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GOLDSZMIDT -- Induza Z Grodz, Poland #general

NORMAN FUHRER
 

We are researching the family of Dawid GOLDSZMIDT. Dawid was born in Induza
Z Grodz, Poland, on August 8, 1893. We do not know the current name of the
town in which he was born, nor do we know the names of his parents. We have
learned that he might have been related to a family with the surname,
GROGINSKY.

Dawid GOLDSZMIDT arrived in Boston, MA on 17 Mar 1921, aboard the Gdansk.
It had departed >from Danzig, Germany.

We would appreciate any help you can give us.

Norm and Jean Fuhrer
Titusville, Florida, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDSZMIDT -- Induza Z Grodz, Poland #general

NORMAN FUHRER
 

We are researching the family of Dawid GOLDSZMIDT. Dawid was born in Induza
Z Grodz, Poland, on August 8, 1893. We do not know the current name of the
town in which he was born, nor do we know the names of his parents. We have
learned that he might have been related to a family with the surname,
GROGINSKY.

Dawid GOLDSZMIDT arrived in Boston, MA on 17 Mar 1921, aboard the Gdansk.
It had departed >from Danzig, Germany.

We would appreciate any help you can give us.

Norm and Jean Fuhrer
Titusville, Florida, USA


IGRA new article on WWI and Its Aftermath in Ivanik and Pinsk, by Ellen Stepak #general

Carol Hoffman
 

Ellen Stepak has researched the history of her family in Ivanik and
Pinsk between the two world wars. She present a keen look at the
political events and implications during this time. Read WWI and Its
Aftermath in Ivanik and Pinsk at

http://genealogy.org.il/2014/08/31/wwi-aftermath-ivanik-pinsk-ellen-stepak/

for details.

Carol Hoffman, Secretary
Israel Research Genealogy Association (IGRA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IGRA new article on WWI and Its Aftermath in Ivanik and Pinsk, by Ellen Stepak #general

Carol Hoffman
 

Ellen Stepak has researched the history of her family in Ivanik and
Pinsk between the two world wars. She present a keen look at the
political events and implications during this time. Read WWI and Its
Aftermath in Ivanik and Pinsk at

http://genealogy.org.il/2014/08/31/wwi-aftermath-ivanik-pinsk-ellen-stepak/

for details.

Carol Hoffman, Secretary
Israel Research Genealogy Association (IGRA)


finding relatives in Israel #general

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Hi Friends,
Shortly after I got 'into" genealogy I found out that great
grandmother's brother, Josef "Jost" SCHWARZ and my great
grandfather's sister, Julia "Julchen" HUMBERG were married.
Since their descendants would be my double cousins, I tried
to follow the line to the present. Jost and Julia died well
before the Holocaust. Several of their children died in the
Holocaust. And some of their children died in the Holocaust
as well. The rest of the children seem to have settled in
Israel.

Julia and Jost's children would have all passed by now. But I
am wondering how I would find their descendants. Ancestry.com
does not seem to have Israeli records.

I am looking for descendants of :
Helene SCHWARZ who married someone named NOSS. They had a son
named Richard Jehuda NOSSBAUM born in 1923.

Siegfried SCHWARZ who died in Haifa in 1957.

Johanna SCHWARZ who died in Munich in 1970.

Sophie SCHWARZ who married Fritz COHN . She died in Tel Aviv in
1968. Their children are Ilse COHN who married Israel NIR in
1951 in Ramat-Gan, Israel. and Ursula COHN ERLBAUM who married
Berend ERLBAUM in 1946.
Their children are Iris ERLBAUM born 1949, maybe in
New York City. and David Mark ERLBAUM (1952-1975) died in San
Francisco.

Does anyone have any knowledge of any of these people or hints
how to find info >from Israel.

I will be traveling to a family reunion but thought I'd send
this out there while I'm thinking about it. Someone who I met
on ancestry.com just sent me some photos of the graves of Julia
and Josef "Jost" >from Raesfeld and it started me thinking again.

Best wishes,
Lin Herz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen finding relatives in Israel #general

Lin <lin2@...>
 

Hi Friends,
Shortly after I got 'into" genealogy I found out that great
grandmother's brother, Josef "Jost" SCHWARZ and my great
grandfather's sister, Julia "Julchen" HUMBERG were married.
Since their descendants would be my double cousins, I tried
to follow the line to the present. Jost and Julia died well
before the Holocaust. Several of their children died in the
Holocaust. And some of their children died in the Holocaust
as well. The rest of the children seem to have settled in
Israel.

Julia and Jost's children would have all passed by now. But I
am wondering how I would find their descendants. Ancestry.com
does not seem to have Israeli records.

I am looking for descendants of :
Helene SCHWARZ who married someone named NOSS. They had a son
named Richard Jehuda NOSSBAUM born in 1923.

Siegfried SCHWARZ who died in Haifa in 1957.

Johanna SCHWARZ who died in Munich in 1970.

Sophie SCHWARZ who married Fritz COHN . She died in Tel Aviv in
1968. Their children are Ilse COHN who married Israel NIR in
1951 in Ramat-Gan, Israel. and Ursula COHN ERLBAUM who married
Berend ERLBAUM in 1946.
Their children are Iris ERLBAUM born 1949, maybe in
New York City. and David Mark ERLBAUM (1952-1975) died in San
Francisco.

Does anyone have any knowledge of any of these people or hints
how to find info >from Israel.

I will be traveling to a family reunion but thought I'd send
this out there while I'm thinking about it. Someone who I met
on ancestry.com just sent me some photos of the graves of Julia
and Josef "Jost" >from Raesfeld and it started me thinking again.

Best wishes,
Lin Herz


Alexander Granach, actor, aka Jessaja Gronoch from Werbowitz, Galicia - Viewmate I.D. #galicia

Pamela Weisberger
 

I've uploaded a photograph to Viewmate of a group of actors circa
1930s to see if the people in the picture can be identified.

It is at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35333 >

In the center of the photo is the actor, Alexander Granach, who was
born Jessaja Szajko Gronoch in Werbowitz (Wierzbowce/ Werbiwci),
Eastern Galicia, near Horodenka in 1890. His life story echos the title of
one of his books, ">from the Shtetl to the Stage: The Odyssey of a
Wandering Actor."

Being part of a large (poor) family, as a teenager he ran away >from home
and apprenticed as a baker, moving >from town to town. Ending up in
Lemberg (Lwow), he saw his first play which inspired him to become an
actor. By the age of 16 he was in Berlin, then London and Vienna, both
acting in Yiddish theatre (where he acquired his stage name) and being
a practicing anarchist. He fled to the Soviet Union when Hitler came to
power and when that country proved inhospitable, he settled in
Hollywood, where he appeared in such films as the Ernst Lubitch classic,
"Ninotchka," and "For Whom the Bell Tolls." (He also convincingly played
both Nazis and loyal anti-fascists.) He died in 1945 in New York. (If you
are curious about his life, check out the Wikipedia page and his books,
still available for sale.)

This photo is of him with his actor's troupe, possibly taken in Kolomea
(the word "Kolomea" is on it) in 1934. Some of their names are written
on the photograph in English and Hebrew and we'd like to identify who
they were, their fates, and to locate their descendants, on behalf of
Angelika Wittlich, one of the producers of the film: "Granach: >from
Shtetl to Stage," which was shown at the 2014 IAJGS Conference. (His
son, Gad Granach, immigrated to British Mandate of Palestine in 1936
and published a memoir entitled "Where is Home? Stories >from the Life
of a German-Jewish Emigre." ) Although identified as a "German actor,"
Alexansder Granach was born a Galitzianer!)

The names in English on the page (with best attempts to decipher the
handwriting) are:

Gisala Herman
Tonka
Jakob Eisner
Rosa Kretz
Eibely__
Zimmedferton Zimmer
Aron Fetcher

The men and woman appear to be in their 20s - 50s. If you know any
of the names or recognize the faces, please contact me privately.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Alexander Granach, actor, aka Jessaja Gronoch from Werbowitz, Galicia - Viewmate I.D. #galicia

Pamela Weisberger
 

I've uploaded a photograph to Viewmate of a group of actors circa
1930s to see if the people in the picture can be identified.

It is at:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM35333 >

In the center of the photo is the actor, Alexander Granach, who was
born Jessaja Szajko Gronoch in Werbowitz (Wierzbowce/ Werbiwci),
Eastern Galicia, near Horodenka in 1890. His life story echos the title of
one of his books, ">from the Shtetl to the Stage: The Odyssey of a
Wandering Actor."

Being part of a large (poor) family, as a teenager he ran away >from home
and apprenticed as a baker, moving >from town to town. Ending up in
Lemberg (Lwow), he saw his first play which inspired him to become an
actor. By the age of 16 he was in Berlin, then London and Vienna, both
acting in Yiddish theatre (where he acquired his stage name) and being
a practicing anarchist. He fled to the Soviet Union when Hitler came to
power and when that country proved inhospitable, he settled in
Hollywood, where he appeared in such films as the Ernst Lubitch classic,
"Ninotchka," and "For Whom the Bell Tolls." (He also convincingly played
both Nazis and loyal anti-fascists.) He died in 1945 in New York. (If you
are curious about his life, check out the Wikipedia page and his books,
still available for sale.)

This photo is of him with his actor's troupe, possibly taken in Kolomea
(the word "Kolomea" is on it) in 1934. Some of their names are written
on the photograph in English and Hebrew and we'd like to identify who
they were, their fates, and to locate their descendants, on behalf of
Angelika Wittlich, one of the producers of the film: "Granach: >from
Shtetl to Stage," which was shown at the 2014 IAJGS Conference. (His
son, Gad Granach, immigrated to British Mandate of Palestine in 1936
and published a memoir entitled "Where is Home? Stories >from the Life
of a German-Jewish Emigre." ) Although identified as a "German actor,"
Alexansder Granach was born a Galitzianer!)

The names in English on the page (with best attempts to decipher the
handwriting) are:

Gisala Herman
Tonka
Jakob Eisner
Rosa Kretz
Eibely__
Zimmedferton Zimmer
Aron Fetcher

The men and woman appear to be in their 20s - 50s. If you know any
of the names or recognize the faces, please contact me privately.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@gmail.com


Searching for FRIEDMAN fm Nagytarna #hungary

Stuart Kaufer
 

My cousin Ida Friedman >from Nagytarna (then Hungary, now Tarna Mare
Romania) survived camps and was liberated >from Bergen
Belsen. She was daughter of my uncle David Friedmann also >from same
town who perished in camps. In 1949, she sent a letter to my
maternal GF, Samuel Stein in Chicago. He was >from Kiralyhaza & was
married to my maternal GM Rose Friedmann. they both came to US in
early 20th C. Kiralyhaza and Nagytarna were 8 km >from each other. Now
they are in different countries, Ukraine and Romania. No one has
heard of Ida's whereabouts since. Altho David died in Auschwitz, he
had grandchildren who survived and whose names I do not know. My GM
Rosa was the youngest of four, she had a sister Shaindel, brother
Shmuel, and brother Yossel. Only Roza came to US.

Roza Friedman had a brother named Samuel Klein also >from Nagytarna.
He had a daughter Perl Klein who married Herman Katz
and moved to Munkacs after the War. They had 3 children, lived 26
Shevchenko St in Mukahevo. I was in touch w them in mid 60's and then
lost touch. They seem to have emigrated to Israel. One of their sons
died in 1965. Their oldest son was Friedrich and his was 19 in 1965
Younest son was Evgeni. Perl Klein Katz had a brother Moishe who
lived in Israel, address was <snip> Askolom Israel. He is
likely gone >from old age but he had children.

I am getting old and wondering if any family members still alive can
anyone help? Thank you.

Stuart Kaufer

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for FRIEDMAN fm Nagytarna #hungary

Stuart Kaufer
 

My cousin Ida Friedman >from Nagytarna (then Hungary, now Tarna Mare
Romania) survived camps and was liberated >from Bergen
Belsen. She was daughter of my uncle David Friedmann also >from same
town who perished in camps. In 1949, she sent a letter to my
maternal GF, Samuel Stein in Chicago. He was >from Kiralyhaza & was
married to my maternal GM Rose Friedmann. they both came to US in
early 20th C. Kiralyhaza and Nagytarna were 8 km >from each other. Now
they are in different countries, Ukraine and Romania. No one has
heard of Ida's whereabouts since. Altho David died in Auschwitz, he
had grandchildren who survived and whose names I do not know. My GM
Rosa was the youngest of four, she had a sister Shaindel, brother
Shmuel, and brother Yossel. Only Roza came to US.

Roza Friedman had a brother named Samuel Klein also >from Nagytarna.
He had a daughter Perl Klein who married Herman Katz
and moved to Munkacs after the War. They had 3 children, lived 26
Shevchenko St in Mukahevo. I was in touch w them in mid 60's and then
lost touch. They seem to have emigrated to Israel. One of their sons
died in 1965. Their oldest son was Friedrich and his was 19 in 1965
Younest son was Evgeni. Perl Klein Katz had a brother Moishe who
lived in Israel, address was <snip> Askolom Israel. He is
likely gone >from old age but he had children.

I am getting old and wondering if any family members still alive can
anyone help? Thank you.

Stuart Kaufer

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a substantive subject line, such as the one the moderator has added. Also, please do
not include private street addresses or phone numbers in messages.


Dr Herzl Verien #hungary

Stuart Kaufer
 

Does anyone have any information about this group. This is one of
many small cemeteries at
Waldheim in Chicago. No one seems to know where the records of this
group disappeared to.

My maternal grandparents and other Stein family members are buried there.

thanks

stuartkaufer@gmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary Dr Herzl Verien #hungary

Stuart Kaufer
 

Does anyone have any information about this group. This is one of
many small cemeteries at
Waldheim in Chicago. No one seems to know where the records of this
group disappeared to.

My maternal grandparents and other Stein family members are buried there.

thanks

stuartkaufer@gmail.com


Revision list dates #lithuania

David W. Perle
 

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Revision list dates #lithuania

David W. Perle
 

Matthew Rosenberg posted about revision list entries for his family which
predate when [he believes that] they were born, wondering about errors
in transcription.

While possible, I think that it's more likely that the believed dates
of their birth are probably wrong. I've also come across this sort of
thing, a great-grandfather of mine in particular. A few U.S. records
after he immigrated here consistently provide his age/year of birth
in Lithuania, but then I found two or three Lithuanian revision lists
showing him as having been something like 5 years older!

Explanations for why people become "younger" after immigrating vary.
One is that people just didn't always actually know their ages or dates
of birth, so they guessed that bit when they immigrated to a place like
the U.S. where that's a bureaucratic stat that's asked of them. Another
explanation is that women in particular--especially Lithuanian--were
very vain about age and kept their ages lower, and their husbands did
the same just so that they wouldn't "be" so much older than their wives!

I've concluded that my great-grandfather was *probably* a few years older
than his family ever knew. In the end...who knows!

David Perle
Washington, DC


Re: WORTMAN #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org (Isabel Cymerman Isabelcym@aol.com) wrote on
30 aug 2014 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Does anyone know a Sandra Lilly WORTMAN? I have a photo of her but don't
know how we are connected.
I suppose you mean "know" in the genealogical sense.
Even so you could show it to us with Jewishgen Viewmate.
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/>
Is there a photographer stamp on the picture?

You should give us more information, Isabel,
like why you think you are connected at all.

Next to date and place,
even if just which century and which continent,
you should give some data about your own tree.

Perhaps this is just her married name, so we should search for a different
birth family name altogether, and would have to know some of those in your
tree.

Even LDS familysearch
<https://familysearch.org/search/>
gives "2,251 results for Name: Sandra Lilly WORTMAN,
in Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File"

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: WORTMAN #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org (Isabel Cymerman Isabelcym@aol.com) wrote on
30 aug 2014 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Does anyone know a Sandra Lilly WORTMAN? I have a photo of her but don't
know how we are connected.
I suppose you mean "know" in the genealogical sense.
Even so you could show it to us with Jewishgen Viewmate.
<http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/>
Is there a photographer stamp on the picture?

You should give us more information, Isabel,
like why you think you are connected at all.

Next to date and place,
even if just which century and which continent,
you should give some data about your own tree.

Perhaps this is just her married name, so we should search for a different
birth family name altogether, and would have to know some of those in your
tree.

Even LDS familysearch
<https://familysearch.org/search/>
gives "2,251 results for Name: Sandra Lilly WORTMAN,
in Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File"

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
exjxwxhannivoortATinterxnlxnet
(Please change the x'es to dots)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


Re: Help with my great-grandmother #ukraine

Israel P
 

Karen, when you ask "is it possible" in genealogy, the answer is
almost always "yes," particularly regarding names.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem
allmyforeparents.blogspot.com

On 30 Aug 2014 at 0:04, Ukraine SIG digest wrote:

My great-grandmother died before my Dad was born. She was the second
wife of my great-grandfather. I never knew what her surname was.

I wondering if if my grandfathers middle name might offer a clue. He
was born 12/24/1904 in Nemirov Ukraine(Pale of the settlement) and he,
along with he parents and most siblings came to the US in 1914.

Is it possible his middle name could have been given in honor of his
mother's family?


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Help with my great-grandmother #ukraine

Israel P
 

Karen, when you ask "is it possible" in genealogy, the answer is
almost always "yes," particularly regarding names.

Israel Pickholtz
Jerusalem
allmyforeparents.blogspot.com

On 30 Aug 2014 at 0:04, Ukraine SIG digest wrote:

My great-grandmother died before my Dad was born. She was the second
wife of my great-grandfather. I never knew what her surname was.

I wondering if if my grandfathers middle name might offer a clue. He
was born 12/24/1904 in Nemirov Ukraine(Pale of the settlement) and he,
along with he parents and most siblings came to the US in 1914.

Is it possible his middle name could have been given in honor of his
mother's family?


Re: Help with my great-grandmother #ukraine

Karen Steinfeld
 

Karen Baker wrote:

My great-grandmother died before my Dad was born. She was the second
wife of my great-grandfather. I never knew what her surname was.

I wondering if if my grandfathers middle name might offer a clue. He
was born 12/24/1904 in Nemirov Ukraine(Pale of the settlement) and he,
along with he parents and most siblings came to the US in 1914.

Is it possible his middle name could have been given in honor of his
mother's family?


Yes, this is possible. I have this situation in my family who came >from the
Cherkassy District and settled in Fall River, Massachusetts in the early 18
90s. In this situation the wife's maiden name was DUPLANSKY but was shortened
to TOPAL in the US. The immigrant couple had a son in 1903 in Fall River
and gave him the middle name of Topal.

Karen Steinfeld
Rockville, Maryland

Researching UDITSKY, LESCHINSKY, BRYNES, BREINES, PLOTKE, EPPELBAUM


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Help with my great-grandmother #ukraine

Karen Steinfeld
 

Karen Baker wrote:

My great-grandmother died before my Dad was born. She was the second
wife of my great-grandfather. I never knew what her surname was.

I wondering if if my grandfathers middle name might offer a clue. He
was born 12/24/1904 in Nemirov Ukraine(Pale of the settlement) and he,
along with he parents and most siblings came to the US in 1914.

Is it possible his middle name could have been given in honor of his
mother's family?


Yes, this is possible. I have this situation in my family who came >from the
Cherkassy District and settled in Fall River, Massachusetts in the early 18
90s. In this situation the wife's maiden name was DUPLANSKY but was shortened
to TOPAL in the US. The immigrant couple had a son in 1903 in Fall River
and gave him the middle name of Topal.

Karen Steinfeld
Rockville, Maryland

Researching UDITSKY, LESCHINSKY, BRYNES, BREINES, PLOTKE, EPPELBAUM

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