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GITTER William, NYC, and a KITCES Connection #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

I'm trying to trace the family of GITTER Moshe-Eber and Shprintze, and
their son, William. I have no details about their birth dates, but I know
William lived around the 1930s in: 47 West 34th st., New York City, NY

Unfortunately, I have no other details about them.

I did find William (1900 - 1964, NY) and Martha GITTER (1899 - 1974, FL)
in the 1930 census and in the SSDI. According to the census, they had a son
names Herbert (b. 1925) and a daughter named Elizabeth/Elaine (b. 1911).

In the SSDI, there was only one option for this Herbert GITTER (died 1974).

I've found a family of Herbert GITTER (1925-1974) married to Deena BALLBUS,
with a son, William, and daughter, Julie - in the KITCES family website:
http://www.kitces.com, but got no answer >from the site owner to my queries.

Any help with locating the GITTERs (or with contacting the KITCES site
owner) will be much appreciated!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GITTER William, NYC, and a KITCES Connection #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

I'm trying to trace the family of GITTER Moshe-Eber and Shprintze, and
their son, William. I have no details about their birth dates, but I know
William lived around the 1930s in: 47 West 34th st., New York City, NY

Unfortunately, I have no other details about them.

I did find William (1900 - 1964, NY) and Martha GITTER (1899 - 1974, FL)
in the 1930 census and in the SSDI. According to the census, they had a son
names Herbert (b. 1925) and a daughter named Elizabeth/Elaine (b. 1911).

In the SSDI, there was only one option for this Herbert GITTER (died 1974).

I've found a family of Herbert GITTER (1925-1974) married to Deena BALLBUS,
with a son, William, and daughter, Julie - in the KITCES family website:
http://www.kitces.com, but got no answer >from the site owner to my queries.

Any help with locating the GITTERs (or with contacting the KITCES site
owner) will be much appreciated!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Viewmate VM7454- Badges in Riga ? #general

Dorothy Rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Hello, genners. I have posted a photo on
< http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html > in hopes someone will
recognize the badges worn by these gentlemen. My grandfather, Noson
AVERBUCH is sitting third >from the right and his best friend both in Europe
and the USA, Chatze GINSBURG, is standing fourth >from the right. They
married sisters in Riga.

My Latvian researcher tells me that Wulf, son of Zalman AVERBUCH was a
member of the executive commission of Riga's Department of Jewish Social
Democratic Party (Bund) in 1914. Could that be what the badges signify?

By then both Noson and Chatze were settled in the USA. Zalman was
my geat-grandather so maybe Wulf was a brother to Noson.

Please contact me privately if you recognize a face or a badge.

Thank you,

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link to this image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7454


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate VM7454- Badges in Riga ? #general

Dorothy Rivers <dotvic@...>
 

Hello, genners. I have posted a photo on
< http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html > in hopes someone will
recognize the badges worn by these gentlemen. My grandfather, Noson
AVERBUCH is sitting third >from the right and his best friend both in Europe
and the USA, Chatze GINSBURG, is standing fourth >from the right. They
married sisters in Riga.

My Latvian researcher tells me that Wulf, son of Zalman AVERBUCH was a
member of the executive commission of Riga's Department of Jewish Social
Democratic Party (Bund) in 1914. Could that be what the badges signify?

By then both Noson and Chatze were settled in the USA. Zalman was
my geat-grandather so maybe Wulf was a brother to Noson.

Please contact me privately if you recognize a face or a badge.

Thank you,

Dorothy AUERBAACH Rivers
Tucson, Arizona USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link to this image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7454


WASSERTHEIL-WATERS David, New York, NY #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

I'm trying to trace for descendants or other family members of David WATERS
(formerly: WASSERTHEIL), who lived in 1954 in: 130 West 96th st., New York,
NY.

Unfortunately, no other information is known to me about David or about his
parents/children.

I've found a person with the same name, David WASSERTHEIL, in the Brooklyn
Tech Alumni Association, in the list of 'Lost Alumni Class of 1947', but
got no response to my query to this association.

Any help will be much appreciated!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WASSERTHEIL-WATERS David, New York, NY #general

arnonh@tapuz.co.il <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

I'm trying to trace for descendants or other family members of David WATERS
(formerly: WASSERTHEIL), who lived in 1954 in: 130 West 96th st., New York,
NY.

Unfortunately, no other information is known to me about David or about his
parents/children.

I've found a person with the same name, David WASSERTHEIL, in the Brooklyn
Tech Alumni Association, in the list of 'Lost Alumni Class of 1947', but
got no response to my query to this association.

Any help will be much appreciated!

Yours Sincerely,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Reasons for not sharing trees and info #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The concept of not sharing the information I have found with my families is
completely inconceivable.

you can tell how long I have been doing this by comparing my JGFF I D #
which is 1086 with today's numbers-196XXX.

When I first starting doing family charts there wee no computers and I made
my trees with 8-1/2 14" pages scotch taped together. At every family
gathering our chart would be Scotch taped on the wall. I made 6 copies of
each page and when a member of any of my families got married I would sit
down with my pages and make a family chart and with them neatly entered in.
About 2 years one of our cousins sent me an e-mail telling me that her 10
year old son had brought one of these old charts in to class on an
immigration and family roots assignment.

He was the only one in the class to get an "A". I was completely thrilled.

Someplace, somewhere, one of our descendants is going to be doing the same.
That's why I am doing this.

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reasons for not sharing trees and info #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

The concept of not sharing the information I have found with my families is
completely inconceivable.

you can tell how long I have been doing this by comparing my JGFF I D #
which is 1086 with today's numbers-196XXX.

When I first starting doing family charts there wee no computers and I made
my trees with 8-1/2 14" pages scotch taped together. At every family
gathering our chart would be Scotch taped on the wall. I made 6 copies of
each page and when a member of any of my families got married I would sit
down with my pages and make a family chart and with them neatly entered in.
About 2 years one of our cousins sent me an e-mail telling me that her 10
year old son had brought one of these old charts in to class on an
immigration and family roots assignment.

He was the only one in the class to get an "A". I was completely thrilled.

Someplace, somewhere, one of our descendants is going to be doing the same.
That's why I am doing this.

Joe Fibel,
New Rochelle, NY


Search ViewMate archives #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

ViewMate has received over 7000 interesting images in need of some
identification. You can browse the images in the ViewMate archives at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/index.html Click "Archives"

Perhaps you will find individuals, documents or structures that are
significant to your own research.
--
Bernard Kouchel
bkouchel@jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search ViewMate archives #general

bik <kooshb9341@...>
 

ViewMate has received over 7000 interesting images in need of some
identification. You can browse the images in the ViewMate archives at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/index.html Click "Archives"

Perhaps you will find individuals, documents or structures that are
significant to your own research.
--
Bernard Kouchel
bkouchel@jewishgen.org


Polish Translation needed #poland

Javier Gueiler
 

I have posted my great great grandparents marriage act at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7447

I will appreciate if someone could translate it.
Regards,


Javier Gueiler
Rosario
Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Polish Translation needed #poland

Javier Gueiler
 

I have posted my great great grandparents marriage act at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7447

I will appreciate if someone could translate it.
Regards,


Javier Gueiler
Rosario
Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Milankowski was a blacksmith #poland

E
 

Information has come to me that the family name was Milanowski. Three
of the children were Rachel (Levine) , Sam and Fannie (my great
grandmother), aka Fraidka (Price). They livedin Lomza gubernia

The father and a brother who came here and then returned were
blacksmiths. The last brother was killed in the Shoah

Rabbi Ed Goldstein, Woodmere NY

Milanowki/MIller, Price.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: If you search the JRI-Poland database at
www.jri-poland.org for your surname, choosing Lomza Gubernia
as a geographic search area, you will find 64 results for the
surname MALINOWSKI.


JRI Poland #Poland Milankowski was a blacksmith #poland

E
 

Information has come to me that the family name was Milanowski. Three
of the children were Rachel (Levine) , Sam and Fannie (my great
grandmother), aka Fraidka (Price). They livedin Lomza gubernia

The father and a brother who came here and then returned were
blacksmiths. The last brother was killed in the Shoah

Rabbi Ed Goldstein, Woodmere NY

Milanowki/MIller, Price.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: If you search the JRI-Poland database at
www.jri-poland.org for your surname, choosing Lomza Gubernia
as a geographic search area, you will find 64 results for the
surname MALINOWSKI.


Searching relatives: SEGAL/ROSEN #lithuania

Mark Budman <budman@...>
 

Hello,

I am trying to locate some long lost relatives. I am not certain who is
still alive, but the following is the limited information that I have:

I am looking for family related to the late Alex Segal, who passed away as a
young man around the age of 28 (I believe sometime in the 1940's or even
late 30's) in California.

Alex's wife was named Jen, and, when she remarried, her last name became
Rosen. The two daughters were Roseann (who we called "Punkie") and Susan
("Suzie"). As I say, I have no idea where they are now.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Mark
--------------------------------------------------
Mark J. Budman
Researching SOLOMIN/SOLOMINAS/SEGAL
from Lithuania
budman@generation.net
-------------------------------------------------


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Searching relatives: SEGAL/ROSEN #lithuania

Mark Budman <budman@...>
 

Hello,

I am trying to locate some long lost relatives. I am not certain who is
still alive, but the following is the limited information that I have:

I am looking for family related to the late Alex Segal, who passed away as a
young man around the age of 28 (I believe sometime in the 1940's or even
late 30's) in California.

Alex's wife was named Jen, and, when she remarried, her last name became
Rosen. The two daughters were Roseann (who we called "Punkie") and Susan
("Suzie"). As I say, I have no idea where they are now.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Mark
--------------------------------------------------
Mark J. Budman
Researching SOLOMIN/SOLOMINAS/SEGAL
from Lithuania
budman@generation.net
-------------------------------------------------


Re: Thanks (Solomon-Zalman) #lithuania

Zalman <zall@...>
 

With all due respect for Prof. Esterson:
A question was if Zalman and Solomon are the same names. And the answer
is Yes. The fact that name Zalman was given to jews in Lithuania in
conjunction with other names, as pairs, is non-related.
The fact is that Zalman has derived >from Solomon/Salomon/Salman.
And the root of these names is one and the same: Shlomo.
How the name Zalman was given and to who, is a different story and not
related to the origins of this name.

Zalman Lazkovich
Toronto

Nathalie RIED of Paris posted as follows:

"Shalom to all and many thanks for your interesting answers : the
overwhelming consensus is that Zalman and Shlomo are two versions of
the
same name, but I wanted to check this out specially because I have
seen
Zalman being one of the possible variants for Meshulam in the Given
Names Database....which is quite possible too, but apparantly less
frequent!"


I do not have access to the original posting, so I am not aware of
exactly
what questions were asked. But I will address the "consensus" that
"Zalman
and Shlomo are two versions of the same name."

This statement is not correct. Shlomo is a Hebrew given name,
originally
used in the Bible for King David's son. The *Yiddish given name*
Zalman
comes >from a different language, Yiddish, and is not the same thing as
the
Hebrew name Shlomo, although there is a linkage between these two
names.

Yiddish was the new language created by Jews beginning about 1000
years=2
ago, and defined by them as "Mama Lashon" -- "Mother language". It
was
always a warm, family language used in the home, between friends, and
in
the Jewish community, different >from the Hebrew language which was
created
much earlier, about 4,000 years ago. Hebrew was and is the language
of
Jewish law, prayer, writing of contracts, and other formal usages by
Jews,
and has always been called "Lashon Kodesh" -- "the holy language".
Two
different languages, belonging to one people, one "loved" by them, the

other treated with great respect and honor.

Some male Jews in Lithuania were given the Yiddish name Zalman for use

within the family and with other Jews. These same Jews were also
given a
Hebrew name, because Jewish custom states that a Jewish man's *legal*
Jewish name consists at least of a Hebrew name, perhaps secondarily
also a
Yiddish and/or secular name. Among Jews, it became customary to
prefer
certain Yiddish names if one was given at his Brit Mila a certain
legal
Hebrew name -- some Yiddish names seemed to "go" with certain Hebrew
names.

The Hebrew names Avraham, Efrayim, Elyaqim, Meshulam, Shlomo, Shmarya,

Shneyur, and Yekusieyl were found by expert Lithuanian rabbis using
statistical studies of names, to be the ones for which the Yiddish
name
Zalman was a "favorite". Therefor, authorized by their respected
positions
as the writers of Jewish law for how Jewish names were to be defined
and
written in Gitin (Jewish divorce contracts) and other contracts, and
to be
called to an aliya in shul, they defined the Yiddish name Zalman to be
a
kinui (Jewish legal alias) of the above Hebrew names. Accordingly, in
a
Get, a man having one of these Hebrew names and also the name Zalman
must
be identified in the Get as (say) Shlomo haMechune Zalman, and he
would be
called to the Tora in an aliya as Shlomo Zalman ben Ploni (Ploni being
the
Legal Jewish given name of his father). The Hebrew word "haMechune"
means
"known as" and is one of two such legal terms used to identify the
Legal
Jewish Name of a male Jew -- the other legal term is "demitkari".

So, we see that these two names Shlomo and Zalman are not the "same
name",
but rather are linked names which together define a Jewish man's Legal

Jewish Name -- one that he usually carries with him during his whole
lifetime, and uses for the important Jewish events and contracts in
his
lifetime.

Jewish women were not called to the Tora, and therefor had no need for
a
legal Jewish name. So, it was quite common for women to be given only
a
Hebrew name, only a Yiddish name, or only a secular name (e.g.,
Augusta, a
German secular name used in Lithuania).

These Hebrew and Yiddish names can be seen by visiting the JewishGen
Given=
Names Data Base for Lithuania at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

and searching for the name "Zalman" (without the quotation marks).

Shabbat shalom,

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Discussions of onomastics on this list are published
so that researchers can understand name relationships for family history.
The question of Solomon/Zalman has been fully discussed in that light.
Please continue any scholarly debate on this issue privately.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Thanks (Solomon-Zalman) #lithuania

Zalman <zall@...>
 

With all due respect for Prof. Esterson:
A question was if Zalman and Solomon are the same names. And the answer
is Yes. The fact that name Zalman was given to jews in Lithuania in
conjunction with other names, as pairs, is non-related.
The fact is that Zalman has derived >from Solomon/Salomon/Salman.
And the root of these names is one and the same: Shlomo.
How the name Zalman was given and to who, is a different story and not
related to the origins of this name.

Zalman Lazkovich
Toronto

Nathalie RIED of Paris posted as follows:

"Shalom to all and many thanks for your interesting answers : the
overwhelming consensus is that Zalman and Shlomo are two versions of
the
same name, but I wanted to check this out specially because I have
seen
Zalman being one of the possible variants for Meshulam in the Given
Names Database....which is quite possible too, but apparantly less
frequent!"


I do not have access to the original posting, so I am not aware of
exactly
what questions were asked. But I will address the "consensus" that
"Zalman
and Shlomo are two versions of the same name."

This statement is not correct. Shlomo is a Hebrew given name,
originally
used in the Bible for King David's son. The *Yiddish given name*
Zalman
comes >from a different language, Yiddish, and is not the same thing as
the
Hebrew name Shlomo, although there is a linkage between these two
names.

Yiddish was the new language created by Jews beginning about 1000
years=2
ago, and defined by them as "Mama Lashon" -- "Mother language". It
was
always a warm, family language used in the home, between friends, and
in
the Jewish community, different >from the Hebrew language which was
created
much earlier, about 4,000 years ago. Hebrew was and is the language
of
Jewish law, prayer, writing of contracts, and other formal usages by
Jews,
and has always been called "Lashon Kodesh" -- "the holy language".
Two
different languages, belonging to one people, one "loved" by them, the

other treated with great respect and honor.

Some male Jews in Lithuania were given the Yiddish name Zalman for use

within the family and with other Jews. These same Jews were also
given a
Hebrew name, because Jewish custom states that a Jewish man's *legal*
Jewish name consists at least of a Hebrew name, perhaps secondarily
also a
Yiddish and/or secular name. Among Jews, it became customary to
prefer
certain Yiddish names if one was given at his Brit Mila a certain
legal
Hebrew name -- some Yiddish names seemed to "go" with certain Hebrew
names.

The Hebrew names Avraham, Efrayim, Elyaqim, Meshulam, Shlomo, Shmarya,

Shneyur, and Yekusieyl were found by expert Lithuanian rabbis using
statistical studies of names, to be the ones for which the Yiddish
name
Zalman was a "favorite". Therefor, authorized by their respected
positions
as the writers of Jewish law for how Jewish names were to be defined
and
written in Gitin (Jewish divorce contracts) and other contracts, and
to be
called to an aliya in shul, they defined the Yiddish name Zalman to be
a
kinui (Jewish legal alias) of the above Hebrew names. Accordingly, in
a
Get, a man having one of these Hebrew names and also the name Zalman
must
be identified in the Get as (say) Shlomo haMechune Zalman, and he
would be
called to the Tora in an aliya as Shlomo Zalman ben Ploni (Ploni being
the
Legal Jewish given name of his father). The Hebrew word "haMechune"
means
"known as" and is one of two such legal terms used to identify the
Legal
Jewish Name of a male Jew -- the other legal term is "demitkari".

So, we see that these two names Shlomo and Zalman are not the "same
name",
but rather are linked names which together define a Jewish man's Legal

Jewish Name -- one that he usually carries with him during his whole
lifetime, and uses for the important Jewish events and contracts in
his
lifetime.

Jewish women were not called to the Tora, and therefor had no need for
a
legal Jewish name. So, it was quite common for women to be given only
a
Hebrew name, only a Yiddish name, or only a secular name (e.g.,
Augusta, a
German secular name used in Lithuania).

These Hebrew and Yiddish names can be seen by visiting the JewishGen
Given=
Names Data Base for Lithuania at:

< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/ >

and searching for the name "Zalman" (without the quotation marks).

Shabbat shalom,

Professor G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Discussions of onomastics on this list are published
so that researchers can understand name relationships for family history.
The question of Solomon/Zalman has been fully discussed in that light.
Please continue any scholarly debate on this issue privately.


"Comments" column in database #lithuania

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

The following appears in the Comments column of the All-Lithuania
Revision List database:

"transferred >from Ramygala society on 19 November 1880"

I assume that this means that the family moved >from one town to
another. Does anyone know of any other meaning?

Debra Price
Plainview, NY


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania "Comments" column in database #lithuania

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

The following appears in the Comments column of the All-Lithuania
Revision List database:

"transferred >from Ramygala society on 19 November 1880"

I assume that this means that the family moved >from one town to
another. Does anyone know of any other meaning?

Debra Price
Plainview, NY