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Able to search ONLY New Additions to ALD? #lithuania

susan <chimes2weiner@...>
 

Is it possible to search the All Lithuania Database only for new
additions to the ALD?

It would be great if I could do a search that wouldn't repeat my
earlier search findings.

Susan Weiner, Boston, Massachusetts

SEARCHING:
CHIMES/CHAIMOWITZ (Krakes & Krekenava, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
NEL (South Africa)
SAFER (New York City, NY)
SMITH (Scotland, South Africa)
VISHNOVICH/WEISS (Krakes, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
WEINER (Sudilkov, Ukraine)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Able to search ONLY New Additions to ALD? #lithuania

susan <chimes2weiner@...>
 

Is it possible to search the All Lithuania Database only for new
additions to the ALD?

It would be great if I could do a search that wouldn't repeat my
earlier search findings.

Susan Weiner, Boston, Massachusetts

SEARCHING:
CHIMES/CHAIMOWITZ (Krakes & Krekenava, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
NEL (South Africa)
SAFER (New York City, NY)
SMITH (Scotland, South Africa)
VISHNOVICH/WEISS (Krakes, Lithuania; South Africa; USA)
WEINER (Sudilkov, Ukraine)


Kupiskis, Lithuania #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of
Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47 other descendants, some of whom are
Holocaust survivors, >from this shtetl.

If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known as Kupishok and
you haven't already contacted me previously, please do so as I will provide
an update on this trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Kupiskis, Lithuania #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the Kupiskis Wall of
Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47 other descendants, some of whom are
Holocaust survivors, >from this shtetl.

If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known as Kupishok and
you haven't already contacted me previously, please do so as I will provide
an update on this trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Kupiskis, Lithuania #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the
Kupiskis Wall of Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47
other descendants, some of whom are Holocaust survivors,
from this shtetl.
If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known
as Kupishok and you haven't already contacted me previously,
please do so as I will provide an update on this
trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kupiskis, Lithuania #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I will be leaving in a few days for the dedication of the
Kupiskis Wall of Memory Holocaust Memorial along with 47
other descendants, some of whom are Holocaust survivors,
from this shtetl.
If your family originated in Kupiskis which was also known
as Kupishok and you haven't already contacted me previously,
please do so as I will provide an update on this
trip when I return.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: site mentioning exact death dates in Auschwitz !!! #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Andres,

This list has been created >from the listing in the Journal Officiel of
France, Legifrance. The listing was developed >from those who claimed
death certificates for their lost family members. So it would seem that
someone has made such a claim >from the French government for the family
members you have found. It has nothing to do with German lists, etc.

There is a Link to both the sites of Legifrance, and the reformatting of
Daniel Carouge and Patrick Cheylan on the web site of the FrenchSIG
www.jewishgen.org/french which explains this matter.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG

Andres Carciente wrote:

I have found in the www.mortsdanslescamps.com
site the death dates of members of my family
deported >from France.

I tried to contact Mr. Patrick CHEYLAN who is in
charge with the page, but did not get any answer.

I wanted to ask what is his source?
Did the germans keep any records in Auschwitz ???
I am asking, because he is not only providing the
year, but also the month and the day of death!!!

I would appreciate any orientation!
Thanks,

Andres Carciente
Budapest


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: site mentioning exact death dates in Auschwitz !!! #general

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear Andres,

This list has been created >from the listing in the Journal Officiel of
France, Legifrance. The listing was developed >from those who claimed
death certificates for their lost family members. So it would seem that
someone has made such a claim >from the French government for the family
members you have found. It has nothing to do with German lists, etc.

There is a Link to both the sites of Legifrance, and the reformatting of
Daniel Carouge and Patrick Cheylan on the web site of the FrenchSIG
www.jewishgen.org/french which explains this matter.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
FrenchSIG

Andres Carciente wrote:

I have found in the www.mortsdanslescamps.com
site the death dates of members of my family
deported >from France.

I tried to contact Mr. Patrick CHEYLAN who is in
charge with the page, but did not get any answer.

I wanted to ask what is his source?
Did the germans keep any records in Auschwitz ???
I am asking, because he is not only providing the
year, but also the month and the day of death!!!

I would appreciate any orientation!
Thanks,

Andres Carciente
Budapest


JGS of Cleveland July meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The July meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be "Where Do I Go
from Here?". Gary Silverstein, Program Director, will present some new
data sources and guide us on our research paths. Maybe he will even be
able to break down some brick walls. If you need some ideas for your
next step, please write down your question and the sources you have
tried without success, and bring it to the meeting. Also, we will ask
each member to tell his/her favorite source for genealogical research.

When: 7:30 p.m., Wednesday, July 7
Where: Menorah Park Miller Boardroom (upstairs)
27100 Cedar Rd., Beachwood

Cynthia Spikell
1st V.P.


Re: Tomashpol #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

On July 2, 04 Norman Simms asked about Tomashpol, which he believes was a
suburb of Odessa. So far as I know, it was not not a suburb of Odessa. Its
connection to Odessa was through a railroad which ran >from Vinnitsa in Podolia to
Odessa.

Chester G. Cohen's "Shtetl Finder Gazetteer" says that Tomashpol was north
of Odessa and south of Vinnitsa. He notes that in 1884 the newspaper
"Hamelitz"published an article by Mosha Baran which concerned the eviction of the Jews
from the nearby village of Verbka. Hamelitz also published writings by Moshe
Zlotkin a correspondent. Tomashpol was the birthplace of Alexander Portnoff
who became a sculptor and painter in Philadelphia

A description of Tomashpol can be found in an essay on Podolian Shtetl
architecture, by Alla Sokolova in Gennady Estraikh and Mikhail Krutikov, eds. "The
Shtetl: Image and Reality," Papers of the Second Mendel Friedman
International Conference on Yiddis, European Homanities Reseach Center, University of
Oxford.2000. This book can be purchased used or new online and should be
available in situ or through an interlibrary book loan program at any good University
or Public library.

According to the Sokolova essay, the town was bordered by a small stream to
the west, and by the river Ruzny on the south. It had three main streets
which went >from the small square near a bridge. Its large synagogue was built
during the late eighteenth century. Three synagogues buildings. destroyed during
WWII, were in the late nineteenth to early twentieth century were located in
the terraces of common houses. The Roman Catholic Church stood on a high
plateau.

Sokolova writes that she was told by a Tomashpol resident that there was a
tradition of celebrating the Sukkoth on the loggias on the pediments of houses
with two-pitch gable roofs.

Page 67 of this book has an indistinct plan of Tomashpol showing the
location of its houses, its oldest stone synagogue and of a mikvah. It also shows
the "newer" synagogues, Russian Orthodox Churches, the Jewish cemetery and the
Roman Catholic Church.

A "google" search turned up several URLs, one of the Weisenthal Center,
which describes Tomashpol's Holocaust experience and another which says that the
famous sugar magnates Brodsky had a factory in Tomashpol.

My old Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer notes only that the town was noted for
sugar refining.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" says that some
Tomashpol army, census, death, marriage and notary records are located in Kamenetz
Podolsky warehoused archives. But she reported that parts of this archive
collection were damaged or lost during a fire in April 2003. What can be
restored and saved will be sent to the Khmelnitsky archives but, unless I am
mistaken, to date, Ms. Weiner has not learned and reported just what items were
salvaged nor when they will be available to look through.

(I wonder whether Norman Simms is the same Norman Simms of Waikato
University of New Zealand, with whom I correponded a couple of years ago.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Cleveland July meeting #general

C&V <proprius@...>
 

The July meeting of the JGS of Cleveland will be "Where Do I Go
from Here?". Gary Silverstein, Program Director, will present some new
data sources and guide us on our research paths. Maybe he will even be
able to break down some brick walls. If you need some ideas for your
next step, please write down your question and the sources you have
tried without success, and bring it to the meeting. Also, we will ask
each member to tell his/her favorite source for genealogical research.

When: 7:30 p.m., Wednesday, July 7
Where: Menorah Park Miller Boardroom (upstairs)
27100 Cedar Rd., Beachwood

Cynthia Spikell
1st V.P.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Tomashpol #ukraine

NFatouros@...
 

On July 2, 04 Norman Simms asked about Tomashpol, which he believes was a
suburb of Odessa. So far as I know, it was not not a suburb of Odessa. Its
connection to Odessa was through a railroad which ran >from Vinnitsa in Podolia to
Odessa.

Chester G. Cohen's "Shtetl Finder Gazetteer" says that Tomashpol was north
of Odessa and south of Vinnitsa. He notes that in 1884 the newspaper
"Hamelitz"published an article by Mosha Baran which concerned the eviction of the Jews
from the nearby village of Verbka. Hamelitz also published writings by Moshe
Zlotkin a correspondent. Tomashpol was the birthplace of Alexander Portnoff
who became a sculptor and painter in Philadelphia

A description of Tomashpol can be found in an essay on Podolian Shtetl
architecture, by Alla Sokolova in Gennady Estraikh and Mikhail Krutikov, eds. "The
Shtetl: Image and Reality," Papers of the Second Mendel Friedman
International Conference on Yiddis, European Homanities Reseach Center, University of
Oxford.2000. This book can be purchased used or new online and should be
available in situ or through an interlibrary book loan program at any good University
or Public library.

According to the Sokolova essay, the town was bordered by a small stream to
the west, and by the river Ruzny on the south. It had three main streets
which went >from the small square near a bridge. Its large synagogue was built
during the late eighteenth century. Three synagogues buildings. destroyed during
WWII, were in the late nineteenth to early twentieth century were located in
the terraces of common houses. The Roman Catholic Church stood on a high
plateau.

Sokolova writes that she was told by a Tomashpol resident that there was a
tradition of celebrating the Sukkoth on the loggias on the pediments of houses
with two-pitch gable roofs.

Page 67 of this book has an indistinct plan of Tomashpol showing the
location of its houses, its oldest stone synagogue and of a mikvah. It also shows
the "newer" synagogues, Russian Orthodox Churches, the Jewish cemetery and the
Roman Catholic Church.

A "google" search turned up several URLs, one of the Weisenthal Center,
which describes Tomashpol's Holocaust experience and another which says that the
famous sugar magnates Brodsky had a factory in Tomashpol.

My old Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer notes only that the town was noted for
sugar refining.

Miriam Weiner's "Jewish Roots in Ukraine and Moldova" says that some
Tomashpol army, census, death, marriage and notary records are located in Kamenetz
Podolsky warehoused archives. But she reported that parts of this archive
collection were damaged or lost during a fire in April 2003. What can be
restored and saved will be sent to the Khmelnitsky archives but, unless I am
mistaken, to date, Ms. Weiner has not learned and reported just what items were
salvaged nor when they will be available to look through.

(I wonder whether Norman Simms is the same Norman Simms of Waikato
University of New Zealand, with whom I correponded a couple of years ago.)

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@aol.com
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, RADOMYSL?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Announcing: Lodz Ghetto Database #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

[MODERATOR NOTE: This message is reprinted >from the JewishGen Discussion Group.
Congratulations to everyone involved in making this extremely valuable database
available to the public online!]

From: Warren Blatt <wblatt@jewishgen.org>
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:21:39 -0700

JewishGen and Yad Vashem are pleased to announce the availability
of a major new resource -- the Lodz Ghetto Database, a record of
the 240,000 inhabitants of the Lodz Ghetto.

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html >.

Prior to World War II, one-third of the 665,000 inhabitants of
the Polish city of Lodz were Jewish. On September 8, 1939, the
city was captured by the Germans and renamed "Litzmannstadt".
In 1940, a ghetto was created and sealed off. Transports arrived
from many other towns in Poland and throughout Europe.
Population registry books were kept by the Judenrat (Jewish
council) of the Lodz ghetto, >from the time of establishment of the
Ghetto in February 1940 until just prior to its liquidation in
August 1944. The records were maintained by apartment address,
and were updated on a continuing basis. In addition to the names
of the residents in an apartment, these records sometimes include
the former addresses, dates of birth, occupation, and date of
deportation or death of the individual.

There are approximately 242,000 separate entries on the database,
which tracks the movement of individuals into, within, and out of
the ghetto.

Yad Vashem, with the assistance of the Organization of Former
Residents of Lodz in Israel, was able to purchase a copy of the
registers >from the Polish State Archives. The result was
published by the Organization of Former Residents of Lodz in Israel
in a five volume set: "Lodz-Names: List of the Ghetto Inhabitants,
1940-1944", and was later digitized by volunteers at Yad Vashem.

We gratefully acknowledge the generosity of the Organization of
Former Residents of Lodz in Israel (Tel Aviv); and Yad Vashem,
The Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Authority (Jerusalem),
for making this remarkable database available to JewishGen.


The new Lodz Ghetto Database can be found at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html >,
and this data is also now included in the All Poland Database
and JewishGen's Holocaust Database:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland > and
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
JewishGen Editor-in-Chief
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Announcing: Lodz Ghetto Database #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

[MODERATOR NOTE: This message is reprinted >from the JewishGen Discussion Group.
Congratulations to everyone involved in making this extremely valuable database
available to the public online!]

From: Warren Blatt <wblatt@jewishgen.org>
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 11:21:39 -0700

JewishGen and Yad Vashem are pleased to announce the availability
of a major new resource -- the Lodz Ghetto Database, a record of
the 240,000 inhabitants of the Lodz Ghetto.

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html >.

Prior to World War II, one-third of the 665,000 inhabitants of
the Polish city of Lodz were Jewish. On September 8, 1939, the
city was captured by the Germans and renamed "Litzmannstadt".
In 1940, a ghetto was created and sealed off. Transports arrived
from many other towns in Poland and throughout Europe.
Population registry books were kept by the Judenrat (Jewish
council) of the Lodz ghetto, >from the time of establishment of the
Ghetto in February 1940 until just prior to its liquidation in
August 1944. The records were maintained by apartment address,
and were updated on a continuing basis. In addition to the names
of the residents in an apartment, these records sometimes include
the former addresses, dates of birth, occupation, and date of
deportation or death of the individual.

There are approximately 242,000 separate entries on the database,
which tracks the movement of individuals into, within, and out of
the ghetto.

Yad Vashem, with the assistance of the Organization of Former
Residents of Lodz in Israel, was able to purchase a copy of the
registers >from the Polish State Archives. The result was
published by the Organization of Former Residents of Lodz in Israel
in a five volume set: "Lodz-Names: List of the Ghetto Inhabitants,
1940-1944", and was later digitized by volunteers at Yad Vashem.

We gratefully acknowledge the generosity of the Organization of
Former Residents of Lodz in Israel (Tel Aviv); and Yad Vashem,
The Holocaust Martyrs and Heroes Remembrance Authority (Jerusalem),
for making this remarkable database available to JewishGen.


The new Lodz Ghetto Database can be found at
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/LodzGhetto.html >,
and this data is also now included in the All Poland Database
and JewishGen's Holocaust Database:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland > and
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust >.

Warren

Warren Blatt
JewishGen Editor-in-Chief
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto in Lodz #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

[MODERATOR NOTE: This message is reprinted >from the JewishGen Discussion Group.]

Subject: the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto in Lodz
From: "Julia Maria Koszewska" <julia_koszewska@wp.pl>
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:52:58 +0200

from 18th August to the 2nd of September 2004:
In the seat of The Monumentum Iudaicum Foundation
(18, Pomorska street,Lodz, Poland) will be open an
information and contact point for people searching
their relatives and friends who were witnesses
of tragedy of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto.

this is a part of many events organised to commemorate
the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt
Ghetto in Lodz.for more details, please visit
the official website:
http://www.ghetto.lodz.pl/ghetto/index2.php
and
http://www.lodzjews.org/en/indexen.htm


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto in Lodz #lodz #poland

Shirley Flaum <saraella2@...>
 

[MODERATOR NOTE: This message is reprinted >from the JewishGen Discussion Group.]

Subject: the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto in Lodz
From: "Julia Maria Koszewska" <julia_koszewska@wp.pl>
Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 16:52:58 +0200

from 18th August to the 2nd of September 2004:
In the seat of The Monumentum Iudaicum Foundation
(18, Pomorska street,Lodz, Poland) will be open an
information and contact point for people searching
their relatives and friends who were witnesses
of tragedy of the Litzmannstadt Ghetto.

this is a part of many events organised to commemorate
the 60th Anniversary of the Liquidation of the Litzmannstadt
Ghetto in Lodz.for more details, please visit
the official website:
http://www.ghetto.lodz.pl/ghetto/index2.php
and
http://www.lodzjews.org/en/indexen.htm


Lodz Area Research Group for FRANKENTAL-BAUMGARTEN Families #lodz #poland

Edna Hoover
 

I 've been trying to put together a family tree for our
FRANKENTAL-BAUMGARTEN branches >from the Lodz-Leczyca area. I've been working
entirely through Jewish Gen and have not gotten very far over the past 4
years. Perhaps you can help me locate more information:

1. I located JRI-Poland marriage records for Liebe Brane FRANKENTAL, b. 1878
Leczyca and Menahem BAUMGARTEN b. 1876 Leczyca:

Town: Lodz PSA BMD 1899,1900 Gubernia: Piotrkow / Province: Lodz
(records in Fond 1568 in Lodz Archive) Located at 51°45' 19°28' Last
updated June 2001
Surname Given name Year Type Akt
BAUMGARTEN Menachem 1900 M 414
FRANKENTAL Liba Brana 1900 M 414

2. I found 1942 deportation records for Leser Hirsch BAUMGARTEN, b.1905
Leczyca in the Belgian Jewish Museum. He's listed with his wife, Mariem
Hinde FUHRER REINHOLD and their 2 children, Nesanel Wolf and Anna.

3. Leser Hirsch was the brother of our grandfather, Sucher Mordkhe-Max
BAUMGARTEN, b.1903 Leczyca, escaped Vienna, Austria ca. 1938. His maternal
grandparents are listed as Shabse FRANKENTAL and Sarah HAMBURGER. His
paternal grandparents are listed as Yehudah Leib BAUMGARTEN and Anna Taube
IZBUTSKY.

4. HEYMANN's genealogy website www.heymannfamily.com has a listing for a
Yoel FRANKENTAL, b. 1922, living in Bnei Brak, Israel, who may be a cousin
of our grandfather. The names of his descendants match our family names-
Yissachar, Mordechai, Menachem and Yehudah.

4. There are 2 holocaust records for Sucher and Sucher Mordkhe FRANKENTAL
from Lodz. He was born in 1918 and is listed as a Dachau survivor-
Pinkas HaNitzolim I - Register of Jewish Survivors
Searching for Surname FRANKENTAL (D-M code 796563) Number of hits: 7

Name (Maiden Name) Age / Year Born Place Former Residence/ Birth Place List
Name Page Comments

FRANKENTAL, Sucher Year Born: 18 Lodz

Polish Jews Liberated >from the Dachau Camp - 9 103 Lodz Ghetto List
Searching for Surname FRANKENTAL (D-M code 796563) Number of hits: 37

Name Maiden/ Other Surnames Marital Status Born/ Age Gender Residence
Address
Ghetto Street House Next Address Date Reg Type Deported/ Type
Transport/ Destination Died Place Notes Occupation

FRANKENTAL, Sucher Mordka 1918 M Lodz, Poland Sud 29
Pfauen Strasse 18 Flat 3 27/04/1941 / AG
Strumpfarb

5. Our grandfather also said that his family was related to the KOENIG and
HAMBURGER families in the same town. Years ago, I found references to both
families in Itzhak Yedidiah FRENKEL's "Sefer Linshits" Yizkor Book, Tel Aviv
1953, but I was not able to ascertain the relationships-

P. 200 states that the family of Getsel-Goetzl KEINIG-KOENIG, the Mohel, and
his daughters Priba, Fraide, Hindel, Liebe Braineh, Manya, Kriysa, and all
their families were killed in the Holocaust. KOENIG, Hayyim Simha and his
wife Rahel... KOENIG, Leibel and his children... KOENIG, Freida and Beila
Hindel... Later on, he mentions Goetzel KOENIG, p. 205 and Leibel KOENIG, p.
204.
Re'uven HAMBURGER, or HAMBURGER, the Grocer, and his family are also
mentioned.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated...

Edna Hoover
JGFF Researcher # 66736


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz Area Research Group for FRANKENTAL-BAUMGARTEN Families #lodz #poland

Edna Hoover
 

I 've been trying to put together a family tree for our
FRANKENTAL-BAUMGARTEN branches >from the Lodz-Leczyca area. I've been working
entirely through Jewish Gen and have not gotten very far over the past 4
years. Perhaps you can help me locate more information:

1. I located JRI-Poland marriage records for Liebe Brane FRANKENTAL, b. 1878
Leczyca and Menahem BAUMGARTEN b. 1876 Leczyca:

Town: Lodz PSA BMD 1899,1900 Gubernia: Piotrkow / Province: Lodz
(records in Fond 1568 in Lodz Archive) Located at 51°45' 19°28' Last
updated June 2001
Surname Given name Year Type Akt
BAUMGARTEN Menachem 1900 M 414
FRANKENTAL Liba Brana 1900 M 414

2. I found 1942 deportation records for Leser Hirsch BAUMGARTEN, b.1905
Leczyca in the Belgian Jewish Museum. He's listed with his wife, Mariem
Hinde FUHRER REINHOLD and their 2 children, Nesanel Wolf and Anna.

3. Leser Hirsch was the brother of our grandfather, Sucher Mordkhe-Max
BAUMGARTEN, b.1903 Leczyca, escaped Vienna, Austria ca. 1938. His maternal
grandparents are listed as Shabse FRANKENTAL and Sarah HAMBURGER. His
paternal grandparents are listed as Yehudah Leib BAUMGARTEN and Anna Taube
IZBUTSKY.

4. HEYMANN's genealogy website www.heymannfamily.com has a listing for a
Yoel FRANKENTAL, b. 1922, living in Bnei Brak, Israel, who may be a cousin
of our grandfather. The names of his descendants match our family names-
Yissachar, Mordechai, Menachem and Yehudah.

4. There are 2 holocaust records for Sucher and Sucher Mordkhe FRANKENTAL
from Lodz. He was born in 1918 and is listed as a Dachau survivor-
Pinkas HaNitzolim I - Register of Jewish Survivors
Searching for Surname FRANKENTAL (D-M code 796563) Number of hits: 7

Name (Maiden Name) Age / Year Born Place Former Residence/ Birth Place List
Name Page Comments

FRANKENTAL, Sucher Year Born: 18 Lodz

Polish Jews Liberated >from the Dachau Camp - 9 103 Lodz Ghetto List
Searching for Surname FRANKENTAL (D-M code 796563) Number of hits: 37

Name Maiden/ Other Surnames Marital Status Born/ Age Gender Residence
Address
Ghetto Street House Next Address Date Reg Type Deported/ Type
Transport/ Destination Died Place Notes Occupation

FRANKENTAL, Sucher Mordka 1918 M Lodz, Poland Sud 29
Pfauen Strasse 18 Flat 3 27/04/1941 / AG
Strumpfarb

5. Our grandfather also said that his family was related to the KOENIG and
HAMBURGER families in the same town. Years ago, I found references to both
families in Itzhak Yedidiah FRENKEL's "Sefer Linshits" Yizkor Book, Tel Aviv
1953, but I was not able to ascertain the relationships-

P. 200 states that the family of Getsel-Goetzl KEINIG-KOENIG, the Mohel, and
his daughters Priba, Fraide, Hindel, Liebe Braineh, Manya, Kriysa, and all
their families were killed in the Holocaust. KOENIG, Hayyim Simha and his
wife Rahel... KOENIG, Leibel and his children... KOENIG, Freida and Beila
Hindel... Later on, he mentions Goetzel KOENIG, p. 205 and Leibel KOENIG, p.
204.
Re'uven HAMBURGER, or HAMBURGER, the Grocer, and his family are also
mentioned.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated...

Edna Hoover
JGFF Researcher # 66736


Rav Shaul Rafael of Predborz #rabbinic

Michael Rosenberg <mjrsnbrg@...>
 

I would very much appreciate if anybody has any information on Rav
Shaul Rafael LANDAU of Predborz. Apparently there were quite a few
Shaul Rafaels who stemmed >from the same family. The first one I have
notice of goes back to the second half of the 1700s.

Thank you very much,

Stephanie Rosenberg


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Shaul Rafael of Predborz #rabbinic

Michael Rosenberg <mjrsnbrg@...>
 

I would very much appreciate if anybody has any information on Rav
Shaul Rafael LANDAU of Predborz. Apparently there were quite a few
Shaul Rafaels who stemmed >from the same family. The first one I have
notice of goes back to the second half of the 1700s.

Thank you very much,

Stephanie Rosenberg