitz Schudson
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: KOSAKOV, Yavankov (Russia) - KULSZAN, Plontz (Poland) #general

SLSchudson <slschudson@...>
 

Looking for any remaining family members of my grandmother - Tanya KOSAKOV
(a.k.a. Tillie Bloom GOLDSTEIN) >from Yavankov, Russia. Also searching for
family of my grandfather Israel KULSZAN (Issie Goldstein) >from Plontz, Poland.

Sue Leibovitz Schudson
San Diego, CA


Generali Trieste, indured list. #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

Does anyone know, how I can see the list of of names of insured in
the Czech Republic ?
Moshe Susser


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Generali Trieste, indured list. #general

moshe susser <msusser@...>
 

Does anyone know, how I can see the list of of names of insured in
the Czech Republic ?
Moshe Susser


Re: weekdays permissible for weddings #general

aileb@...
 

On 13 Oct 98, at 7:22, Judith Romney Wegner wrote:

Therefore, a widow could get married as late as Thursday -- but should be
married BY Thursday, because Friday and Shabbat were "out" due to
religious requirements of preparing for Shabbat and of Shabbat observance
itself.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Let's not go any farther down this road-while the days
of the week maybe genealogically relevant, it seems to this observer that
nothing more on this topic can be added that is. End of thread.
Despite the moderator's note I think it important to correct one
error in Dr. Wegner's posting, as it could lead to people not
accepting a perfectly valid marriage date. Weddings on Friday are
perfectly OK. In fact, it is becoming a popular day for weddings
here in Israel, just as it was in the shtetlach of Eastern Europe (
wedding on Friday meant that the Friday night meal could double as
the marriage feast). My own (very orthodox) grandfather was
married on Lag Ba'omer, 1 May 1896, which was a Friday.

Abe be
Abraham & Shulamith Lebowitz
(Har Nof -Jerusalem) aileb@actcom.co.il
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Library/8798/

Searching:
BLOCH, AARONSON, HIRSCHFELD, KLINKOWSTEJN - Suwalki Gubernya
WAXMAN, RIVIN - Starobin, Slutzk, Belarus
SCHWARTZ - Shidlove, Lithuania
PREIL - Birziai, Krakes (Krok) Lithuania
LEBOWITZ, SAMOWITZ - Ungvar (Uzhgorod)
FRISCH - Budapest

MODERATOR NOTE: It appears that there _is_ something more
to add on this subject. Now that the correction and added
information have been posted, all other correspondence must
continue privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: weekdays permissible for weddings #general

aileb@...
 

On 13 Oct 98, at 7:22, Judith Romney Wegner wrote:

Therefore, a widow could get married as late as Thursday -- but should be
married BY Thursday, because Friday and Shabbat were "out" due to
religious requirements of preparing for Shabbat and of Shabbat observance
itself.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Let's not go any farther down this road-while the days
of the week maybe genealogically relevant, it seems to this observer that
nothing more on this topic can be added that is. End of thread.
Despite the moderator's note I think it important to correct one
error in Dr. Wegner's posting, as it could lead to people not
accepting a perfectly valid marriage date. Weddings on Friday are
perfectly OK. In fact, it is becoming a popular day for weddings
here in Israel, just as it was in the shtetlach of Eastern Europe (
wedding on Friday meant that the Friday night meal could double as
the marriage feast). My own (very orthodox) grandfather was
married on Lag Ba'omer, 1 May 1896, which was a Friday.

Abe be
Abraham & Shulamith Lebowitz
(Har Nof -Jerusalem) aileb@actcom.co.il
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Library/8798/

Searching:
BLOCH, AARONSON, HIRSCHFELD, KLINKOWSTEJN - Suwalki Gubernya
WAXMAN, RIVIN - Starobin, Slutzk, Belarus
SCHWARTZ - Shidlove, Lithuania
PREIL - Birziai, Krakes (Krok) Lithuania
LEBOWITZ, SAMOWITZ - Ungvar (Uzhgorod)
FRISCH - Budapest

MODERATOR NOTE: It appears that there _is_ something more
to add on this subject. Now that the correction and added
information have been posted, all other correspondence must
continue privately.


Re: litvaksig digest: October 24, 1998 #lithuania

BEColvin@...
 

I am planning to recruit more members to Litvaksig,,,,it seems we need more
activity on this list and input >from more people...do you mind telling me how
many dues paying members there are on this site? I will be glad to help
recruit. Give me details necessary for one to become a member and I will
forward this to friends and acquaintences. Beth in FL

Moderator's Note: As of today, there are 641 members of the mailing list.
Not all are dues-paying. :-(

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: litvaksig digest: October 24, 1998 #lithuania

BEColvin@...
 

I am planning to recruit more members to Litvaksig,,,,it seems we need more
activity on this list and input >from more people...do you mind telling me how
many dues paying members there are on this site? I will be glad to help
recruit. Give me details necessary for one to become a member and I will
forward this to friends and acquaintences. Beth in FL

Moderator's Note: As of today, there are 641 members of the mailing list.
Not all are dues-paying. :-(

To subscribe, go to www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm?


Re: Question about 19th century Russian census #general

DBH12345
 

Hi David,

What is your source? If it was an Additional Revision List or a Family List
the wife should have been there (although such census lists were certainly no
more accurate than our own.) But if the source is an index of Revision of
Family Lists, which is the basis for most reports that come for the Lithuanian
Archives, it would have only listed males, and sometimes only the head of
household.

David Hoffman
Woodland Hills, CA

In census data >from the last third of the 19th century (1875), there was >an entry for my great-great-grandfather and one of his sons. There is no
mention of his wife, whose name I have yet to confirm. On the other hand,
there is no evidence to suggest she was not alive at the time. Is there
a possibility of a census not including a woman's name? . . .SNIP. . .
David Goldman
davic@erols.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about 19th century Russian census #general

DBH12345
 

Hi David,

What is your source? If it was an Additional Revision List or a Family List
the wife should have been there (although such census lists were certainly no
more accurate than our own.) But if the source is an index of Revision of
Family Lists, which is the basis for most reports that come for the Lithuanian
Archives, it would have only listed males, and sometimes only the head of
household.

David Hoffman
Woodland Hills, CA

In census data >from the last third of the 19th century (1875), there was >an entry for my great-great-grandfather and one of his sons. There is no
mention of his wife, whose name I have yet to confirm. On the other hand,
there is no evidence to suggest she was not alive at the time. Is there
a possibility of a census not including a woman's name? . . .SNIP. . .
David Goldman
davic@erols.com


To Canada from Latvia #general

SADDLE1150@...
 

It is reported that my grandfather (Jacob FREEDMAN) had a brother who
emigrated to Canada rather than to the States along with the other members of
his family. It is further suggested that he lived in the Toronto area. If
there are any Freedman families who have reason to believe that their ancestry
traces back to Riga, Latvia, I would appreciate hearing >from them
privately....hopefully,
George Freedman
Orlando, FL.
saddle1150@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen To Canada from Latvia #general

SADDLE1150@...
 

It is reported that my grandfather (Jacob FREEDMAN) had a brother who
emigrated to Canada rather than to the States along with the other members of
his family. It is further suggested that he lived in the Toronto area. If
there are any Freedman families who have reason to believe that their ancestry
traces back to Riga, Latvia, I would appreciate hearing >from them
privately....hopefully,
George Freedman
Orlando, FL.
saddle1150@aol.com


TUMAN/TUMIN/TUMEN #lithuania

Kevin Brook <kbrook@...>
 

Dear Howard Wolinsky,

You wrote:
(1) I have traced a long line of relatives named TUMIN >from Shrednik. I
have have the revisionist list material. There are a variety of
spellings TUMEN, TUMAN, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on the
origin of the name?
In his recent article "Khazar/Kipchak Turkisms in Yiddish" in the journal
Yiddish (vol. 11, no. 1-2, 1998, pp. 81-92), Herbert G. Zeiden indicates
on page 87 that the Yiddish word tuman means "fog" or "mist". Tuman is
generally considered to be a Turkism that entered Yiddish >from a secondary
language. However, Mr. Zeiden proposes that it could have entered Yiddish
directly >from the Jewish Khazars or their successors the Kipchaks.

However, there is also another Turkic word that means "Tumen", which is
sometimes proposed as part of the origin of the placename Tmutorokan <
Tumen + tarkhan. At this time I do not recall the meaning of tumen,
though 'tarkhan' means 'general'.

There is also a district called Tumen in modern Russia.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania TUMAN/TUMIN/TUMEN #lithuania

Kevin Brook <kbrook@...>
 

Dear Howard Wolinsky,

You wrote:
(1) I have traced a long line of relatives named TUMIN >from Shrednik. I
have have the revisionist list material. There are a variety of
spellings TUMEN, TUMAN, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions on the
origin of the name?
In his recent article "Khazar/Kipchak Turkisms in Yiddish" in the journal
Yiddish (vol. 11, no. 1-2, 1998, pp. 81-92), Herbert G. Zeiden indicates
on page 87 that the Yiddish word tuman means "fog" or "mist". Tuman is
generally considered to be a Turkism that entered Yiddish >from a secondary
language. However, Mr. Zeiden proposes that it could have entered Yiddish
directly >from the Jewish Khazars or their successors the Kipchaks.

However, there is also another Turkic word that means "Tumen", which is
sometimes proposed as part of the origin of the placename Tmutorokan <
Tumen + tarkhan. At this time I do not recall the meaning of tumen,
though 'tarkhan' means 'general'.

There is also a district called Tumen in modern Russia.


Help needed in Amsterdam #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

My grandfather, Karl LILIENTHAL (b. in Koln, 1893) had a younger brother
named Fritz LILIENTHAL, also born in Koln (but I don't know when). They
were sons of Moses and Juliette (Julie) LILIENTHAL. Fritz married a
Dutch girl named Clara (? maiden name), and I don't know if this
marriage occurred before or after he (they) moved to Amsterdam, where he
ran a tobacco shop. Fritz and Clara perished in a concentration camp (?
which), probably between 1943-44.
Any help, ideas or tips of how to research the couple will be greatly
appreciated.

Luiz Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help needed in Amsterdam #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

My grandfather, Karl LILIENTHAL (b. in Koln, 1893) had a younger brother
named Fritz LILIENTHAL, also born in Koln (but I don't know when). They
were sons of Moses and Juliette (Julie) LILIENTHAL. Fritz married a
Dutch girl named Clara (? maiden name), and I don't know if this
marriage occurred before or after he (they) moved to Amsterdam, where he
ran a tobacco shop. Fritz and Clara perished in a concentration camp (?
which), probably between 1943-44.
Any help, ideas or tips of how to research the couple will be greatly
appreciated.

Luiz Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil


RABINOWITZ from Raseiniai, Lithuania #lithuania

MS ANN RABINOWITZ <PQUA32A@...>
 

The following information on the RABINOWITZ family >from Raseiniai was
obtained >from the recently published memoire by Victor Rabinowitz
entitled "Unrepentant Leftist". I am posting this for informational
purposes only as I am not related to or researching this particular
family and have no further data on them.

The family of Victor Rabinowitz, born 1911, labor lawyer, and his
sister Lucille Rabinowitz Perlman were:

Grandfather Rabbi Rabinowitz of Raseiniai (possibly Rabbi Avraham-
Shmuel Rabinowitz who died in 1906 mentioned in Schoenberg) had a son
Louis M. Rabinowitz, 18??-1957, born Raseiniai, came to the US when
he was 16 after death of father and married Rose Netter, daughter of
Jacob Netter who was born 1842 and died sometime after 1916.

Ann Rabinowitz
pqua32a@prodigy.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania RABINOWITZ from Raseiniai, Lithuania #lithuania

MS ANN RABINOWITZ <PQUA32A@...>
 

The following information on the RABINOWITZ family >from Raseiniai was
obtained >from the recently published memoire by Victor Rabinowitz
entitled "Unrepentant Leftist". I am posting this for informational
purposes only as I am not related to or researching this particular
family and have no further data on them.

The family of Victor Rabinowitz, born 1911, labor lawyer, and his
sister Lucille Rabinowitz Perlman were:

Grandfather Rabbi Rabinowitz of Raseiniai (possibly Rabbi Avraham-
Shmuel Rabinowitz who died in 1906 mentioned in Schoenberg) had a son
Louis M. Rabinowitz, 18??-1957, born Raseiniai, came to the US when
he was 16 after death of father and married Rose Netter, daughter of
Jacob Netter who was born 1842 and died sometime after 1916.

Ann Rabinowitz
pqua32a@prodigy.com