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Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@bigpond.net.au>
To: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


Both my mother and father came >from Lucenec and I am looking for anyone
who
comes >from there or knows anything about the town.

The family names are Szekely, Himmler (not the famous one!) Barok and
Lovinger.

Sylvia Kohn
Sydney, Australia
rkohn@bigpond.net.au



----- Original Message -----
From: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


---------------------------
Moderator VK: The following message is somewhat off-topic but I'm
posting
it because it may be of interest to H-SIG subscribers researching this
area.
Lucenec (formerly Losonc, Nograd megye) is about 20 km west of Rimavska
Sobota and very close to the Hungarian border. Please limit postings to
subjects related to genealogical research.
----------------------------
<snip>
Seeking Ruth Gove e-mail address #hungary

marcplot <marcplot@...>
 

Anyone have a current address for Ruth Gove?

Thanks. Please reply privately.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com
Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: Lucenec (Losonc) #hungary

Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Kohn <rkohn@bigpond.net.au>
To: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


Both my mother and father came >from Lucenec and I am looking for anyone
who
comes >from there or knows anything about the town.

The family names are Szekely, Himmler (not the famous one!) Barok and
Lovinger.

Sylvia Kohn
Sydney, Australia
rkohn@bigpond.net.au



----- Original Message -----
From: bikerick <bikerick@worldnet.att.net>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:01 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Lucenec (Losonc)


---------------------------
Moderator VK: The following message is somewhat off-topic but I'm
posting
it because it may be of interest to H-SIG subscribers researching this
area.
Lucenec (formerly Losonc, Nograd megye) is about 20 km west of Rimavska
Sobota and very close to the Hungarian border. Please limit postings to
subjects related to genealogical research.
----------------------------
<snip>
Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking Ruth Gove e-mail address #hungary

marcplot <marcplot@...>
 

Anyone have a current address for Ruth Gove?

Thanks. Please reply privately.

Marc Weiss
New York
marcplot@compuserve.com
Re: Early 20th Century Census Data #hungary

Arik Solomon <Arik@...>
 

Thank you all for your replies.
I now understand the difficulties I have to deal with.
I do have one note though: my parents visited the Satu-Mare district =
last month and in one of the villages, Turt, they 'bought' their way =
into the town hall's vital records archive.
They managed to picture (no xerox machines there) a couple of pages with =
birth records >from 1947-1950 and even >from 1924. The archivist told them =
that records older than 1895, are kept in the national archives in =
Bucharest. (which makes me wonder about records >from this area prior to =
the Treaty of Trianon which should be in Budapest ...)

Anyway, thanks again everyone.
Shana Tova,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

Moderator VK: Arik's original message (see below) inquired about the availability of census data >from Transylvania. As explained in earlier messages, the area in question was covered by several Hungarian national censuses conducted prior to the Treaty of Trianon, which ceded this area to Romania. Vital records, which were collected by the local rabbi prior to 1895, are a different matter. Copies of these records were supposed to be turned over to the county or regional archives and may be available to those who visit Romania or hire researchers with access to these sources archives. Has anyone found pre-1895 vital records >from areas in presentday Romania in the Hungarian State archives?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:40 PM
To: Romania SIG
Subject: [rom-sig] RE: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
Hi all,
A couple of days ago I posted the attached message asking whether=20
someone knows where can I find census data >from the early=20
20th century=20
for the Transylvania region.
All I got in response are requests to share any information=20
that I find,=20
and I ask myself is it possible that there's no such data available?=20
neither online nor offline.
It seems to me like the first thing to look for after you have some=20
names, places and dates. Can it be that no one ever used such=20
information ?
=20
I'll greatly appreciate any clue about this issue, even a=20
redirection to=20
another source.
Thanks in advance,
and Shana Tova
=20
Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:38 AM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
=20
Fellow SIGers,
=20
Does anyone know if there is a Hungary/Romania online census
data >from the early 20th century (1900-1930).
If not online, where else is it possible to get such data ?
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Early 20th Century Census Data #hungary

Arik Solomon <Arik@...>
 

Thank you all for your replies.
I now understand the difficulties I have to deal with.
I do have one note though: my parents visited the Satu-Mare district =
last month and in one of the villages, Turt, they 'bought' their way =
into the town hall's vital records archive.
They managed to picture (no xerox machines there) a couple of pages with =
birth records >from 1947-1950 and even >from 1924. The archivist told them =
that records older than 1895, are kept in the national archives in =
Bucharest. (which makes me wonder about records >from this area prior to =
the Treaty of Trianon which should be in Budapest ...)

Anyway, thanks again everyone.
Shana Tova,

Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel

Researching:
SOLOMON (SALAMON,SALOMON), >from TURT (TURCZ)
NEUFELD, >from VAMA (VAMFALU)
GRUN, >from SATU MARE (SZATMAR)
FEIG, >from RUSCOVA (VISOOROSZI)

Moderator VK: Arik's original message (see below) inquired about the availability of census data >from Transylvania. As explained in earlier messages, the area in question was covered by several Hungarian national censuses conducted prior to the Treaty of Trianon, which ceded this area to Romania. Vital records, which were collected by the local rabbi prior to 1895, are a different matter. Copies of these records were supposed to be turned over to the county or regional archives and may be available to those who visit Romania or hire researchers with access to these sources archives. Has anyone found pre-1895 vital records >from areas in presentday Romania in the Hungarian State archives?

-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:40 PM
To: Romania SIG
Subject: [rom-sig] RE: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
Hi all,
A couple of days ago I posted the attached message asking whether=20
someone knows where can I find census data >from the early=20
20th century=20
for the Transylvania region.
All I got in response are requests to share any information=20
that I find,=20
and I ask myself is it possible that there's no such data available?=20
neither online nor offline.
It seems to me like the first thing to look for after you have some=20
names, places and dates. Can it be that no one ever used such=20
information ?
=20
I'll greatly appreciate any clue about this issue, even a=20
redirection to=20
another source.
Thanks in advance,
and Shana Tova
=20
Arik Solomon
Petah Tikva
Israel
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Arik Solomon [mailto:Arik@clearforest.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:38 AM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Early 20th Century Census Data
=20
Fellow SIGers,
=20
Does anyone know if there is a Hungary/Romania online census
data >from the early 20th century (1900-1930).
If not online, where else is it possible to get such data ?
Polish translation needed #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

If anyone can translate Polish to English and would be willing to help
translate some documents (not vital records), please contact me privately.
These documents relate to Lodz.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
JRI Poland #Poland Polish translation needed #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

If anyone can translate Polish to English and would be willing to help
translate some documents (not vital records), please contact me privately.
These documents relate to Lodz.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Houston, Texas
Dr. Beider?? #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I was going through some older 1997 Kielce-Radom SIG
journals and came across an article by Alexander
Beider. "Surnames >from Western Radom Gubernia". I
believe my ancestors are listed.

Is Dr. Beider still available for this information?

Thank you.

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ
Lodz Archives Project -- surname lists updated #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

JRI-Poland has placed online surname lists for several towns in the Lodz
region. These are surnames that appear in the non-microfilmed, archival
Jewish records housed in the Lodz branch of the Polish State Archives. The
majority of the surnames appeared in these towns in the latter part of the
19th century, however, earlier years may be included for some towns.

Surname lists are now online for:
Koniecpol
Konstantynow Lodzki
Lowicz
Ozorkow (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)
Pajeczno
Poddebice
Warta
Wielun
Zdunska Wola
Zloczew (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)

To view the surnames, access:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm >
and click "Lodz, phase 1" in the dropdown menu at the top of the page. Then
click a town name in the table to access its surname list.

The up-to-date city of Lodz surname list, 1899-1901, is also now online.
Access the same web page as above, and click "Lodz, phase 2" in the dropdown
menu. Then click "Lodz" in the table to access the surname list. The actual

data is online in the JRI-Poland database.

If you have any questions about the surname lists, please contact the town
leader for the appropriate town. I would be happy to answer any questions
about the Lodz Archives PSA Project.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Archive Coordinator/JRI-Poland
Seflaum@aol.com
JRI Poland #Poland Dr. Beider?? #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I was going through some older 1997 Kielce-Radom SIG
journals and came across an article by Alexander
Beider. "Surnames >from Western Radom Gubernia". I
believe my ancestors are listed.

Is Dr. Beider still available for this information?

Thank you.

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ
JRI Poland #Poland Lodz Archives Project -- surname lists updated #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

JRI-Poland has placed online surname lists for several towns in the Lodz
region. These are surnames that appear in the non-microfilmed, archival
Jewish records housed in the Lodz branch of the Polish State Archives. The
majority of the surnames appeared in these towns in the latter part of the
19th century, however, earlier years may be included for some towns.

Surname lists are now online for:
Koniecpol
Konstantynow Lodzki
Lowicz
Ozorkow (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)
Pajeczno
Poddebice
Warta
Wielun
Zdunska Wola
Zloczew (data not yet online in the JRI-Poland database)

To view the surnames, access:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/status.htm >
and click "Lodz, phase 1" in the dropdown menu at the top of the page. Then
click a town name in the table to access its surname list.

The up-to-date city of Lodz surname list, 1899-1901, is also now online.
Access the same web page as above, and click "Lodz, phase 2" in the dropdown
menu. Then click "Lodz" in the table to access the surname list. The actual

data is online in the JRI-Poland database.

If you have any questions about the surname lists, please contact the town
leader for the appropriate town. I would be happy to answer any questions
about the Lodz Archives PSA Project.

Regards,
Shirley Rotbein Flaum
Lodz Archive Coordinator/JRI-Poland
Seflaum@aol.com
Seeking Sid Orfus #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I am trying to contact Sid Orfus.

I have a Gitla Orfus that married into my family. She
was born in Radom, Poland, May 14, 1873, parents names
look like Icek and Kajli.

If you think she is one of your ancestors, contact me
privately. GRTuckman@att.net

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ

Seeking:

AUSTRIAN (Radom, Konskie)
FUHRER (Lomza)
TUCKMAN (Lublin)
GOLDSTEIN, DANIEL, MARCUS, SPINNER (Iasi, Romania)
SHAPIRO, ALTMAN, OTTMAN (Belaruse)
JRI Poland #Poland Seeking Sid Orfus #poland

grtuckman@...
 

I am trying to contact Sid Orfus.

I have a Gitla Orfus that married into my family. She
was born in Radom, Poland, May 14, 1873, parents names
look like Icek and Kajli.

If you think she is one of your ancestors, contact me
privately. GRTuckman@att.net

Greg Tuckman
Tempe, AZ

Seeking:

AUSTRIAN (Radom, Konskie)
FUHRER (Lomza)
TUCKMAN (Lublin)
GOLDSTEIN, DANIEL, MARCUS, SPINNER (Iasi, Romania)
SHAPIRO, ALTMAN, OTTMAN (Belaruse)
German Jewish History Awards #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

This is a reminder that the deadline for submission of nominations for
German Jewish History Awards is September 20, 2002. These awards will
be given to five Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to
preserving the Jewish history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in
their local communities. Thousands of Germans have carried out such
activities as volunteers because they feel it is the right thing to do -
the preservation of Jewish material is one of the few ways in which they
can respond constructively to their country's horrible past. We, as
Jewish genealogists, are the recipients of their good work.

These awards are sponsored by the GerSIG, the German-Jewish Community
History Council, and the Berlin Parliament. Many of you previously
submitted worthy nominations. Those nominees who have already received
Certificates of Commendation are prime candidates for this year's
awards, and will only require updating of the submissions.

This will be the third year for such awards, which will be given on
January 27, 2003, the German Holocaust Memorial Day (the anniversary of
the liberation of Auschwitz). Each awardee and their spouse will be
invited on an all expenses paid trip to Berlin to receive the award at
the Plenary Chamber of the Abgeordnetenhaus, the home of the Berlin
Parliament. The honorees will receive a framed certificate and an
honorarium to be used for the furtherance of their work. Awardees'
contributions will be described to attendees and to the local, national
and international news media. Last year's awards received extensive news
coverage, including The New York Times, the Associated Press, Jewish
Telegraphic Agency, and a great many German daily newspapers, as well as
specific articles in American Jewish weeklies.

If you know someone who may be appropriate for nomination, further
information -- including the Call for Nominations and profiles of
previous award winners and the jury -- can be obtained at

http://home.attbi.com/~obermayer/award

You may obtain a hard copy of the Call for Nominations by sending an
email to

germanaward@hotmail.com

or a letter to the German-Jewish Community History Council, 239 Chestnut
Street, West Newton, MA 02465 USA or to Hendrik Kuebler, Referat
Protokoll, Abgeordnetenhaus von Berlin, D-10111 Berlin-Mitte, Germany.

Remember that the deadline for submission of nominations is September
20, 2002 -- only three weeks away!

Arthur Obermayer West Newton, MA USA
German SIG #Germany German Jewish History Awards #germany

Arthur Obermayer <obermayer@...>
 

This is a reminder that the deadline for submission of nominations for
German Jewish History Awards is September 20, 2002. These awards will
be given to five Germans who have made extraordinary contributions to
preserving the Jewish history, culture, cemeteries and synagogues in
their local communities. Thousands of Germans have carried out such
activities as volunteers because they feel it is the right thing to do -
the preservation of Jewish material is one of the few ways in which they
can respond constructively to their country's horrible past. We, as
Jewish genealogists, are the recipients of their good work.

These awards are sponsored by the GerSIG, the German-Jewish Community
History Council, and the Berlin Parliament. Many of you previously
submitted worthy nominations. Those nominees who have already received
Certificates of Commendation are prime candidates for this year's
awards, and will only require updating of the submissions.

This will be the third year for such awards, which will be given on
January 27, 2003, the German Holocaust Memorial Day (the anniversary of
the liberation of Auschwitz). Each awardee and their spouse will be
invited on an all expenses paid trip to Berlin to receive the award at
the Plenary Chamber of the Abgeordnetenhaus, the home of the Berlin
Parliament. The honorees will receive a framed certificate and an
honorarium to be used for the furtherance of their work. Awardees'
contributions will be described to attendees and to the local, national
and international news media. Last year's awards received extensive news
coverage, including The New York Times, the Associated Press, Jewish
Telegraphic Agency, and a great many German daily newspapers, as well as
specific articles in American Jewish weeklies.

If you know someone who may be appropriate for nomination, further
information -- including the Call for Nominations and profiles of
previous award winners and the jury -- can be obtained at

http://home.attbi.com/~obermayer/award

You may obtain a hard copy of the Call for Nominations by sending an
email to

germanaward@hotmail.com

or a letter to the German-Jewish Community History Council, 239 Chestnut
Street, West Newton, MA 02465 USA or to Hendrik Kuebler, Referat
Protokoll, Abgeordnetenhaus von Berlin, D-10111 Berlin-Mitte, Germany.

Remember that the deadline for submission of nominations is September
20, 2002 -- only three weeks away!

Arthur Obermayer West Newton, MA USA
Re: Help requested re our pending visit to Germany #germany

Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
 

Jewish birth, marriage and death records (Juden Matrikel) of what then was
the Grossherzogtum Hessen were established by law on January 14, 1823.
Most of these records still exist today; probably at the three state
archives (Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and Marburg). In addition many of the
originals still can be found at the place where the event took place.

In some places, like Darmstadt, Jewish records were kept at earlier dates.

I suggest that you make appointments at the three state archives and that
you visit the mayors of the places you indicated.

As to translators I am not in a position to give any help since I read,
speak and write German fluently.

I have no information re Hamburg. Good luck !

Ernest R. Stiefel, Seattle, Washington erstiefel@msn..com
German SIG #Germany Re: Help requested re our pending visit to Germany #germany

Ernest and Doris Stiefel <erstiefel@...>
 

Jewish birth, marriage and death records (Juden Matrikel) of what then was
the Grossherzogtum Hessen were established by law on January 14, 1823.
Most of these records still exist today; probably at the three state
archives (Wiesbaden, Darmstadt and Marburg). In addition many of the
originals still can be found at the place where the event took place.

In some places, like Darmstadt, Jewish records were kept at earlier dates.

I suggest that you make appointments at the three state archives and that
you visit the mayors of the places you indicated.

As to translators I am not in a position to give any help since I read,
speak and write German fluently.

I have no information re Hamburg. Good luck !

Ernest R. Stiefel, Seattle, Washington erstiefel@msn..com
ABRAHAM JACOBS INFO POSTED ON VIEWMATE #lithuania

rlberliner@...
 

Please view at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1734.html

and

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1735.html

Two items are posted on Viewmate regarding Abraham Jacobs. On his Death
Certificate, help is needed reading the given name and middle initial of
Abraham's father and the maiden name of his mother.

The second item is Abraham's obituary which shows Mollie as his widow. Her
maiden name or any other information about her is unknown to us.

It is possible that Abraham was related to Chaim/Hyman Jacobs who may have
been married to Sarah. If they are related, they could be brothers or father and son.

Thank you for your suggestions of the spellings of these names. Hopefully,
there will also be a connection on these documents to a genner's family
records?

Please reply privately.

TIA for your responses.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania ABRAHAM JACOBS INFO POSTED ON VIEWMATE #lithuania

rlberliner@...
 

Please view at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1734.html

and

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/source/vm1735.html

Two items are posted on Viewmate regarding Abraham Jacobs. On his Death
Certificate, help is needed reading the given name and middle initial of
Abraham's father and the maiden name of his mother.

The second item is Abraham's obituary which shows Mollie as his widow. Her
maiden name or any other information about her is unknown to us.

It is possible that Abraham was related to Chaim/Hyman Jacobs who may have
been married to Sarah. If they are related, they could be brothers or father and son.

Thank you for your suggestions of the spellings of these names. Hopefully,
there will also be a connection on these documents to a genner's family
records?

Please reply privately.

TIA for your responses.

Sincerely,
Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net
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