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Another Addition to Feldser Story #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz
 

One of the things which researchers may neglect to look at when expanding
their family tree is how and where their families lived and where they
moved to. I have mentioned the moves of the Feldser family >from the tiny
Vienna, Georgia, to the larger Atlanta, Georgia, and Birmingham, Alabama.
However, the families they married into also did the same types of moves
from the smaller towns to the larger to enable their children a better
education and social amenities.

In one of the references to Max Feldser's granddaughter Jill, which
appeared in the "Southern Israelite", it mentioned she married Sam Filler,
who was >from South Dakota. Intrigued by this mention of a South Dakota Jew,
I found that his parents, Jossel Filler and his pregnant wife Riwke
arrived in New York on the Moskova, on May 31, 1907, >from Bendery, Russia
(now Tighina, Moldova).

Knowing that many Jews were sent away >from the crowded large cities on the
east coast of America to outlying small towns across the country by the
organization known as the Industrial Removal Office, I decided to find out
if Joe Filler was one of these. I looked at their online database,
http://www.cjh.org/p/61 and, sure enough, on August 13, 1907, the
Industrial Removal Office sent Joe (formerly Jossel), his wife Rifka
(Rebecca) and their month old son Isidor, who was born in New York on
July 17, 1907, to Ashley, North Dakota. Whereupon, they then moved to
Rosenthal, North Dakota Whilst there, they had two more children, Harry
and Fanny, and then moved yet again to Hosmer, South Dakota, where their
youngest child Sam was born in 1921.

In 1923, Joe's wife Rebecca passed away and by 1928, the family was living
in San Antonio, TX, where Joe took a second wife, Mrs.Mary Z. Cohen. The
announcement of their marriage was found in the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice
newspaper. Checking out the plethora of local and Jewish newspapers and also
the City Directories which are now available online is another strategic
means of learning more about your family history. Eventually, Joe passed
away and Mary lived with step-son Sam until she passed away in 1958 in
San Antonio. Apparently, Sam then went to Atlanta, Georgia, where several
of his brothers were now living and it was there that he married into the
Feldser family.

Quite a saga for the Filler family as they moved >from New York City to
North and South Dakota then Texas then Georgia, but emblematic of the
travels of many Jewish families as they sought to set down roots first in
small town America and give their children a better life than that which
they had experienced in Europe.
Ann Rabinowitz

annrab@...


Fw: Where in Russia was Ida MANOWITZ born? #ukraine

Pat Hamilton
 

Please help my family research by trying to read the name given by her husband Nathan CHORNEY in 1920 in Philadelphia, PA, USA when he applied for naturalisation.

I have posted the relevant section of this document to Viewmate. Number 25259.

Is it possible to look at marriage licenses, such as theirs? Might it give additional information?

Nathan CHORNEY was the brother of my grandfather Lionel BLACK. They were sons of Tsal Tcherny (>from Lionel's name - Levi-Itzkhok Tsalevich TCHERNY) and born in Belaya Tserkov in Kiev Gubernia.

Nathan reached USA on the 'Amerika' in 1913, via Hamburg, aged 19 (b 1893) but I cannot read what he gave as his father's name, so will post that too, but it does not look like Tsal or Saul.

In 1947 when Nathan Chorney applied for a US Social Security number he gave his parents' names as Charles Chorney and Esther BRODY.

He named his daughter Esther in 1931 - did he know (or assume) that his mother was dead? We have no proof that his mother was an Esther BRODY. (She would be my great-grandmother). Where was she from?
Lionel was much older, born 1885 - so were there siblings in between? Lionel came to London, England in 1912 with wife and two sons.


They each translated their surname in different ways: Nathan CHORNEY in USA, and Lionel BLACK in London, England.

Although these brothers did not give the same name for their father on the few documents we can find - they did both say they came >from the same town, now in Ukraine.

I really would like to know who their parents were, when married, and how many children they had. Any help would be much appreciated.

Pat Hamilton (Black)

CHORNY, Belaya Tserkov;   DIVINSKY Vasil'kov,  MANOWITZ, ?  Russsia,

 LANDESBERG m GINSBURG, Minsk

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct url is
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Another Addition to Feldser Story #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz
 

One of the things which researchers may neglect to look at when expanding
their family tree is how and where their families lived and where they
moved to. I have mentioned the moves of the Feldser family >from the tiny
Vienna, Georgia, to the larger Atlanta, Georgia, and Birmingham, Alabama.
However, the families they married into also did the same types of moves
from the smaller towns to the larger to enable their children a better
education and social amenities.

In one of the references to Max Feldser's granddaughter Jill, which
appeared in the "Southern Israelite", it mentioned she married Sam Filler,
who was >from South Dakota. Intrigued by this mention of a South Dakota Jew,
I found that his parents, Jossel Filler and his pregnant wife Riwke
arrived in New York on the Moskova, on May 31, 1907, >from Bendery, Russia
(now Tighina, Moldova).

Knowing that many Jews were sent away >from the crowded large cities on the
east coast of America to outlying small towns across the country by the
organization known as the Industrial Removal Office, I decided to find out
if Joe Filler was one of these. I looked at their online database,
http://www.cjh.org/p/61 and, sure enough, on August 13, 1907, the
Industrial Removal Office sent Joe (formerly Jossel), his wife Rifka
(Rebecca) and their month old son Isidor, who was born in New York on
July 17, 1907, to Ashley, North Dakota. Whereupon, they then moved to
Rosenthal, North Dakota Whilst there, they had two more children, Harry
and Fanny, and then moved yet again to Hosmer, South Dakota, where their
youngest child Sam was born in 1921.

In 1923, Joe's wife Rebecca passed away and by 1928, the family was living
in San Antonio, TX, where Joe took a second wife, Mrs.Mary Z. Cohen. The
announcement of their marriage was found in the Houston Jewish Herald-Voice
newspaper. Checking out the plethora of local and Jewish newspapers and also
the City Directories which are now available online is another strategic
means of learning more about your family history. Eventually, Joe passed
away and Mary lived with step-son Sam until she passed away in 1958 in
San Antonio. Apparently, Sam then went to Atlanta, Georgia, where several
of his brothers were now living and it was there that he married into the
Feldser family.

Quite a saga for the Filler family as they moved >from New York City to
North and South Dakota then Texas then Georgia, but emblematic of the
travels of many Jewish families as they sought to set down roots first in
small town America and give their children a better life than that which
they had experienced in Europe.
Ann Rabinowitz

annrab@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fw: Where in Russia was Ida MANOWITZ born? #ukraine

Pat Hamilton
 

Please help my family research by trying to read the name given by her husband Nathan CHORNEY in 1920 in Philadelphia, PA, USA when he applied for naturalisation.

I have posted the relevant section of this document to Viewmate. Number 25259.

Is it possible to look at marriage licenses, such as theirs? Might it give additional information?

Nathan CHORNEY was the brother of my grandfather Lionel BLACK. They were sons of Tsal Tcherny (>from Lionel's name - Levi-Itzkhok Tsalevich TCHERNY) and born in Belaya Tserkov in Kiev Gubernia.

Nathan reached USA on the 'Amerika' in 1913, via Hamburg, aged 19 (b 1893) but I cannot read what he gave as his father's name, so will post that too, but it does not look like Tsal or Saul.

In 1947 when Nathan Chorney applied for a US Social Security number he gave his parents' names as Charles Chorney and Esther BRODY.

He named his daughter Esther in 1931 - did he know (or assume) that his mother was dead? We have no proof that his mother was an Esther BRODY. (She would be my great-grandmother). Where was she from?
Lionel was much older, born 1885 - so were there siblings in between? Lionel came to London, England in 1912 with wife and two sons.


They each translated their surname in different ways: Nathan CHORNEY in USA, and Lionel BLACK in London, England.

Although these brothers did not give the same name for their father on the few documents we can find - they did both say they came >from the same town, now in Ukraine.

I really would like to know who their parents were, when married, and how many children they had. Any help would be much appreciated.

Pat Hamilton (Black)

CHORNY, Belaya Tserkov;   DIVINSKY Vasil'kov,  MANOWITZ, ?  Russsia,

 LANDESBERG m GINSBURG, Minsk

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The direct url is
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Records from AGAD archives (Fond 300) #ukraine

Israel P
 

I have begun preparing a list of records that I plan to order >from the
AGAD archives.

If you wish to join this order please contact me, after making sure that
the records you want appear in JRI-Poland in the AGAD archives, fond 300.

This order will probably go out during the first days of January.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Records from AGAD archives (Fond 300) #ukraine

Israel P
 

I have begun preparing a list of records that I plan to order >from the
AGAD archives.

If you wish to join this order please contact me, after making sure that
the records you want appear in JRI-Poland in the AGAD archives, fond 300.

This order will probably go out during the first days of January.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem


thanks for all map query responses #general

Judi Wagner
 

Thank you to everyone that responded to my query on dropping pins for
locations on a map

Isn't JewishGen wonderful?

Judi Wagner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen thanks for all map query responses #general

Judi Wagner
 

Thank you to everyone that responded to my query on dropping pins for
locations on a map

Isn't JewishGen wonderful?

Judi Wagner


Understanding Podriadchik (Contractor) Certification In Imperial Russia #general

William Saslow
 

My Great Grandfather was a podriadchik in Uman, Ukraine in the late 19th
century and early 20th century. I understand that this permitted him, as a
butcher, to sell meat and produce to the Russian Army which was very
profitable. What's unclear to me is whether getting this certificate to be
a contractor was merit based, inherited, or paid for. I'm also interested
in knowing what the rules were for contractors and the responsibilities and
status it implied. Any information would be helpful.

Thanks,
William Saslow
Narragansett, Rhode Island, USA
Zaslavsky, Saslove, Saslow, Resnick, Pohl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Understanding Podriadchik (Contractor) Certification In Imperial Russia #general

William Saslow
 

My Great Grandfather was a podriadchik in Uman, Ukraine in the late 19th
century and early 20th century. I understand that this permitted him, as a
butcher, to sell meat and produce to the Russian Army which was very
profitable. What's unclear to me is whether getting this certificate to be
a contractor was merit based, inherited, or paid for. I'm also interested
in knowing what the rules were for contractors and the responsibilities and
status it implied. Any information would be helpful.

Thanks,
William Saslow
Narragansett, Rhode Island, USA
Zaslavsky, Saslove, Saslow, Resnick, Pohl


Re: Dorf #general

Eva Lawrence
 

My feeling is that the difference between Dorf and, say, Kleinstadt, or
Staedtle (it's called that in the South German dialect, with which I'm
familiar, and probably other areas too) was mainly in the type of
livelihood of the inhabitants, at least in Germany. Since a lot of Poland
was German-speaking for many years, that might well have been the case
there, too. A Dorf would be a rural village -the majority of the people
would work on the land. A Kleinstadt might have some industry, but would
also tend to be larger in size.
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Dorf #general

Eva Lawrence
 

My feeling is that the difference between Dorf and, say, Kleinstadt, or
Staedtle (it's called that in the South German dialect, with which I'm
familiar, and probably other areas too) was mainly in the type of
livelihood of the inhabitants, at least in Germany. Since a lot of Poland
was German-speaking for many years, that might well have been the case
there, too. A Dorf would be a rural village -the majority of the people
would work on the land. A Kleinstadt might have some industry, but would
also tend to be larger in size.
Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


making a map with pins for ancestors #general

Martha Forsyth
 

Judi Wagner asked:
Is there a way to make a map and put in pins with names and coordinates
for all the places and family names that our ancestors lived in?
It is a great way to see how all the families involved lived and moved
within a certain area across lines that changed as countries and names
changed
Anyone have any experience with this?
I've done this using Google Maps. It's a bit tedious to learn their
system, but you can mark the places you want, put in the information
about them that you want, organize (or reorganize as it grows) the list
of places where you usually see "directions", choose the shape and color
of your "pins" (e.g., different colors for different branches of the
family), etc.

Actually, come to think of it, Google Earth will let you do that too -
in a slightly different way. Judi, if you want to see my Philadelphia
map, contact me privately and I'll send you the link.

Best, Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen making a map with pins for ancestors #general

Martha Forsyth
 

Judi Wagner asked:
Is there a way to make a map and put in pins with names and coordinates
for all the places and family names that our ancestors lived in?
It is a great way to see how all the families involved lived and moved
within a certain area across lines that changed as countries and names
changed
Anyone have any experience with this?
I've done this using Google Maps. It's a bit tedious to learn their
system, but you can mark the places you want, put in the information
about them that you want, organize (or reorganize as it grows) the list
of places where you usually see "directions", choose the shape and color
of your "pins" (e.g., different colors for different branches of the
family), etc.

Actually, come to think of it, Google Earth will let you do that too -
in a slightly different way. Judi, if you want to see my Philadelphia
map, contact me privately and I'll send you the link.

Best, Martha Forsyth
Newton, MA


Re: Naujadvaris- other names #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

loren greenberg wrote on 17 dec 2012 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I would appreciate your input.
I am looking for a town named Naujadvaris ( Lithuania / Poland /
Belarus). Is this town also called Novyy Dvor?
If so, is it located in Lida, Vilna Gub. ?
JewishGen Gazetteer, the Stetlseeker, shows:

Gervenai, Naudvarys, Novyy Dvor
populated place
55°06' N 23°18' E
Lithuania
85.1 miles WNW of Vilnius 54°41' N 25°19' E

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naujadvaris- other names #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

loren greenberg wrote on 17 dec 2012 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I would appreciate your input.
I am looking for a town named Naujadvaris ( Lithuania / Poland /
Belarus). Is this town also called Novyy Dvor?
If so, is it located in Lida, Vilna Gub. ?
JewishGen Gazetteer, the Stetlseeker, shows:

Gervenai, Naudvarys, Novyy Dvor
populated place
55°06' N 23°18' E
Lithuania
85.1 miles WNW of Vilnius 54°41' N 25°19' E

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


Re: Need Suggestions Regarding Finding Records for a Newly Found Fall River, MA Family #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Linda Silverman Shefler wrote: < I was surprised to find both birth and
death records for an unnamed male NULMAN and for Schmoel NULMAN. It appears
they were twins, born 26 Jun 1912. The unnamed twin died the same day. These
twins were the babies of John and Rose (nee SAVITSKY) NULMAN of Fall River.
I was rather floored as I'd never heard of either John or Rose before. I
went looking for additional records for them on Ancestry and only found the
1940 census. Rose (1885) was a widow living with three sons: William
(1913), Benjamin (1915) and Morris (1917). They were still living in Fall
River in 1940. For the life of me I cannot find any additional records for
any of them! >

Ancestry wildcard searches turned up several Rose NULMAN listings in Fall
River MA city directories but none could have been Rose NULMAN 55 widow at
26 Plain Fall River with sons William 27, Benny 25 and Morris 23 in the 1940
census and the family was not found in earlier censuses.

One final idea solved the mystery!

Family Search Fall River MA birth records list twins "stillborn" and Schmoel
NULMAN born June 26, 1912 to parents John (occupation grocer) and Rose
SAVITSKY, both born Russia, residence 132 Flint.

An Ancestry U.S. City Directories search
< http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2469 > for John (no surname),
lived in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts (exact), any event 1912 (exact),
keyword 132 Flint (exact) listed one result in The Fall River [1912]
Directory on page 437 - NEWMAN John C grocer 127 Plain h 132 Flint.

In the 1920 census, John NEWMAN 49 (clerk-grocery store) and wife Rose 45
both born Russia with children Samuel 15 Annie 12 born Russia and William 7,
Benjamin 5 and Maurice 2 born Massachusetts lived at 26 Plane Street. In the
1930 census, John 53 (storekeeper-grocery), Rosa 50 both born Russia and
children William 17, Frank 15 and Morris 12 born Massachusetts lived at the
same address, also where widow Rose lived in 1940.

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need Suggestions Regarding Finding Records for a Newly Found Fall River, MA Family #general

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>
 

Linda Silverman Shefler wrote: < I was surprised to find both birth and
death records for an unnamed male NULMAN and for Schmoel NULMAN. It appears
they were twins, born 26 Jun 1912. The unnamed twin died the same day. These
twins were the babies of John and Rose (nee SAVITSKY) NULMAN of Fall River.
I was rather floored as I'd never heard of either John or Rose before. I
went looking for additional records for them on Ancestry and only found the
1940 census. Rose (1885) was a widow living with three sons: William
(1913), Benjamin (1915) and Morris (1917). They were still living in Fall
River in 1940. For the life of me I cannot find any additional records for
any of them! >

Ancestry wildcard searches turned up several Rose NULMAN listings in Fall
River MA city directories but none could have been Rose NULMAN 55 widow at
26 Plain Fall River with sons William 27, Benny 25 and Morris 23 in the 1940
census and the family was not found in earlier censuses.

One final idea solved the mystery!

Family Search Fall River MA birth records list twins "stillborn" and Schmoel
NULMAN born June 26, 1912 to parents John (occupation grocer) and Rose
SAVITSKY, both born Russia, residence 132 Flint.

An Ancestry U.S. City Directories search
< http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2469 > for John (no surname),
lived in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts (exact), any event 1912 (exact),
keyword 132 Flint (exact) listed one result in The Fall River [1912]
Directory on page 437 - NEWMAN John C grocer 127 Plain h 132 Flint.

In the 1920 census, John NEWMAN 49 (clerk-grocery store) and wife Rose 45
both born Russia with children Samuel 15 Annie 12 born Russia and William 7,
Benjamin 5 and Maurice 2 born Massachusetts lived at 26 Plane Street. In the
1930 census, John 53 (storekeeper-grocery), Rosa 50 both born Russia and
children William 17, Frank 15 and Morris 12 born Massachusetts lived at the
same address, also where widow Rose lived in 1940.

Bette Stoop Mas
USA


Re: DjVu Browser Plug-in #lithuania

Hank Mishkoff
 

Thanks to all of you who wrote to reassure me that the DjVu Browser
Plug-in was safe. It downloaded painlessly, and it appears to work
just fine.

Thanks again.

Hank Mishkoff

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: DjVu Browser Plug-in #lithuania

Hank Mishkoff
 

Thanks to all of you who wrote to reassure me that the DjVu Browser
Plug-in was safe. It downloaded painlessly, and it appears to work
just fine.

Thanks again.

Hank Mishkoff

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is ended.