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Marduch/Moredechai #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Anita Citron(anitac1@... ) wrote:
To all the name pundits:
Is there a difference between Morduk and Morduch?Or could either be a
misreading old Russian script?It is probable that the Hebrew name for
both is Mordechai.
Shimon OUziel replied:
Hi!.Morduch is A Babylonian idol,
More accurately, Marduk was the name of the "high god" of the ancient
Babylonian religion. ("Idol" is a relative term, as it is obviously the
case that "One man's god is another man's idol.") However, any Jew with
the name Morduk or Morduch is not a Marduk but a Mordechai (the male hero
of the book of Esther). As discussed on this Digest a while back,
scholars agree that (strange as it may seem to many Jews) the names
"Esther" and "Mordechai" are simply hebraized versions of the names
"Marduk" and "Ishtar" (the chief male and female deities of the
Babylonians)!
Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...

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Siauliai District #lithuania

Carol Baker <carolcbaker@...>
 

Two more towns >from the 1858 Revision list for the Siauliai District have been
sent out to those of you who have contributed to this project. They are
Saukenai and Zagare. If you did not receive them, please contact me ASAP.

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Coordinator

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marduch/Moredechai #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Anita Citron(anitac1@... ) wrote:
To all the name pundits:
Is there a difference between Morduk and Morduch?Or could either be a
misreading old Russian script?It is probable that the Hebrew name for
both is Mordechai.
Shimon OUziel replied:
Hi!.Morduch is A Babylonian idol,
More accurately, Marduk was the name of the "high god" of the ancient
Babylonian religion. ("Idol" is a relative term, as it is obviously the
case that "One man's god is another man's idol.") However, any Jew with
the name Morduk or Morduch is not a Marduk but a Mordechai (the male hero
of the book of Esther). As discussed on this Digest a while back,
scholars agree that (strange as it may seem to many Jews) the names
"Esther" and "Mordechai" are simply hebraized versions of the names
"Marduk" and "Ishtar" (the chief male and female deities of the
Babylonians)!
Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...

MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is now closed.
Any further comments, please send privately.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Siauliai District #lithuania

Carol Baker <carolcbaker@...>
 

Two more towns >from the 1858 Revision list for the Siauliai District have been
sent out to those of you who have contributed to this project. They are
Saukenai and Zagare. If you did not receive them, please contact me ASAP.

Carol Coplin Baker
Siauliai District Coordinator

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Leckava cemetery #lithuania

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

Has anyone made any efforts to document the Jewish cemetery in Leckava
(Latskowa)?

I am asking because otherwise I am ready to hire a person (Aleksandrs
Feigmanis) to go there and take photos and translate all inscriptions. The
stones are supposed to be in good shape.

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Leckava cemetery #lithuania

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

Has anyone made any efforts to document the Jewish cemetery in Leckava
(Latskowa)?

I am asking because otherwise I am ready to hire a person (Aleksandrs
Feigmanis) to go there and take photos and translate all inscriptions. The
stones are supposed to be in good shape.

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@...


Parcelchic (sp?) #lithuania

Sarah M Parker-Allen <lloannna@...>
 

Hello, my name is Sarah Parker-Allen, I'm new to this whole Jewish
genealogy thing... my mother said that I should join this list because my
father's father's parents both emigrated >from Lithuania....

Anyway, I'm looking in the Jonava (sp?) shtetl for Parcelchics and
Solomons. The ones I'm descended >from left Lithuania sometime after 1880
and before 1909 (since my great-grandparents were born in Lithuania and
my grandfather in the US)... The spelling of names are unknown,
precisely, because at some point somebody changed the name to Parker,
there was no contact with any Solomons after 1912, and the youngest
person who remembers ANYTHING is merely a sister-in-law of the son born
in 1912, and she's 90! I have NO idea how to post this, but I really
don't know how to learn except by doing...

Louis PARCELCHIC
born ca. 1885, Lithuania (spec. location unknown)

Sarah SOLOMON
born ca. 1884, Jonava, LTU

We know that many others >from the same neighborhood came together,
because they all lived together in NYC on the same block... I can't read
the census (my mom needs to scan it and do something or other to be sure)
to know which street it is... Is this even the right place for a query?
Any information would be helpful...




Sarah Marie Parker-Allen
lloannna@...
Columbus, OH
Parcelchic (sp?), Solomon
Jonava, LTU

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Parcelchic (sp?) #lithuania

Sarah M Parker-Allen <lloannna@...>
 

Hello, my name is Sarah Parker-Allen, I'm new to this whole Jewish
genealogy thing... my mother said that I should join this list because my
father's father's parents both emigrated >from Lithuania....

Anyway, I'm looking in the Jonava (sp?) shtetl for Parcelchics and
Solomons. The ones I'm descended >from left Lithuania sometime after 1880
and before 1909 (since my great-grandparents were born in Lithuania and
my grandfather in the US)... The spelling of names are unknown,
precisely, because at some point somebody changed the name to Parker,
there was no contact with any Solomons after 1912, and the youngest
person who remembers ANYTHING is merely a sister-in-law of the son born
in 1912, and she's 90! I have NO idea how to post this, but I really
don't know how to learn except by doing...

Louis PARCELCHIC
born ca. 1885, Lithuania (spec. location unknown)

Sarah SOLOMON
born ca. 1884, Jonava, LTU

We know that many others >from the same neighborhood came together,
because they all lived together in NYC on the same block... I can't read
the census (my mom needs to scan it and do something or other to be sure)
to know which street it is... Is this even the right place for a query?
Any information would be helpful...




Sarah Marie Parker-Allen
lloannna@...
Columbus, OH
Parcelchic (sp?), Solomon
Jonava, LTU

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Converting files for "Kovno Places" project #lithuania

DBH12345
 

I want to thant the 27 LitvakSIGGers who volunteered to help me do this. I
am very happy that we have so many technically competent, and willing
volunteers. I'll contact the person directly I've asked to help me. To the
rest of you, thank you very much. We have gathered your names - and you are
on a list of people we'll turn to for many more such tasks. It is
unfortunate that a lot of our work involves knowledge of Old Cyrillic,
Hebrew, Yiddish and Lithuanian, or many more would be very actively involved.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Converting files for "Kovno Places" project #lithuania

DBH12345
 

I want to thant the 27 LitvakSIGGers who volunteered to help me do this. I
am very happy that we have so many technically competent, and willing
volunteers. I'll contact the person directly I've asked to help me. To the
rest of you, thank you very much. We have gathered your names - and you are
on a list of people we'll turn to for many more such tasks. It is
unfortunate that a lot of our work involves knowledge of Old Cyrillic,
Hebrew, Yiddish and Lithuanian, or many more would be very actively involved.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Re: Different reasons for name changes now #general

Curiousyl <curiousyl@...>
 

Ellis Island name changes: Myths and Misconceptions.

Please refer to the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives for information
which bears repeating each time the phrase appears on the message boards.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
Florida
curiousyl@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Different reasons for name changes now #general

Curiousyl <curiousyl@...>
 

Ellis Island name changes: Myths and Misconceptions.

Please refer to the JewishGen Discussion Group Archives for information
which bears repeating each time the phrase appears on the message boards.

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
Florida
curiousyl@...


The name is BRAIMAN #general

Paulina Braiman Robinson <paulina@...>
 

I am very interested in finding more people with the same name. >from
what I know we were all related. We have gone back 6 generations. First
Braiman that we know was Moises BRAIMAN he and his wife had 10 sons. We
do not have info on all the sons and were they move to.
Lots of us moved to South America but now moved to the USA.

Paulina Braiman Robinson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The name is BRAIMAN #general

Paulina Braiman Robinson <paulina@...>
 

I am very interested in finding more people with the same name. >from
what I know we were all related. We have gone back 6 generations. First
Braiman that we know was Moises BRAIMAN he and his wife had 10 sons. We
do not have info on all the sons and were they move to.
Lots of us moved to South America but now moved to the USA.

Paulina Braiman Robinson


It's been quiet #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear H-siggers

There are times when the flow of messages will diminish. Such times are
opportune, especially for those subscribers who have joined us in the past
several months, to introduce themselves by informing us of their research
needs. I have copied a recent Jewish gen posting that one may use as a guide
for such a query. Feel free to use this format or create your own. Louis
Schonfeld.

"I thought I'd post my family names again with all the new genners.
I'm searching for family of my uncles my mother's brothers >from xxxxxxxxxx,
Hungary
My mother was Sarah ______ changed >from _____ upon immigration. She was from
a family of ten children,(six sisters) one child died as an infant. My
grandparents were ______ & _____(______) _________ changed to ______.
I also have the name Gershon of a nephew >from xxxxxxxxx, Slovakia.
We are also connected with the ______ family >from ____.- through _______
_______I believe he was my grandfather's brother..My mother's eldest sister
_____ ________immigrated via Baltimore to _______, in 1916 to stay with an
aunt ____________.
My mother & most of the remainder of the family immigrated via Ellis Island
to ________ in 1922.
My grandfather & one of the brothers returned to Hungary, my grandmother
lived for only a year in _____ & then passed away. My mother was contacted
that one of her brothers had died in the war. She recieved a few picture
post cards then contact was lost. I am searching for familiy of my uncles
_________, ________ & ?
.
If a you think there's a connection or have any info - please e-mail me"

Full Name
e-mail address "


Hungary SIG #Hungary It's been quiet #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear H-siggers

There are times when the flow of messages will diminish. Such times are
opportune, especially for those subscribers who have joined us in the past
several months, to introduce themselves by informing us of their research
needs. I have copied a recent Jewish gen posting that one may use as a guide
for such a query. Feel free to use this format or create your own. Louis
Schonfeld.

"I thought I'd post my family names again with all the new genners.
I'm searching for family of my uncles my mother's brothers >from xxxxxxxxxx,
Hungary
My mother was Sarah ______ changed >from _____ upon immigration. She was from
a family of ten children,(six sisters) one child died as an infant. My
grandparents were ______ & _____(______) _________ changed to ______.
I also have the name Gershon of a nephew >from xxxxxxxxx, Slovakia.
We are also connected with the ______ family >from ____.- through _______
_______I believe he was my grandfather's brother..My mother's eldest sister
_____ ________immigrated via Baltimore to _______, in 1916 to stay with an
aunt ____________.
My mother & most of the remainder of the family immigrated via Ellis Island
to ________ in 1922.
My grandfather & one of the brothers returned to Hungary, my grandmother
lived for only a year in _____ & then passed away. My mother was contacted
that one of her brothers had died in the war. She recieved a few picture
post cards then contact was lost. I am searching for familiy of my uncles
_________, ________ & ?
.
If a you think there's a connection or have any info - please e-mail me"

Full Name
e-mail address "


Re: Where Poor People with TB Went in the 1920's and 30's #general

KSLDEN@...
 

Poor people with TB most likely went to the JCRS in Denver, Colorado.
The Jewish Consumptive Relief Society. Documents I have read indicate the
National Jewish Hospital was much more likely to treat patients with money,
and more likely German Jews.

Many tuberculars came to Denver >from the late 1800s on because it was
thought our dry climate would be helpful. Denver was recovering >from the
silver crash and this new "health care" industry was very needed to improve
the economy.

The JCRS was established when so many poor Jews arrived in Denver and
were unable to obtain service; that the Orthodox Russian Jewish community
made them a tent city on the West side of town. Some of the JCRS Annual
reports are available for viewing at the main branch of the Denver Public
Library, they include patient names. It is true that National Jewish began
serving tuberculars sooner, unfortunately there were more than enough
patients to make both organizations necessary.

Hope this helps!

Karen Lozow
kslden@...
searching LOZOVITSKY, ROBINIVITZ, FEDMAN, KOPELOVICH & ATLIVONIKOFF all
from somewhere yet to be determined in Russia. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where Poor People with TB Went in the 1920's and 30's #general

KSLDEN@...
 

Poor people with TB most likely went to the JCRS in Denver, Colorado.
The Jewish Consumptive Relief Society. Documents I have read indicate the
National Jewish Hospital was much more likely to treat patients with money,
and more likely German Jews.

Many tuberculars came to Denver >from the late 1800s on because it was
thought our dry climate would be helpful. Denver was recovering >from the
silver crash and this new "health care" industry was very needed to improve
the economy.

The JCRS was established when so many poor Jews arrived in Denver and
were unable to obtain service; that the Orthodox Russian Jewish community
made them a tent city on the West side of town. Some of the JCRS Annual
reports are available for viewing at the main branch of the Denver Public
Library, they include patient names. It is true that National Jewish began
serving tuberculars sooner, unfortunately there were more than enough
patients to make both organizations necessary.

Hope this helps!

Karen Lozow
kslden@...
searching LOZOVITSKY, ROBINIVITZ, FEDMAN, KOPELOVICH & ATLIVONIKOFF all
from somewhere yet to be determined in Russia. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.


What's a relationship #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/24/99 6:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve Krefman
(krefman@...) writes:

<< . . . "Who is a relative?". I think it's arbitrary, and much as people
might want to argue with you, a personal decision. People have widely varying
opinions on "who is a relative", but only a minority would probably not
consider their genetic aunt's husband's family their relative, but instead
a relative of a relative. . . . .

==I'll put in my pruta's worth:
==In Hebrew the problem is easy: Dod (m), dodah (f) means beloved one (See
Song of Songs). The named David is derived >from it (and is, in fact, spelled
Dod). In modern Hebrew they are used for uncle and aunt respectively, and
their children are ben/bat/benei Dod (m/f/pl) or Dodah. And that term can be
(and is) applied to anyone with whom one has a family relationship, or
sometimes other close friendships.
==My English dictionary tells me that cousin comes >from a Latin word meaning
child of a mother's sister but came to mean also "a relation." In English,
it originally was used for a collateral relative descended >from the same
ancestor. Now it is also "loosely, any relative by blood or marriage."

<<. . . . I grew up hearing the phrase "Machatenah" to refer to someones
in-laws, but in a broader sense. My Machatenah would include not only
people like my spouse's siblings and their spouses or my sibling's spouses
but also such people as my sibling's parents or my children's in-laws.

==Very properly so. Mechutan is Hebrew for someone who married into the
family. It comes >from the Hebrew word Chatan (chussen in Yid.) which was
used biblically, to mean a son-in-law but soon came to be used also of other
direct in-laws, and also for the groom himself (the bride, Kallah, does not
have these other meanings: in the Torah, a daughter-in-law is referred to as
"wife-of-the-son." A wedding in Hebrew is a Chatunah (Chassneh in Yiddish).
So Mechutan (m) is a person who married into the family, Mechutenet (f).,
Mechutanim (pl.). >from this comes the Yiddish Mechutaynester (father in law
of my child) and Mechutayneste (mother-in-law)--are you ears sharp enough to
hear the differences? Mechussen (m), Mechussaynes (f) apply to other
relatives by marriage, and Mechussonim (pl) as the general group of relatives
by marriage, far and near.

==Since becoming addicted to genealogy, my terminology has changed. Anyone
who is descended >from one of my ancestors is now my cousin, no "numbering" or
"removed"s required, especially when we discover each other through genealogy
and embark together on genealogical quest (Hi, there cousin Martha, hi there
cousin Herbert, hi there cousin Yvonne!). Also included as cousins (I'm
vain) is any relation by marriage whose name appears (or should appear) in
the Encyclopedia Judaica; that way I snag some famous rabbis, writers and
business magnates. For some reason we ourselves in my ancestral lines appear
not to have produce such luminaries except for (possibly) three revered
rabbis in Hanover, and their descendant who until his recent demise was an
Episcopalian bishop.

==Personally I welcome anyone into my tree (and potential cousinry) if my
software will provide a link--especially if they can add an intriguing
angle to my family's story.

Michael Bernet, New York

BERNET, BERNAERTH, etc, JONDORF: Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
FRENSDORFF/FRENZDORF:Frensdorf, Hamburg, Hanover, Syracuse
BAMBERGER: male ancestors of the Wurzburger Rov, Bamberg villages
WOLFF, Aron: Pfungstadt/Fkfrt, Babette GOLDSCHMIDT: Homburg/Fkfrt;
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, [Gau]Konigshofen, Furth
WOLFF, Sally (ca 1865-1940) b Fkfrt, timber merchant Konigsb'g & Holland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What's a relationship #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 4/24/99 6:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve Krefman
(krefman@...) writes:

<< . . . "Who is a relative?". I think it's arbitrary, and much as people
might want to argue with you, a personal decision. People have widely varying
opinions on "who is a relative", but only a minority would probably not
consider their genetic aunt's husband's family their relative, but instead
a relative of a relative. . . . .

==I'll put in my pruta's worth:
==In Hebrew the problem is easy: Dod (m), dodah (f) means beloved one (See
Song of Songs). The named David is derived >from it (and is, in fact, spelled
Dod). In modern Hebrew they are used for uncle and aunt respectively, and
their children are ben/bat/benei Dod (m/f/pl) or Dodah. And that term can be
(and is) applied to anyone with whom one has a family relationship, or
sometimes other close friendships.
==My English dictionary tells me that cousin comes >from a Latin word meaning
child of a mother's sister but came to mean also "a relation." In English,
it originally was used for a collateral relative descended >from the same
ancestor. Now it is also "loosely, any relative by blood or marriage."

<<. . . . I grew up hearing the phrase "Machatenah" to refer to someones
in-laws, but in a broader sense. My Machatenah would include not only
people like my spouse's siblings and their spouses or my sibling's spouses
but also such people as my sibling's parents or my children's in-laws.

==Very properly so. Mechutan is Hebrew for someone who married into the
family. It comes >from the Hebrew word Chatan (chussen in Yid.) which was
used biblically, to mean a son-in-law but soon came to be used also of other
direct in-laws, and also for the groom himself (the bride, Kallah, does not
have these other meanings: in the Torah, a daughter-in-law is referred to as
"wife-of-the-son." A wedding in Hebrew is a Chatunah (Chassneh in Yiddish).
So Mechutan (m) is a person who married into the family, Mechutenet (f).,
Mechutanim (pl.). >from this comes the Yiddish Mechutaynester (father in law
of my child) and Mechutayneste (mother-in-law)--are you ears sharp enough to
hear the differences? Mechussen (m), Mechussaynes (f) apply to other
relatives by marriage, and Mechussonim (pl) as the general group of relatives
by marriage, far and near.

==Since becoming addicted to genealogy, my terminology has changed. Anyone
who is descended >from one of my ancestors is now my cousin, no "numbering" or
"removed"s required, especially when we discover each other through genealogy
and embark together on genealogical quest (Hi, there cousin Martha, hi there
cousin Herbert, hi there cousin Yvonne!). Also included as cousins (I'm
vain) is any relation by marriage whose name appears (or should appear) in
the Encyclopedia Judaica; that way I snag some famous rabbis, writers and
business magnates. For some reason we ourselves in my ancestral lines appear
not to have produce such luminaries except for (possibly) three revered
rabbis in Hanover, and their descendant who until his recent demise was an
Episcopalian bishop.

==Personally I welcome anyone into my tree (and potential cousinry) if my
software will provide a link--especially if they can add an intriguing
angle to my family's story.

Michael Bernet, New York

BERNET, BERNAERTH, etc, JONDORF: Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
FRENSDORFF/FRENZDORF:Frensdorf, Hamburg, Hanover, Syracuse
BAMBERGER: male ancestors of the Wurzburger Rov, Bamberg villages
WOLFF, Aron: Pfungstadt/Fkfrt, Babette GOLDSCHMIDT: Homburg/Fkfrt;
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, [Gau]Konigshofen, Furth
WOLFF, Sally (ca 1865-1940) b Fkfrt, timber merchant Konigsb'g & Holland