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Drowning - how common - Death record - INGBERG #germany

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Hello members!

I am happy to see that my post of a death record for my Uncle
Joseph INGBERG has generated such interest (VeiwMate 22157)!

The story behind this record is thus (as told to me by my mother years
ago): Joseph was an excellent swimmer. He was >from Minden, but was living
in Hannover at the time studying a trade. He and a friend went swimming
(according to the record, in the River Ihme). Joseph got his leg or foot
caught in something and was unable to get himself free. His friend must
have tried to help, but was unsuccessful in saving Joseph.

The document I posted regarding Joseph INGBERG seems to indicate that
he was found dead on 24 July 1928, but his tombstone in the Jewish
Cemetery Minden indicates his death as 18 July 1928. The record goes
on to indicate that the deceased was last seen alive at 8:00 on 21
July. Clearly, the family had the body to bury and I would think
would have put the correct date of death on the tombstone. Does
anyone have any idea as to why the dates between the tombstone and
death record do not match? Or, am I reading the information on the
record incorrectly?

I am very intrigued by Ralph Baer's recent post stating "I have found a
half dozen death records of relatives who died in rivers in Germany
including a husband and wife who drowned in the Neckar 24 years apart
(1822 and 1846)." I was unfamiliar with any drownings other than that
of my Uncle and am surprised that one family would have so many
incidents of drowning. [*See Mod Note below]

There are certainly many rivers in Germany and it seems strange to me
that there would be so many drownings in one family. If anyone has any
knowledge of frequency of these incidents, I would be curious to know.

Thanks in advance for your comments and interest!

Elizabeth Jackson, Muskegon MI USA

MODERATOR NOTE: A review of Ralph Baer's GerSIG messages will show the
enormous extent of his research. The SIG message archives are at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop
In view of the very large number of ancestors (and their death records)
found by Mr. Baer, perhaps 6 deaths by drowning is not so unusual.


German SIG #Germany Drowning - how common - Death record - INGBERG #germany

Elizabeth Jackson
 

Hello members!

I am happy to see that my post of a death record for my Uncle
Joseph INGBERG has generated such interest (VeiwMate 22157)!

The story behind this record is thus (as told to me by my mother years
ago): Joseph was an excellent swimmer. He was >from Minden, but was living
in Hannover at the time studying a trade. He and a friend went swimming
(according to the record, in the River Ihme). Joseph got his leg or foot
caught in something and was unable to get himself free. His friend must
have tried to help, but was unsuccessful in saving Joseph.

The document I posted regarding Joseph INGBERG seems to indicate that
he was found dead on 24 July 1928, but his tombstone in the Jewish
Cemetery Minden indicates his death as 18 July 1928. The record goes
on to indicate that the deceased was last seen alive at 8:00 on 21
July. Clearly, the family had the body to bury and I would think
would have put the correct date of death on the tombstone. Does
anyone have any idea as to why the dates between the tombstone and
death record do not match? Or, am I reading the information on the
record incorrectly?

I am very intrigued by Ralph Baer's recent post stating "I have found a
half dozen death records of relatives who died in rivers in Germany
including a husband and wife who drowned in the Neckar 24 years apart
(1822 and 1846)." I was unfamiliar with any drownings other than that
of my Uncle and am surprised that one family would have so many
incidents of drowning. [*See Mod Note below]

There are certainly many rivers in Germany and it seems strange to me
that there would be so many drownings in one family. If anyone has any
knowledge of frequency of these incidents, I would be curious to know.

Thanks in advance for your comments and interest!

Elizabeth Jackson, Muskegon MI USA

MODERATOR NOTE: A review of Ralph Baer's GerSIG messages will show the
enormous extent of his research. The SIG message archives are at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop
In view of the very large number of ancestors (and their death records)
found by Mr. Baer, perhaps 6 deaths by drowning is not so unusual.


If any of your relatives immigrated to Brazil (or even visited there)... #germany

Renee Steinig
 

The FamilySearch website now has over 400,000 searchable images of
Brazil Immigration Cards, 1900-1965.

These cards were issued by Brazilian consulates in countries of
origin, granting permission for travelers (visitors as well as
immigrants) to enter Brazil.

Each card includes a photo and this information: name, date and place
of birth, nationality, place of residence, marital status, parents'
names, occupation, names of children under 18 traveling with the
immigrant, passport number and county, and location of the consulate
where the card were issued.

A longer description of the cards is at

<https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Brazil_Immigration_Records_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records)>

and they can be searched at

<https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1932363>
(or tinyurl.com/Brazil-immcards ).

Renee Stern Steinig, Dix Hills, New York, USA genmaven@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany If any of your relatives immigrated to Brazil (or even visited there)... #germany

Renee Steinig
 

The FamilySearch website now has over 400,000 searchable images of
Brazil Immigration Cards, 1900-1965.

These cards were issued by Brazilian consulates in countries of
origin, granting permission for travelers (visitors as well as
immigrants) to enter Brazil.

Each card includes a photo and this information: name, date and place
of birth, nationality, place of residence, marital status, parents'
names, occupation, names of children under 18 traveling with the
immigrant, passport number and county, and location of the consulate
where the card were issued.

A longer description of the cards is at

<https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Brazil_Immigration_Records_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records)>

and they can be searched at

<https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://www.familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1932363>
(or tinyurl.com/Brazil-immcards ).

Renee Stern Steinig, Dix Hills, New York, USA genmaven@gmail.com


Updated IAJGS Legislative Alert--Includes Information on SSDI, Kentucky, Maine and Virginia #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

An updated IAJGS Legislative Alert has been posted to the IAJGS website:
www.iajgs.org and click on left hand green button "Legislation" then on
latest alert.

The alert contains information on the IAJGS statement for the record for the
US Senate Finance Committee Subcommittee on Fiscal Responsibility and
Economic Growth regarding our position on maintaining public access to the
Social Security Death Index (SSDI). On page one go to the first topic under
the "red box " entitled: Genealogical Community Under Attack: Potential Loss
of Access to Social Security Death Index (SSDI). There is also information
regarding the membership of the Subcommittee.

The genealogical community leadership as represented by the Records
Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC) of which IAJGS is one of the voting
members--along with FGS and NGS, decided that it was time to be pragmatic
and start negotiating. We know >from the House Subcommittee hearing on
February 2nd that they and the Administration wanted no public access or as
Social Security Administrator Astrue said in his House testimony
genealogists could wait 75 years...while Senator Nelson's bill had a two
year wait (the year of death and the following year when people submit their
tax returns). This is a much more reasonable approach even though we
strongly believe there should be immediate public access-and genealogists
are not the cause of identity theft. It is obvious that the identity theft
issue makes good politics in an election year, and we-the genealogical
leadership--FGS, IAJGS and NGS decided after much consultation between
ourselves and talking with others that we would support the 2 year
compromise with the caveat that certain genealogists would be eligible for
certification for immediate access- such as forensic genealogists, heir
researchers etc. The RPAC statement on this position is posted at
www.fgs.org/rpac.

Other updates in this Legislative Alert dated March 28 include updates on
legislation that have been signed into law for Maine (LD 1627) regarding
marriage applications, and Virginia (SB660) reducing the wait period for
marriage, divorce and death records and more, and amended legislation still
in committee, Kentucky SB 54 regarding access to records and establishing a
waiting period of 70 years for marriage records. For these updates scroll
down to the state alphabetically in the report.

As we learn more about the SSDI issue, and as other legislative actions are
taken on access to vital records the legislative alert will be updated and
reported on this forum.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Updated IAJGS Legislative Alert--Includes Information on SSDI, Kentucky, Maine and Virginia #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

An updated IAJGS Legislative Alert has been posted to the IAJGS website:
www.iajgs.org and click on left hand green button "Legislation" then on
latest alert.

The alert contains information on the IAJGS statement for the record for the
US Senate Finance Committee Subcommittee on Fiscal Responsibility and
Economic Growth regarding our position on maintaining public access to the
Social Security Death Index (SSDI). On page one go to the first topic under
the "red box " entitled: Genealogical Community Under Attack: Potential Loss
of Access to Social Security Death Index (SSDI). There is also information
regarding the membership of the Subcommittee.

The genealogical community leadership as represented by the Records
Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC) of which IAJGS is one of the voting
members--along with FGS and NGS, decided that it was time to be pragmatic
and start negotiating. We know >from the House Subcommittee hearing on
February 2nd that they and the Administration wanted no public access or as
Social Security Administrator Astrue said in his House testimony
genealogists could wait 75 years...while Senator Nelson's bill had a two
year wait (the year of death and the following year when people submit their
tax returns). This is a much more reasonable approach even though we
strongly believe there should be immediate public access-and genealogists
are not the cause of identity theft. It is obvious that the identity theft
issue makes good politics in an election year, and we-the genealogical
leadership--FGS, IAJGS and NGS decided after much consultation between
ourselves and talking with others that we would support the 2 year
compromise with the caveat that certain genealogists would be eligible for
certification for immediate access- such as forensic genealogists, heir
researchers etc. The RPAC statement on this position is posted at
www.fgs.org/rpac.

Other updates in this Legislative Alert dated March 28 include updates on
legislation that have been signed into law for Maine (LD 1627) regarding
marriage applications, and Virginia (SB660) reducing the wait period for
marriage, divorce and death records and more, and amended legislation still
in committee, Kentucky SB 54 regarding access to records and establishing a
waiting period of 70 years for marriage records. For these updates scroll
down to the state alphabetically in the report.

As we learn more about the SSDI issue, and as other legislative actions are
taken on access to vital records the legislative alert will be updated and
reported on this forum.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Teofipol pogrom #ukraine

rondoctor@...
 

Marilyn, do a Google search using the search term, Teofipol pogrom.
You'll get a fairly large set of results.

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@gmail.com)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets
and KAZDOY (KOSODOY), DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa

On 26-Mar-12 5:48 PM, Wallachlevinson@aol.com wrote:
My cousin Leib soifer >from Teofipol Russia was killed by cossacks in a
pogrom in that town, but fortunately his wife and children were able
to survive and immigrate to the US. No surviving family member is
able to give me a date for this pogrom. Based on the metric
information I have I believe the pogrom took place between 1895-1909.
If any one has any information on this pogrom or could direct me to
research sources I would be greatly appreciative.

Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC

Searching SOFFER SOIFER Teofipol
JANOWSKI JANOW shepetivka and ekaterinoslav
FIXLER hotin moldova
WALLACH Lipkany moldova


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Teofipol pogrom #ukraine

rondoctor@...
 

Marilyn, do a Google search using the search term, Teofipol pogrom.
You'll get a fairly large set of results.

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@gmail.com)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets
and KAZDOY (KOSODOY), DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa

On 26-Mar-12 5:48 PM, Wallachlevinson@aol.com wrote:
My cousin Leib soifer >from Teofipol Russia was killed by cossacks in a
pogrom in that town, but fortunately his wife and children were able
to survive and immigrate to the US. No surviving family member is
able to give me a date for this pogrom. Based on the metric
information I have I believe the pogrom took place between 1895-1909.
If any one has any information on this pogrom or could direct me to
research sources I would be greatly appreciative.

Marilyn Levinson
Spring Lake NC

Searching SOFFER SOIFER Teofipol
JANOWSKI JANOW shepetivka and ekaterinoslav
FIXLER hotin moldova
WALLACH Lipkany moldova


The Belgian State Archives #france

lehrer
 

Hello,

Read about the Belgian State Archives the way I see it on my blog:
*An introduction to the Belgian Statearchives and its immigration files
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2011/08/an-introduction-to-the-belgian-s=
tatearchives-and-its-immigration-files/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/cnsotnv]
*The State Archives in Belgium: Getting there
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2011/09/the-state-archives-in-belgium-ge=
tting-there/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/czo3b6x]
*Preparing your research at the Belgian State Archives
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2012/03/preparing-your-research-at-the-b=
elgian-state-archives/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/cees44u]

Best Regards,

Gershon Lehrer
gershon.lehrer@gmail.com
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
KALLECH, LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS,
SCENIZER, SCHEEN, SJENITZER,SCH(=F6)(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN


French SIG #France The Belgian State Archives #france

lehrer
 

Hello,

Read about the Belgian State Archives the way I see it on my blog:
*An introduction to the Belgian Statearchives and its immigration files
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2011/08/an-introduction-to-the-belgian-s=
tatearchives-and-its-immigration-files/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/cnsotnv]
*The State Archives in Belgium: Getting there
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2011/09/the-state-archives-in-belgium-ge=
tting-there/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/czo3b6x]
*Preparing your research at the Belgian State Archives
<http://www.gershon-lehrer.be/blog/2012/03/preparing-your-research-at-the-b=
elgian-state-archives/>
[or http://tinyurl.com/cees44u]

Best Regards,

Gershon Lehrer
gershon.lehrer@gmail.com
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
KALLECH, LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS,
SCENIZER, SCHEEN, SJENITZER,SCH(=F6)(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN


information in US census records #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

Harvey Kabaker writes, "When browsing early 20th century US Census lists,
I have noticed entire blocks, or an entire apartment building, whose
residents were born in Poland - Russia, Poland (Russ), or similar wording."

I would add, however, that US census listings can be somewhat unreliable.
My mother's family came >from Belarus ("White Russia"), which I believe was
part of the Russian Empire and not part of Poland while they lived there or
later. Yet some of the census records list them as having been born in
Poland. The names (first and last) also vary in spelling >from census to
census. So while the census can give important information, it should
not be looked at as the last word.

All best,
Meri-Jane

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Professor and Associate Chairperson
Department of English
Florida International University
North Miami, FL 33181
rochelso@fiu.edu


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania information in US census records #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

Harvey Kabaker writes, "When browsing early 20th century US Census lists,
I have noticed entire blocks, or an entire apartment building, whose
residents were born in Poland - Russia, Poland (Russ), or similar wording."

I would add, however, that US census listings can be somewhat unreliable.
My mother's family came >from Belarus ("White Russia"), which I believe was
part of the Russian Empire and not part of Poland while they lived there or
later. Yet some of the census records list them as having been born in
Poland. The names (first and last) also vary in spelling >from census to
census. So while the census can give important information, it should
not be looked at as the last word.

All best,
Meri-Jane

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Professor and Associate Chairperson
Department of English
Florida International University
North Miami, FL 33181
rochelso@fiu.edu


Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation #lithuania

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Landsleyt with family >from Jonava (Yaneve), Lithuania,

I am writing to ask you to please consider a donation to our project
to translate the Jonava Yizkor Book into English >from Hebrew and Yiddish.

You may want to share the translation so far and the photos with your
families during Pesach. Perhaps you know a family member who would also
consider a donation.

You will see >from visiting the translation at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/jonava/jonava.html how much progress
we have made.

To see the original text and the numerous photos, go to
http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/jws/yizkorbooksall.cfm You can have
part of your screen open to the translation of the text and photo captions
and part open to the NYPL site with the digitized photos. In fact, if you
recognize someone in a photo who is not identified or not fully identified
in the translation, please contact me.

Please give whatever you can. You may do so online at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=23
and select Jonava.

Please let me know the amount you have kindly given so that I can
thank you and so that I can tell our translator that we have a specific
amount more to fund his work.

Thank you to those who have written to tell me you have found your
family in the Yizkor Book. It is exciting for me as well as for you.

Best Regards,
Susan Goldsmith
Coordinator,Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation

Researching GOLDSHMIDT, GITES (GADIE) Seta, Jonava, Keidainiai, Kaunas,
Adutiskes, Ukmerge; F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH all Lithuania


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation #lithuania

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Landsleyt with family >from Jonava (Yaneve), Lithuania,

I am writing to ask you to please consider a donation to our project
to translate the Jonava Yizkor Book into English >from Hebrew and Yiddish.

You may want to share the translation so far and the photos with your
families during Pesach. Perhaps you know a family member who would also
consider a donation.

You will see >from visiting the translation at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/jonava/jonava.html how much progress
we have made.

To see the original text and the numerous photos, go to
http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/jws/yizkorbooksall.cfm You can have
part of your screen open to the translation of the text and photo captions
and part open to the NYPL site with the digitized photos. In fact, if you
recognize someone in a photo who is not identified or not fully identified
in the translation, please contact me.

Please give whatever you can. You may do so online at
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=23
and select Jonava.

Please let me know the amount you have kindly given so that I can
thank you and so that I can tell our translator that we have a specific
amount more to fund his work.

Thank you to those who have written to tell me you have found your
family in the Yizkor Book. It is exciting for me as well as for you.

Best Regards,
Susan Goldsmith
Coordinator,Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation

Researching GOLDSHMIDT, GITES (GADIE) Seta, Jonava, Keidainiai, Kaunas,
Adutiskes, Ukmerge; F(P)ILVINSKY, SHLIOMOVICH all Lithuania


Vandziogala Vital Records now added to our site. #lithuania

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

Dear Litvak Researchers,

If you are researching VANDZIOGALA all the available records have now been
added to our site http://kaunas.shutterfly.com.

To see these records you need to be part of our group.

These records have been made available to us along with records of KRAKES
through the kind generosity of Ada Green. On behalf of all of our group I
would like to thank Ada.

In appreciation,

Ralph Salinger
Coordinator Kaunas District Research Group.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Vandziogala Vital Records now added to our site. #lithuania

ralph <Salinger@...>
 

Dear Litvak Researchers,

If you are researching VANDZIOGALA all the available records have now been
added to our site http://kaunas.shutterfly.com.

To see these records you need to be part of our group.

These records have been made available to us along with records of KRAKES
through the kind generosity of Ada Green. On behalf of all of our group I
would like to thank Ada.

In appreciation,

Ralph Salinger
Coordinator Kaunas District Research Group.


Viewmate #poland

Brian Lehman <blrrcn@...>
 

Hello,
I added two files to Jewishgen viewmate and requesting a translation.
They are a birth and death record >from Czortkow.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22185
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22197

Thank you for any assistance offered.
Take care,
Brian Lehman

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


JRI Poland #Poland Viewmate #poland

Brian Lehman <blrrcn@...>
 

Hello,
I added two files to Jewishgen viewmate and requesting a translation.
They are a birth and death record >from Czortkow.
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22185
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=22197

Thank you for any assistance offered.
Take care,
Brian Lehman

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately or on the Viewmate form.


The United Nations Holocaust Programme partners with the State of Israel to observe the 50th Anniversary of The Eichmann Trial #galicia

Tony Hausner
 

The United Nations is sponsoring programs in New York on April 19th
and 23rd to observe the 50th anniversary of the Eichmann trial. For
details, please see:

http://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/2012/Eichmann_events.shtml

For those in the New York area, I encourage you to attend.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD
thausner@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The United Nations Holocaust Programme partners with the State of Israel to observe the 50th Anniversary of The Eichmann Trial #galicia

Tony Hausner
 

The United Nations is sponsoring programs in New York on April 19th
and 23rd to observe the 50th anniversary of the Eichmann trial. For
details, please see:

http://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/2012/Eichmann_events.shtml

For those in the New York area, I encourage you to attend.

Tony Hausner
Silver Spring, MD
thausner@gmail.com

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