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Re: NY marriage record #general

A. E. Jordan
 

IsraelP@... writes:
LDS says they could not find the record in the specified film.
There are errors in the database, like any database. Try cross referencing if you
can going between the groom and the brides index. Try doing the search in the
other index (i.e. based on the spouse) and also try doing the search off the
certificate number and the year in the other index without filling in any names.
Sometimes that finds the error. Sometimes I have also found that even though the
index should cover the year in question the certificate only shows in either the
groom or bride's index and not both. The foibles of the computer age I am afraid.


Also sometimes if the marriage took place on the last days of December >from
one year it gets recorded in the very beginning of the next year.

If all else fails see if you can find someone who can look at the original index on
microfilm. Odds are if it shows in the Italian Gen index the certificate exists
but it somehow got mis-coded. I doubt submitting a second request to the LDS
would be any more productive unless you explain the predicament to them and see if
they would be good enough to do the look up for you based on the explanation in
the original index not the on-line index.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY marriage record #general

A. E. Jordan
 

IsraelP@... writes:
LDS says they could not find the record in the specified film.
There are errors in the database, like any database. Try cross referencing if you
can going between the groom and the brides index. Try doing the search in the
other index (i.e. based on the spouse) and also try doing the search off the
certificate number and the year in the other index without filling in any names.
Sometimes that finds the error. Sometimes I have also found that even though the
index should cover the year in question the certificate only shows in either the
groom or bride's index and not both. The foibles of the computer age I am afraid.


Also sometimes if the marriage took place on the last days of December >from
one year it gets recorded in the very beginning of the next year.

If all else fails see if you can find someone who can look at the original index on
microfilm. Odds are if it shows in the Italian Gen index the certificate exists
but it somehow got mis-coded. I doubt submitting a second request to the LDS
would be any more productive unless you explain the predicament to them and see if
they would be good enough to do the look up for you based on the explanation in
the original index not the on-line index.

Allan Jordan


bmsj.eu #austria-czech

Elaine and Art Spira <aespira@...>
 

Regarding the information contained within the BMS database of
"lahnregister", would it be violating any copyright laws to know
which specific locations are covered in the database? We could then
have an idea of whether there is any possiblity of finding something
relevant to our own research before we buy a license.

Art Spira
Researching: SPIRA, WERTHEIMER, DUERHEIM >from Trebic; MAX >from Schaffa.

MODERATOR NOTE: For a list of towns, see
http://bmsj.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=500&Itemid=18


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech bmsj.eu #austria-czech

Elaine and Art Spira <aespira@...>
 

Regarding the information contained within the BMS database of
"lahnregister", would it be violating any copyright laws to know
which specific locations are covered in the database? We could then
have an idea of whether there is any possiblity of finding something
relevant to our own research before we buy a license.

Art Spira
Researching: SPIRA, WERTHEIMER, DUERHEIM >from Trebic; MAX >from Schaffa.

MODERATOR NOTE: For a list of towns, see
http://bmsj.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=500&Itemid=18


FW: STARK AND OGRIN(sp) #unitedkingdom

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Emma M L STARK married David OHGRIN/OGRIN(sp)
in Pancras, 1912.
They had a son called Alfred born in Marylebone,
1913.

Please contact me on a1steve@... if
these names are familiar.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON,
GOLDWITZ, HIATT, HUNT, HARYUDA, CHERNOSKY, ALTERESCO


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom FW: STARK AND OGRIN(sp) #unitedkingdom

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

Emma M L STARK married David OHGRIN/OGRIN(sp)
in Pancras, 1912.
They had a son called Alfred born in Marylebone,
1913.

Please contact me on a1steve@... if
these names are familiar.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN,
DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG,
GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS,
LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF,
RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE,
TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON,
GOLDWITZ, HIATT, HUNT, HARYUDA, CHERNOSKY, ALTERESCO


Contact details for Schoner Alfred or Schoner Julia #hungary

Joe Slater <jewishgen@...>
 

I'm trying to trace some contacts that my late father Z"L made whom we
believed to be related to us. Does anyone have an email address for
Schoner Dr Alfred Joel (rector of the Jewish Theological Seminary in
Budapest) or Schoner Julia, or failing that, the email address of the
Jewish Theological Seminary itself? Please reply off-list.

Thanks,
Joe Slater


Re: wanting to learn more about little villages near Kisvarda #hungary

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

There is a Kisvards Memorial book online at
http://yizkor.nypl.org/index.php?id=2534

There are also loads others scanned there.

Gershon

Researching: Josovitz, Markovics (Isrshava, Rostoka, Vlachovo areas)



Subject: Re: wanting to learn more about little villages near Kisvarda
From: Rony Golan <golanron@...>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:14:20 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Bernard, Gabriela & (dear) Ted,

There is also the Kisvarda Yizkor Book. It was published in Israel and has
Hebrew & Hungarian materials. I can't recall but I think (not sure) that it
has an English part.

Parts of the book were translated into English as part of JG's Yizkor Book
Project:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/kisvarda/kisvarda.html

The book gives data about the villages around Kisvarda and about the
families that lived there.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Contact details for Schoner Alfred or Schoner Julia #hungary

Joe Slater <jewishgen@...>
 

I'm trying to trace some contacts that my late father Z"L made whom we
believed to be related to us. Does anyone have an email address for
Schoner Dr Alfred Joel (rector of the Jewish Theological Seminary in
Budapest) or Schoner Julia, or failing that, the email address of the
Jewish Theological Seminary itself? Please reply off-list.

Thanks,
Joe Slater


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: wanting to learn more about little villages near Kisvarda #hungary

Gershon Markowitz <gershontikunim@...>
 

There is a Kisvards Memorial book online at
http://yizkor.nypl.org/index.php?id=2534

There are also loads others scanned there.

Gershon

Researching: Josovitz, Markovics (Isrshava, Rostoka, Vlachovo areas)



Subject: Re: wanting to learn more about little villages near Kisvarda
From: Rony Golan <golanron@...>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:14:20 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Bernard, Gabriela & (dear) Ted,

There is also the Kisvarda Yizkor Book. It was published in Israel and has
Hebrew & Hungarian materials. I can't recall but I think (not sure) that it
has an English part.

Parts of the book were translated into English as part of JG's Yizkor Book
Project:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/kisvarda/kisvarda.html

The book gives data about the villages around Kisvarda and about the
families that lived there.


Fremde Lists from Neue Freie Press #austria-czech

Roger Adler
 

Dear Joyce

I was able to pull up some fremde lists for part of 1885 and most of 1886. When I am finished, I will
share them with the Sig.

Roger Adler
San Antonio, Texas


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fremde Lists from Neue Freie Press #austria-czech

Roger Adler
 

Dear Joyce

I was able to pull up some fremde lists for part of 1885 and most of 1886. When I am finished, I will
share them with the Sig.

Roger Adler
San Antonio, Texas


Re: Seeking Yair Jack POLLAK in Canada #hungary

tom
 

if you look for mr pollak on canada411.com ( http://canada411.com , use "pollak"
and the postal code listed on the p.o.t.), you will find that he is listed at
the same address in north york (which is part of toronto), and it also shows his
phone number.

the address in lefroy is about an hour north of toronto, and is probably a
cottage. mapping it with google maps ( http://google.com/maps ) would have
given you a bit of a clue. (it's on the shore of lake simcoe.)


....... tom klein, toronto


ps. i'm posting this back to the list, in case the search techniques are of
help to others.



KPeter3434@... wrote:

I've been trying to contact Yair Jack POLLAK who submitted Pages of
Testimony for his family--Gizella POLLAK nee FRITZ (1872-1944), her husband
Adolph
POLLAK and their daughter Margit (1899-1945) who married Zoltan WEISZ.
Gizella
was born in Kormend, Hungary. Her parents were Samuel FRITZ and Johanna
nee
LICHT. Johanna was the sister of my great grandmother, Maria LICHT STOSZEL.
I would very much like to contact Mr. POLLAK as we are cousins. I am sure
he is not aware of our family as my family left for the U.S. in 1891 and his
family stayed in Europe. I was able to put together the family tree linking
us through FHL vital records >from Kormend and his POTs.
The address he listed on the POT in Toronto does not seem to exist. Mr.
POLLAK is listed in the Canadian white pages in a town called Lefroy in Ontario,
however I sent him a letter and the letter was returned as "no such
address". I've called the phone number listing and the mailbox seems to be
permanently full.
If anyone out there knows Mr. POLLAK, please have him get in touch with me.
Thank you all so much!

Judy Petersen
Fort Collins, CO
KPeter3434@...

Researching: LICHT, SCHREINER, FRITZ >from Kormend, Hungary

Moderator: Please contact Judy off-list if you can help.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Seeking Yair Jack POLLAK in Canada #hungary

tom
 

if you look for mr pollak on canada411.com ( http://canada411.com , use "pollak"
and the postal code listed on the p.o.t.), you will find that he is listed at
the same address in north york (which is part of toronto), and it also shows his
phone number.

the address in lefroy is about an hour north of toronto, and is probably a
cottage. mapping it with google maps ( http://google.com/maps ) would have
given you a bit of a clue. (it's on the shore of lake simcoe.)


....... tom klein, toronto


ps. i'm posting this back to the list, in case the search techniques are of
help to others.



KPeter3434@... wrote:

I've been trying to contact Yair Jack POLLAK who submitted Pages of
Testimony for his family--Gizella POLLAK nee FRITZ (1872-1944), her husband
Adolph
POLLAK and their daughter Margit (1899-1945) who married Zoltan WEISZ.
Gizella
was born in Kormend, Hungary. Her parents were Samuel FRITZ and Johanna
nee
LICHT. Johanna was the sister of my great grandmother, Maria LICHT STOSZEL.
I would very much like to contact Mr. POLLAK as we are cousins. I am sure
he is not aware of our family as my family left for the U.S. in 1891 and his
family stayed in Europe. I was able to put together the family tree linking
us through FHL vital records >from Kormend and his POTs.
The address he listed on the POT in Toronto does not seem to exist. Mr.
POLLAK is listed in the Canadian white pages in a town called Lefroy in Ontario,
however I sent him a letter and the letter was returned as "no such
address". I've called the phone number listing and the mailbox seems to be
permanently full.
If anyone out there knows Mr. POLLAK, please have him get in touch with me.
Thank you all so much!

Judy Petersen
Fort Collins, CO
KPeter3434@...

Researching: LICHT, SCHREINER, FRITZ >from Kormend, Hungary

Moderator: Please contact Judy off-list if you can help.


Soap Factory in Berlin [SCHLESINGER & KOCHMANN families] #germany

Judith Elam
 

Does anyone know about a soap factory in Berlin that was owned by the
SCHLESINGER & KOCHMANN families?

Please contact direct at elamj@...

Judith E. Elam Hawaii, USA

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German SIG #Germany Soap Factory in Berlin [SCHLESINGER & KOCHMANN families] #germany

Judith Elam
 

Does anyone know about a soap factory in Berlin that was owned by the
SCHLESINGER & KOCHMANN families?

Please contact direct at elamj@...

Judith E. Elam Hawaii, USA

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NALDEX needs microfilms. Do you know of any? [VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITY] #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear friends:

GerSIG's Name Adoption List inDEX project (NALDEX) is trying to use
original documents--or images of them--wherever possible. To that end,
I'm currently attempting to identify all the surname-adoption lists out
there. LDS microfilms contain a wealth of these original lists,
especially for western and southwestern Germany.

Lars Menk's _A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames_ includes a list of
German localities that had a Jewish population in the 19th Century. About
7,000 places are represented there. About 700 of those are covered by
the 1812 Prussian surname-adoption lists. Another 1,400 or so are >from
those areas, but didn't have any Jews there when surnames were adopted.
For another 100 or so, we know that there was no published list for the
area in question. That amounts to about 30% of the localities.

Things are more difficult for the rest of Germany. Surname-adoption
occurred over time, often happening first during the Napoleonic
period--1808-1813, say--and continuing until the state in question
(which had often rolled back the Napoleonic requirements) decreed that
all Jews would have to adopt a surname. So, for example, there is a
list for Koblenz (in the Prussian Rhine Province) >from 1808, and then
the published list of 1846. There may be other documents as well.

So here's my question of the day: have you used any of the films that
contain surname-adoption lists? If so:

--Which ones have you used?

--Which jurisdictions and towns are covered by the films?
(The descriptions in the LDS catalog are heavy on "etc.")

--What information is given? Some lists give only the head of
household's old and new names and place of residence. Others give
occupation, age, legal status, etc. Some list family members as well,
and sometimes age or even date of birth is given for each person.

--What format is used? Is the information in a table, or is each "act"
written out in Napoleonic style--one long sentence?

--About how many heads of household are represented? (Very rough
estimates will do.)

I've been working with film 1335359 recently. The FHL catalog states:
"Register of Jewish name assignments for Mannheim, Baden, Germany.
Includes Schwetzingen, Heidelberg, Bretten, Waibstatt, Mosbach,
Gochsheim, etc." That's not a bad description, in that the two cities
(Mannheim and Heidelberg) and six Oberaemter (Schwetzingen, Heidelberg,
Bretten, Waibstatt, Mosbach, Gochsheim) covered on the film are all
mentioned. (An Oberamt was something like a county.)

But it doesn't tell us which towns are covered. I won't list all 80 of
them here. Even so, you can imagine that it's nice to know what to
expect, and what needs to be sought elsewhere.

Here are some other films I know about. All of them are >from Napoleonic
times and, unless noted, in the Rhineland:

1183640: Albersweiler (Pfalz), etc.
1190930: Trier & surroundings
1190966: Dueren
1190970: Kirn
1190993: Bornheim
1271217: Mainz
1271265 and 1334543: Koblenz, Bonn, etc.
1334572: Homburg (Pfalz), Juelich, Stolberg
1334573: Zweibruecken (Pfalz)
1334577: Drove
1335027: Worms
1335350: Karlsruhe, Gailingen, Nussloch (all Baden)
1457688: Niederwiesen
2349595: Bonn

Again: do you know what's on these films? And do you know of other
films with surname-adoption lists? Very often the description in the
FHL catalog doesn't mention all the types of records either, so a
surname list among birth and death records could go unmentioned.

Thanks to all who can contribute any information.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG


German SIG #Germany NALDEX needs microfilms. Do you know of any? [VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITY] #germany

Roger Lustig
 

Dear friends:

GerSIG's Name Adoption List inDEX project (NALDEX) is trying to use
original documents--or images of them--wherever possible. To that end,
I'm currently attempting to identify all the surname-adoption lists out
there. LDS microfilms contain a wealth of these original lists,
especially for western and southwestern Germany.

Lars Menk's _A Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames_ includes a list of
German localities that had a Jewish population in the 19th Century. About
7,000 places are represented there. About 700 of those are covered by
the 1812 Prussian surname-adoption lists. Another 1,400 or so are >from
those areas, but didn't have any Jews there when surnames were adopted.
For another 100 or so, we know that there was no published list for the
area in question. That amounts to about 30% of the localities.

Things are more difficult for the rest of Germany. Surname-adoption
occurred over time, often happening first during the Napoleonic
period--1808-1813, say--and continuing until the state in question
(which had often rolled back the Napoleonic requirements) decreed that
all Jews would have to adopt a surname. So, for example, there is a
list for Koblenz (in the Prussian Rhine Province) >from 1808, and then
the published list of 1846. There may be other documents as well.

So here's my question of the day: have you used any of the films that
contain surname-adoption lists? If so:

--Which ones have you used?

--Which jurisdictions and towns are covered by the films?
(The descriptions in the LDS catalog are heavy on "etc.")

--What information is given? Some lists give only the head of
household's old and new names and place of residence. Others give
occupation, age, legal status, etc. Some list family members as well,
and sometimes age or even date of birth is given for each person.

--What format is used? Is the information in a table, or is each "act"
written out in Napoleonic style--one long sentence?

--About how many heads of household are represented? (Very rough
estimates will do.)

I've been working with film 1335359 recently. The FHL catalog states:
"Register of Jewish name assignments for Mannheim, Baden, Germany.
Includes Schwetzingen, Heidelberg, Bretten, Waibstatt, Mosbach,
Gochsheim, etc." That's not a bad description, in that the two cities
(Mannheim and Heidelberg) and six Oberaemter (Schwetzingen, Heidelberg,
Bretten, Waibstatt, Mosbach, Gochsheim) covered on the film are all
mentioned. (An Oberamt was something like a county.)

But it doesn't tell us which towns are covered. I won't list all 80 of
them here. Even so, you can imagine that it's nice to know what to
expect, and what needs to be sought elsewhere.

Here are some other films I know about. All of them are >from Napoleonic
times and, unless noted, in the Rhineland:

1183640: Albersweiler (Pfalz), etc.
1190930: Trier & surroundings
1190966: Dueren
1190970: Kirn
1190993: Bornheim
1271217: Mainz
1271265 and 1334543: Koblenz, Bonn, etc.
1334572: Homburg (Pfalz), Juelich, Stolberg
1334573: Zweibruecken (Pfalz)
1334577: Drove
1335027: Worms
1335350: Karlsruhe, Gailingen, Nussloch (all Baden)
1457688: Niederwiesen
2349595: Bonn

Again: do you know what's on these films? And do you know of other
films with surname-adoption lists? Very often the description in the
FHL catalog doesn't mention all the types of records either, so a
surname list among birth and death records could go unmentioned.

Thanks to all who can contribute any information.

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG


Fw: Where can I find polish towns #lithuania

dennis gelpe <dgelpe@...>
 

I use LIVAKSIG for research on my parent's family, but was asked by my
wife to help her with her Polish ancestry. I'm looking for the town so
PSHERN and JAKKOW. I know this isn't Litvak stuff, but can anyone direct
me to the proper address for this query?

Thanks
Dennis Gelpe

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fw: Where can I find polish towns #lithuania

dennis gelpe <dgelpe@...>
 

I use LIVAKSIG for research on my parent's family, but was asked by my
wife to help her with her Polish ancestry. I'm looking for the town so
PSHERN and JAKKOW. I know this isn't Litvak stuff, but can anyone direct
me to the proper address for this query?

Thanks
Dennis Gelpe

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