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Re: Russian Phonetics #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Since immigration officials in the US used but did not create the passenger
list, this seems highly unlikely. Passenger lists were created by the
ship's officers before or during the voyage.

"Jules Levin" <ameliede@earthlink.net> wrote

[snip]

I hate to resort to
the theory of ignorant immigration officials, but could the
pronunciation of Kloss as 'klaws' have been
misapprehended as 'klahs' and then written with 'a'?
Other ideas?
Jules Levin
Professor of Russian and Linguistics, Emeritus
UCLA, UCR


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian Phonetics #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Since immigration officials in the US used but did not create the passenger
list, this seems highly unlikely. Passenger lists were created by the
ship's officers before or during the voyage.

"Jules Levin" <ameliede@earthlink.net> wrote

[snip]

I hate to resort to
the theory of ignorant immigration officials, but could the
pronunciation of Kloss as 'klaws' have been
misapprehended as 'klahs' and then written with 'a'?
Other ideas?
Jules Levin
Professor of Russian and Linguistics, Emeritus
UCLA, UCR


Exchange of Information re FHC Films #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I agree with Roger Lustig that an exchange of information regarding FHC
films would be helpful. While JewishGen has a database that lists films,
etc. of specifically Jewish sources the notes found are identical to the
ones found at the Family Search site - at least on the one's I have checked.
Perhaps this could be a place where additional notes - such as the
information posted to our discussion by Jim Bennett re the film I had
ordered of Jewish records >from Posen (pasted below) - could be added. I
think this would be very helpful.

I am currently working on a film of Jewish records >from Elbing, West Prussia
(0742026) and it is one I would recommend to any researcher working on that
area - the records are in German and at least 70% are very legible - the
others look like chicken scratch but can be read with enough effort.

Another suggestion - while the JewishGen database includes primarily sources
that are specifically Jewish genealogy related (except for some records such
as Hamburg ship lists) - it would be helpful to possibly include basic
information about what information is available on certain types of
records - for example that NYC marriage certificates include parent's names,
including mother's name. The early birth registers >from NYC may or may not
include the child's name. This is not found in the notes at Family Search. I
had no idea what to expect when I began ordering films >from NYC. This may be
too much to do but I definitely think the "post-it" notes idea is a good one
and would like to see JewishGen consider it on the films they currently
list.

Thanks,
Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia
LEVISSOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia
OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia

I doubt the Family History Library would allow us to put
Post-It (tm) notes on the catalogue entries; but we'd do well to establish
some sort of exchange of information of the sort that you, Carolyn, are
and were looking for.
What would such a resource look like? Let's brainstorm.
Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
"It is in Hebrew script, quite tedious and
difficult to read because it is a 3rd or 4th generation of copying and
recopying, and because the original pinkas had dark, worn page margins, and
1930's era microfilming wasn't high quality.
Further, many of the names were patronymic, and even where there are family
names, they tend to be in the far left margin where they are too dark to read.
The second part of the pinkas contains very lengthy lists-- >from 1825 to
1836-- of purchase orders and/or distribution [to the needy?] of "Kimcha
d'Pischa"--flour for baking Pessach matzot to the member of the Posen
community. The same problems are present. Many patronyms, Hebrew initials
in place of family names, nicknames, etc.
It would be possible to database this rare pinkas, but only if a
high-quality copy were to be re-filmed >from the Leipzig genealogy bureau,
perhaps with some image enhancement."

Jim Bennett
Haifa
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to undertake projects that Carolyn or anyone else suggests. All
JewishGen databases were created by people who saw a need and
were willing to volunteer the time to gather the information and
put it in a suitable format. We have detailed guidelines that must
be followed if a database is eventually to reside on our site. They
can be read at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/$description.html>.
If you want to take the lead to create a new database or make a
major enhancement to an existing database, please read these
guidelines carefully and follow them. Once a project has been
approved, you can ask for volunteers to help complete it, and you
can discuss its progress in this forum.
We will consider posting further discussions of the general idea of
notes about films, but if you are interested in starting a project to
create a new resource or expand an existing one, please communicate
privately with those who have already posted, and follow the existing
guidelines >from the start.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Exchange of Information re FHC Films #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I agree with Roger Lustig that an exchange of information regarding FHC
films would be helpful. While JewishGen has a database that lists films,
etc. of specifically Jewish sources the notes found are identical to the
ones found at the Family Search site - at least on the one's I have checked.
Perhaps this could be a place where additional notes - such as the
information posted to our discussion by Jim Bennett re the film I had
ordered of Jewish records >from Posen (pasted below) - could be added. I
think this would be very helpful.

I am currently working on a film of Jewish records >from Elbing, West Prussia
(0742026) and it is one I would recommend to any researcher working on that
area - the records are in German and at least 70% are very legible - the
others look like chicken scratch but can be read with enough effort.

Another suggestion - while the JewishGen database includes primarily sources
that are specifically Jewish genealogy related (except for some records such
as Hamburg ship lists) - it would be helpful to possibly include basic
information about what information is available on certain types of
records - for example that NYC marriage certificates include parent's names,
including mother's name. The early birth registers >from NYC may or may not
include the child's name. This is not found in the notes at Family Search. I
had no idea what to expect when I began ordering films >from NYC. This may be
too much to do but I definitely think the "post-it" notes idea is a good one
and would like to see JewishGen consider it on the films they currently
list.

Thanks,
Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia
LEVISSOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia
OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG >Prussia? > Georgia

I doubt the Family History Library would allow us to put
Post-It (tm) notes on the catalogue entries; but we'd do well to establish
some sort of exchange of information of the sort that you, Carolyn, are
and were looking for.
What would such a resource look like? Let's brainstorm.
Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA
"It is in Hebrew script, quite tedious and
difficult to read because it is a 3rd or 4th generation of copying and
recopying, and because the original pinkas had dark, worn page margins, and
1930's era microfilming wasn't high quality.
Further, many of the names were patronymic, and even where there are family
names, they tend to be in the far left margin where they are too dark to read.
The second part of the pinkas contains very lengthy lists-- >from 1825 to
1836-- of purchase orders and/or distribution [to the needy?] of "Kimcha
d'Pischa"--flour for baking Pessach matzot to the member of the Posen
community. The same problems are present. Many patronyms, Hebrew initials
in place of family names, nicknames, etc.
It would be possible to database this rare pinkas, but only if a
high-quality copy were to be re-filmed >from the Leipzig genealogy bureau,
perhaps with some image enhancement."

Jim Bennett
Haifa
MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen does not have staff or resources
to undertake projects that Carolyn or anyone else suggests. All
JewishGen databases were created by people who saw a need and
were willing to volunteer the time to gather the information and
put it in a suitable format. We have detailed guidelines that must
be followed if a database is eventually to reside on our site. They
can be read at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/$description.html>.
If you want to take the lead to create a new database or make a
major enhancement to an existing database, please read these
guidelines carefully and follow them. Once a project has been
approved, you can ask for volunteers to help complete it, and you
can discuss its progress in this forum.
We will consider posting further discussions of the general idea of
notes about films, but if you are interested in starting a project to
create a new resource or expand an existing one, please communicate
privately with those who have already posted, and follow the existing
guidelines >from the start.


Looking for Memoirs, etc. for Impending Publication on Poznan Jews #poland

madeleine
 

Jacek Wiesiolowski is the head of the Poznan City Publishing House
and the chief editor of the quarterly "Kronika Miasta Poznan.". It
is considered a very fine and highly regarded magazine, published
since 1922, and dedicated to the history of the city of Poznan.

Each year one or two issues are focused fully on history. This year
professor Wiesiolowski has decided to publish an entire volume on
the Jews of Poznan.

A single volume, depending on the topic, contains as much as
250-300 pages. The articles are popular rather than highly
specialized. Among the many other articles, he would like to
publish fragments of memoirs written by Poznan Jews in various
time periods, or any other interesting materials, not otherwise
available in Poznan.

If the text is in German or English, it will be translated into
Polish, and all costs will be covered by the city of Poznan.
Dr Wiesiolowski or the city of Poznan will discuss the question
of copyrights and edition matters, when that is needed.

If you know anyone who has composed memoirs and would like to
offer parts of them to be published, or if anyone has any other
ideas of what to include in this volume, please let me know.
I will, of course, suggest looking at the books mentioned earlier
in this discussion group.

Articles must be submitted to the editorial staff before the end
of June.

Madeleine Okladek
_mokladek@aol.com_

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JRI Poland #Poland Looking for Memoirs, etc. for Impending Publication on Poznan Jews #poland

madeleine
 

Jacek Wiesiolowski is the head of the Poznan City Publishing House
and the chief editor of the quarterly "Kronika Miasta Poznan.". It
is considered a very fine and highly regarded magazine, published
since 1922, and dedicated to the history of the city of Poznan.

Each year one or two issues are focused fully on history. This year
professor Wiesiolowski has decided to publish an entire volume on
the Jews of Poznan.

A single volume, depending on the topic, contains as much as
250-300 pages. The articles are popular rather than highly
specialized. Among the many other articles, he would like to
publish fragments of memoirs written by Poznan Jews in various
time periods, or any other interesting materials, not otherwise
available in Poznan.

If the text is in German or English, it will be translated into
Polish, and all costs will be covered by the city of Poznan.
Dr Wiesiolowski or the city of Poznan will discuss the question
of copyrights and edition matters, when that is needed.

If you know anyone who has composed memoirs and would like to
offer parts of them to be published, or if anyone has any other
ideas of what to include in this volume, please let me know.
I will, of course, suggest looking at the books mentioned earlier
in this discussion group.

Articles must be submitted to the editorial staff before the end
of June.

Madeleine Okladek
_mokladek@aol.com_

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately


KAGAN (Kahan) - WALACH (Wolach) #poland

Anita Hasson <hassony@...>
 

Looking for KAGAN - WALACH (Wolach)
from UKRAINE and/or POLAND
If anyone has them in his family-tree, please send
me the details - and I shall be glad to exchange
information.

Thanks -

Anita Hasson

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JRI Poland #Poland KAGAN (Kahan) - WALACH (Wolach) #poland

Anita Hasson <hassony@...>
 

Looking for KAGAN - WALACH (Wolach)
from UKRAINE and/or POLAND
If anyone has them in his family-tree, please send
me the details - and I shall be glad to exchange
information.

Thanks -

Anita Hasson

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Maiden name of Chana Chaimovitz wife if Chain Tvi of Krekenava. #lithuania

Anita Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I am trying to search the Lithuanian Internal Passports Database but seem to
be going in circles. I have found my grandfather in several databases but
never his wife listed nor her maiden name. Is there a data base only for
Internal Passports?

Anita Fischer,
Montreal

CHAIMOVITZ, KRUGER, >from KREKENAVA PEARL, FEINBLUM, PERK, >from ANIKST,
ANNA FISCHER >from BUFFALO, NY.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Maiden name of Chana Chaimovitz wife if Chain Tvi of Krekenava. #lithuania

Anita Fischer <anitwal@...>
 

I am trying to search the Lithuanian Internal Passports Database but seem to
be going in circles. I have found my grandfather in several databases but
never his wife listed nor her maiden name. Is there a data base only for
Internal Passports?

Anita Fischer,
Montreal

CHAIMOVITZ, KRUGER, >from KREKENAVA PEARL, FEINBLUM, PERK, >from ANIKST,
ANNA FISCHER >from BUFFALO, NY.


Keidaners! Now you can ask all... #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <ozabludoff@...>
 

When the Keidan Vital Records Indexing Project went into action less than a
year ago, I received an avalanche of inquiries I was unable to answer.
Everyone wanted to know whether I had records for their grandparents,
great-grandparents and g-g-gs. No one seemed to realize that I didn't know
what I had. There was no index and translations had not yet begun.

But the questions continued. After 25 years of Keidan birth records had been
translated, I compiled a rudimentary surname index based on those translated
records. Now I was able to give the basics: how many birth records I had for
a given surname. But the questions continued, searching for more specific
information that I could not provide.

Keidaners, now you can ask again if I have your great-great-grandfather's
birth record, and I will find the answer in about three seconds. Jose
Gutstein has applied his imaginative hi-tech skills in designing the perfect
instrument for us. Forty-one years of translated birth records have just
been distributed to qualified donors in a new format which has been greeted
with "WOWs" >from recipients. By April all the birth records will be
completed--some 4,500--and translation of the marriage records will
commence.

To find out more about our dynamic Vital Records Indexing Project, please
visit the LitvakSIG VRI Project website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

and contact me privately with your questions.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI Coordinator


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Keidaners! Now you can ask all... #lithuania

Olga Zabludoff <ozabludoff@...>
 

When the Keidan Vital Records Indexing Project went into action less than a
year ago, I received an avalanche of inquiries I was unable to answer.
Everyone wanted to know whether I had records for their grandparents,
great-grandparents and g-g-gs. No one seemed to realize that I didn't know
what I had. There was no index and translations had not yet begun.

But the questions continued. After 25 years of Keidan birth records had been
translated, I compiled a rudimentary surname index based on those translated
records. Now I was able to give the basics: how many birth records I had for
a given surname. But the questions continued, searching for more specific
information that I could not provide.

Keidaners, now you can ask again if I have your great-great-grandfather's
birth record, and I will find the answer in about three seconds. Jose
Gutstein has applied his imaginative hi-tech skills in designing the perfect
instrument for us. Forty-one years of translated birth records have just
been distributed to qualified donors in a new format which has been greeted
with "WOWs" >from recipients. By April all the birth records will be
completed--some 4,500--and translation of the marriage records will
commence.

To find out more about our dynamic Vital Records Indexing Project, please
visit the LitvakSIG VRI Project website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeol99x/

and contact me privately with your questions.

Olga Zabludoff
Keidan VRI Coordinator


Re: Reference to GARF #lithuania

Gregory Engels
 

s.gilman@att.net wrote on 03.02.2006 21:20:22:

What is the reference GARF, f.7021,op84,d.14,1.12 ?
GARF is the "State Archive of the Russian Federation"
http://garf.ru

f.7021 is "fond" (collection) number 7021
(wich is "special commision for investigation
of the the german crimes on the inhabitans of USSR)
see also
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ExtraordinaryCommission.htm

op84 is "opis'" (inventory) number 84
which is Sheriaevskiy, Baltskiy, Ovidinopolskiy, and Krasno- Oknyanskiy
regions.

d.14 is "delo" (file) numeber 14

1.12 is reference inside the file

Gregory Engels, Germany

Researching ENGELSGELB, EINGELSGELB, EINGELTZGELB Minsk (BY), Hrodna (BY),
(US) ZELIKOV, ZELIKOFF, ZELICOFF, ZELIKOW Minsk(BY), Lahoysk (BY),
Osipovichi (BY), London (UK), Leeds (UK), and GORDON, GORDIN Minsk (BY),
Slaveni (BY)


Looking for information #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Reference to GARF #lithuania

Gregory Engels
 

s.gilman@att.net wrote on 03.02.2006 21:20:22:

What is the reference GARF, f.7021,op84,d.14,1.12 ?
GARF is the "State Archive of the Russian Federation"
http://garf.ru

f.7021 is "fond" (collection) number 7021
(wich is "special commision for investigation
of the the german crimes on the inhabitans of USSR)
see also
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Holocaust/ExtraordinaryCommission.htm

op84 is "opis'" (inventory) number 84
which is Sheriaevskiy, Baltskiy, Ovidinopolskiy, and Krasno- Oknyanskiy
regions.

d.14 is "delo" (file) numeber 14

1.12 is reference inside the file

Gregory Engels, Germany

Researching ENGELSGELB, EINGELSGELB, EINGELTZGELB Minsk (BY), Hrodna (BY),
(US) ZELIKOV, ZELIKOFF, ZELICOFF, ZELIKOW Minsk(BY), Lahoysk (BY),
Osipovichi (BY), London (UK), Leeds (UK), and GORDON, GORDIN Minsk (BY),
Slaveni (BY)


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Looking for information #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

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Looking for family -- Zagar District #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

I am looking for information on Tzvi Hirsh Be Sharaga Harlevi
[Levitas] >from the Zagar Distr

Regards
Eric Horwitz

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Looking for family -- Zagar District #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

I am looking for information on Tzvi Hirsh Be Sharaga Harlevi
[Levitas] >from the Zagar Distr

Regards
Eric Horwitz

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LEVINE-BERKMAN Wishey marriage #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

I am looking for information on Dianah Levine- Louis Berkman who got
married in Wishey? in 1881

Regards
Eric Horwitz

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania LEVINE-BERKMAN Wishey marriage #lithuania

Eric Horwitz <horwitzclan@...>
 

I am looking for information on Dianah Levine- Louis Berkman who got
married in Wishey? in 1881

Regards
Eric Horwitz

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