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Name Adoption Lists- #germany

james bauer <jbauer87@...>
 

Recognizing the importance of the adoption by Jews of new last names, we
have begun a project to identify the lists and make them available on line
on JewishGen.

I am working as the project manager and have a directory of about 70 towns
or villages for which various individuals possess lists. Our strategy is to
put those lists on line initially and then expand the search to as many
towns or villages as possible.

I am on the lookout for additional lists--if you have one, please email me
so that I can catalog it.

James Bauer Garden City, New York jbauer87@hotmail.com

Palatinate "Pierre Hahn" <pierre28@pacbell.net> Mon, 25 Jul 2005
between the years 1799 and 1815 Napoleon was the civic presence in the
Palatinate region. >from the Jewish genealogical perspective the most
important edict was the one which commanded the Jews to declare their new
names. Are there lists available and what towns are covered ?


German SIG #Germany Name Adoption Lists- #germany

james bauer <jbauer87@...>
 

Recognizing the importance of the adoption by Jews of new last names, we
have begun a project to identify the lists and make them available on line
on JewishGen.

I am working as the project manager and have a directory of about 70 towns
or villages for which various individuals possess lists. Our strategy is to
put those lists on line initially and then expand the search to as many
towns or villages as possible.

I am on the lookout for additional lists--if you have one, please email me
so that I can catalog it.

James Bauer Garden City, New York jbauer87@hotmail.com

Palatinate "Pierre Hahn" <pierre28@pacbell.net> Mon, 25 Jul 2005
between the years 1799 and 1815 Napoleon was the civic presence in the
Palatinate region. >from the Jewish genealogical perspective the most
important edict was the one which commanded the Jews to declare their new
names. Are there lists available and what towns are covered ?


Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ of Lancut #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Through JRI-Poland, I have received an 1898 marriage certificate
from Sieniawa for Isaac HOROWITZ (b. 1873, Rudnik), listing his
parents as Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ of Lancut (1825 or 1828, Rudnik-1901
or 1902) and my relative Alte KALTER. This is the only document I
am aware of naming Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ's wife (actually, I do not
know whether Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ was married more than once). I do
not know the names of Alte KALTER's parents or siblings, though I
have suspicions. I would appreciate any information about sources
pertaining to Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ that might mention (even if not
explicitly by name) his wife or her family. (To avoid possible
confusion, I note that another son of Rabbi Leib, Rabbi Jakob of
Lancut and Duesseldorf, was married to Esther bat Joseph HaKohen
KALTER, of unknown relationship to Alte KALTER.)

Also, it is written that a Rabbi Moses HALBERSTAM performed the
wedding, and I wonder whether this could be the son of the same name
of Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga HALBERSTAM of Sieniawa, a son of the
Divrei Chaim.

I would be glad to email a scan of this document to anyone who
requests it.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ of Lancut #rabbinic

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Through JRI-Poland, I have received an 1898 marriage certificate
from Sieniawa for Isaac HOROWITZ (b. 1873, Rudnik), listing his
parents as Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ of Lancut (1825 or 1828, Rudnik-1901
or 1902) and my relative Alte KALTER. This is the only document I
am aware of naming Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ's wife (actually, I do not
know whether Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ was married more than once). I do
not know the names of Alte KALTER's parents or siblings, though I
have suspicions. I would appreciate any information about sources
pertaining to Rabbi Leib HOROWITZ that might mention (even if not
explicitly by name) his wife or her family. (To avoid possible
confusion, I note that another son of Rabbi Leib, Rabbi Jakob of
Lancut and Duesseldorf, was married to Esther bat Joseph HaKohen
KALTER, of unknown relationship to Alte KALTER.)

Also, it is written that a Rabbi Moses HALBERSTAM performed the
wedding, and I wonder whether this could be the son of the same name
of Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga HALBERSTAM of Sieniawa, a son of the
Divrei Chaim.

I would be glad to email a scan of this document to anyone who
requests it.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Rav Yechiel Michal TUCATZENSKY #rabbinic

Aidel Heller <aidelh@...>
 

BS"D

I am trying to trace my family's lineage to Rav Yechiel Michal (ben
Aharon) TUCATZENSKY, Rosh Yeshiva of Etz Chaim in Jerusalem. My
grandfather was Pesach Leibel (Yehuda) TUCATZENSKY, born in Lodz and
came to the US as a teenager. My great-grandfather was Rav Menachem
Mendel ben Chatzkil TUCATZENSKY. Rav Menachem Mendel was a dayan in
Lodz. His wife's name was Esther nee VISHNIK. R. Chatzkil
TUCATZENSKY's wife was probably named Rivka, and there is a
possibility that R. Chatzkil's father was Reuven (Ruben)
TUCATZENSKY.

Does anyone have information on this TUCATZENSKY family tree?

Thanks so much,
Aidel Heller


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Yechiel Michal TUCATZENSKY #rabbinic

Aidel Heller <aidelh@...>
 

BS"D

I am trying to trace my family's lineage to Rav Yechiel Michal (ben
Aharon) TUCATZENSKY, Rosh Yeshiva of Etz Chaim in Jerusalem. My
grandfather was Pesach Leibel (Yehuda) TUCATZENSKY, born in Lodz and
came to the US as a teenager. My great-grandfather was Rav Menachem
Mendel ben Chatzkil TUCATZENSKY. Rav Menachem Mendel was a dayan in
Lodz. His wife's name was Esther nee VISHNIK. R. Chatzkil
TUCATZENSKY's wife was probably named Rivka, and there is a
possibility that R. Chatzkil's father was Reuven (Ruben)
TUCATZENSKY.

Does anyone have information on this TUCATZENSKY family tree?

Thanks so much,
Aidel Heller


Guttmann's in Tabor #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Celia Male's posting on the Tabor Guttmann's (18 July 2005) opens up
interesting historical questions about Jewish residency in this town.
It would appear that Jewish presence is relatively recent and any connections
with the late fourteenth century Hussite reform sect is either very
fleeting or still to be uncovered. What the Hussites and the Jews had in
common was the fact that they were victims of persecution by the ecclesiatical
and secular rulers of their day. The most radical wing of the Hussites was
established at Tabor, named after the well-known mountain of Tabor in the
lower Galilee.

My meagre contribution to the Guttmann clan of Tabor, partially covered by
Celia, is Gella (Catherine) Guttmann (c. 1833 - ????) who married Leopold
Koenig (1832 - ????) in Tabor in 23 November 1856. Catherine had 8 children,
twin daughters in 1859 followed by 6 sons. A hint of ancestry might be
derived >from the names of her two daughters, Bertha and Regina, born in
Prague (Lieben district).

There is a possibility that Gella Catherine's father is one of the five
sons of the Catherina mentioned by Celia as a widow.

One more Tabor Guttmann, Philip, is mentioned by Stransky in his article on
the Jewish economy in Bohemia found in The Jews of Czechoslovakia, vol I,
p.389. Philip was in the distilling business. No date is given but it appears
to be mid-19th c.

Paul King


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Guttmann's in Tabor #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Celia Male's posting on the Tabor Guttmann's (18 July 2005) opens up
interesting historical questions about Jewish residency in this town.
It would appear that Jewish presence is relatively recent and any connections
with the late fourteenth century Hussite reform sect is either very
fleeting or still to be uncovered. What the Hussites and the Jews had in
common was the fact that they were victims of persecution by the ecclesiatical
and secular rulers of their day. The most radical wing of the Hussites was
established at Tabor, named after the well-known mountain of Tabor in the
lower Galilee.

My meagre contribution to the Guttmann clan of Tabor, partially covered by
Celia, is Gella (Catherine) Guttmann (c. 1833 - ????) who married Leopold
Koenig (1832 - ????) in Tabor in 23 November 1856. Catherine had 8 children,
twin daughters in 1859 followed by 6 sons. A hint of ancestry might be
derived >from the names of her two daughters, Bertha and Regina, born in
Prague (Lieben district).

There is a possibility that Gella Catherine's father is one of the five
sons of the Catherina mentioned by Celia as a widow.

One more Tabor Guttmann, Philip, is mentioned by Stransky in his article on
the Jewish economy in Bohemia found in The Jews of Czechoslovakia, vol I,
p.389. Philip was in the distilling business. No date is given but it appears
to be mid-19th c.

Paul King


Introduction #austria-czech

mhlcswc2@...
 

I'm following Sharla's suggestion to introduce myself. I've been doing
genealogy for three years and am totally stuck on my father's maternal side.
Morris FRIEDMAN came to New York in 1880 >from Austria. His wife, Bertha GREEN
FRIEDMAN apparently followed in 1882. Their native language was German.
Morris was born about 1844 and died prior to 1927 when Bertha died as she was
listed as a widow. Children were Sadie, Mollie, Fannie, Rose, Pauline, Frank,
Adolph and Otto. Otto, Pauline, and Otto's wife are buried with Bertha.
Morris is nowhere to be found. Otto's mother-in-law was Sara (Sadie) FUCHS
HAZELCORN >from Galicia. On Bertha's death certificate Otto stated that
Bertha's mother's name was Sarah FUCHS. I'm now thinking it was a mistake.
Any suggestions to finding any of these people, except my Grandmother Rose,
Pauline and Otto, who I know about would be appreciated. I have found Frank's
grandchildren but they know less than I do. I was researching in Galicia but
at the 25th conference I was told that I would do better focusing on
this list.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer any suggestions.

Marcia G. Hoffman


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Introduction #austria-czech

mhlcswc2@...
 

I'm following Sharla's suggestion to introduce myself. I've been doing
genealogy for three years and am totally stuck on my father's maternal side.
Morris FRIEDMAN came to New York in 1880 >from Austria. His wife, Bertha GREEN
FRIEDMAN apparently followed in 1882. Their native language was German.
Morris was born about 1844 and died prior to 1927 when Bertha died as she was
listed as a widow. Children were Sadie, Mollie, Fannie, Rose, Pauline, Frank,
Adolph and Otto. Otto, Pauline, and Otto's wife are buried with Bertha.
Morris is nowhere to be found. Otto's mother-in-law was Sara (Sadie) FUCHS
HAZELCORN >from Galicia. On Bertha's death certificate Otto stated that
Bertha's mother's name was Sarah FUCHS. I'm now thinking it was a mistake.
Any suggestions to finding any of these people, except my Grandmother Rose,
Pauline and Otto, who I know about would be appreciated. I have found Frank's
grandchildren but they know less than I do. I was researching in Galicia but
at the 25th conference I was told that I would do better focusing on
this list.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer any suggestions.

Marcia G. Hoffman


Update on WUDL/WOODLE Families #austria-czech

Alexander Woodle <awoodle@...>
 

Dear Colleagues,

Many of you may have read of my early postings on the FANTES/WUDL connection
in Ckyne. My gg grandfather Jeremias WUDL moved >from West Bohemia to this
village where he acquired a familiaten license and had a rather large
family. I have been able to identify a number of living descendants who
were born in the United States, but more importantly, new evidence just
arrived confirming a link with a living descendant in Lugoj, Romania.

I relate this story, because it may be germane to your own families faced
with the severe marriage restrictions in Bohemia in the 18th and a portion
of the 19th centuries. There are very few WUDLs in the world, so this was a
help. There are only two families in the entire U.S. One of them is a
professor in California whose family came to America >from Vienna by way of
Bolivia. They are Jews who fled the Nazis in 1938 and lived in Bolivia
before emigrating to U. S. in 1958. His family came originally from
Hungary. Many Jews >from Bohemia and other lands moved to Hungary to escape
the strict marriage laws. I have kept an eye on the all Hungarian database
as it has continued to add new information. It was there that I found two
WUDLS, Salomon and Moyses who were living in the Banat region of the
Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1828. I believe they were
grandsons of my fourth great grandfather Moyses Wudl (1738-1795). With this
information, Mr. WUDL and I decided to have our DNA tested for possible
linkage. We matched perfectly for 12 markers, not the most definitive DNA
test, but having the same surname gives more weight to the validity of a
blood relationship.

The second WUDL family in America dismisses any connection with my Bohemian
family out of hand, because their family was Hungarian! More on them later.

In 2003, I was casually searching through an online phone directory for
Romania and found a WUDL in Lugoj! I was startled! Given the march of
terror throughout Eastern Europe during WWII, I was surprised to find this
family. I wrote to this man and he replied. He was surprised, too as he
thought he was the only male WUDL on the planet. He agreed to have his DNA
tested and he safely received the kit. We heard >from him only once after
that, but no kit came back. It was indeed frustrating to say the least.

This past May, my wonderful mother-in-law traveled to Romania on vacation
and I briefed her on my story. She contacted this man through her Romanian
guide, instructing him on how to do the test and having him mail it to her
in Bucharest. On my birthday at the end of May, I received an email
greeting >from her, "watch out what you wish for." She brought the sample
home and I rushed it to Familytree DNA in Texas for analysis. This time I
requested a 37 marker test, the same level I had recently upgraded for my
own DNA.

The results flashed across my monitor this week. We matched 36 of 37
markers with a 97.4% probability of a common ancestor around 300 years ago.
My research places it closer to 200 years. I will continue to search for
the missing links, but these results show how a knowledge of our Jewish
history can lead us to uncovering "lost" family. With this new information,
I will soon be writing to the other WUDL family to convince them to join our
study group. I am also in the process of following up on another
"mysterious" WUDL found in Austria! Stay tuned!

In conclusion, I recommend to you my approach in searching for some of your
Bohemian family in other lands. Using the Internet to search international
phone directories, other databases of JewishGen, and any clues no matter how
insignificant. Leave no stone unturned.

Sincerely,

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Update on WUDL/WOODLE Families #austria-czech

Alexander Woodle <awoodle@...>
 

Dear Colleagues,

Many of you may have read of my early postings on the FANTES/WUDL connection
in Ckyne. My gg grandfather Jeremias WUDL moved >from West Bohemia to this
village where he acquired a familiaten license and had a rather large
family. I have been able to identify a number of living descendants who
were born in the United States, but more importantly, new evidence just
arrived confirming a link with a living descendant in Lugoj, Romania.

I relate this story, because it may be germane to your own families faced
with the severe marriage restrictions in Bohemia in the 18th and a portion
of the 19th centuries. There are very few WUDLs in the world, so this was a
help. There are only two families in the entire U.S. One of them is a
professor in California whose family came to America >from Vienna by way of
Bolivia. They are Jews who fled the Nazis in 1938 and lived in Bolivia
before emigrating to U. S. in 1958. His family came originally from
Hungary. Many Jews >from Bohemia and other lands moved to Hungary to escape
the strict marriage laws. I have kept an eye on the all Hungarian database
as it has continued to add new information. It was there that I found two
WUDLS, Salomon and Moyses who were living in the Banat region of the
Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1828. I believe they were
grandsons of my fourth great grandfather Moyses Wudl (1738-1795). With this
information, Mr. WUDL and I decided to have our DNA tested for possible
linkage. We matched perfectly for 12 markers, not the most definitive DNA
test, but having the same surname gives more weight to the validity of a
blood relationship.

The second WUDL family in America dismisses any connection with my Bohemian
family out of hand, because their family was Hungarian! More on them later.

In 2003, I was casually searching through an online phone directory for
Romania and found a WUDL in Lugoj! I was startled! Given the march of
terror throughout Eastern Europe during WWII, I was surprised to find this
family. I wrote to this man and he replied. He was surprised, too as he
thought he was the only male WUDL on the planet. He agreed to have his DNA
tested and he safely received the kit. We heard >from him only once after
that, but no kit came back. It was indeed frustrating to say the least.

This past May, my wonderful mother-in-law traveled to Romania on vacation
and I briefed her on my story. She contacted this man through her Romanian
guide, instructing him on how to do the test and having him mail it to her
in Bucharest. On my birthday at the end of May, I received an email
greeting >from her, "watch out what you wish for." She brought the sample
home and I rushed it to Familytree DNA in Texas for analysis. This time I
requested a 37 marker test, the same level I had recently upgraded for my
own DNA.

The results flashed across my monitor this week. We matched 36 of 37
markers with a 97.4% probability of a common ancestor around 300 years ago.
My research places it closer to 200 years. I will continue to search for
the missing links, but these results show how a knowledge of our Jewish
history can lead us to uncovering "lost" family. With this new information,
I will soon be writing to the other WUDL family to convince them to join our
study group. I am also in the process of following up on another
"mysterious" WUDL found in Austria! Stay tuned!

In conclusion, I recommend to you my approach in searching for some of your
Bohemian family in other lands. Using the Internet to search international
phone directories, other databases of JewishGen, and any clues no matter how
insignificant. Leave no stone unturned.

Sincerely,

Alex Woodle
Groton, MA


PROPPER from Bohemia #austria-czech

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

I am taking Sharla's advice since it has been several years since I posted
to the group.  My husband's maternal grandmother was Carrie PROPPER,
the daughter of first cousins Siegfried and Sophie. She was born in Laun,
present day Louny, in 1883. She immigrated with her parents and six siblings
to New York City in 1886. I started with this information 12 years ago and
after much generous help >from relatives that we initially did not know,
we have a large family tree. Carrie's parents were Siegfried, the son of
Leopold and Magdalena KOHN, and Sophie, the daughter of David and Karoline POPPER. 
Both were the grandchildren of Elie PROPPER and Rosa DEUTSCH.
Branches of the family moved to France, Spain, England, Israel,
Canada and the United States.  Most of the PROPPERS still in Europe in the
late 1930's died in the Shoah and can be found on the Yad Vashem website.

Some of the early lines that I have missing information on are
ARNSTEIN, PARPAR, WEIGNER, STRASNOW all >from Bohemia.

Georgia HAKEN
Danbury, Connecticut


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech PROPPER from Bohemia #austria-czech

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

I am taking Sharla's advice since it has been several years since I posted
to the group.  My husband's maternal grandmother was Carrie PROPPER,
the daughter of first cousins Siegfried and Sophie. She was born in Laun,
present day Louny, in 1883. She immigrated with her parents and six siblings
to New York City in 1886. I started with this information 12 years ago and
after much generous help >from relatives that we initially did not know,
we have a large family tree. Carrie's parents were Siegfried, the son of
Leopold and Magdalena KOHN, and Sophie, the daughter of David and Karoline POPPER. 
Both were the grandchildren of Elie PROPPER and Rosa DEUTSCH.
Branches of the family moved to France, Spain, England, Israel,
Canada and the United States.  Most of the PROPPERS still in Europe in the
late 1930's died in the Shoah and can be found on the Yad Vashem website.

Some of the early lines that I have missing information on are
ARNSTEIN, PARPAR, WEIGNER, STRASNOW all >from Bohemia.

Georgia HAKEN
Danbury, Connecticut


Re: Cemeteries in Bohemia #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

Hi Robert -
The surveys are filed out by volunteers who have gone to the sites.
The content is what you see posted on the IAJGS cemetery site. When
there is more information that is also indicated.

The surveys are located halfway down this page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/instructions/

Please fill them out for the cemeteries you visited or email any
updates you have for the IAJGS pages to phrases1@aol.com

We also need a few more volunteers to help keep the pages up-to-date,
so anyone who wants to adopt a country or two please contact me. I can
train anyone with word processor skills to do this (HTML skills
preferred but not totally necessary)

Kitty Cooper
kitty@kittycooper.com
IAJGS volunteer webmaster


However in doing subsequent research I notice that the
International Jewish Cemetery Project lists, among the
information on each cemetery site, the fact that a "survey" was completed.
Also listed are the names of the individuals who conducted the survey.
My question is what do these surveys contain, for example, map? and
listing of the people buried? And how are these surveys obtained?
Robert Stein (USA)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Cemeteries in Bohemia #austria-czech

Kitty Munson Cooper
 

Hi Robert -
The surveys are filed out by volunteers who have gone to the sites.
The content is what you see posted on the IAJGS cemetery site. When
there is more information that is also indicated.

The surveys are located halfway down this page:
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/instructions/

Please fill them out for the cemeteries you visited or email any
updates you have for the IAJGS pages to phrases1@aol.com

We also need a few more volunteers to help keep the pages up-to-date,
so anyone who wants to adopt a country or two please contact me. I can
train anyone with word processor skills to do this (HTML skills
preferred but not totally necessary)

Kitty Cooper
kitty@kittycooper.com
IAJGS volunteer webmaster


However in doing subsequent research I notice that the
International Jewish Cemetery Project lists, among the
information on each cemetery site, the fact that a "survey" was completed.
Also listed are the names of the individuals who conducted the survey.
My question is what do these surveys contain, for example, map? and
listing of the people buried? And how are these surveys obtained?
Robert Stein (USA)


Re: Member introductions #austria-czech

Mark Williamson
 

Sharla Levine suggested:
I'd like to encourage everyone to introduce or re-introduce
themselves >to the list, and perhaps we'll find some new connections!

Allow me to introduce myself. I've been reading the digest for about
a year, but I have not posted to it before. My name as Mark
Williamson. I live in Houston, Texas, USA and am a semi-retired
computer guy >from the "big iron" era. I am lucky enough to live
within an easy drive of the Clayton Genealogical Library.

I inherited my mother's genealogical papers after she died nearly two
decades ago. >from time to time since then, I have tried to connect
her conclusions to her source material, her notes, and other source
material that has become available to me. I have been able to add a
few branches to portions of our family tree.

The main family I am researching in the Austria-Czech area is that of
my great-grandfather Ignatz Frederick KAUDERS (sometimes transcribed
as KANDERS) and his second wife Anna BERGMANN, plus the
tenuously-related POLLAK (POLLACK) and GUTWERTH or GISTHWIRTH
families. Ignatz was born around 1842 in Austria (or Hungary on some
papers), came to the United States around 1866, married here twice,
and lived in and around New York City until he died around 1909. His
first wife, Ricca BASCHE (1848-1880s), was apparently >from somewhere
in Germany; I have not searched for her as much as Ignatz and Anna.

Most of the family lore about Ignatz and Anna came >from their middle
child, my grandmother Elsie KAUDERS. Some of it is recorded in
letters >from my grandmother, some in notes >from a formal interview by
my mother. I have been able to substantiate parts >from transcripts
or images of official records; parts still remain in the realm of
"lore" (such as Ignatz being educated as the University of Vienna and
being a terrible gambler) or even fantasy (such as Elsie's claim that
Ignatz's father was of the lesser titled nobility, though there was a
Freiherr von Kauder title at one time).

The only tentative Jewish connections are
(1) the apparent presence of Anna's brother Friedrich (Fritz)
BERGMANN (1858-1930) and his wife Therese (POLLAK) BERGMANN
(1868-1925) in Zentralfriedhof IV. Tor sharing a grave,
(2) a number of documents describing their son Gustav BERGMANN
(1909-1987, semi-famous philosopher known to my grandmother) as
Jewish ("100%" Jewish according to a document filed just before he
fled Germany in 1939), and
(3) Gustav's own family tree, showing his first set of in-laws
Friedrich GOLWIG (1866-1907) and Elsa PHILLIPSOHN GOLWIG (d. ca.
1930) buried in an unspecified Jewish cemetery in Vienna (possibly
the Fritz and Elsa GOLWIG with matching dates indexed as sharing a
grave in Zentralfriedhof I. Tor, where Gustav's POLLAK grandparents
David and Marie may also lie).

I just (re)discovered a Mormon transcription of Manhattan (New York,
NY, USA) marriages >from Aug-Oct 1887 that may include Ignatz and
Anna's marriage. If so, Ignatz's parents were David KANDERS and
Nettie POLLACK, and Anna's were Michael BERGMANN and Bertha
GESTHWIRTH. My grandmother had given us the "Nettie" and "Michael
BERGMANN" parts, but said Anna's mother was also an Anna. Gustav
BERGMANN's family tree claims Michael's wife to be Blume GUTWERTH; is
that close enough to Bertha GESTHWIRTH?

Sorry to ramble on. Please let me know if any of this connects with
any of your research, or if any of what I have said looks wrong to
you. (For example, I am a little confused about just which parts of
the Zentralfriedhof contain Jewish burials. Are Entrances I and IV
both exclusively or primarily Jewish or only IV? If, as I suspect,
Gate 1 leads to mixed burials, can one tell which is which >from the
IKG index?)

My native language is English, but I read some French and Spanish,
very little German, and no Hebrew or Yiddish. I may well have missed
the best sources.

Mark R. Williamson


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Member introductions #austria-czech

Mark Williamson
 

Sharla Levine suggested:
I'd like to encourage everyone to introduce or re-introduce
themselves >to the list, and perhaps we'll find some new connections!

Allow me to introduce myself. I've been reading the digest for about
a year, but I have not posted to it before. My name as Mark
Williamson. I live in Houston, Texas, USA and am a semi-retired
computer guy >from the "big iron" era. I am lucky enough to live
within an easy drive of the Clayton Genealogical Library.

I inherited my mother's genealogical papers after she died nearly two
decades ago. >from time to time since then, I have tried to connect
her conclusions to her source material, her notes, and other source
material that has become available to me. I have been able to add a
few branches to portions of our family tree.

The main family I am researching in the Austria-Czech area is that of
my great-grandfather Ignatz Frederick KAUDERS (sometimes transcribed
as KANDERS) and his second wife Anna BERGMANN, plus the
tenuously-related POLLAK (POLLACK) and GUTWERTH or GISTHWIRTH
families. Ignatz was born around 1842 in Austria (or Hungary on some
papers), came to the United States around 1866, married here twice,
and lived in and around New York City until he died around 1909. His
first wife, Ricca BASCHE (1848-1880s), was apparently >from somewhere
in Germany; I have not searched for her as much as Ignatz and Anna.

Most of the family lore about Ignatz and Anna came >from their middle
child, my grandmother Elsie KAUDERS. Some of it is recorded in
letters >from my grandmother, some in notes >from a formal interview by
my mother. I have been able to substantiate parts >from transcripts
or images of official records; parts still remain in the realm of
"lore" (such as Ignatz being educated as the University of Vienna and
being a terrible gambler) or even fantasy (such as Elsie's claim that
Ignatz's father was of the lesser titled nobility, though there was a
Freiherr von Kauder title at one time).

The only tentative Jewish connections are
(1) the apparent presence of Anna's brother Friedrich (Fritz)
BERGMANN (1858-1930) and his wife Therese (POLLAK) BERGMANN
(1868-1925) in Zentralfriedhof IV. Tor sharing a grave,
(2) a number of documents describing their son Gustav BERGMANN
(1909-1987, semi-famous philosopher known to my grandmother) as
Jewish ("100%" Jewish according to a document filed just before he
fled Germany in 1939), and
(3) Gustav's own family tree, showing his first set of in-laws
Friedrich GOLWIG (1866-1907) and Elsa PHILLIPSOHN GOLWIG (d. ca.
1930) buried in an unspecified Jewish cemetery in Vienna (possibly
the Fritz and Elsa GOLWIG with matching dates indexed as sharing a
grave in Zentralfriedhof I. Tor, where Gustav's POLLAK grandparents
David and Marie may also lie).

I just (re)discovered a Mormon transcription of Manhattan (New York,
NY, USA) marriages >from Aug-Oct 1887 that may include Ignatz and
Anna's marriage. If so, Ignatz's parents were David KANDERS and
Nettie POLLACK, and Anna's were Michael BERGMANN and Bertha
GESTHWIRTH. My grandmother had given us the "Nettie" and "Michael
BERGMANN" parts, but said Anna's mother was also an Anna. Gustav
BERGMANN's family tree claims Michael's wife to be Blume GUTWERTH; is
that close enough to Bertha GESTHWIRTH?

Sorry to ramble on. Please let me know if any of this connects with
any of your research, or if any of what I have said looks wrong to
you. (For example, I am a little confused about just which parts of
the Zentralfriedhof contain Jewish burials. Are Entrances I and IV
both exclusively or primarily Jewish or only IV? If, as I suspect,
Gate 1 leads to mixed burials, can one tell which is which >from the
IKG index?)

My native language is English, but I read some French and Spanish,
very little German, and no Hebrew or Yiddish. I may well have missed
the best sources.

Mark R. Williamson


LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project on the road - Israel #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project will be on the road as of
Thursday for several weeks in Israel. Currently, we have scheduled an online
session with the Hebrew only forum "Shorashim Mishpachatayim". This will
take place on August 2 at 4 PM.

In addition, final arrangements are being made to give separate VRI Project
presentations to both the IGS [probably Tel Aviv] and JFRA [probably in
Herzliya at Beth Protea]. Also expected at Beth Protea will be the Galilee
Genealogical Society.

Once in Israel, I also plan to make contact with Amb. Neville Lamdan, and
if possible, Prof. Dov Levin and Motti Zalkin.

Those in Israel interested in attending one of the talks [IGS or JFRA/GGS]
should contact those groups directly.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project on the road - Israel #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

The LitvakSIG Vital Records Indexing Project will be on the road as of
Thursday for several weeks in Israel. Currently, we have scheduled an online
session with the Hebrew only forum "Shorashim Mishpachatayim". This will
take place on August 2 at 4 PM.

In addition, final arrangements are being made to give separate VRI Project
presentations to both the IGS [probably Tel Aviv] and JFRA [probably in
Herzliya at Beth Protea]. Also expected at Beth Protea will be the Galilee
Genealogical Society.

Once in Israel, I also plan to make contact with Amb. Neville Lamdan, and
if possible, Prof. Dov Levin and Motti Zalkin.

Those in Israel interested in attending one of the talks [IGS or JFRA/GGS]
should contact those groups directly.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group